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I just heard the tape of  the  call made by Creflo Dollar's daughter to 911, accusing him of abuse and asking for the police to come to their house.  Neither the mother nor the father, who were both at home, knew that she was making the call.  They were to be blindsided by the visit from the police.  Apparently this was the result of an argument about the girl's going out late at night.  She admits to being pert in her argumment with him.  The police did come, and Dollar was arrested.

I don't like Dollar very much at all(the personna that he portrays on T.V.), but he is facing a quandry that it seems that many of us face today.  Are we made subject to our children by officialdom if we try to discipline them?  This is a question of more importance than we think. 

Clearly, there are parents who abuse their children to the extent that they should be grabbed by the collar and ushered into prison forthwith, but that(in my opinion)is not the majority of parents.  Most are just trying as best they know how, to raise their children to be responsible and contributing adults.

I just wonder where we draw the line.

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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 10:42:21 PM »

pert:
adj \ˈpərt\

 saucily free and forward : flippantly cocky and assured

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The 911 call also sez she says its not the first time he hit her.

I wonder how many other times was she 'pert'?

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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2012, 12:43:04 AM »
I do believe in corporal punishment...to an extent. I received corporal punishment up until I was about 11 or so. By then, I pretty much knew what was up and had been well-trained enough to know not to do stupid things. My parents brooked NO rudeness from us. None whatsoever and they made that very clear from the onset. 
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2012, 07:06:51 AM »
I thought pert was a typo but I couldn't figure out what it was supposed to be. Cool. Thanks Berbie and Wolfie. It doesn't happen often but I love when people use words I've never heard.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2012, 07:13:17 AM »
My friend's husband is a police officer in Alabama and he told me this past weekend that it is NOT against the law to spank a child, even in public. The licks have to be below the waist and above the knees and cant leave any OPEN wounds. I said that's fine enough by me. Lol.

But yeah I believe in corporal punishment on the rare occasions when its necessary. As I always say when this subject is raised, I believe spanking should be a last resort, should never be given in anger, should come with an explanation and an assurance and demonstration of love. And we have to know our kids. Not all kids even need spanking. And spanking, imo should stop at puberty or age 12, whichever comes first.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2012, 07:18:49 AM »
And as for Little Miss Dollar, I think they should have asked her if she's afraid to live with her father and if she is, they should remove her spoiled lil grown behind from the mansion and let her go into state custody where I'm sure she'll be much happier. The first thing I said when I read the articles was that they shouldve let her for to DFCS at least for a week or so. These kids think stuff like that is a joke. They think calling the police is no big deal or that going to a foster home will be better than living with their parents. Ok boo if that's what you think, GO. Cause I'll be doggoned if you're gonna stay in my house and run up my electricity and eat up my food and sleep under my blankets on the bed I bought and think you're gonna control me. Heck no. You can get out and come back when you get some sense.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2012, 07:55:51 AM »
I dare a child of mine to call the po-po on me.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2012, 08:02:46 AM »
AND... when you DO decide to go to DFCS custody, please find something out of the closet that your grandmother bought you for Christmas because I'll be darned if you're gonna wear the clothes and shoes I paid for.... heck no.

Ooh I'm so mad right now. These kids today are a trip!

(I will say this, though, I don't know what happened in that household. The older sister said that he was indeed being abusive, and for all we know, this could be a long-time family problem... he could be a secret monster. Divorce could be next. Who knows? But based on what has come out thus far, I think she's just a brat).
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2012, 08:06:20 AM »
I dare a child of mine to call the po-po on me.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 08:11:39 AM »
I haven't read any of the articles, so I don't have all of the details on either side of the story.  But, from what I've read of the comments of those who did read the article, it seems to me the problem is not as much whether or not he touched her in an abusive way.  To me, it's more of what her calling the police signifies:  She's not taking account of HER OWN wrong-doing.  I see so much of this in society today.  It's sad.

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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 08:13:07 AM »
That's a REALLY dumb dare T;today a real possibility like B said and BADDD consequences. Like everything else in the "law", a good thing-stop abuse becomes a tool for the ,well "tools" like 'lil miss dollar .(like that monicker LM)

Creflo does have a history of "I'll prove its a false allegation" and then NOT serving the goods up.He was involved in a congressional action a while back and flipped on showing the evidence.

Boppin' lil' miss IS a different scene but time will show if character  stays the same.It boils down to a 15 year old strutting her stuff in a city like Atl which is high on the list for abductions/sex crimes against kids.So;how is this underage individual going anywhere late @ night?  Call the police on an unruly kid;let her stew in juvy a bit or a DFCS  "care" home for a week or so.

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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2012, 08:23:13 AM »
That's a REALLY dumb dare T;today a real possibility like B said and BADDD consequences. Like everything else in the "law", a good thing-stop abuse becomes a tool for the ,well "tools" like 'lil miss dollar .(like that monicker LM)

Creflo does have a history of "I'll prove its a false allegation" and then NOT serving the goods up.He was involved in a congressional action a while back and flipped on showing the evidence.

Boppin' lil' miss IS a different scene but time will show if character  stays the same.It boils down to a 15 year old strutting her stuff in a city like Atl which is high on the list for abductions/sex crimes against kids.So;how is this underage individual going anywhere late @ night?  Call the police on an unruly kid;let her stew in juvy a bit or a DFCS  "care" home for a week or so.
It's not a dumb dare at all bro, it's a promise of what will happen if his or my child call da po po. These kids are as wild as they are bcuz the parents are scared of em. My 2 kids know they will be raised by da system if they ever dare to cross me like that.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2012, 08:30:52 AM »
And as for Little Miss Dollar, I think they should have asked her if she's afraid to live with her father and if she is, they should remove her spoiled lil grown behind from the mansion and let her go into state custody where I'm sure she'll be much happier. The first thing I said when I read the articles was that they shouldve let her for to DFCS at least for a week or so. These kids think stuff like that is a joke. They think calling the police is no big deal or that going to a foster home will be better than living with their parents. Ok boo if that's what you think, GO. Cause I'll be doggoned if you're gonna stay in my house and run up my electricity and eat up my food and sleep under my blankets on the bed I bought and think you're gonna control me. Heck no. You can get out and come back when you get some sense.

I agree with this entire post.



Once you call the cops on me and have me taken to a police precinct where they take a mugshot of me for the world to see...

You need to get out of my house.

Of course if she apologizes and shows remorse and tries to reconcile then you take her back and show her grace and forgiveness.  But if she doesn't....well, you aren't going to live under my roof and come and go as you please, only to use the threat of calling the police to keep me from disciplining you. 

Go stay with a relative.  I'll give 'em some money to take care of you.  When you're 18, payments stop.  Then you can try to pay your way through college...or get a job making minimum wage.

That isn't how I WANT this to go, but if the alternative is being afraid to speak in my own home for fear of you calling the cops on me, so be it.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2012, 08:37:46 AM »
I understand what Doc is saying. I wouldn't call it "dumb" but perhaps a bit inexperienced. You can dare a child to call the police, and say what you would do and all that, but the fact is that when it happens, it's a whole other story.

I've told some of you about the time my daughter put makeup under her eye and told her guidance counselor I gave her a black eye. The short version is that she had developed a close relationship with this counselor and it gave me some sense of relief. Then one day, the lady asked if my daughter could spend the weekend with her. I thought that was inappropriate, and if nothing else, a little weird. I wasn't comfortable with it, so I said no. That was the beginning of a pretty rough chapter. My daughter had a fit and a week or so later, pulled the fake black eye thing. The police were called and social workers came in. The only thing that "saved me" was that I told her she better know what she's getting herself into because when this is all said and done, she'll be living in foster care. She started crying and the makeup started to run down her face.

The fact is, if they call the police, you can be pissed enough to want to beat them, punish them, take away all their luxuries, send them to state custody or whatever, but that doesn't change the effect it can/will have on your life... so yeah, dare them to call, but know that it'll still cost YOU either way.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2012, 08:38:47 AM »
It's not a dumb dare at all bro, it's a promise of what will happen if his or my child call da po po. These kids are as wild as they are bcuz the parents are scared of em. My 2 kids know they will be raised by da system if they ever dare to cross me like that.

+10.

Once you get the police involved it can very easily turn fatal. They can be coming to help you ... cause your medic alert bracelet went off... and you wind up dead.. so IMO getting the poilce involved in any domestic issue that doesn't warrant is risky business.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2012, 08:44:49 AM »
I agree with this entire post.



Once you call the cops on me and have me taken to a police precinct where they take a mugshot of me for the world to see...

You need to get out of my house.

Of course if she apologizes and shows remorse and tries to reconcile then you take her back and show her grace and forgiveness.  But if she doesn't....well, you aren't going to live under my roof and come and go as you please, only to use the threat of calling the police to keep me from disciplining you. 

Go stay with a relative.  I'll give 'em some money to take care of you.  When you're 18, payments stop.  Then you can try to pay your way through college...or get a job making minimum wage.

That isn't how I WANT this to go, but if the alternative is being afraid to speak in my own home for fear of you calling the cops on me, so be it.

Totally agree. No loving parent wants it to go down like that, but the alternative is worse for the family AND the child AND society as a whole.
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2012, 10:23:29 AM »
Yeah she is really stupid. Your dad has money like that and you're gonna act up and then get mad at the results of your actions? If I were her I'd be on my best behavior so I could get a fly car for my 16th birthday. lol I'm sure she's cut off now.

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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2012, 10:39:51 AM »
And as for Little Miss Dollar, I think they should have asked her if she's afraid to live with her father and if she is, they should remove her spoiled lil grown behind from the mansion and let her go into state custody where I'm sure she'll be much happier. The first thing I said when I read the articles was that they shouldve let her for to DFCS at least for a week or so. These kids think stuff like that is a joke. They think calling the police is no big deal or that going to a foster home will be better than living with their parents. Ok boo if that's what you think, GO. Cause I'll be doggoned if you're gonna stay in my house and run up my electricity and eat up my food and sleep under my blankets on the bed I bought and think you're gonna control me. Heck no. You can get out and come back when you get some sense.
AND... when you DO decide to go to DFCS custody, please find something out of the closet that your grandmother bought you for Christmas because I'll be darned if you're gonna wear the clothes and shoes I paid for.... heck no.



LMBO....

When I was talking to my parents about it, they said some of the same things. I was like "why ya'll getting riled up at me?"

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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2012, 10:41:26 AM »

LMBO....

When I was talking to my parents about it, they said some of the same things. I was like "what ya'll getting riled up at me for"?!!



My daughter said the same thing. :D I was hot as fish grease!! I told her I had a mind to put her on punishment just because. :D
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Re: Creflo Dollar: Really, when does interference with family begin?
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 11:04:19 AM »
I haven't read any of the articles, so I don't have all of the details on either side of the story.  But, from what I've read of the comments of those who did read the article, it seems to me the problem is not as much whether or not he touched her in an abusive way.  To me, it's more of what her calling the police signifies:  She's not taking account of HER OWN wrong-doing.  I see so much of this in society today.  It's sad.
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