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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2011, 09:34:29 AM »

That doesn't explain why none of them even flinched. Like, even if you believe you're powerless and whatever the pastor says/does goes, if he does something off the wall that you don't believe is right or you've never seen before, you'll give some sort of reaction whether it's a facial expression, wide eyes, flinching, or a gesture or something. Those guys didn't react at all.... as though this happens all the time. That's odd, to me.

It doesn't happen all the time. This was most likely a crusade or special program. Doesn't excuse it though, but you should note that Africans take issues of witchcraft, especially among children, VERY seriously. From the testimonies I have heard and seen, most witches have been practicing since childhood.

It is really sad, but because of the endemic poverty and lack of education in many African countries, children are the main target of all sorts of evil elements.

Sad, yo! :(

Side note- my mom told us that when my sister and I were born, we were dedicated to the idols my grandfather used to serve. By the time my youngest sister was born, my mom absolutely refused.
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2011, 09:49:36 AM »
That makes sense to you? I'm a which for Jesus?? Huh???

I think so. I'm not claiming to be an expert on Nigerian culture, but I know that their Pidgin doesn't follow normal grammar...and sometimes they use words differently. I don't think that was exactly the case here, but I think she was just trying to be witty. "I am not a witch, but I am a which for Jesus." This makes sense to me, and can understand exactly what it is saying....if that's what she meant. Why else would she insist that she isn't a "witch"?

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2011, 10:39:54 AM »
Or maybe she meant she operates in the supernatural like a witch, but for Jesus.  Not saying it's the best way to say it, but maybe she meant well.  Or maybe she was a witch and wants to convert but bring her witch status with her.  Either way, I think teaching and prayer would've been a better approach than public humiliations.  Of course, I'm not sure Nigerians gauge humiliation like we do here.  The ones I know tend not to embarrass easily, lol.

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2011, 10:56:54 AM »
Or maybe she was a witch and wants to convert but bring her witch status with her.

This is most likely the case.

  Either way, I think teaching and prayer would've been a better approach than public humiliations.  Of course, I'm not sure Nigerians gauge humiliation like we do here.  The ones I know tend not to embarrass easily, lol.

No, they do not embarrass easily. :)

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2011, 11:08:24 AM »
Or maybe she meant she operates in the supernatural like a witch, but for Jesus.  Not saying it's the best way to say it, but maybe she meant well.  Or maybe she was a witch and wants to convert but bring her witch status with her.  Either way, I think teaching and prayer would've been a better approach than public humiliations.  Of course, I'm not sure Nigerians gauge humiliation like we do here.  The ones I know tend not to embarrass easily, lol.

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2011, 11:21:47 AM »
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2011, 12:47:18 PM »
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2011, 05:29:20 PM »
When he {SUHHMACCKKA!!!} her, if there were a real witch spirit in her, it and all it's demonic spirits came out of her and left! "Naw dog.... weez straight! If this the kind of treatment you gone keep gettin' each time you come up in the church, then weez outta here!"

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2011, 06:04:10 PM »
Cosign. All of this.

+2. This is most likely what she meant. off course misguided as Ness has explained. The pastor bishop also thought he was addressing a demon. I would not be too concerned if it was really a demon, because they can manifest themselves physically through humans, so let's not be too emotional here guys :D But I just think in this particular instance, the bishop smacked someone who is just misguided, not possessed.
disclaimer: it's my 1st time seeing someone being smacked in a christian gathering. The only other time was when I tackled [football style from behind] one of the thugs who was stealing mobile phones from the ladys' rooms during an easter conference. thereafter other guys coming behind me smacked the thugs well :D

It doesn't happen all the time. This was most likely a crusade or special program. Doesn't excuse it though, but you should note that Africans take issues of witchcraft, especially among children, VERY seriously. From the testimonies I have heard and seen, most witches have been practicing since childhood.

It is really sad, but because of the endemic poverty and lack of education in many African countries, children are the main target of all sorts of evil elements.

Sad, yo! :(

Side note- my mom told us that when my sister and I were born, we were dedicated to the idols my grandfather used to serve. By the time my youngest sister was born, my mom absolutely refused.

Yeah, i know witchcraft isn't taken lightly in Africa [I'm sure in Asia as well?]

My pastor happens to be from Nigeria, and he is also very careful about witchcraft issues:

-yesteday I was at church and the caretaker had this load of clothes in his room. I asked him where that load is from. He told me that someone dropped it off at the church as a donation. But my pastor wasn't too happy because he doesn't know the people and has not seen them, so he wanted to burn the clothes or leave them by the street-side so that whoever wants them can take them.
It was just interesting for me because I would have dedicated the clothes to God, bring them under the cleansing power of His blood and give them to the needy.
But my pastor doesn't want to see such clothes inside the church.

So there are cultural dynamics in how we deal with everything. I'm sure if the bishop was in the US he wouldn't have slapped the woman, but he could get away with it in Nigeria.
Every now and again, a couple of pastors in India send us pics of their churches- most of the people are barefooted. If you do not understand the culture/ environment, you'd think they're possessed. but it's just an environmental/ cultural issue.
So in most likelihood, you'll find that 3/4 of the people who attended that meeting would be going on about how cool it was when the bishop slapped the "demon", meanwhile the woman is so humiliated and just wants to serve God.

But I got some ideas from that clip...for one day when i'm a bishop ;D
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2011, 06:13:26 PM »
Demons cannot be slapped because spirit beings cannot be physically touched.
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2011, 06:22:56 PM »
You're right. I feel dumb :-[
Anyway, what that bishop did was wrong- full-stop.
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2011, 06:25:45 PM »
Demons cannot be slapped because spirit beings cannot be physically touched.

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2011, 11:53:01 PM »
Demons cannot be slapped because spirit beings cannot be physically touched.

and THERE it is.

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2011, 12:46:41 AM »
Demons cannot be slapped because spirit beings cannot be physically touched.

Ok, just had some thought:

1. Are angels spirit beings as well? [are demons fallen angels? -that's ques. #2]

  -1a. If angels are spirit beings, how did they really sleep with the homos in Sodom & G? There are many other instances where angels seem to have taken a physical form. Can someone who has studied angels [or any believer for that matter] try to explain this to us.

btw, what do they call the study of angels and demons?
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2011, 01:04:16 AM »
Hm, dude did wrestle with an angel all nite.......

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2011, 06:08:55 AM »
I knew someone would mention Jacob, but I didn't think about Sodom and Gommorah. In any case, I am not of the belief that Jacob's case involved a spirit being. I will have to study the S&G story again. 
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2011, 12:14:43 PM »
ah, Rue boogie may have a point, the Writ says wrestle with a MAN. original hebrew doent use the word for "angel" or "messenger"("mal'ak") So, yup, just realised something new. Prolly wasnt an spirit being, at least an angel, as we understand them.

Just read somewhere that there is a line of thought that suggests that the man was himself, as in "wrestle with your spirit". Not putting stock in it, just an interesting look.

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« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2011, 12:28:35 PM »
ah, Rue boogie may have a point, the Writ says wrestle with a MAN. original hebrew doent use the word for "angel" or "messenger"("mal'ak") So, yup, just realised something new. Prolly wasnt an spirit being, at least an angel, as we understand them.

Just read somewhere that there is a line of thought that suggests that the man was himself, as in "wrestle with your spirit". Not putting stock in it, just an interesting look.

Yes, I remember learning about that train of thought as well. But yes, as for your first paragraph, that's exactly what I would contend: it wasn't an angel and it probably wasn't a spirit being either.

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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2011, 01:55:35 PM »
ah, Rue boogie may have a point, the Writ says wrestle with a MAN. original hebrew doent use the word for "angel" or "messenger"("mal'ak") So, yup, just realised something new. Prolly wasnt an spirit being, at least an angel, as we understand them.

Just read somewhere that there is a line of thought that suggests that the man was himself, as in "wrestle with your spirit". Not putting stock in it, just an interesting look.

Yeah, I had Jacob's story in mind as well, but decided to read it again before posting, and my bible did not state it point blank that Jacob wrestled an angel, hence the omission..
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Re: How to handle foul devils....
« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2011, 02:30:19 PM »
Man, Nigerians do NOT take witchcraft and the occult lightly. One of the biggest taboos, even among educated Nigerians, is for anyone to touch their head. I mean folks will go straight nuts if a stranger touches their head.

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