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Offline mrwhite

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which video/dvd helped?
« on: February 18, 2006, 03:10:16 PM »
Yo, which video/dvd helped y'all build faster chops, finger/wrist coordination, etc? 
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2006, 06:25:00 PM »
Dennis chambers "Serious Moves" helped a lot after a while, because he explaned how he built up speed ( pillow, a quarter, two telephonebooks ...)

Also Steve Gadds "Live at PAS" with his famous solo and the Gadd-groove

Last but not least thomas Langs "Creative Control" explains effective training in combination and MPOs(Multi Pedal Orchestrations)
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2006, 12:26:07 PM »
check out Billy Wards Big Time that DVD has some tips that will help you with your speed and control
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2006, 07:55:36 PM »
Quote from: mrwhite on February 18, 2006, 03:10:16 PM
Yo, which video/dvd helped y'all build faster chops, finger/wrist coordination, etc? 

Jim Chapin's Speed, Power, Control, Endurance video. He explains the MoellerTechnique. Dave Weckl video "Back to the Basics." This has helped me a great deal along with the book "Stick Control." How are things going with the metronome. Good luck!
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2006, 08:12:00 AM »
Quote from: Cherri on February 19, 2006, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: mrwhite on February 18, 2006, 03:10:16 PM
Yo, which video/dvd helped y'all build faster chops, finger/wrist coordination, etc? 

How are things going with the metronome.


Thanks.  I learned a great deal on how to use it from this guy I'm taking sporatic drum lessons from.  And also, we have another drummer at our church that's studying percussion...so he'll be showing me some stuff too.  Basically you have to have someone show you how to use it, if you don't completely know rudiments and notes. 
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2006, 11:20:33 AM »
The Jim Chapin vid is good BUT...

Do not look for a video to teach you speed . Speed is a by-product of control. Look for a video on control.

That would be -
  • Dave Weckl: How To Develop Technique
  • Virgil Donati: Power Drumming
    • Steve Smith: Drumset Technique and the U.S. Beat
    • Thomas Lang: Creative Control

    Again speed is a by-product of control. If the notes are not clean and in the right place you will not gain speed. True speed also shows endurance other wise you are just quick. Quickness deals in short term bursts. Speed is long term. Fast/Quick =licks, while Speed/Endurance=Rudimental Control.

    It is the equivalent of a Worl-Class hurdler... If the strides are not exact and equal distance apart and in the groove he/she will clip the hurdle and fall eventually. THe point is to be clean and fast not run over the hurdles to get to the finish line... that doesn't take skill. You don't cast out demons being sloppy you don't heal people being sloppy inan attempt to be fast. Consistency is the key. Sureness of technique.



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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2006, 11:58:59 AM »
Quote from: SabianKnight on February 20, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
The Jim Chapin vid is good BUT...

Do not look for a video to teach you speed . Speed is a by-product of control. Look for a video on control.

That would be -
  • Dave Weckl: How To Develop Technique
  • Virgil Donati: Power Drumming
    • Steve Smith: Drumset Technique and the U.S. Beat
    • Thomas Lang: Creative Control

    Again speed is a by-product of control. If the notes are not clean and in the right place you will not gain speed. True speed also shows endurance other wise you are just quick. Quickness deals in short term bursts. Speed is long term. Fast/Quick =licks, while Speed/Endurance=Rudimental Control.

    It is the equivalent of a Worl-Class hurdler... If the strides are not exact and equal distance apart and in the groove he/she will clip the hurdle and fall eventually. THe point is to be clean and fast not run over the hurdles to get to the finish line... that doesn't take skill. You don't cast out demons being sloppy you don't heal people being sloppy inan attempt to be fast. Consistency is the key. Sureness of technique.




Thanks Sabe. I thought I mention "Contol was key to speed." Good looking out Sabe as always. Peace
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 03:12:34 PM »
Yeah thanks bro.  Yo, we haven't talked on the phone in a minute!!!  Call me whenever you have time on a saturday night again bro!!! 
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 05:00:15 PM »
I am still waiting for my book to come in: Stick Control by Stone. Next on the list is Creative Control by Thomas Lang. That is what I will be practicing with for the next few months.

God Bless.
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 06:05:36 PM »
Yo hook up with some marching rudiment books and a metronome!!!! The rest of the videos dont really develop speed, they help with technique !!!!! :o
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 06:47:26 PM »
Quote from: bigblackdrummer on February 20, 2006, 06:05:36 PM
Yo hook up with some marching rudiment books and a metronome!!!! The rest of the videos dont really develop speed, they help with technique !!!!! :o

Hey BBD, where you been??? we missed ya.

God Bless.
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2006, 07:38:04 PM »
Quote from: mrwhite on February 20, 2006, 03:12:34 PM
Yeah thanks bro.  Yo, we haven't talked on the phone in a minute!!!  Call me whenever you have time on a saturday night again bro!!! 

Will do. I actually thought about it this past Saturday but I got side tracked.
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2006, 06:23:34 AM »
you can sit down with dennis himself,if it aint in you,it just aint in you,study many many diffrent people and practice, it wont come over night!,as a drummer i try to see a diffrence in my playin every yr, there are a few yrs i really didi'nt see any growth! but i just worked even harder,you gotta want it mainnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eee
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2006, 12:13:03 AM »
When it comes down to it Stick Control or Joe morello's - Master Studies and the metronome are the truth on the this. If you never learn to relax it want matter. If you don't want it it don't matter. If it ain't in you... IT AIN'T IN YOU... So get to asking God for it and if you don't hear from Him turn the click back on and keep practicing,  ;D
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2006, 09:33:21 AM »
Man, I want it baaaaad!!!  I just need to practice on a set during the week away from the church.  I want to know when to chop and when to stay in the pocket.  I want my chops to be clean and consistant.  Yo Sabe, call me this weekend.  I should be at home.  Man, that tax money is coming soon....I can't wait!! 
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Re: which video/dvd helped?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2006, 05:43:05 PM »
Quote from: mrwhite on February 23, 2006, 09:33:21 AM
Man, I want it baaaaad!!!  I just need to practice on a set during the week away from the church.  I want to know when to chop and when to stay in the pocket.  I want my chops to be clean and consistant.  Yo Sabe, call me this weekend.  I should be at home.  Man, that tax money is coming soon....I can't wait!! 

Work with the click and say practice 8-12 bars (mearsure) verses of groove and 4 bars of chorus (transitioanl fill/chopping ) that keeps the refence to the original groove.
Listen to some really good music like Micheal White or Billy Johnson playing with Maze. When to groove and when to chop is all dependent on the song structure and where the melody is going. Everything should support the song even if it is a percussion piece.  Study the Drumbassadors or an drum corps.
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