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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2012, 01:30:41 PM »
Quote from: LaylaMonroe on February 02, 2012, 08:10:40 AM
...using all sorts of names ('Master' mostly but I'll also say Jesus a lot, Lord, Father, God, King, Holy Ghost, Ruler, Savior).

This is me right here. I mean come on, God knows exactly who we are praying to, so what's the big doggone deal?
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2012, 01:37:18 PM »
Quote from: nessalynn77 on February 02, 2012, 01:28:07 PM
So you already know, then?   Cool.  At first it felt like you were trying to understand, but it appears you are already convinced in your beliefs. Indeed.
It's kind of like the Mormons who believe in Jesus Christ, but also believe he's the brother of Satan.  That's not the same Jesus Christ I believe in, even if they do use the same name.

So who is Lucifer, he was God's most talented musician and a very much loved angel!  Like a son to God, does God hate him?  I think not, he still loves the one we call Satan/Lucifer!  So who are we to hate Lucifer?  The ultimate task is to love the one's that are trying to do you harm!...
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2012, 01:41:45 PM »
Quote from: cas10a on February 02, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
So who is Lucifer, he was God's most talented musician and a very much loved angel!  Like a son to God, does God hate him?  I think not, he still loves the one we call Satan/Lucifer!  So who are we to hate Lucifer?  The ultimate task is to love the one's that are trying to do you harm!...

Hmmm.

You're stretching a little past my comfort zone.


I don't hate Lucifer. He doesn't exist.

I do, however, HATE satan. He is the embodiment of everything God hates, and he is God's arch-enemy. Yeah, I hate him and his mama too.... their whole organization. I hate 'em all.
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2012, 01:42:56 PM »
Quote from: cas10a on February 02, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
So who is Lucifer, he was God's most talented musician and a very much loved angel!  Like a son to God, does God hate him?  I think not, he still loves the one we call Satan/Lucifer!  So who are we to hate Lucifer?  The ultimate task is to love the one's that are trying to do you harm!...
What? I didn't say anything about loving or hating Lucifer.  I never even addressed that.  Where did you get that? 

But since you brought it up, you're saying we're supposed to love the devil?  How?  I mean love would mean you wish the best for him, and want to help him be all he can be.  He can't be saved, and can't be anything but evil.   So no, I don't love him.  No where in the bible does it tell us to love satan.  We are supposed to dismiss everything Satan brings to us, we should not engage him, or pay any attention to him.  He is our adversary, bent on destroying our souls.  Ain't no love there.

The bible tells us to love our enemies, but it's based on the fact that we are not wrestling against flesh and blood, we are fighting against an enemy that is NOT people.  That enemy IS the devil and all of his spiritual forces.
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2012, 01:44:58 PM »
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2012, 01:45:05 PM »
Quote from: nessalynn77 on February 02, 2012, 01:42:56 PM
What? I didn't say anything about loving or hating Lucifer.  I never even addressed that.  Where did you get that? 

But since you brought it up, you're saying we're supposed to love the devil?  How?  I mean love would mean you wish the best for him, and want to help him be all he can be.  He can't be saved, and can't be anything but evil.   So no, I don't love him.  No where in the bible does it tell us to love satan.  We are supposed to dismiss everything Satan brings to us, we should not engage him, or pay any attention to him.  He is our adversary, bent on destroying our souls.  Ain't no love there.

The bible tells us to love our enemies, but it's based on the fact that we are not wrestling against flesh and blood, we are fighting against an enemy that is NOT people.  That enemy IS the devil and all of his spiritual forces.

BOOM!!!
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Re: Who do you pray to?
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2012, 01:53:48 PM »
*just thought I'd point out, I would prefer if this thread were called "To whom do you pray?"



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Re: Who do you pray to?
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2012, 02:05:38 PM »
Quote from: cas10a on February 02, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
So who is Lucifer, he was God's most talented musician and a very much loved angel!  Like a son to God, does God hate him?  I think not, he still loves the one we call Satan/Lucifer!  So who are we to hate Lucifer?  The ultimate task is to love the one's that are trying to do you harm!...

Yes God hates Satan, because God hates sin.  Satan is sin and will never change from that.  There is nothing godly about Satan, not one thing.   
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2012, 02:11:03 PM »
Hate never turns it around, only love does!  I pray to God in Jesus name, it's that simple.  I pray to Jesus, in God's name or whatever name I use for God's name/Allah if I so choose.  I'm not trying to sway anyone here is there are many issues that a few people hove issues on definately..Anyway I'm not going to go there, Reddgirl, Nessalyn, Laylamoore, T, TJ, U13, & definately SJ, Lordluvr, Fenix...lol, wow it's so many more, I can go on, I appreciate it everyone, you all are truly my fam!  Bagget Cindy...you know we USAF always... 
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2012, 02:13:54 PM »
Let me grab all of you back,  God is a God of Love and Mercy, so what are you talking about???? 
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2012, 02:15:52 PM »
Boom What???  You didn't get me, because it's not about me?
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2012, 02:26:04 PM »
Quote from: nessalynn77 on February 02, 2012, 01:42:56 PM
What? I didn't say anything about loving or hating Lucifer.  I never even addressed that.  Where did you get that? 

But since you brought it up, you're saying we're supposed to love the devil?  How?  I mean love would mean you wish the best for him, and want to help him be all he can be.  He can't be saved, and can't be anything but evil.   So no, I don't love him.  No where in the bible does it tell us to love satan.  We are supposed to dismiss everything Satan brings to us, we should not engage him, or pay any attention to him.  He is our adversary, bent on destroying our souls.  Ain't no love there.

The bible tells us to love our enemies, but it's based on the fact that we are not wrestling against flesh and blood, we are fighting against an enemy that is NOT people.  That enemy IS the devil and all of his spiritual forces.

I was not addressing my comment solely to you Nessa, I got your point! for real!... I have to go to work now, but I bet God believes and God knows Lucifer can be saved again, just like he knew the prodical son could be saved!  He is God!!!
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2012, 02:34:02 PM »
Fascinating!

Anyways I want to speak to the Oneness V Trinitarian views. I don't see any inherent conflict between them. Maybe I haven't studied it deeply enough, but I don't see Oneness as being heretical. Oneness seems to imply, to me, that there is ONE being...ONE. This being is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost at the same time.

So what is the problem with that?  ?/?
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2012, 02:35:18 PM »
The devil has "NO" power over you at all, you know God and talk to God.  God wants you to do what makes you productive and happy, satan has no power unless you let him have power in your life!...Stop blaming it on lucifer, God's favorite Angel, he knows you are thinking like him and guess what?  God gave us the "will" to think like him?  I'm sick of excuses, it's on you!
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2012, 02:41:55 PM »
Nessalyn, you remind me of my mom so much I don't know how to say some things, but I don't agree with everything you say. just think about my post, you dont have too agree!
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2012, 03:16:52 PM »
No sir.  I don't agree that the devil can be saved.  The bible confirms his everlasting destiny. 

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:41

He has an eternal reservation.  If he had any hope of redemption he would change and avoid the torment coming his way.  But since he is going, that is why he is on a mission to take all with him who will fall to his deceit.  Which is why hell hath enlarged herself. 
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2012, 03:28:47 PM »
Wait, Cas10a, you do realize that Lucifer and satan are not interchangeable beings, right? Lucifer was an angel who fell. satan is the devil. satan is NOT the angel that God loved and placed over the music ministry.
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Re: Who do you pray to?
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2012, 03:50:51 PM »
Quote from: LaylaMonroe on February 02, 2012, 03:28:47 PM
Wait, Cas10a, you do realize that Lucifer and satan are not interchangeable beings, right? Lucifer was an angel who fell. satan is the devil. satan is NOT the angel that God loved and placed over the music ministry.
Who did he place over the music ministry in heaven? lol
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