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Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« on: April 19, 2012, 11:43:17 AM »
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A board of trustees selected by the late Apostle Betty R. Peebles, co-founder of Jericho City of Praise in Landover, on Wednesday fired her only surviving child, the Rev. Joel R. Peebles, as acting pastor and stripped him of membership in the church his parents created more than 40 years ago.

Peebles, 42, the sole survivor of the Peebles family, said he was notified in writing of his dismissal just after 1 p.m. Wednesday, when he arrived at the church to begin preparing for an evening Bible study session.

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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 11:43:27 AM »
Background: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/joel-peebles-megachurch-pastor-is-fired-from-church-his-parents-founded/2012/04/18/gIQAgvXMRT_story.html?tid=pm_local_pop

Video of the pastor being removed from the premises:
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Okay, so I need some discussion on this.... anything? Anybody???
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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 11:47:25 AM »
Can't read the article, for some reason it won't load.  I don't know why he was removed, so I can't really comment.

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 11:58:05 AM »
Here's what the article says about why he was fired (not a lot of detail):

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Peebles’s firing is the latest development in a controversy that began just after Betty Peebles’s death in October 2010. The issue has been control of the church’s massive assets: a 10,000-seat sanctuary, a senior citizens’ complex, schools and a lucrative agreement to provide parking for Washington Redskins home games.

Board members contend that Betty Peebles thought her son needed additional training before taking the reins. Joel Peebles said his mother wanted him to succeed her.

“I preached by my mother’s side every Sunday,” Peebles said in a previous interview. “I preached at 8 a.m. and was by her side when she preached at the 11 a.m. service.”

Henry called Wednesday’s dismissal “another attempt by Satan” to interfere with Peebles’s work. “He has preached every Sunday. He has negotiated and signed $88 million in loans and other things to help establish this ministry,” Henry said.

A source familiar with the controversy said the board decided to fire Peebles because the two sides had not been able to agree on managing the church. Both sides claimed victory after a court hearing on Monday.

I'm not familiar with the back story, but it sounds to me like typical infighting about how to actually run the church (probably related to money, investments, budget, etc.). I perused quite a few articles and there wasn't a single mention of any sin or wrongdoing, so I don't think there were any improper actions involved.

But the bigger picture - imo - is plural vs. singular leadership and who should be in charge of a church? Should the pastor have sole authority? Majority authority? Should a board be able to oust a pastor? Independent churches vs. affiliated churches... if you start a church from the ground up, build it, etc... should your members or board be able to vote you out? What if you started that church, die and pass it on to your child, should the members be able to vote him out?
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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 12:04:32 PM »
I'm not sure if a church should be "inherited".  I know a lot of pastor's sons succeed them, some rightfully so, and some out of pure nepotism.  Nowadays, it's just become way too academic and way too convoluted, IMO.  You can't really trust that all parties involved are committed to see the will of God carried out in the proceedings.  I guess the only thing one can do is vote if you have a vote, but more importantly pray for the church and its leaders.  Pastors and leaders should be careful who they appoint during the good times, because those same people will have a vital hand in what happens in more uncertain times.

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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 12:10:49 PM »
FYI I think this is the church where Richard Smallwood's recording was.

Incidentally, I just watched the entire DVD last night and got this news today. :-\
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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 12:16:09 PM »
Is there any documentation on who the late pastor specifically wanted to succeed her? What do the bylaws state in regards to the appointment of a successor?

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Irregardless, I think every church should have some type of board for accountability measures and within that board roles and positions be clearly defined. I don't have a problem as much these days with a Pastor having vision, ideas and the leniency to lead (too many chiefs not enough indians is a huge problem in too many churches today) but there should be some accountability. So basically, I argue for balance (clear leadership but also accountability). 

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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2012, 12:22:41 PM »
Is there any documentation on who the late pastor specifically wanted to succeed her? What do the bylaws state in regards to the appointment of a successor?
I have a tad bit of a problem with the pastor being the sole appointer of the successor... kinda... I mean the church is not the family jewels that you pass down to little pastor jr. and pastor III etc.  It's different, you don't own it and you don't have the right to keep it in your family for the sake of keeping it in your family. 

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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2012, 12:39:55 PM »
Wow, I just saw this story on my FB page.  Being a Washington area resident, Jericho City of Praise is a local institution.  Although I am not very informed about the the details of the situation but it has gotten some coverage in the local news.  It is a sad case that highlights the cost of a "successful" ministry and makes you wonder what is the objective of having a large ministry in the first place.  Church is just as much a business concern as it is a spiritual enterprise and both are valid and important aspects of ministry.  I hope all goes well for Pastor Peebles and the congregation of Jericho.
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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 01:23:25 PM »
Here's what the article says about why he was fired (not a lot of detail):

I'm not familiar with the back story, but it sounds to me like typical infighting about how to actually run the church (probably related to money, investments, budget, etc.). I perused quite a few articles and there wasn't a single mention of any sin or wrongdoing, so I don't think there were any improper actions involved.

But the bigger picture - imo - is plural vs. singular leadership and who should be in charge of a church? Should the pastor have sole authority? Majority authority? Should a board be able to oust a pastor? Independent churches vs. affiliated churches... if you start a church from the ground up, build it, etc... should your members or board be able to vote you out? What if you started that church, die and pass it on to your child, should the members be able to vote him out?

AFAIK, Joel is on the up and up as far as his integrity is concerned.  But when you have a religious organization of that size and with all of the financial and legal implications involved, I would favor a plural form of leadership regardless of how experienced and/or skilled the pastor is from a business perspective.  And in this particular case, it would appear that his late mother saw some weaknesses in her son and felt that a board of directors would have better served the needs of the church more than maybe even her personal desire to see her son take the level of control that she had. 
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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2012, 01:42:07 PM »
I have a tad bit of a problem with the pastor being the sole appointer of the successor... kinda... I mean the church is not the family jewels that you past down to little pastor jr. and pastor III etc.  It's different, you don't own it and you don't have the right to keep it in your family for the sake of keeping it in your family.

Good point.

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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 01:44:10 PM »
I'm in the middle of this video now.

This is a really sad story in the body.

Word_From_Pastor Joel Peebles
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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2012, 01:53:14 PM »
Is there any documentation on who the late pastor specifically wanted to succeed her? What do the bylaws state in regards to the appointment of a successor?

#questionsonmymindasIreadthistory

Irregardless, I think every church should have some type of board for accountability measures and within that board roles and positions be clearly defined. I don't have a problem as much these days with a Pastor having vision, ideas and the leniency to lead (too many chiefs not enough indians is a huge problem in too many churches today) but there should be some accountability. So basically, I argue for balance (clear leadership but also accountability).


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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 02:09:56 PM »
LOL... I gotta say, I don't "get" that....


But anyway, back on subject....

Idk how I feel about this whole situation. From what little I know (I've watched a few videos and read a few articles), it appears that there are some really fleshly and vengeful actions taking place, and it appears that people are really out for self. They just really need to pause and seek God. Calling police, forcibly removing the board members that have served since day 1 of the ministry, changing locks, firing staff... all of this after the leader died... I just don't see God in that (assuming it's true). I'm so saddened to see this huge landmark go down like this. Apostle Betty died without a single mark or wrinkle on her name, and I can't imagine that she or her husband would've been pleased to see their only living son treated this way or the church they built being marred this way.... especially if their son is blameless. They built this church from nothing to one of the largest mega-churches in the DMV area.

In any case, I think that for matters like this, the entire church should decide who leads them as pastor. But it's so complicated that I honestly could argue both positions.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2012, 02:11:54 PM »
Imagine starting a ministry with your spouse.  You two put up the money for the first space you rent.  The first space isn't large so many times you have to invest large sums of your own money to make ends meet.  After 5 years you have enough for a mortgage.

You purchase a building that can seat 200.  It's difficult at first because you initially don't have enough members to cover the increased mortgage and bills, but after 10 years you have enough to purchase a large space.  This new space can seat 5,000.

After 5 years you start having some issues with the board members.  There are disagreements.  You rub some of them the wrong way.

You placed a clause in the Bylaws that allows the board to remove a Pastor from office if, say, 80% of the board can agree.  Some individuals with influence pull some strings, and you're out.

Now, after giving your life and literally tens of thousands of dollars to this ministry, you're out of a job.  You aren't even a MEMBER in the church you founded with blood sweat and tears.

Doesn't seem fair.

The matter of succession is a little more complicated.  Still, if I founded this church, I should be able to choose who the successor will be.

Why?

Because I know the challenges better than any board member.  I know the requisite personality traits better than any board member.  I know the job.
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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2012, 02:18:41 PM »
...changing locks, firing staff... all of this after the leader died... I just don't see God in that (assuming it's true). I'm so saddened to see this huge landmark go down like this. Apostle Betty died without a single mark or wrinkle on her name, and I can't imagine that she or her husband would've been pleased to see their only living son treated this way or the church they built being marred this way.... especially if their son is blameless. They built this church from nothing to one of the largest mega-churches in the DMV area.

In any case, I think that for matters like this, the entire church should decide who leads them as pastor. But it's so complicated that I honestly could argue both positions.

They changed the locks because of a series of burglaries, and that it was not attempt to lock the pastor out..........well that's what they say anyway  ::)  :-\
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2012, 02:29:33 PM »
They changed the locks because of a series of burglaries, and that it was not attempt to lock the pastor out..........well that's what they say anyway  ::)  :-\

They also changed the locks on the pastor's office and didn't give him a key. That wasn't an attempt to lock him out? LOL
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Re: Jericho City of Praise - and the bigger picture
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2012, 02:31:01 PM »
I'm convinced that if we're going to make strides in winning a generation that is steadily turning toward atheism, it's going to have to be done OUTSIDE of the church. No one is going to take us seriously when they pick up the freaking Washington Post and see THIS crap. The situation is complicated, yes, but a sense of awareness is in order. You DO NOT feed a media engine that lusts after any shred of drama that will make the church look bad. These people are grown, they should act like it and start considering the BODY, not just their personal agenda.

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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 02:36:06 PM »
Imagine starting a ministry with your spouse.  You two put up the money for the first space you rent.  The first space isn't large so many times you have to invest large sums of your own money to make ends meet.  You also have After 5 years you have enough for a mortgage.

You purchase a building that can seat 200.  It's difficult at first because you initially don't have enough members to cover the increased mortgage and bills, but after 10 years you have enough to purchase a large space.  This new space can seat 5,000.

After 5 years you start having some issues with the board members.  There are disagreements.  You rub some of them the wrong way.

You placed a clause in the Bylaws that allows the board to remove a Pastor from office if, say, 80% of the board can agree.  Some individuals with influence pull some strings, and you're out.

Now, after giving your life and literally tens of thousands of dollars to this ministry, you're out of a job.  You aren't even a MEMBER in the church you founded with blood sweat and tears.

Doesn't seem fair.

The matter of succession is a little more complicated.  Still, if I founded this church, I should be able to choose who the successor will be.

Why?

Because I know the challenges better than any board member.  I know the requisite personality traits better than any board member.  I know the job.

See, this is the kinda stuff I was thinking...

Part of me is like "well the church belongs to God... it's not man's church, it's the Lord's church." But the practical side of me says that the church is a non-profit organization that was founded and built by the Peebles. It is their organization with members. From a legal perspective, it is their organization with members. They were likely listed as the incorporating officers when the ministry was first incorporated, and as the directors when they got their first 501(c)(3). They invested not only their own money, but also their sweat, their tears, their elbow grease, and many, many prayers. It's not unreasonable to say that the church's name is what it is because of the Peebles (in Christ, of course).

As far as the bylaws, I have no idea what theirs state, but I wouldn't allow for the removal of a founding pastor without a unanimous vote AND a church vote... unless there was some sinful activity going on. But just over a difference of opinions? Nah, that's just not God. It's just not.

Another thing I thought is this: if pastors have the authority to name people to head up certain ministry auxiliaries, and that's okay with us, why wouldn't it be okay for the pastors to name their successors? If you trust this pastor to lead you, to shepherd you, to give you direction, and to name leaders to the departments in which you serve, why wouldn't you trust him/her to have the wisdom to determine who can take the reigns after their demise, whether the person is kin or not?

And after saying all that, I still feel some kinda way about singular leadership so like I said, I can argue both sides. It's complicated.
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 02:37:13 PM »
I'm convinced that if we're going to make strides in winning a generation that is steadily turning toward atheism, it's going to have to be done OUTSIDE of the church. No one is going to take us seriously when they pick up the freaking Washington Post and see THIS crap. The situation is complicated, yes, but a sense of awareness is in order. You DO NOT feed a media engine that lusts after any shred of drama that will make the church look bad. These people are grown, they should act like it and start considering the BODY, not just their personal agenda.

I agree, and especially with the part in bold.
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