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Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« on: March 16, 2012, 01:37:49 PM »
The article is pretty long, so you don't have to read it if you don't want to, but it is pretty interesting.

Anyway, the two-sentence version is that the teacher asserts that he felt extreme pressure to perform - from his local administration, the district and the state - and was under duress from the principal. In an attempt to help the students, who worked very hard and did well, but had consistently failing test scores, the teacher participated in the cheating scheme for a period of four years.

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-fires-first-teacher-1384791.html

So the discussion question here is: is there any sympathy for the nearly 200 educators who participated in this scheme that spanned 44 schools in Atlanta? Is the government to blame? If you do blame the teachers and administrators, how do you think they should've handled this dilemma instead of cheating?
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 01:41:15 PM »
From the article:

"Let us not crucify the teachers and act like there weren’t and aren’t systemic problems that need to be addressed all the way up" -- fired teacher, Damany Lewis

“A teacher is always under a lot of pressure. There is always the weight of student performance on that teacher’s shoulder, along with the expectation and watchful eyes of the administration, the board of education, the superintendent and the state,” Lewis said during Wednesday’s hearing.

Lewis did not dispute the statements in the special investigation. He wasn’t represented by an attorney, and choose not to cross examine either of the witnesses called by APS during the hearing, which is set up like a court proceeding.

When Lewis took the stand, he choose not to answer any direct questions from APS attorneys about statements in the cheating report, saying he didn’t want to incriminate himself.

Instead, an emotional Lewis took a gulp of water and stood while delivering a 10-minute testimony, in which he talked about how much he loved Parks Middle, where he worked for more than a decade. In addition to teaching, he coached sports and also advised the chess club in an effort to contribute more to an impoverished community.

“Somewhere along the way, I started to feel like Parks needed me, and I needed Parks,” he said. “The school climate and overall culture was wonderful. However, the [test] scores were dismal at best. The results overshadowed all of Parks’ positive effects.”

Educators involved in the cheating scandal could face criminal charges as well as the loss of their teaching license. The Professional Standards Commission, which oversees Georgia educators, suspended Lewis’ license for two years, and he was granted criminal immunity for his cooperation with special investigators.

Lewis said he worked with the GBI because he believed telling the truth would help students, and he encouraged other teachers to do the same. Attorneys for APS said Lewis only confessed after he was granted immunity from criminal charges, and they say he “betrayed” the school system.

Fighting back tears, Lewis asked the district to grant him and other teachers from Parks leniency. He thanked APS for allowing him to collect his salary after being placed on administrative leave in July, saying he was “broken” when he learned he would no longer be able to teach.

“The people who are being honest and who have exuded the most character are being persecuted the most and being let go first,” he said. “Let us not crucify the teachers and act like there weren’t and aren’t systemic problems that need to be addressed all the way up.”
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 01:42:13 PM »
So the discussion question here is: is there any sympathy for the nearly 200 educators who participated in this scheme that spanned 44 schools in Atlanta? Is the government to blame? If you do blame the teachers and administrators, how do you think they should've handled this dilemma instead of cheating?

Since the teacher's unions are so powerful, they should have used that power to bring major attention to the fact that the current education system is not working.

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 01:45:21 PM »
Unions in Georgia are not powerful at all. Not even close.

In fact, in the south, unions are pretty much looked upon with disgust and pity.
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 01:49:09 PM »
Unions in Georgia are not powerful at all. Not even close.

In fact, in the south, unions are pretty much looked upon with disgust and pity.

As they should be. (in a lot of cases)

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 01:52:49 PM »
That's a whole notha story.... :)
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 02:01:07 PM »
That's a whole notha story.... :)

But it's Friday and LGM is dead, so why not hijack your thread? :D

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2012, 02:09:56 PM »
LOL!!! Because I get emotional when people bash unions. :D

I'm fiercely pro-union, although I acknowledge that many of them have evolved into money-making organizations that just take advantage of their members because they totally lost sight of their original mission, and a few bad apples give the whole bunch a bad name... wait, are we talking about the union or the ch-- yeah, nevermind. :)
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 02:27:18 PM »
I wouldn’t say sympathy, but empathy for the teachers (Even though they can be used interchangeably).  The pressure is heavy on teachers from administration.  If the kids don’t do well, the teacher has to take the wrath.  Regardless of how many times they try to get the parents involve.  Regardless of how many times, they try to alert administration of circumstances affecting performance.  Everything falls on the teacher.  So I can understand the pressure.  Even though I wouldn’t have participated in this scandal, I would lie if I told you it wouldn't be tempting. 

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2012, 03:11:23 PM »
So the discussion question here is: is there any sympathy for the nearly 200 educators who participated in this scheme that spanned 44 schools in Atlanta? Is the government to blame? If you do blame the teachers and administrators, how do you think they should've handled this dilemma instead of cheating?

no sympathy from me

the government is not to blame

teach the kids and let them fail

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2012, 03:21:30 PM »
lol
no sympathy from me

the government is not to blame

teach the kids and let them fail
its not politically correct to let someone fail or be called a failure

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2012, 03:27:16 PM »
its not politically correct to let someone fail or be called a failure

doesn't cost the teacher their job either

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2012, 05:28:09 PM »
Isn't there at least a small element of selfishness here, though? My compassionate side really felt for this particular teacher because I believe he meant well. But I also have to wonder whether any of them participated mainly because they look better as teachers when their students succeed? Not to mention the fact that they get more money... you have no choice but to wonder whether there were any selfish motives.

BUT, at the same time, I really hope that something good comes of this. I hope that somewhere, somebody is working on a major overhaul of our education system and we find a way to really serve our children the way they deserve. Maybe we can take a look at China... lol.
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2012, 05:32:15 PM »
So the discussion question here is: is there any sympathy for the nearly 200 educators who participated in this scheme that spanned 44 schools in Atlanta? Is the government to blame? If you do blame the teachers and administrators, how do you think they should've handled this dilemma instead of cheating?

As a fellow educator, I posses sympathy for them believing they had no other recourse.  I do blame the government because it will NOT assign blame in the correct direction (perhaps, because it cannot). 


The only way the situation can be handled with fidelity is to have the students fail and take an OBJECTIVE look as to why these children are failing.  And, by objective, I mean to look at ALL factors that influence a child's learning.


Until that occurs, nothing can change.  My pair of pence.
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2012, 06:44:44 PM »
As a fellow educator, I posses sympathy for them believing they had no other recourse.  I do blame the government because it will NOT assign blame in the correct direction (perhaps, because it cannot). 


The only way the situation can be handled with fidelity is to have the students fail and take an OBJECTIVE look as to why these children are failing.  And, by objective, I mean to look at ALL factors that influence a child's learning.


Until that occurs, nothing can change.  My pair of pence.

That part in bold is my sentiment exactly! if all the students fail then hopefully everyone will take an objective look at the situation.

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2012, 06:31:01 AM »
Isn't there at least a small element of selfishness here, though? My compassionate side really felt for this particular teacher because I believe he meant well. But I also have to wonder whether any of them participated mainly because they look better as teachers when their students succeed? Not to mention the fact that they get more money... you have no choice but to wonder whether there were any selfish motives.

BUT, at the same time, I really hope that something good comes of this. I hope that somewhere, somebody is working on a major overhaul of our education system and we find a way to really serve our children the way they deserve. Maybe we can take a look at China... lol.

If you want to call 'survival' or 'maintaining one's livelihood' selfish, then I suppose. :-\
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2012, 07:11:31 AM »
Idk Jonathan. The article said that this particular teacher taught at Parks for over 10 years, and it gave stats on the test scores before and after the principal held responsible for the scandal at this particular school. Those kids pretty much failed consistently for years and the teacher never lost his job, so why would he fear job loss now??

Btw, last night I thought I commented on your post, but now I don't see it. Ugh. Anyway, I agreed with you.
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 07:22:56 AM »
Idk Jonathan. The article said that this particular teacher taught at Parks for over 10 years, and it gave stats on the test scores before and after the principal held responsible for the scandal at this particular school. Those kids pretty much failed consistently for years and the teacher never lost his job, so why would he fear job loss now??
Btw, last night I thought I commented on your post, but now I don't see it. Ugh. Anyway, I agreed with you.

There may not have been a need to worry before now. *kanyeshrug*

Another problem with the 'bar' set by the government is that it doesn't take into consideration any gains made by schools.

For example, my school has increase its reading and math scores consistently over the past four years; yet, we haven't made AYP because we haven't hit the number they deem necessary.
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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2012, 07:35:18 AM »
It's interesting to me that the AP school system mandated and controlled teachers,students,curriculum and had a significant part all the way to the top administrative levels.

Yet now they are "prosecuting" the case albeit with outside supervision.The "blame" for a lot of this resides with them;it will be interesting if there's anyone at that level held accountable.

The chinese ed system would probably be a rude awakening!!I think they have a heavy measure of discipline;self or otherwise.Like Singapore-"cane" you to just short of death.Probably about as bad as the "nuns" were  when I was a kid-they would put the fear of GOD on you.

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Re: Atlanta fired its first teacher from the cheating scandal
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2012, 08:00:16 AM »
It's interesting to me that the AP school system mandated and controlled teachers,students,curriculum and had a significant part all the way to the top administrative levels.

Yet now they are "prosecuting" the case albeit with outside supervision.The "blame" for a lot of this resides with them;it will be interesting if there's anyone at that level held accountable.

The chinese ed system would probably be a rude awakening!!I think they have a heavy measure of discipline;self or otherwise.Like Singapore-"cane" you to just short of death.Probably about as bad as the "nuns" were  when I was a kid-they would put the fear of GOD on you.

I really believe many miss this point.  Learning is about possessing discipline to sit and learn no matter the subject.
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