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Offline BMcCluney08

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Seeking Advice
« on: January 26, 2012, 10:54:32 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I new to LGM and I see that you all are very knowledgeable about directing and leading choirs. I'm seeking advice with some problems I'm experiencing in my choir!

I'm in my 5th year of directing a 40 voice Mass Choir and I must say that it has been amazing. I've had some unruly choir members, little or no faith from the administration, and a trouble causing M.O.M.

I've finally, in my opinion, established myself as the choir director. But before I took over, it has been decided that the choir would not have any officers. Lately, the choir has been getting out of hand with no authority figure to maintain the peace. Being the only person with an ounce of authority, I tried to restore order and was resented to the fullest. Saturday is our first rehearsal for the year and I want to set some ground rules and to remind them of the real reason why we're all here. I have also thought about implementing an "Open Door Policy" meaning that the door to leave is always open if they feel that they can't cooperate.

I'm working with a very difficult bunch who would rather fuss over uniforms and anything else irrelevant to ministering.

What am I do to?

All advice will be welcomed with an opened heart and mind.

Thanks,
B

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Re: Seeking Advice
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 10:08:47 PM »
have you talked to your posted...I am also bumping for more responses.  You could post this is in the general section for more responses.

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Re: Seeking Advice
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 12:43:06 PM »
Am seeking advice, too...politics in running a choir is difficult, and I am having a hard time dealing with it - please, LGM, pray...

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Re: Seeking Advice
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 03:10:29 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I new to LGM and I see that you all are very knowledgeable about directing and leading choirs. I'm seeking advice with some problems I'm experiencing in my choir!

I'm in my 5th year of directing a 40 voice Mass Choir and I must say that it has been amazing. I've had some unruly choir members, little or no faith from the administration, and a trouble causing M.O.M.

I've finally, in my opinion, established myself as the choir director. But before I took over, it has been decided that the choir would not have any officers. Lately, the choir has been getting out of hand with no authority figure to maintain the peace. Being the only person with an ounce of authority, I tried to restore order and was resented to the fullest. Saturday is our first rehearsal for the year and I want to set some ground rules and to remind them of the real reason why we're all here. I have also thought about implementing an "Open Door Policy" meaning that the door to leave is always open if they feel that they can't cooperate.

I'm working with a very difficult bunch who would rather fuss over uniforms and anything else irrelevant to ministering.

What am I do to?

All advice will be welcomed with an opened heart and mind.

Thanks,
B

I like your 'Open Door' policy.  If they want to quibble over uniforms, tell them uniforms are out, they can 'come as they are.' *kanyeshrug*

Remind them they are to be ministry-minded or sing from the pews.
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Re: Seeking Advice
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 03:00:16 PM »
paging VTGuy to aisle 3.

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Re: Seeking Advice
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 03:10:01 PM »
shoot some rounds through a hymnal. That'll show em you mean business!  ;)

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Re: Seeking Advice
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 07:02:20 AM »
I'd suggest talking to your pastor, to first ensure that you guys are on the same page regarding the focus and direction of the choir.  In addition, explain your difficulties with him/her.  Perhaps he/she may offer more oversight.

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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 08:25:07 AM »
Talk to the pastor first before making any drastic changes.  Once you have the approval of your pastor, hold an open forum with your choir members and take down all suggestions/comments/frustrations of the group.  Anybody who volunteers their time should definitely be given an opportunity to voice their opinions.  Once that has been done, come up with a strategy and/or vision to implement these suggestions.

(Not to say that you are, but) You will realize that the more conversational you are with a choir during rehearsal, the more responsive they will be.  In the 4 choirs I currently work with, I don't have to come in demanding things.  I come in, teach notes, act up, and go home.  It works.
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Re: Seeking Advice
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 03:53:25 PM »
OK... soooo many things to tackle... I'm not going to type 1,000 words but I have to help you out

The first thing you have to do is set up an general meeting with the Pastor and the choir. Let it be unannounced in fact I would set it up so that the Pastor just happens to come in during rehearsal. Clear the air. HE or SHE needs to say who's in charge and who he supports. HE or SHE needs to say, if you don't like it then join the usher board. HE or SHE needs to restate HIS or HER vision for that choir. They won't nit pick and talk mess with the Pastor. Trust me if your Pastor can't/won't do that for you then you need to move on.

Secondly, Moses couldn't do it all alone so he leaders bear the burden of leadership with him. Choir directors need the same. If you don't have that then you are not a choir director you are a choir dictator. Set up this in advance of the meeting.

Third, you need to document everything that happens after you clear the air. Treat it like a meeting. Have your secretary write down minutes. 7:45 Director begins new song, musician comments that he doesn't like the song and choir members Mike J, Tanya C. and Nikki T all complain also...

That will stop all of that drama. TRUST ME!

Hit me up if you need any additional suggestions.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2012, 08:34:57 AM »
Good stuff sir!
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2012, 12:41:49 PM »
Sometimes when someone posts a question for advice, there are missing aspect that skew how the situation is perceived.  After 20 years of full-time music ministry, I have found that churches have varied histories.  Anything you wish to address must be dealt with separately.  You also have to identify your leaders.  By leaders, I mean those who have influence in the choir.  Rally them on your team, and they will bring the choir along.  If uniforms are an issue, then I would consider finding out why they were implemented and see if a new protocol can be set.  I think sometimes we forget that any disturbances in the choir are usually not related to the matter, but something deeper.  I also don't just jump to the conclusion that "devil" is trying to divide us.  Many times someone(s) feel insignificant or overlooked.  We have to have the wisdom to let them know they are heard and that they matter.  This doesn't mean doing what they want all the time.  It may mean speaking with them or taking them to lunch or something just for fun.  That positive attention often helps them to come back more pleasantly.

I don't like having non-musical discussions during choir rehearsals because it takes away from the purpose of being there, especially as people start all talking.  I encourage you to consider two or three choir fellowships during the year where the next seasons vision is cast, the plan for the next major event, and even talk about issues.  Because people are eating and playing some fun musical games, it's less tense.  I have done this over the years and found it to be the most effective way to hear from my choir without having a "meeting". 
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