Amos & Leviticus

[drummerboy25]

Amos 3:3
"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

Leviticus 26
2-"Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord."
3-"If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;"
4-"Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit."
23-"And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;"
24-"Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins."

[HammerRock]

Here's what the NT says concerning the keeping of the law.

Galations 3:10-14

10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

drummerboy25, I have good news for you. Help is on the way!

I have prayed and asked the Father in Jesus name to reveal Himself to you and to guide you. If you listen, and do not turn your ear from Him, He will teach you and lead you where you need to be. He will reveal Himself to you. He will set you free.

[drummerboy25]

wow! ok, thanks lol.  but as i stated b4 i'm just putting the scriptures out there and letting the chips fall where they may. i'm not giving my interpretation anymore because some people just like 2 start debates/arguments.

but since u've given new testament scriptures on the commandments of God how about reading these as well:
Ecc. 12:13, Psalm 119, James 1:22, St. Luke 6:46 & 11:28, St. John 14:15 & 15:14, Romans 14:12, I John 2:4 & 3:22 & 5:3  to name a few.

Proverbs 30:6
"Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."

[preach25]

Amen, we need 2 read the whole bible and not just a few scriptures. obeying God's word is written throughout the whole bible. that scripture some1 gave in Colossians has 2 do with something else other than the fact stated 4, but it will take way too much time 2 explain.  we must remember that Israel was a group of people who had 2 live by the Mosiac Law and Covenants set forth by God thru the Holy prophets.  this is what Colossians is referring 2. to make it short, this had 2 do with the way the new found believers/followers of Christ were being instructed 2 live by false teachers at Colosse who said Jesus was not God,we must worship angels, and said believers had 2 follow a set of special rules other than the ones given by God. Paul wrote this letter 4rm prison.

Colossians 1:10
That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God

[preach25]

also read Colossians the 3rd chap.

[HammerRock]

So, do you follow the 10 commandments then?

[drummerboy25]

Amen, i see some1 else knows the word.  

[HammerRock]

Do you keep the ten commandments? A simple yes or no will suffice... or... are you afraid to say "No, I do not keep the ten commandments."

[preach25]

i apologize Hammerrock, i see u have been waiting 4 a reply but this is the 1st time i've logged on since my last post. but here is the answer 2 u're question....

10 commandments  Exodus 20:3-17

1. Thou shall have no other Gods b4 me...
2. Thou shall not make any graven images...
3. Thou shall not take/use the name of God in vain...
4. Remember the sabbath, 2 keep it holy...
5. Honour thy mother & father...
6. Thou shall not kill...
7. Thou shall not commit adultery...
8. Thou shall not steal...
9. Thou shall not bear false witness(lie) against thy neighbor
10. Thou shall not covet anything that is thy neighbors...

The 2 greatest commandments St. Matthew 22:34-40

1. Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, & mind...
2. Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself...

* so to answer u're request my brother yes! if any so called believer isn't striving 2 live life like this something is wrong.... be blessed.

I John 5:3
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

[drummerboy25]

PTL, hey preach25 i know this is u're screen name, but r u a preacher of the Gospel? because u know a preacher can usually tell another preacher. lol.

p.s.   just curious, how old r u?

[HammerRock]

preach25, thanks for replying...

see, some claim they follow the ten commandments but really keep only 9, and we know that if you break one commandement you're guilty of them all.

2 commandments before thou shalt not kill there's a commandment called "Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy". Even though the Bible clearly states this, there are some people that actually think keeping the Sabbath isn't important anymore, since they go to church on Sunday.

I know people who not only go to church on Saturday, in keeping with the commandments, but also: prohibit their children from playing sports on Saturdays; refuse to work on Saturdays; and refuse to engage in any kind of work on Saturdays, even domestic.

Is this how you keep the Sabbath? Does your church meet on Saturday too? If not, why not ask your pastor why? If we keep the 10 commandments shouldn't our churches be honoring the Sabbath and keeping it Holy?

[JoyCH]

There is nothing wrong with posting scriptures - in fact, I believe there are others who agree with me. But when you go back and forth with the word of God for self-righteousness its wrong.

2 Tim. 2:14 - says,
Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruins of the hearers. (15) Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.   (16) But shun profane and idle babling, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

2 Tim. 2:23 - says,
But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife (24) And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient in humility, correcting those who are in opposition, (which you all are talking about the word of God  :? ) if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth.

Now - as for the 10 Commandments, James 2:9 - says;
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin and are convinced of the law of transgression. For who-soever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also Do not kill.  Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill (Kill someone's spirit with thou tongue) thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So to say all of this - if I were a sinner. And God knows when I was one I was a good one who knew the word well, and you were in front of me going back and forth like this, there would be no way you would ever be able to convince me to get saved. So, how do you think the unsaved people on this site look at you? If you want to discuss a subject like this - send each other private messages. What's the point of having this public (personal) dispute. The only thing that I am convinced of - you know how to type and post a scripture. But using it in its proper text - not.

Joy

[HammerRock]

The point I'm trying to make is that if we think we are justified by the commandments or the law then we better make sure we cross all the t's and dot all the i's. I prefer to be justified by faith.

For the record, no, I don't worry about following the 10 commandments. I worry about being and becoming who He created me to be. The purpose of the law was to point the way to Christ, because no man in himself could fully follow the law (and the spirit of the law). For example, committing murder is wrong, but so is hating someone in your heart (the spirit of the law) .

Romans 8:1-4
1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

In Christ Jesus the righteous requirements of the law are fully met in me because I don't live according to my sinful nature but according to the Spirit within me. When I do fall I have a reconcilator, Jesus.

Galations 5:22-26
 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and selfcontrol. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

The purpose of my posting isn't to provoke. The purpose of my posting is to try to encourage everyone to continually grow and move beyond where they are now. I like growth. I've learned to embrace change when it comes from the Lord. Change in me is good! It's wonderful!

[preach25]

hey drummerboy and hammerrock its cool, disregard the last comment because 2 me we are not and were not arguing. we just had questions for each other. the bible is clear on addressing the questions of others regarding the word as long as its in a civilized way. no disrespect 2 any1 intended. and as 4 people not getting saved.... that has nothing 2 do with the many discussions we have on this site, if its not in a person's heart 2 want 2 change and get saved, then nothing u say or do can change that.  we need 2 stop making excuses 4 others.
II Timothy 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." no 1 in this posted acted unseemly. now, as drummerboy stated b4 we are not under the law anymore, we are under the dispensation of grace. the point i was trying 2 make was that as a believer, the commandments are sort of guidance/building blocks 4 us 2 live our lifes by thats all.  they are pretty practical instructions 4 living a happy and healthy life.  i know this is long but here is the KJV of joych post:

II Timothy 2:15-16, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. (This just means dont argue or dispute the word, u must put the word out there, but when it becomes an argument, we must walk away)
perfect example verse 23 of the same chapter reads:
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. (meaning if some1 is provoking u into an arguement by asking silly questions regarding the word tempting u just 2 see u're response)

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." II Tim. 4:2

[2TallDrummer]

Thanks for whoever started this thread.  I think it's good to discuss drums and drummers, but it's also good to through in the word just for discussion sake.  Not to say who's right or wrong or to judge anybody.  I was raised in what is known as a 7th Day Commandment Church.  Where we do/did exactly what the below quote says.  In high school I and my brothers was 6 - 4" and 6 - 5" and couldn't play sports, go to games, or anything that occurred from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.  As a child you asked questions, but as long as you're under your parent's roof, what can you do?  As I got older and studied the word for myself in the OT and NT, I believe that the 4th commandment is just as valid as the other 9.  I believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  And I know that I am saved by grace and faith in Jesus Christ and not works as someone stated earlier.  In the discussions concerning the law, people often get the term "Law" confused.  The bible says in Gal. 3:19 that the law (Mosaic) was added because of transgression to God's Moral Law, the 10 commandments. Paul also says in Romans 7:7 that he wouldn't know what sin was except by the law.  He couldn't be referring to the Mosaic Law, because that law didn't define sin, the 10 commandments do.  The Mosaic law only gave instructions as to how to avoid the penalty of sin, which is breaking God's 10 commandments.  Sin is transgression of the law.  It was only substitutional until Christ came.  The Sabbath pre-dates the giving of the actual 10 commandments on Mt. Sinai.  There was a Sabbath before there were 10 commandments.  God himself kept the Sabbath in Genesis during creation.  Jesus declared himself to be Lord of the Sabbath.  Jesus dying on the cross did not abolish an eternal law.  His dying on the cross abolished the Law of Ordinances and Sacrifice that were contained in the Mosaic Law and the other ritualistic things that are mentioned in Leviticus.  Keeping the 10 commandments as they are stated in Exodus 20 does not mean someone is under the law.

"I know people who not only go to church on Saturday, in keeping with the commandments, but also: prohibit their children from playing sports on Saturdays; refuse to work on Saturdays; and refuse to engage in any kind of work on Saturdays, even domestic. [/quote]

[drummerboy25]

wow, i see u know u're history of the word Amen 2tall.
but this discussion as well as the many other post by other writers would/will just be a swinging door because every1 has been taught differently. now in no way,shape, or form am i saying its wrong, but it is what it is, just different, for God reveals and uses us in a variety of ways.
Ephesians 4:11-12
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ"

Romans 10:14
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"