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Re: Chik Filet vs Chi,Boston,San Fran + more
« Reply #140 on: August 04, 2012, 11:59:03 AM »
I'll remember that LM.Cool thing here @ LGM is I think most folks realize I'm not into disrespecting them.

No offense meant either,but I was wondering the same thing as MoC mentions;it looks like you take umbrage @ CHRISTians' conduct but a free pass to others.

Steel sharpens steel;worse case is we have grace.Others may not have that and benefit from having their feet held to the fire(about lifestyle aspects.)

There used to be a poem(?) about someone facing the hellfire because nobody spoke truth to them.Have to see if I can find/post.

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« Reply #141 on: August 04, 2012, 12:23:31 PM »
I'll remember that LM.Cool thing here @ LGM is I think most folks realize I'm not into disrespecting them.

No offense meant either,but I was wondering the same thing as MoC mentions;it looks like you take umbrage @ CHRISTians' conduct but a free pass to others.

Steel sharpens steel;worse case is we have grace.Others may not have that and benefit from having their feet held to the fire(about lifestyle aspects.)

There used to be a poem(?) about someone facing the hellfire because nobody spoke truth to them.Have to see if I can find/post.

Thanks for hearing me out.  And yes, while the folks of LGM all know that you wouldn't disrespect us, there are a lot of lurkers or even folks that might do a Google search and end up on this thread... and some of them might be gay and struggling, backsliders, suicidal, whatever. So for you to say that they don't want the love of God, it could feel disrespectful or even hateful to them. And worse, they could take that as further proof that Christians are hypocritical. So yes, we who are here know your heart and can believe you when you explain what you meant, others may just take it at face value. That's all I'm saying... words are weapons and we gotta choose 'em carefully, especially when we put them online for all the world to see.

I do take umbrage at Christians who demonstrate hate in their actions and words (not saying you did, I'm just speaking about Christians in general). It makes it harder for the rest of us to reach the lost when the lost are so accustomed to being hated and/or looked down on by Christians. A lot of it is in our attitudes and behaviors, even if we don't say it aloud. I don't give a 'free pass' to anyone, but I do hold the saints to a higher standard because I expect us to be holy. As my pastor says, I expect sinners to sin, so it doesn't surprise me or make me uncomfortable when they do. But I expect better from the saints. I expect us to watch our words and keep our flesh under subjection.  I expect us to be humble and not boastful, arrogant or prideful. I expect us to be loving and not hateful. I think we focus so much on what gay people are doing, and forget our own responsibility. Sinners aren't supposed to live holy. WE are. Sin is sin, and all sin is wrong (ALLLLLLLLLL sin). I've never said anything contrary to that. I just won't focus on one sin because even though extremists will tell us that one sin will ruin the whole world, I know that all sin brings reproach to a nation. Before I start preaching on homosexuality, I will preach on ALL sin: gossip, meanness, lying, hatred, racism, theft, malice, self-righteousness, poor stewardship, fornication, adultery.... all of it.

We've been down this road before, you and I, so we both know how the other feels about evangelism. Your approach is different from mine, and as always, I refer you to I Cor 12. It takes all parts of the body to make it function properly. We tend to fish the way we were caught. Those who were scared into salvation tend to preach fire and brimstone, and that's fine. Those who were drawn with lovingkindness tend to draw others the same way, and that's fine too. Those who were compelled by the harsh-truth approach tend to use that approach, and that's fine as well. He who wins souls is wise. Use whatever God gave you to win souls, and I shall do the same. I can't speak for anyone on LGM or elsewhere, but I know that on that great day, my record will show how many gay people came to Christ through me and my ministry. I can give you names and numbers if you'd like to verify. What I'm doing works. And if what you're doing yields results as well, then by all means, keep up the great work. It's all about glorifying GOD, not making ourselves feel righteous because we are heterosexual and married to gorgeous/handsome spouses. It's all about Jesus, and we all need to remember that.
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Re: Chik Filet vs Chi,Boston,San Fran + more
« Reply #142 on: August 04, 2012, 12:43:28 PM »
Too much has been said for me to try to quote and respond, so I'll just say this:

I've been a Christian most of my life, and I've learned one key thing about myself- I'm not qualified to judge anyone about anything.  Moreover, I've learned that the judgement that I mete out will be measured right back to me.  As a result, my position toward anyone is just to love them.  Unconditionally. Period.  The funny thing is, over my adult life, many of the gay friends that I've made came to a full knowledge of the Lord and His will for them, simply as a result of my love toward them.  I didn't preach at them.  I didn't tell them how wrong their lifestyle was.  I didn't debate or argue with them.  I just loved them with the same type of love Christ showed me while I was yet in sin. 

I firmly believe that if we Christians would remember where we came from and remember the love and the mercy and the grace that was shown to us while we were far away from the will of God, and walk in the love that we were COMMANDED to show, then we wouldn't be having this discussion today.

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« Reply #143 on: August 04, 2012, 12:59:05 PM »
Too much has been said for me to try to quote and respond, so I'll just say this:

I've been a Christian most of my life, and I've learned one key thing about myself- I'm not qualified to judge anyone about anything.  Moreover, I've learned that the judgement that I mete out will be measured right back to me.  As a result, my position toward anyone is just to love them.  Unconditionally. Period.  The funny thing is, over my adult life, many of the gay friends that I've made came to a full knowledge of the Lord and His will for them, simply as a result of my love toward them.  I didn't preach at them.  I didn't tell them how wrong their lifestyle was.  I didn't debate or argue with them.  I just loved them with the same type of love Christ showed me while I was yet in sin

I firmly believe that if we Christians would remember where we came from and remember the love and the mercy and the grace that was shown to us while we were far away from the will of God, and walk in the love that we were COMMANDED to show, then we wouldn't be having this discussion today.


That's all I'm saying.
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« Reply #144 on: August 04, 2012, 01:18:06 PM »
Lets put this all in context

I think we are talking about 2 different groups.

The group Laylamonroe is referring to are the "suicide watch" people who are struggling with homosexuality

The group i and a couple others are talking about, are those who are NOT struggling, but INSIST ON IMPOSING THIER SINFUL OPININON ON OTHERS!

.Thats a different groups.

Since this threat is about the chick-fil-a protersters who are ardently pro-gay and unrepentant gays who want supremacy....i dont see how the struggling gays are relavant to this thread since they are a seperate group

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« Reply #145 on: August 04, 2012, 01:44:05 PM »
Lets put this all in context

I think we are talking about 2 different groups.

The group Laylamonroe is referring to are the "suicide watch" people who are struggling with homosexuality

The group i and a couple others are talking about, are those who are NOT struggling, but INSIST ON IMPOSING THIER SINFUL OPININON ON OTHERS!

.Thats a different groups.

Since this threat is about the chick-fil-a protersters who are ardently pro-gay and unrepentant gays who want supremacy....i dont see how the struggling gays are relavant to this thread since they are a seperate group

Please do not speak for me.
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Re: Chik Filet vs Chi,Boston,San Fran + more
« Reply #146 on: August 04, 2012, 02:33:18 PM »
Lets put this all in context

I think we are talking about 2 different groups.

The group Laylamonroe is referring to are the "suicide watch" people who are struggling with homosexuality

The group i and a couple others are talking about, are those who are NOT struggling, but INSIST ON IMPOSING THIER SINFUL OPININON ON OTHERS!

.Thats a different groups.

Since this threat is about the chick-fil-a protersters who are ardently pro-gay and unrepentant gays who want supremacy....i dont see how the struggling gays are relavant to this thread since they are a seperate group


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« Reply #147 on: August 04, 2012, 02:34:28 PM »



RIGHT.

I'm doing so much better. I had typed so much stuff, posted it and everything. Thank God for that lil 'modify' button.

Suicide watch gays. Supremacist gays. I just give up.
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« Reply #148 on: August 04, 2012, 02:34:44 PM »
Thanks for hearing me out.  And yes, while the folks of LGM all know that you wouldn't disrespect us, there are a lot of lurkers or even folks that might do a Google search and end up on this thread... and some of them might be gay and struggling, backsliders, suicidal, whatever. So for you to say that they don't want the love of God, it could feel disrespectful or even hateful to them. And worse, they could take that as further proof that Christians are hypocritical. So yes, we who are here know your heart and can believe you when you explain what you meant, others may just take it at face value. That's all I'm saying... words are weapons and we gotta choose 'em carefully, especially when we put them online for all the world to see.

I do take umbrage at Christians who demonstrate hate in their actions and words (not saying you did, I'm just speaking about Christians in general). It makes it harder for the rest of us to reach the lost when the lost are so accustomed to being hated and/or looked down on by Christians. A lot of it is in our attitudes and behaviors, even if we don't say it aloud. I don't give a 'free pass' to anyone, but I do hold the saints to a higher standard because I expect us to be holy. As my pastor says, I expect sinners to sin, so it doesn't surprise me or make me uncomfortable when they do. But I expect better from the saints. I expect us to watch our words and keep our flesh under subjection.  I expect us to be humble and not boastful, arrogant or prideful. I expect us to be loving and not hateful. I think we focus so much on what gay people are doing, and forget our own responsibility. Sinners aren't supposed to live holy. WE are. Sin is sin, and all sin is wrong (ALLLLLLLLLL sin). I've never said anything contrary to that. I just won't focus on one sin because even though extremists will tell us that one sin will ruin the whole world, I know that all sin brings reproach to a nation. Before I start preaching on homosexuality, I will preach on ALL sin: gossip, meanness, lying, hatred, racism, theft, malice, self-righteousness, poor stewardship, fornication, adultery.... all of it.

We've been down this road before, you and I, so we both know how the other feels about evangelism. Your approach is different from mine, and as always, I refer you to I Cor 12. It takes all parts of the body to make it function properly. We tend to fish the way we were caught. Those who were scared into salvation tend to preach fire and brimstone, and that's fine. Those who were drawn with lovingkindness tend to draw others the same way, and that's fine too. Those who were compelled by the harsh-truth approach tend to use that approach, and that's fine as well. He who wins souls is wise. Use whatever God gave you to win souls, and I shall do the same. I can't speak for anyone on LGM or elsewhere, but I know that on that great day, my record will show how many gay people came to Christ through me and my ministry. I can give you names and numbers if you'd like to verify. What I'm doing works. And if what you're doing yields results as well, then by all means, keep up the great work. It's all about glorifying GOD, not making ourselves feel righteous because we are heterosexual and married to gorgeous/handsome spouses. It's all about Jesus, and we all need to remember that.

best post of 2012.
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« Reply #149 on: August 04, 2012, 02:38:25 PM »
Please do not speak for me.

You already spoke for yourself when you said that someone could be reading this and feel discouraged or suicidal.

CLEARLY you are talking about the gays who struggle with gayness, not the ones who angrily hate Christians.

You also said earlier that gays h8 Christians because of Christian's "rudeness"
You are clearly taking about the group who struggled and Christians didnt help them.

I AM TALKNIG ABOUT A DIFFERENT GROUP THAN YOU.

AND the group you are referring to is irrelevant to this post.

A gay person who boycots a resteraunt because of the owner's religious beleifs HAS NO ROOM IN THIER HEART FOR OUR COMPASSION, THEY HATE US BECAUSE OF OUR FAITH.

This is like the time Jesus said "WOE TO YOU PHARISEES" The pharisees had hardened hearts and hated God, they were not these vulnerable beings who just needed a little bit of kindness as you describe your target group of gays to be.

The group this threat is discussing are the ones who CAMPAIGN AGAINST CHRIST......Totally different!

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« Reply #150 on: August 04, 2012, 02:52:43 PM »
@101, you don't know me. Period. The folks in this thread know me. You don't. I'm not even going to bother responding to you any further. I believe the enemy is using this thread to try to trick me into compromising my witness, because what I really want to say isn't cool at all... so I'm just gonna practice self-restraint even if I have to openly talk myself into it.
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« Reply #151 on: August 04, 2012, 02:56:49 PM »
This has been a VERY good thread for me. The so-called quote-unquote-sympathizers worded my thoughts so much better than I could have.

I honestly think that bullies, abusers, rapists, pedophiles, etc. etc. (the ones whom it is acceptable to bash) should get the same consideration. I know that's a bit OT, and I understand it's a slightly different situation as they are actively hurting other people, but still. The love seems to be so sparse for them.


Also... so many Freudian slips in this thread it's not even funny.

Agree with the whole post. As for the part in bold, it is sparse indeed, but not from me. My record (here) shows that.
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« Reply #152 on: August 04, 2012, 03:00:18 PM »
best post of 2012.

Thanks, but you must not have gotten to Malthumb's and LL's posts yet. I think those were far better. Not being falsely humble either, I really think those were the best ever.
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« Reply #153 on: August 04, 2012, 03:04:08 PM »
@101, you don't know me. Period. The folks in this thread know me. You don't. I'm not even going to bother responding to you any further. I believe the enemy is using this thread to try to trick me into compromising my witness, because what I really want to say isn't cool at all... so I'm just gonna practice self-restraint even if I have to openly talk myself into it.

1) You said that a person's words reveal who they are inside right? well that applies to you too! Your words on this thread let me know a lot more about you than you think.

2) No one is "supposed to sin" you said  sinners arent supposed to get it right, well the truth is everybody, is accountable for getting it right regardless of whether or not they know Christ, Thats the whole point of Christ telling us to make disciples of ALL men.

3) How can you say that the"enemy is using this thread" when earlier you said that gays hating Christians has nothing to do with the enemy? Either you beleive in spiritual struggles or you dont, YOu cant have it both ways.

4) For your "witness" to be valid it must meet the standards of God's Holy Word! If your witness is that gay is not a sin, then your witness contradicts God's Word (Romans 1).

5) I will try to get you to understand me one more time. I am only speaking of the homosexuals who ACTIVELY ASSUALT OUR FAITH
NOT THE ONES WHO DONT'!



IF SOMEONE ASSUALTS OUR FAITH THEY ARE NOT JUST A "PERSON WHO NEEDS A GOOD CODDLING" THEY NEED A SERIOUS PERSON TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY SHOULDNT ASSUALT THE FAITH. JESUS NEVER CODDLED SATAN SO WHY SHOULD WE CODDLE PEOPLE WHO H8 CHRIST?

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« Reply #154 on: August 04, 2012, 03:07:05 PM »
You already spoke for yourself when you said that someone could be reading this and feel discouraged or suicidal.

CLEARLY you are talking about the gays who struggle with gayness, not the ones who angrily hate Christians.

You also said earlier that gays h8 Christians because of Christian's "rudeness"
You are clearly taking about the group who struggled and Christians didnt help them.

I AM TALKNIG ABOUT A DIFFERENT GROUP THAN YOU.

AND the group you are referring to is irrelevant to this post.

A gay person who boycots a resteraunt because of the owner's religious beleifs HAS NO ROOM IN THIER HEART FOR OUR COMPASSION, THEY HATE US BECAUSE OF OUR FAITH.

This is like the time Jesus said "WOE TO YOU PHARISEES" The pharisees had hardened hearts and hated God, they were not these vulnerable beings who just needed a little bit of kindness as you describe your target group of gays to be.

The group this threat is discussing are the ones who CAMPAIGN AGAINST CHRIST......Totally different!

My brother, you're doing alot of speaking for alot of ppl.  No disrespect, but how do you know who doesnt have any room in their heart?  And any person that does not claim Christ as Lord and Savior and lives according to the Word is against Him and living in sin.  Why are you trying to separate them into "Able to be saved" and "Not able?" by their attitude towards Christianity?  This brings into question faith in what God can do.  Remember Paul killed and hunted Christians?  Could you imagine trying to witness to him?  But what happened?  God changed his heart and he made a complete change.  We now have that spirit in us.  Just because someone shows hate to the Christian life does not disqualify them to the love, grace, and mercy they should be shown by us (Rom 12:18).  God can do anything. 
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« Reply #155 on: August 04, 2012, 03:08:12 PM »
1) You said that a person's words reveal who they are inside right? well that applies to you too! Your words on this thread let me know a lot more about you than you think.

2) No one is "supposed to sin" you said  sinners arent supposed to get it right, well the truth is everybody, is accountable for getting it right regardless of whether or not they know Christ, Thats the whole point of Christ telling us to make disciples of ALL men.

3) How can you say that the"enemy is using this thread" when earlier you said that gays hating Christians has nothing to do with the enemy? Either you beleive in spiritual struggles or you dont, YOu cant have it both ways.

4) For your "witness" to be valid it must meet the standards of God's Holy Word! If your witness is that gay is not a sin, then your witness contradicts God's Word (Romans 1).

5) I will try to get you to understand me one more time. I am only speaking of the homosexuals who ACTIVELY ASSUALT OUR FAITH
NOT THE ONES WHO DONT'!



IF SOMEONE ASSUALTS OUR FAITH THEY ARE NOT JUST A "PERSON WHO NEEDS A GOOD CODDLING" THEY NEED A SERIOUS PERSON TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY SHOULDNT ASSUALT THE FAITH. JESUS NEVER CODDLED SATAN SO WHY SHOULD WE CODDLE PEOPLE WHO H8 CHRIST?

I give up.


:D :D :D :D :D :D

But I thank you for this post. It says everything. :D
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« Reply #156 on: August 04, 2012, 03:14:15 PM »
My brother, you're doing alot of speaking for alot of ppl.  No disrespect, but how do you know who doesnt have any room in their heart?  And any person that does not claim Christ as Lord and Savior and lives according to the Word is against Him and living in sin.  Why are you trying to separate them into "Able to be saved" and "Not able?" by their attitude towards Christianity?  This brings into question faith in what God can do.  Remember Paul killed and hunted Christians?  Could you imagine trying to witness to him?  But what happened?  God changed his heart and he made a complete change.  We now have that spirit in us.  Just because someone shows hate to the Christian life does not disqualify them to the love, grace, and mercy they should be shown by us (Rom 12:18).  God can do anything.

I'm not talking about what God can and should do, I am talking about what we can and shouldn't do!
My response is kinda complex so i will try to make it short.

 1) As for who "can and can't be saved" I never said that we Christians should sit in the condemnation seat and sentence the anti-Christians to hell. But what i AM SAYING IS THIS

The Bible calls us not to associate with people who cling to thier foolishness (Proverbs 14:7)
SO while we don't condemn the gay who h8ts Christians, we should not just act like what they are doing is O.K. and coddle them and associate with them.
 We pray for them:yes
 We show kindess to them: yes
 We have Godly love for them as for all men: yes
 We coddle them and act like its ok to be gay: NO

Thats basicaly my point.

2) Paul was a special case because he was a pharisee. Phariseed were a theistic people and believed in the comming of the messiah. Paul just didnt beleive Jesus was the messiah at first. But once Christ came to him He beleived.

Most of the gay - anti-Christians i have encountered h8 the idea of God existing. Thats a lot different from an ardent jew.

Not saying God cant change them, im just saying this is a different situation.

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« Reply #157 on: August 04, 2012, 03:15:59 PM »
*sigh*

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« Reply #158 on: August 04, 2012, 03:17:26 PM »
Wow...went with the big font and e'erthang lol. *done*
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« Reply #159 on: August 04, 2012, 03:36:19 PM »
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