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[sjonathan02]

Phony interjection was not meant to be a litteral quotation of you.

Phony interjection is another way to say foolish words thrown into a discussion (which you did accuse me of doing)

I was indirectly quoting you. it was not meant to be verbatim


You would think my ability to say what you said in different words would evidence my good reading comprehension but i digress.

I am well-read and able to understand what you have said.

The fact is......you cannot state that NO one hates me because of the Spirit of Christ

Especially when Jesus said that would happen in( Matthew 5:11)

In a conversation, such as this one with the magnitude of the topic, one needs to quote people verbatim so as to eliminate confusion. 

*I only say this because, allegedly, LM's not comin' back*

[Manofchrist101]

In a conversation, such as this one with the magnitude of the topic, one needs to quote people verbatim so as to eliminate confusion. 

*I only say this because, allegedly, LM's not comin' back*

thanks for the heads-up...i was trying to be concise but exactness is best here.

[LaylaMonroe]

You ARE being modest.  One post does not compare to a consistent vein of reason and teaching......

Except for LL's post which has so much wisdom in so few words.  Sometimes we all over think things.  LL laid it out the way it tis!  Or at least the way it should be.

Ok now I'm cracking up because I was trying to think of the word "modest" and couldn't... I knew it started with an m, but for the life of me, I couldn't think of the word. I even typed in [can't think of the word I wanna use] but then I deleted it and went with 'falsely humble' which sounds all remedial English-ish...

But seriously, you have a way with words. I tend to get all emotional and wordy and stuff. You (and a couple of others) have a way of saying some pretty profound stuff with great simplicity. Yeah, you (and LL) said in ONE POST what I was trying to say in like 40 posts... LOL

In a conversation, such as this one with the magnitude of the topic, one needs to quote people verbatim so as to eliminate confusion. 

*I only say this because, allegedly, LM's not comin' back*

LOL. Not that I'm not coming back, I'm just not engaging in discussion with 101 any further on this thread.

[SisterCM]

I love this song!

Me too.  and It is an easy song to play on the piano.  I am learning it next week.

[SisterCM]

amen...

Let The Church Say A-Men!

[LaylaMonroe]

Let The Church Say A-Men!

[SisterCM]

me  too!

[funkStrat_97]

I don't think the GBLT care about LORD's love.They have purposely chosen a path 180 degress from what LORD says.At best,they want to live in a "parallel" universe,having some semblance of "normalcy"(families/kids).This is rebellion-they want it 'their way".

Here is where I feel there is a disconnect between the majority of the Christian community and the homosexual community.  We insist that is a choice that they make...they insist that it's just the way they are just as we are they way we are with respect to our heterosexuality.  So what I find that gays and lesbians are not merely against our faith, but the perception that we are trying to make them into something that they are not.  If it is in you to be gay, then you're gay.  It doesn't matter if you go through the motions of getting married and even having children, the fact is that the desire is still there and will demand to be fulfilled.  So when we keep trying to tell them that they are immoral and that they need to "do what is right in the sight of God", it's kind of pointless.  For one, many of them don't believe in God at all.  We live in a society of competing and contradictory values and what is held dear by some is despised by others.  As citizens of this nation, we are entitled to the rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness regardless of our religious persuasion.  We have the the rights of freedom of religion which includes the right to have no religion at all.  So when we, who believe, tell those who don't believe that they have to do things our way or God's way, we come across as bigoted because we are in effect infringing on their right to just be.

[THE WOLFMAN]

*wonders how come Sjon dont grill like he used to....*

[LaylaMonroe]

I agree with W*cough*

I agree with Wo*cough* *cough*

Ugh... what is wrong with my shroat? *ahem*

I agree with Wol*cough, cough, cough, hack, cough, ahem, cough, sniffle*

Oh forget it.

[sjonathan02]

Me too.  and It is an easy song to play on the piano.  I am learning it next week.

I'm trying to learn it.

[Manofchrist101]

Here is where I feel there is a disconnect between the majority of the Christian community and the homosexual community.  We insist that is a choice that they make...they insist that it's just the way they are just as we are they way we are with respect to our heterosexuality.  So what I find that gays and lesbians are not merely against our faith, but the perception that we are trying to make them into something that they are not.  If it is in you to be gay, then you're gay.  It doesn't matter if you go through the motions of getting married and even having children, the fact is that the desire is still there and will demand to be fulfilled.  So when we keep trying to tell them that they are immoral and that they need to "do what is right in the sight of God", it's kind of pointless.  For one, many of them don't believe in God at all.  We live in a society of competing and contradictory values and what is held dear by some is despised by others.  As citizens of this nation, we are entitled to the rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness regardless of our religious persuasion.  We have the the rights of freedom of religion which includes the right to have no religion at all.  So when we, who believe, tell those who don't believe that they have to do things our way or God's way, we come across as bigoted because we are in effect infringing on their right to just be.

Your point has much to do with the debate over whether or not gay is a choice people make.

While i have seen some people willingly choose homosexuality, and tell me they chose it on thier own. I do understand that many gay people feel like it was always present with them. Let me give examples of each side

Side A (sexuality being a choice)
In high school i was a peer mentor and i listened to multiple women who told me they were striaght but then experimented with other women and became bisexual. Also i heard many women who told me they were gay but tried a man, liked it and stayed striaght after that..................

Side B(sexuality is not a choice)
I did lots of research and talked to many people on the subject who were Christian and told me of Christians who were homosexual, tried to fight against thier homosexuality and ended up losing thier self esteem and killing themselves.




After hearing this debate so much i have come to the conclusion that it doesnt matter if people are born gay or not.

The fact it because of the sins of adam, we are ALL BORN with the capacity to sin. For some thats alchoholism, for some thats rape, for some thats homosexuality.  I think all of us are born with the inclination to sin because of being creatures of the flesh. But that doesnt mean we should stay that way.

In a way it makes us more grateful for Christs cleansing power.

[blyempowered]

I've put most of my opinions on my blog blyempowered.tumblr.com with grammatical errors all over probably....LOL!

[SirTJ]

I'm away from LGM for one day, and y'all decide to cut up. On a SATURDAY, no less. 

BTW, the discussion should've ended here:

Too much has been said for me to try to quote and respond, so I'll just say this:

I've been a Christian most of my life, and I've learned one key thing about myself- I'm not qualified to judge anyone about anything.  Moreover, I've learned that the judgement that I mete out will be measured right back to me.  As a result, my position toward anyone is just to love them.  Unconditionally. Period.  The funny thing is, over my adult life, many of the gay friends that I've made came to a full knowledge of the Lord and His will for them, simply as a result of my love toward them.  I didn't preach at them.  I didn't tell them how wrong their lifestyle was.  I didn't debate or argue with them.  I just loved them with the same type of love Christ showed me while I was yet in sin. 

I firmly believe that if we Christians would remember where we came from and remember the love and the mercy and the grace that was shown to us while we were far away from the will of God, and walk in the love that we were COMMANDED to show, then we wouldn't be having this discussion today.

[SisterCM]

I'm trying to learn it.

Do you have a midi?

[sjonathan02]

Do you have a midi?

No, I don't. 

[sjonathan02]

I'm away from LGM for one day, and y'all decide to cut up. On a SATURDAY, no less. 

BTW, the discussion should've ended here:

I agree.

[funkStrat_97]

Your point has much to do with the debate over whether or not gay is a choice people make.

While i have seen some people willingly choose homosexuality, and tell me they chose it on thier own. I do understand that many gay people feel like it was always present with them. Let me give examples of each side

Side A (sexuality being a choice)
In high school i was a peer mentor and i listened to multiple women who told me they were striaght but then experimented with other women and became bisexual. Also i heard many women who told me they were gay but tried a man, liked it and stayed striaght after that..................

Side B(sexuality is not a choice)
I did lots of research and talked to many people on the subject who were Christian and told me of Christians who were homosexual, tried to fight against thier homosexuality and ended up losing thier self esteem and killing themselves.




After hearing this debate so much i have come to the conclusion that it doesnt matter if people are born gay or not.

The fact it because of the sins of adam, we are ALL BORN with the capacity to sin. For some thats alchoholism, for some thats rape, for some thats homosexuality.  I think all of us are born with the inclination to sin because of being creatures of the flesh. But that doesnt mean we should stay that way.

In a way it makes us more grateful for Christs cleansing power.

Well I agree that we are all born with a sin nature and homosexuality is a sin, but; can we categorize homosexual orientation in the same manner as alcoholism, rape, etc.?  Are people actually born alcoholics (or whatever particular sin suits their fancy)?  Sexuality deals with some of the deepest aspects of who and what we are and attempts to modify or "correct" it can have devastating effects on a person.  The fact of the matter is that so-called ex-gay ministries and therapies have been proven failures (there seems to be a rather high rate of recidivism because people are being shoehorned into something that just doesn't fit them).  As far as I can see, THE only escape from this is for God himself to change the very core nature of the individual. 

[LaylaMonroe]

Well I agree that we are all born with a sin nature and homosexuality is a sin, but; can we categorize homosexual orientation in the same manner as alcoholism, rape, etc.?  Are people actually born alcoholics (or whatever particular sin suits their fancy)?  Sexuality deals with some of the deepest aspects of who and what we are and attempts to modify or "correct" it can have devastating effects on a person.  The fact of the matter is that so-called ex-gay ministries and therapies have been proven failures (there seems to be a rather high rate of recidivism because people are being shoehorned into something that just doesn't fit them).  As far as I can see, THE only escape from this is for God himself to change the very core nature of the individual. 

I agree with that. And as for the last sentence, this is the very struggle of so many church-going homosexuals. They believe that the only escape is for God to change their nature, and after years and years of begging, pleading, praying, fasting, asking, counseling, praising, turning-around-three-times, books, conferences and everything else, there has been no change... that's gotta be hard on the spirit and emotions. What I hear from every one of them is if it's such a sin and God hates it so much, why did he make me/allow me to be this way? Why won't he change me? I WANT to be delivered and I've done everything they've told me to do, so why am I still attracted to SGL relationships?

I think this is (one small) part of the reason we never find out what Paul's thorn in his side was. (And for those who can't read... lol... no, I'm not saying Paul was gay). Paul's thorn could be anything, and it lets us know that whatever our struggle is, even if God won't deliver us from it, we are still expected to live holy. Like I tell those who ask me, if it means you have to live solo forever, it's the price you have to pay to crucify your flesh and pick up the cross and serve God. There are things that I will simply never be able to do (but still want to) all because I chose the cross. The problem is that so many people live by the creed "until God takes it away from me, this is just who I am" -- and I'm talking about people in general, not just gays. I've counseled countless young people even here on LGM that are struggling with fornication, domestic violence, sexuality and drugs. And they all give me the same creed: I can't help it... I'm waiting on God to take it from me... yada yada yada. That may be true, but UNTIL HE TAKES IT, you still have to live holy. And if he never takes it, you still have to live holy.

And I also agree that alcoholism doesn't fit in here. While there is a predisposition to the disease, you have to first engage in unhealthy drinking in order to realize that disease. Homosexuality can (and often does) rear its head before there is ever any sexual or intimate contact at all.

[Manofchrist101]

Well I agree that we are all born with a sin nature and homosexuality is a sin, but; can we categorize homosexual orientation in the same manner as alcoholism, rape, etc.?  Are people actually born alcoholics (or whatever particular sin suits their fancy)?  Sexuality deals with some of the deepest aspects of who and what we are and attempts to modify or "correct" it can have devastating effects on a person.  The fact of the matter is that so-called ex-gay ministries and therapies have been proven failures (there seems to be a rather high rate of recidivism because people are being shoehorned into something that just doesn't fit them).  As far as I can see, THE only escape from this is for God himself to change the very core nature of the individual.

The only reason i mentioned alchoholism was to give an example of a type of sin that was brought on by a bad choice, just like the people in the "Group A" that i mentioned.

As for rape and other violent sins......My wife is a biology researcher and she has told me that some people are born with chromosomal defects that make them more likely to be overly aggressive and commit violent acts. So all i was trying to say was that sin nature is a part of us all, whether it be through life experiences and bad choices, or whether or not it was something we are born with.

But either way, we are grateful that God can heal us.