(schisms) CHURCH SPLIT (schisms)

[Hasmonean1]

Have you ever been apart of one?

What is your take on them?

Did it work out for both sides or one?

In your opinion, good or bad for the church involved?

[lordluvr]

Have you ever been apart of one?

What is your take on them?

Did it work out for both sides or one?

In your opinion, good or bad for the church involved?

I was unwittingly a part of one when I was a kid.  Apparently, there was a segment of the officers of the church that didn't agree with the pastor on something.  It became a big public thing, and it basically forced the members to choose sides or leave.  My parents sided with the pastor.  He ended up leaving (or getting forced out.  I don't remember) and forming another church.  This was many years ago.  The original church is still thriving (under the guy that replaced my former pastor), and the former pastor ended up retiring a few years back. 

While it didn't cause division in my family, my grandparents (on my mother's side) continued to maintain ties with the old church.  My granfather often preached there.  In fact, his funeral was there.  But, my parents- and my dad's side of the family- continued to support the old pastor.  When I was old enough to decide for myself, I stayed with the new church for a little while, for no other reason than that's what I was accustomed to.

[churchyreal]

Have you ever been apart of one?

What is your take on them?

Did it work out for both sides or one?

In your opinion, good or bad for the church involved?

We had a church split in 2004. Basically the pastor at that time had removed our church from a Baptist Association into an Episcopal organization around 2002. That already caused a lot of problems in itself but at the point of 2004 membership was declining, attendance was declining, money was declining and the pastor was getting ready to remove people from offices.

Basically the pastor tried to remove the Chairmans of the Deacon and Trustee Boards. After that a petition went around the community to remove the Pastor. Once word of this got around the pastor padlocked the church and a meeting with members was held at a town hall meeting place in the city. Some of the ones who supported the pastor came in the meeting and basically created an uproar. Then the pastor was served papers and came back to the church to get his stuff.

Basically that was a split that happened in 2004. At the time I had left already because I was upset at the direction of the church, more specially the music ministry. About a couple weeks later the members asked me to play for our reopening service and ever since then I have played for our church.

Almost 5 years later there is still some bitterness about the situation from former members who left with the former pastor. But our church has grown and baptized more people in the last 4 years then probably our former pastor had baptized in his last 5 to 10 years there. There are still some who visit our church every now and then but I think there is a spirit from some of the people who left to move on a forget the past and work together even though that probably will never happen.

[Loopy]

In reality, we are ALL a part of a church schism. All our churches and organizations came from somewhere else.

[LaylaMonroe]

I agree, Loop. The history of these organizations (even the non-denoms) is so fascinating to me.

Just the other day, I realized I was confused about the split history of the church I was born and raised in. Growing up, I remember learning that we were a split from COOLJC. Then, I had a vague recollection of being told we were PAW.

I did some homework just this past week.
I haven't personally experienced a split the way the OP is talking about. But a few years ago, a friend of mine left our church to start his own church. A whole heap of people went with him. The church that remained was also split because of some issues with the pastor, so that one church became 3. And that 1 church, now that I think about it, was a split also.

Of the 3, 1 is now defunct and one is hanging on by a prayer.

[Hasmonean1]

In reality, we are ALL a part of a church schism. All our churches and organizations came from somewhere else.

I hear ya loopy.  I guess I was referring to a split occurring while you were apart of said church.  I haven't been in a church that split.  However the church to which I got saved did have a split after I left (moved out of town).  The Pastor had started the church from ground up and was there more than 20 years.  Being apart of the AOH organization, there come times when the leadership would change pastors for whatever reason.  My former pastor was set to be moved due to new leadership in AOH.  He was not happy and he got out of the organization.  Last I heard he was doing well.  The church he left is doing fine too.  I know it can be awkward for those who live in the same city but go to the separte churches though.  My father-in-law is a pastor and had his church split.  The separated faction is no longer together.  His home church in Detroit had a split that carried deep wounds with it.  It's been over 25 years since and there is still talk of what happened way back when.

[Loopy]

I hear ya loopy.  I guess I was referring to a split occurring while you were apart of said church. 

OK gotcha. I haven't personally been in a particular church that split while I was there.

I agree, Loop. The history of these organizations (even the non-denoms) is so fascinating to me.

Agreed. It is fascinating indeed.

Being apart of the AOH organization, there come times when the leadership would change pastors for whatever reason. 

What's AOH? I don't know if I've heard of that one.

[LaylaMonroe]

AOH is something else, honey... wooooooHOOOO... the stories I could tell you. *SMH and LOL*

I think it might be more common in certain regions.  I only heard of it when I started spending time in Alabama.

And that's all I'll say about that. LOL

[chevonee]

This is why in my hometown (Eastman, GA) we had a church on each corner. The sad part about it is the churches only had two or three people in em...but one of the members would say that DA LAWD called them to Pastor and they'd take their family and create a new church. Stuff like this just baffles me to deaf.

[LaylaMonroe]

My father-in-law is a pastor and had his church split.  The separated faction is no longer together.  His home church in Detroit had a split that carried deep wounds with it.  It's been over 25 years since and there is still talk of what happened way back when.

That reminds me of the Bible Way split... now there's one split that will not go away... lol.  I mean, any time you mention Bible Way, folks start out by saying "which Bible Way?" And it's almost always followed by a long explanation of the split and an argument of which one is the "real" BW... it's just a mess.  And a sad one, too.

[pastor rob]

OK gotcha. I haven't personally been in a particular church that split while I was there.

Agreed. It is fascinating indeed.

What's AOH? I don't know if I've heard of that one.

apostolic overcoming holiness

[NuJerC3]

That reminds me of the Bible Way split... now there's one split that will not go away... lol.  I mean, any time you mention Bible Way, folks start out by saying "which Bible Way?" And it's almost always followed by a long explanation of the split and an argument of which one is the "real" BW... it's just a mess.  And a sad one, too.

Goodness gracious, being part of one of the Bible Ways, I can cosign that "which Bible Way?" is always the first question asked...11 years later!  

Thankfully, our respective young peoples departments stayed close and kept fellowship(in Jersey and Pennsylvania anyway). Now our churches are back in fellowship  , although any hope for a full fledged reunion is gone.

[csedwards2]

AOH is something else, honey... wooooooHOOOO... the stories I could tell you. *SMH and LOL*

I think it might be more common in certain regions.  I only heard of it when I started spending time in Alabama.

And that's all I'll say about that. LOL

need to hear some of those stories. Just visited one yesterday. Picked up on some stuff, in my brief stint

[csedwards2]

I think when someone said holiness on the mic, a  couple members of the choir/pulpit would chime in "Holiness is right"

Another thing; from what I gathered from my one visit, they sound like they still believe in tarrying. Although they didnt mention the actual word.


Funny thing happened;

I sat in front of this elderly lady, and she whispered to me, "Is this your first time? Dont worry, you'll see how everything goes." I thought this was peculiar, because Im thinking, what do I need to see; its just church, right? Anyway, I carried on, not really giving much thought to what she said. At the end of service, she further explained that she was still waiting for the Holy Ghost, or the manifestation of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues, and would I pray for her. I agreed and got her name. It was just weird though because it was like she felt less than, because she didnt speak in tongues, and perhaps that feeling was given to her by something that was said.......

[LaylaMonroe]

*note to self: reply tomorrow*

[phbrown]

*note to self: reply tomorrow*

This is your reminder to reply

[AOHMusician]

AOH is something else, honey... wooooooHOOOO... the stories I could tell you. *SMH and LOL*

I think it might be more common in certain regions.  I only heard of it when I started spending time in Alabama.

And that's all I'll say about that. LOL

As you can tell I am AOH born and raised and I do appreciate what it has taught me over the years about living holy. There is a lot of misinformation going on about the Church, what we believe, why we believe them, etc.

Sadly, there was a time when AOH experienced its time of turmoil but we have sought to leave the past behind us by making some much needed changes to our procedures.

To all of my current and fellow AOH brothers and sisters, Praise the Lord!!!

[Hasmonean1]

As you can tell I am AOH born and raised and I do appreciate what it has taught me over the years about living holy. There is a lot of misinformation going on about the Church, what we believe, why we believe them, etc.

Sadly, there was a time when AOH experienced its time of turmoil but we have sought to leave the past behind us by making some much needed changes to our procedures.

To all of my current and fellow AOH brothers and sisters, Praise the Lord!!!

"AOH, the church of the living God,  AOH, the church of the living God, Baptize in the Holy Ghost, speak in other tongues, AOH the church of the living God"

"Pentacost, we have it every year......."

I got saved in AOH back in the early 90's (Rice Temple AOH Bishop McNeal)  Bishop Jasper Roby was presiding at the time.

[phbrown]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Overcoming_Holy_Church_of_God

is it true that

The Apostolic Overcoming Holy Church of God claims it is set up on the foundation laid by Jesus Christ and the Apostles even though it is non-Trinitarian in doctrine.