thin is "in"

[docjohn]

Kind of a split off from SBass thread:

With all the emphasis on thin-could that be part of the whole new world order plan?Besides the whole "flesh " worship(lean and mean) -it seems like there's a literal obsession with dropping pounds.Obsession is not usually a GOD-thing.

There's some obvious health risks if you bump the scales @600lbs,but skinny people get sick and die too.A little bit of "junk and the trunk" actually gives you a reserve to draw from if you're sick.A friend of mine has been close to dying from blood clots 3 times in the last 4 years-from eating too many veggies.He may have a genetic disposition that too much vit K from green leafys increases his clot factor to dangerous levels.

Many of the "die-t " plans use too much soy-which adversely effects the thyroid and may create some health issues down the road.

If you want to get real paranoia;consider it is easier to subjugate starving folks easily.

[LaylaMonroe]

I don't know why this is so complicated. It's really simple. Eat right and exercise. *shrug*

That applies to thin people, thick people, obese people and morbidly obese people. Yes, there are size 16 people who are healthier than some size 4 people. But this should never be used to comfort an overweight person. Neither should a size 4 person look at a size 16 person and take comfort because they're not overweight. You can be unhealthy at any weight. I had a vitamin deficiency that almost took me up out of here, not to mention other ailments that affected my quality of life... all because I wasn't eating right. Anybody of any weight can be unhealthy. Period. Just eat right and exercise.

[Arkhams Finest]

Kind of a split off from SBass thread:

With all the emphasis on thin-could that be part of the whole new world order plan?Besides the whole "flesh " worship(lean and mean) -it seems like there's a literal obsession with dropping pounds.Obsession is not usually a GOD-thing.

There's some obvious health risks if you bump the scales @600lbs,but skinny people get sick and die too.  A little bit of "junk and the trunk" actually gives you a reserve to draw from if you're sick.A friend of mine has been close to dying from blood clots 3 times in the last 4 years-from eating too many veggies.He may have a genetic disposition that too much vit K from green leafys increases his clot factor to dangerous levels.

Many of the "die-t " plans use too much soy-which adversely effects the thyroid and may create some health issues down the road.

If you want to get real paranoia;consider it is easier to subjugate starving folks easily.

[tangential rant]

I've heard 'you can be thin and unhealthy' comments before and I always smh.  Not that it's untrue...just that I often hear non-thin people use it as an excuse to remain...non-thin.   

First of all 'thin' can be interpreted in more than one way. 

It can refer to a 160lb man who has very little fat but exercises regularly and has a good muscle tone and relative strength...or it can refer to a 140lb man who has very little fat, very little muscle, and doesn't exercise.

You can be 150lbs and healthy.  You can be 150lbs and unhealthy.  You CAN'T be 400lbs and healthy unless you're 7ft tall and built like Hercules.  So why point to the UNhealthy 'thin' people and use that as an excuse to remain the way you are?   

Alright, so we've made some really bad eating choices and we haven't exercised as we should.  It happens to a lot of people.  We can't change the past.  My thing is: we should all be honest with ourselves about our condition.  Lying to yourself that you're a HEALTHY 350lbs is not going to make it true.  The longest journey begins with a single step.

One salad, walk, jog, water, fruit, vegetable at a time and we can be on our way to a healthy, fit body and a healthy heart!  It may seem too hard, but it isn't.  Don't think about the large amount of weight you have to lose.  Just make healthy eating choices TODAY and know that those choices will make you a healthier person and extend your life.

The first step?  Be honest with yourself.

[/tangential rant]

[LaylaMonroe]

^^^^ total agreement.

And this should be a lot easier for the saints than for the world. Our bodies are not our own, our lives are not our own. If we can deny our flesh premarital sex then we should be able to deny our flesh unhealthy foods. It's all about self-control, which is a fruit of the spirit. If you can live holy, you can eat right. And I absolutely HATE that most Black churches don't teach this (excluding the SDA church).

[under13]

[tangential rant]

I've heard 'you can be thin and unhealthy' comments before and I always smh.  Not that it's untrue...just that I often hear non-thin people use it as an excuse to remain...non-thin.   

First of all 'thin' can be interpreted in more than one way. 

It can refer to a 160lb man who has very little fat but exercises regularly and has a good muscle tone and relative strength...or it can refer to a 140lb man who has very little fat, very little muscle, and doesn't exercise.

You can be 150lbs and healthy.  You can be 150lbs and unhealthy.  You CAN'T be 400lbs and healthy unless you're 7ft tall and built like Hercules.  So why point to the UNhealthy 'thin' people and use that as an excuse to remain the way you are?   

Alright, so we've made some really bad eating choices and we haven't exercised as we should.  It happens to a lot of people.  We can't change the past.  My thing is: we should all be honest with ourselves about our condition.  Lying to yourself that you're a HEALTHY 350lbs is not going to make it true.  The longest journey begins with a single step.

One salad, walk, jog, water, fruit, vegetable at a time and we can be on our way to a healthy, fit body and a healthy heart!  It may seem too hard, but it isn't.  Don't think about the large amount of weight you have to lose.  Just make healthy eating choices TODAY and know that those choices will make you a healthier person and extend your life.

The first step?  Be honest with yourself.

[/tangential rant]

great post. 

I really do hate when people use totally invalid arguments about other groups of people to defend themselves.

And yes honesty is key, however many of us live in a culture that lies to it's people and absolves us of personal accountability.

I also think that this is one of those places where it's easier to change yourself than it is to change the culture. Overweight people often don't get the same respect as others, no it's not right, but good luck trying to change this culture we live in, that effort could be used in the gym or on the track.

I also find it ironic that this society makes unhealthy food so accessible and and pushes it to us so hard, yet we have these standards of beauty that are impossible to maintain while regularly  consuming these products.

[under13]

^^^^ total agreement.

And this should be a lot easier for the saints than for the world. Our bodies are not our own, our lives are not our own. If we can deny our flesh premarital sex then we should be able to deny our flesh unhealthy foods. It's all about self-control, which is a fruit of the spirit. If you can live holy, you can eat right. And I absolutely HATE that most Black churches don't teach this (excluding the SDA church).

Yeah, the SDA church headquarters in Queens NY runs a small health-food store, while other people are selling fried fish dinners...

[betnich]

This should be MYOB - before criticizing others, look to yourself. The whole splinter/log-in-the-eye thing.

As a person of size, I can testify that changing one's body mass does not happen all at once. It takes time, so we should not judge.

{Tangential rant}
Lately I have found that going to potlucks, etc. has been uncomfortable for me. I don't want to come across as self-righteous about what I eat or don't eat, but - Last time I got chicken, salad and fruit (which I was grateful they had). Those around me had the standard potluck fare. When it was time for the cake someone handed me a piece, which I handed to the person next to me. Then the person cutting the cake calls across the room to me:

"Do you want some cake?"
No, thank you.
"It's Chocolate"
No.
"With cream filling"
No, thank you.

I know she was trying to be hospitable, but I felt pressured to eat the cake. Then someone at the table with me says that I should have the cake. I tell him that 'I am trying to stay on the straight and narrow' (meaning: keep my blood sugar down after it had spiked during a recent illness. The fruit was carbs enough for the meal). Then he says to go ahead and cheat once in a while.

Having been there, I would not dare judge others by what they had on their plate...
{end rant}

[LaylaMonroe]

As a very finicky eater, I will tell you I HATE food pressure. Hate it. I think people are just very rude and don't have any social graces at all. I just told my sister a few weeks ago that I'm putting my niece in etiquette school so she can learn (as we did) how to conduct herself in social settings.

In my office, we always have parties for this occasion or that occasion. I don't like cake very much, but I especially don't like store-bought cake or white or yellow cakes, and I hate buttercream frosting. Most office cakes fit into that category. When it does, I decline. It NEVER FAILS that someone chooses to put the spotlight on me by insisting I take a small piece or announcing that I can afford to eat cake or asking if that's how I stay small or saying 'I wish I had your willpower' and then it turns into a whole entire conversation, which really annoys me and pushes me deeper into my anti-social nest. The fact is, I'm simply not a fan of cake. I was taught not to comment on people's plates at all (in social settings). I shouldn't have to defend why I only have one item on my plate at the office potluck or why I didn't eat my vegetables at the restaurant. It's just not your business.

People are just rude and lacking social training.

[Arkhams Finest]

This should be MYOB - before criticizing others, look to yourself. The whole splinter/log-in-the-eye thing.

As a person of size, I can testify that changing one's body mass does not happen all at once. It takes time, so we should not judge.

{Tangential rant}
Lately I have found that going to potlucks, etc. has been uncomfortable for me. I don't want to come across as self-righteous about what I eat or don't eat, but - Last time I got chicken, salad and fruit (which I was grateful they had). Those around me had the standard potluck fare. When it was time for the cake someone handed me a piece, which I handed to the person next to me. Then the person cutting the cake calls across the room to me:

"Do you want some cake?"
No, thank you.
"It's Chocolate"
No.
"With cream filling"
No, thank you.

I know she was trying to be hospitable, but I felt pressured to eat the cake. Then someone at the table with me says that I should have the cake. I tell him that 'I am trying to stay on the straight and narrow' (meaning: keep my blood sugar down after it had spiked during a recent illness. The fruit was carbs enough for the meal). Then he says to go ahead and cheat once in a while.

Having been there, I would not dare judge others by what they had on their plate...
{end rant}

No judgements taking place in this thread as far as I can see.

[under13]

This should be MYOB - before criticizing others, look to yourself. The whole splinter/log-in-the-eye thing.

As a person of size, I can testify that changing one's body mass does not happen all at once. It takes time, so we should not judge.

I think everyone knows that weight loss takes time, but most of us bigger people have been that way for years, and most of us don't even attempt to lose the weight. And if we do attempt to lose it we go about it in the wrong way and give up after a short while.

[berbie]

It is nearly impossible for a person with a food addiction(which many have)to lose weight and keep it off.  Dieters are successful at a rate of 10%(90% fail or soon regain the weight). Dieting is not like smoking or drug addiction where you can fore-go the object of the addiction entirely.  You have to eat some amount so each meal and every day is a fight against something that you must have and your body doesn't cooperate ever.

If a person has a very active metabolism, or an ambivalent attitude about food, it is easy for them to comment on the difficulties that the less fortunate face as they attempt to lose weight. Ex., just move back from the table or, you have no will power, etc.

So, it can be said to the one who has lost 1000 pounds and gained back 1000 and one after the tenth diet,  all is not lost.  You can still be healthy.  Just keep up your level of physical activity and a positive attitude.  This being because it is nearly impossible for some to lose weight and keep it off. 

I think that in time, we will know why and have a remedy that everyone can use and be successful at it.

[under13]

It is nearly impossible for a person with a food addiction(which many have)to lose weight and keep it off.  Dieters are successful at a rate of 10%(90% fail or soon regain the weight). Dieting is not like smoking or drug addiction where you can fore-go the object of the addiction entirely.  You have to eat some amount so each meal and every day is a fight against something that you must have and your body doesn't cooperate ever.

If a person has a very active metabolism, or an ambivalent attitude about food, it is easy for them to comment on the difficulties that the less fortunate face as they attempt to lose weight. Ex., just move back from the table or, you have no will power, etc.

So, it can be said to the one who has lost 1000 pounds and gained back 1000 and one after the tenth diet,  all is not lost.  You can still be healthy.  Just keep up your level of physical activity and a positive attitude.  This being because it is nearly impossible for some to lose weight and keep it off. 

I think that in time, we will know why and have a remedy that everyone can use and be successful at it.

I'm pretty sure that i have food addiction and I currently weigh in at about 270 lbs, however I think your argument is invalid. There are people who have overcome prescription pill and heroine addiction, yet they can still take legal drugs without going back to painkillers or narcotics.

I'm attempting weight loss for the 3rd time in the past couple of years, but I don't even think it would worth trying again if i had that attitude. I've seen so many people that have transformed their bodies and kept the weight off, that I know it's not impossible.

The problem is right in your post. You mention dieting, but weight loss is more than that. It takes a whole lifestyle change which includes permanently  changing your diet (which is different from dieting) and exercise. Without exercising at least 3 times a week, you probably won't lose much weigh, as you can't do just one or the other (I've tried it).

The reason diets dont work imo, is because we lose the weight and then think that we can eat whatever we want again in large quantities.

[Arkhams Finest]

It is nearly impossible for a person with a food addiction(which many have)to lose weight and keep it off.  Dieters are successful at a rate of 10%(90% fail or soon regain the weight). Dieting is not like smoking or drug addiction where you can fore-go the object of the addiction entirely.  You have to eat some amount so each meal and every day is a fight against something that you must have and your body doesn't cooperate ever.

If a person has a very active metabolism, or an ambivalent attitude about food, it is easy for them to comment on the difficulties that the less fortunate face as they attempt to lose weight. Ex., just move back from the table or, you have no will power, etc.

So, it can be said to the one who has lost 1000 pounds and gained back 1000 and one after the tenth diet,  all is not lost.  You can still be healthy.  Just keep up your level of physical activity and a positive attitude.  This being because it is nearly impossible for some to lose weight and keep it off. 

I think that in time, we will know why and have a remedy that everyone can use and be successful at it.

First, let me note that I've lost 60 pounds.

Secondly, you use the term 'nearly impossible' twice.  Losing weight isn't 'nearly impossible'.  It SEEMS that way, but it isn't.  People begin and COMPLETE weight loss journeys every day.

Also, 'addiction' is a very strong word.  I don't think MOST people have a 'food addiction'.  I think MOST people make poor eating choices for a variety of reasons.  I, for one, like grew up in a home where we ate whatever, whenever.  No veggies.  No fruit.  So I continued those eating habits and ballooned up.

Again, I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who has lost weight.  It wasn't easy, it wasn't quick, but it's possible.

If you say it's 'nearly impossible', then for you it will be.

[chevonee]

If thin is in then Vonne is out!!

[LaylaMonroe]

Not IRT Berbie directly, but in general, when saints refer to weight loss as "impossible" or make comments about others not understanding the struggle or offer countless excuses for why they "can't" do this or that, I really wonder what they think crucifying the flesh is all about?? Do you only crucify some strongholds and not others??? Flesh is flesh. If you're living holy, then you should be able to exercise self-control. It's not an overnight thing and it certainly requires practice, perhaps with a few failed attempts... but it shouldn't be written off as impossible or covered with excuses. Just like we wouldn't accept a saved person making excuses for getting drunk every night or screwing the next door neighbor, we shouldn't accept any for not taking proper care of our temples.

[BassbyGrace]

Not IRT Berbie directly, but in general, when saints refer to weight loss as "impossible" or make comments about others not understanding the struggle or offer countless excuses for why they "can't" do this or that, I really wonder what they think crucifying the flesh is all about?? Do you only crucify some strongholds and not others??? Flesh is flesh. If you're living holy, then you should be able to exercise self-control. It's not an overnight thing and it certainly requires practice, perhaps with a few failed attempts... but it shouldn't be written off as impossible or covered with excuses. Just like we wouldn't accept a saved person making excuses for getting drunk every night or screwing the next door neighbor, we shouldn't accept any for not taking proper care of our temples.

Agreed.  And when it comes down to it, ppl just make bad choices.  And yet we will straight preach condemnation on tattoos and not that double whopper.  Ive hardly ever seen many ppl ever ask for prayer to help them make better nutritional decisions.   God will supply ALL your NEEDs according to his riches and glory.  Money, family, health, etc.  That need can be to overcome a mentality too.  The Daniel fast we went on in Jan really opened my eyes to what we do to ourselves and that with work, a change can come.

I also think not just with church, but the U.S. as a whole is really struggling in the health area. 

[betnich]

If thin is in then Vonne is out!!

Not in my book - you are accepted in the Beloved....

[phbrown]

even though thin may be in media alot if you look at the people you would know that this is not working

[baggettcindy]

^^^^ total agreement.

And this should be a lot easier for the saints than for the world. Our bodies are not our own, our lives are not our own. If we can deny our flesh premarital sex then we should be able to deny our flesh unhealthy foods. It's all about self-control, which is a fruit of the spirit. If you can live holy, you can eat right. And I absolutely HATE that most Black churches don't teach this (excluding the SDA church).

I am working on this...self-control with my eating. I am doing better than last year, but need to still do much better.

[phbrown]

I am working on this...self-control with my eating. I am doing better than last year, but need to still do much better.

Go! BC!!!