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Scale Forms
« on: March 13, 2012, 05:50:42 PM »
 I have been playing for a few years now and have been getting by with a few simple licks and the pentatonic scale for soloing. I have tried to learn other scale forms, but I can't "hear" it. Is there a scale that I should "graduate" to, or do I pick one and keep at it until I can incorporate it into my music? Should I be learning scales at all, our just picking up licks? Need help, please!
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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 07:56:08 PM »
For me, learning the major scale and its modes was of great help because it helped me to learn the finger board and break out of just playing in boxed positions.  Some people get intimidated by modes, but the way I see it, they are all just extensions of the major scale (although, you can do other things with them - but let's not get ahead of ourselves).
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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 06:55:34 PM »
I have a couple of books/cd  that show chord shapes there arrpegios and nice choice of modes myself  i cant stomack major scale try a 6th string bar chord to me it sounds to chessy try 6 and 4thstring octave and 3rd string 3rd in other words ditch the 5th you got a much tougher sounding chord .And than I always do bendig micro or hugh bends to me that is the only way  I can be in the same playing field as a  gospel keyboardist.And have you learned to play 3rds or 6ths which I think sounds beefer and its really just the inversion playing in thirds which alot of key players use. There are so many stlyes out there you never stated  do you want blues ,r@b popish.southern .funky ect. hope that helps and dont want to offend anyone about major scale.Every one is different and have different taste and hearing .I do modes all of them except major .kindy like i eat everthing but macroni and cheese some reason cant stomack it..  don larieski or something like that has some great book/cd. try www.steviesnacks.com on pent scalesis really good its blues stuff not church stuff but hay you want some new licks .

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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 01:06:16 PM »
check  out  don latarski book/cd practical theory for guitar by warner brothers has all types of modes shows all types of scale forms and what ones to use with what CHORDS.lots of vamps on cds for you to play to to help you figure out the sound of the modes.Even has stuff on slash chords inversions substitions ect ect .I would say this one book is worth about 10 others combined if not more. Also at the library computer as in  i dont own my own .youtube guitar modes there is tons of stuff .  What really caught my eye was you can down load like ten minute vamp for just you to do scales/solo to say only harmonic minor man thats alot of time to get it figured out.

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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2012, 07:39:15 PM »
Thanks, guys. I'll give these a look and let you ohio how it's coming along...
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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 06:14:22 PM »
Lol, being from Michigan, it is anything but!

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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2012, 08:23:53 AM »
the major scale is anything but cheesy, since it is what almost all western music is based off of...its all in the application...

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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2012, 08:38:21 AM »
the major scale is anything but cheesy, since it is what almost all western music is based off of...its all in the application...

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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 11:55:42 AM »
the major scale is anything but cheesy, since it is what almost all western music is based off of...its all in the application...

So is this the concensus that the major scale is the one being used in service?
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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2012, 12:21:29 PM »
So is this the concensus that the major scale is the one being used in service?

The diatonic major scale is the basis for most of what we play in contemporary music; chords, melody, harmony, church modes, relative minors, pentatonics, etc...all can be traced back to the diatonic major.
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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2012, 06:15:47 PM »
The diatonic major scale is the basis for most of what we play in contemporary music; chords, melody, harmony, church modes, relative minors, pentatonics, etc...all can be traced back to the diatonic major.

Cool... this is where i will take my next step then!
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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2012, 07:27:25 PM »
So is this the concensus that the major scale is the one being used in service?
No,depends on what type of gospel music you are playing.

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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2012, 09:45:27 AM »
Think mr sweetwater gots a bingo.  Certain scales sound better with correct chords. 1/2 diminish scale dosent work with maj scale . you could be in a mode of maj like the 7th mode would sound great.but then again songs like marry dont you weep. its maj every one isin maj but I have always heard guitarist play minor pent /blues anyways.depends on church and location .Im in minneasota but the church members are from mississippi .We play every thing bluesy/little maj for sweetness gospely bb king king of way ,most folks sing like him maybe cuz.. a number of members are from his home town. there is alot of 7th,9th 13th, diminished,slash chords /bm5 and chords we dont even know the names.Again I highly recomend d latarski book he shows what scales work with what chords. And as far as just playing pent wow thtas all eric clapton and lots of folks do thehey bend up or slide up or down pitch for a dorain note or such. with your pent are you staying on one chord or are you targetingotherchords, Ab one chord then moves to 4chord Db do youthen do Db pent that will up your playing.Idid a experament played after church not targeting long time then a very short time was targeting chord changes and all types of folks came up and said liked what I was doing were as before no one notice even though was playing the same likes

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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2012, 09:47:01 PM »
The diatonic major scale is the basis for most of what we play in contemporary music; chords, melody, harmony, church modes, relative minors, pentatonics, etc...all can be traced back to the diatonic major.
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Re: Scale Forms
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2012, 12:48:14 PM »
well okay Ill man up and say sorry to Mr Trackman  and im sorry for saying im not a fan of the full maj scale and yes its the mother of all scales and when im playing dorain yes its a maj scale starting on the sec note ect ect.  I guess on this tread I should have stuck to facts and not my personal likes and dis likes And I will think longer before I respond so as not to stirr things up again my appoligies. Hope all is forgiven  and hand shakes to everyone
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