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All about....
« on: November 03, 2014, 11:16:57 AM »
LGM Bass Room,

Starting this thread for three reasons

  • Bass Room has been quiet lately, so let's chase some of the crickets out of here
  • I am hoping that as others post info and questions here, it will generate ideas for topics for the Bass Room
  • I thought it would be good for you all to know more about this particular moderator, my thoughts on gospel music, bass as an instrument, and my thoughts on our roles in the church

So, here's All About....Malthumb

I'm originally from Buffalo, NY but I've lived most of my life in Michigan.  I've lived in Flint, Ypsilanti / Ann Arbor, and since 1995, Detroit.

The only instrument I play is bass.  I never learned to play another instrument, but sometimes wish I had learned piano.  Both my kids play piano as a secondary instrument.  The oldest is a guitarist and the youngest is well on his way to becoming the best bassist in our household.

I've played bass in several churches since the mid-'90s, but I actually do not actively play bass in any church at the current time.  I lead our contemporary choir (Praise Connection) that leads service twice per month.  My voice is needed a lot more than my fingers and thumb, so my youngest son holds down the low notes for us.  I pick the music, manage rehearsals, and on some occasions teach my son the bass parts.  Those occasions are becoming less and less frequent.  My older son, who is a rather odd but talented mash-up of BB King, Jimi Hendrix, and Gary Clark Jr., handles all the guitar work.  My only instructions to him are pretty much limited to "a little more of.... a little less of..."

I tend to work from any of 4 hymnals for the "structured" music in the service (Opening Hymn, Congregational Hymn, Invitational Hymn, Closing Hymn).

We also do two selections that I choose.  Usually I pick from Fred Hammond, Donnie McClurkin, Hez Walker, Donald Lawrence, Joe Pace, Jonathan Nelson, Jason Nelson, Kurt Carr, etc...

I can read music pretty well, but typically have to study and walk through stuff, rather than read on the fly.  In general, my theory is "rusty" but still somewhere in the memory banks.  I learned to play first then learned to read.  Sorta like learning to drive, then learning to ride a bike.

I have absolutely NO ISSUES with the idea of musicians getting paid to play in church.  I have played at some churches and gotten paid.  I have played at some churches and not gotten paid.  I have played at some churches and got paid, but put the same amount back into the collection plate.  In my view, none of these approaches is THE CORRECT approach.  They are simply different approaches.  Both my sons play in the choir I lead.  I pay them, the pianist / vocal director, and the drummer.

I have NO ISSUES with church musicians who play Secular on Saturday - Sanctified on Sunday.  I'd better not, since that's who I am.  I assume people are grown ups and know where to draw the line, content-wise.

Most of my playing these days is with a secular group (Stroller Goat....stupid name...don't ask).  We play a wildly varied set of music because we are a wildly varied set of people.  The guitarist / band leader / person who chose the name is Dominican, a Blues fan, has a man-crush on John Mayer and Gary Clark Jr and is awesome at booking and negotiating gigs.  Our drummer is a white guy who is into Mainstream Rock, Modern Country, and seemingly knows every rock band, song, and who the drummer was on the song.  Serious music encyclopedia.  Our singer is a white girl who is into Pop as well as a lot of '60s - '80s female vocal stylings and brings a HUGE crowd with her to most of our shows.  She's the youngest in the group (by far) but sometimes brings in some of the oldest music ("Into The Mystic" - The Doors).  So if you come to one of our shows you are likely to hear something from Muddy Waters, The Zak Brown Band, Bruno Mars, and Marvin Gaye.  I like the mix, because I get to play a lot of the music I grew up on and I get to learn a lot of music I might never have otherwise bothered to try to listen to.  Who knew that I would like Grace Potter and the Nocturnals?

As far as equipment, I need to be careful here and try not to come off as a gear snob.  The instruments I own (there are a lot of them) range from pro-quality to pretty expensive.  It's sorta like this.... Because I do not make my living from playing music, I feel totally unencumbered of having to have the"expected" instruments for the job.  Over years and years of playing this, buying that used, selling a few and bundling some extra cash, I have managed to obtain the instruments I want and like.  A lot of session bassists feel like you have to have a Fender Jazz, a Fender Precision, and a Music Man Sting Ray to cover the waterfront of what recording engineers are looking for.  Even though I have done some light studio work, I have always just felt like "I'll play what I want to play and you can accept that or you can ask the next guy".  Self centered, yeah, but remember....I'm not doing this for a living.  I personally own 6 basses, my son owns 3 basses, and we share an electric acoustic.  We do, of course, have full access to each others basses, except he does have to ask if he wants to take one of my Alembics out of the house.  The answer is always "only if I'm going, too".

Of my 6 basses, 3 are 5-string, 3 are 4-string.  Oddly enough, all are active basses, so I run through a lot of 9V batteries.  Two of the 5-strings are custom ordered, so I will likely NEVER sell them.  I doubt anyone would ever meet my price on either.  I am pretty sure I am out of the bass-buying business, unless something amazingly awesome comes along.  My last purchase, for example, is a bass that sells for about $1,800 new, about $1,150 used and I paid $800 cash for it.  I didn't need it, but because I happened to be standing in the right place at the right time, I made a great deal.  If I find that I totally hate it (I don't) I could easily turn it around and get my money back and then some.

A few years years ago I went through a major change in my amplification.  I was using a rackmount set up with a Crown power amp, an Alembic preamp, and other do-dads in a 60+ pound rack, plus various combinations of 85 pound SWR Triad cabinets and 45 pound SWR Goliath Jr cabinets.  Then my band started playing in this place called Basement Burger Bar.  It is a bar, that specializes in burgers and is located in a basement.  Other than being a cool and descriptive name, it also meant that I needed to carry my equipment down to the basement.  Even worse, I had to bring it back up after 4-hours of playing.  I sold all that stuff and bought a lightweight MarkBass combo and extension cabinet.  I can now carry the  combo in one hand, the extension cabinet and instrument stand in the other hand, and two basses in a gigbag on my back.  Going up and down the stairs suddenly became easy.  Ironically, we don't play there much anymore, but I think the experience helped me to see the light (pun intended).



So that's all bout me......what about you?

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Re: All about....
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2014, 02:23:06 PM »
Real name, David Walmsley. Born in Queens, NY and raised in Mount Vernon, NY. Moved to Peekskill, NY in 1993 and then moved south to Newport News, VA in 2001. I have played other instruments before settling on bass. That included violin, trumpet, trombone, piano, guitar and a little bit of drums. Been playing since the early 70's. As far as churches go, I have an allegiance to just 1. My home church Asbury United Methodist Church in Mount Vernon, NY. The music ministry only consists of a piano/organ and choir. No modern instruments are allowed. So no church playing for me. I have played in independent Gospel bands but not currently. I do play quite a lot of secular music mostly R&B, Soul, Funk, Motown, some jazz and some gospel. Equipment wise....lets start with amplification. I own several 'micro' amps. Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0, Markbass LMIII and a GK MB200. I just put together a rack rig just for something different. That includes a BBE BMax preamp into an Alto APX1000 which I run in parallel mode. My cabinets are GK Neo112 (x2) and a 90's Genz Benz 4ohm 4x10. Next up....Basses. I have gone through quite a lot of basses over the years. Too many to mention but my current crop (I did mention in another thread that I downsized) is my Lakland 55-01 which is my only 5 string. I have a cheap SBMM SUB Ray4 and I have a custom 4 string Jazz bass which just underwent a modification to the electronics, new neck and tuners. In fact I'm picking it up this evening.  All my basses have been modified. None are stock. I can read music but I am not very good at sight reading. I am not currently in a band as I have decided to take time off from being in a band due to personal reasons. I do get calls to fill in or sub and I hope to parlay that into meeting a group of musicians who have their act together.
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Re: All about....
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2014, 10:22:52 PM »
here's all about phbrown

I'm originally from Kansas City and I am still in Kansas city

I started out playing the cello then drums mainly because I didn't want to sing in the choir at church and then one day while walking through a music store in 2005 they had a small practice bass combo that I just picked up and I've been playing bass ever since.

I used to be able to read music ... but I haven't read anything in a long time

Equipment: I still play the same rouge 5 string bass made out of basswood ... nothing special. I have an acoustic b100 that I attached some wheels to it so I can roll it around my two sons (4 & 1) like to ride on it

I used to play in a band but I decided to go back to school so I gave up the band (hard to do working full time, being a parent, and going to school)

recently came to the realization that I may never be a professional at playing the bass but it's fun for me so it will probably always be a hobby for me.

My next bass will probablly be a lakland, or an ibanez btb, or a squier jazz that will be modded

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Re: All about....
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 08:38:52 AM »
I also have an Acoustic B100.  Pretty nice amp.  We keep it in the TV room in the basement.  When I start making / posting videos again I will likely be using that. (<---that was a hint)

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Re: All about....
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2014, 05:34:53 PM »
I also have an Acoustic B100.  Pretty nice amp.  We keep it in the TV room in the basement.  When I start making / posting videos again I will likely be using that. (<---that was a hint)

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Re: All about....
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 09:24:49 PM »
Recent change in cabs. I sold the Genz Benz 410 and acquired a Eden Nemesis 212. Huge difference in weight. I miss the sound of the Genz but my back thanks me (45lbs vs. 90lbs).
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Re: All about....
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2014, 06:23:16 PM »
My name is Barry. I was born in N.Y.C. .. raised in The Bronx.. joined the Navy when I got out of high school.  I started playing bass in 77 while in the Navy.. I always liked bass but never had the opportunity to get one till I left home. I got a cheap Japanese Kingston bass as my first bass for $50 from another sailor and I got a Fender Musicmaster amp.. 15W. That bass was horrible. I got out of the navy in 77 as well and stayed in California for a few months then I went home to N.Y.  I went down to Alex Axe on 48th St. and got my first real bass.. A 78 natural maple necked Jazz that I still own. I wound up getting in a few bands and we did cover tunes in local bars and such around N.Y.C. I was a total noob to bass and rarely went above the 5th fret unless I was doing a hammer on with the E ala "Slide".  I wound up getting married in 81 and the music took a back seat to the 9-5. I got divorced in 86 and briefly played for about a year in a Grateful Dead cover band with some coworkers from Bensonhurst. After that I didn't do much .. not even practicing at home. I wound up selling all my equipment except my bass.  I got married to my current wife in 89.. After a while what little chops I had got rusty and stale.. and I was making some really stupid decisions.. I had reached a point of .. desperation  in 98.. and came to the conclusion that if I didn't change something in my life I'd be dead in a few years at the most.

I got saved.. and began to turn my life around with the GRACE of GOD. My failing 2nd marriage was healed.. and in 2000 my wife & I left N.Y.C. for good and moved to Virgina where we now live.. We knew that in order for our marriage to survive we needed to make it a 3 fold cord.. and we were led to our current church in the fall of 2000. My wife sings.. and I sang in the choir.. but I began to get the bass itch again. I sang in the choir for a year or so.. and we got a new worship leader. When that happened many band members quit and I offered my services.. I hadn't played in a long time and I had no idea just how bad my playing was until I started trying to learn some of the songs.. I had to get the songs first as I don't read music.. then I had to coax my hands to do the work.. It was tough in the beginning and I wasn't happy with my playing. I did OK.. but it seemed like I had hit a wall. At the time our church was hurting for bass players.. so I was playing two services every Sunday.. and I slowly began to get better.. I reached a point where I had surpassed my previous skill level, but I wasn't really happy with my paying.. The Hispanic ministry at my church needed a bass player badly .. so I started playing for them as well and at one point I was playing 4 services every Sunday for @ 9 months. 8 & 11 AM, the Hispanic service at 2PM and the Sunday evening service at 6:30.. I wound up having to get a second job in 2003.. and that put an end to all that.. I still played when I could and I managed to put in work with the Hispanic ministry but my playing had hit a wall. My bass, the same 78 Jazz needed work.. and I had little money to spare.. I was getting very frustrated with my playing and began to question whether or not I was even doing GODS will or my own..

I began to think about just quitting all together.. I was involved in some other things at church and I began to think that  maybe my time for the music had already passed and I blew it.. maybe this is all just my dream and MY want... and so.. that night before I went to bed, I prayed on it. Hard.

The very next day... I was at work and I got a call from the Hispanic worship leader.. He asked me if I could meet him in the church parking lot. I said sure..  After work I met him there.. and I had no idea what he wanted.. He pulled up and called me over to his car.. opened the trunk and pulled out  a bass in a case. He said.. "Look man I know your bass needs some work, and I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate what you have done for me over the past few months.. I know how hard it has been with the two jobs and all.. Here is the receipt.. in case you don't like it you can take it back and get something you like.. I won't be offended at all."

Talk about confirmation.

I was floored.. totally floored.. I hugged him.. and thanked him... We prayed.. I went home and told my wife... then we prayed.. then the next day I took the bass down to GC.. put another $150 and got my Ibanez SR505.. That was my 3rd bass and my first 5 string and it opened up my playing tremendously and poured gas on a flickering flame. Today I wouldn't even think of not playing.. not for one second (unless it was obviously GOD'S will).  Now.. I am no technician.. and I am not a groovemeister.. but I can do the job well enough and help folks get their praise on.... and for me that is good enough stuff to keep on keeping on and let the growth come. In January of 2009 I discovered TalkBass and in September of that same year I discovered this place, or actually was turned on to it by funkstrat_97 who is a guitarist at our church and a good friend. Around that same time I joined a band with some folks from my church called New Vision..  I also bought my Schecter Stilletto Studio 5 from a local pawn shop around then and I didn't know it but that was also the beginning of my GAS. I found that my 150W SWR La15 combo was not enough to do the job... so I began my gear hunt.. I had not bought an amp in almost 20 years aside from that combo so I knew nothing.. Enter TalkBass.  Everything I know about gear today I learned either directly or indirectly from TalkBass. TalkBass was the best thing to happen to me as far as gear goes. I have manged to get access to loads of gear, from amps to cabs, basses, effects and cases, that I never would have been able to have access to otherwise thanks to TalkBass.

I currently own 7 basses. Two 4s.. my 78 Jazz and a Breedlove Atlas ABG, all the rest are 5s.. a Peavey Cirrus fretless....a fantastic bass that I acquired in a trade for a Kingston KZ 6 and some cash after a brief foray into the 6 string world.. (not for me at this time), a Brice fretless 5, a Lakland 55-01 modded with an Audere PZ4 Pre and Bart Mk 5s (I had a 55-02 which I got and sold on TB .. I like the 55-01 better) .. a MTD Kingston Heir modded with a Delano Sonar 3 pre and Delano pups, and my latest acquisition a Brubaker Brute JJX5 modded with Bart quad pups and a Bart NMTB 3 band pre. I will probably be selling the Heir pretty soon but the 55-01 and the Brute are just absolutely killer basses. I got all those basses from TalkBass except the 78 Jazz, the Brice, which I got from Rondo Music new for $325 (I wasn't sure if I would like a fretless so I didn't want to spend a lot) and the Breedlove.. which I also got new for almost half price. I also use a Genz Benz SL900 and a GenzBenz ShuttleMax 9.2 (I bought the Max new on closeout.. the 900 I got from TB used) and I have a AccuGroove Tri 115 cab and a Glasstone LiL'G .. both from TalkBass.

For about 3 years I was playing with a 9 piece Latin Christian band based out of our church called AbbaPraise but that band broke up when the band leader and his wife went into the ministry full time as the Hispanic ministers at our church.. They have since started their own church in Triangle. I still play with them when I can.. I currently play on the praise team at my church and in 2012 I stated a jazz ensemble with 3 other musicians from my church along with funkstrat_97 called A Work in Progress. This year funkstrat_97 had to leave the band due to other responsibilities and we added another guitarist from our church.. My wife is our resident Diva.. and this is us..



We all get a long great and at this stage in my life I am just grateful that I can still do this with such talented folks and my wife of 25 years.

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Re: All about....
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2014, 07:03:06 PM »
SavnBass,

You just confirmed for me that starting this thread was a good idea.  Impressive story and well told.

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Re: All about....
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2014, 10:57:37 PM »
Cool... Thank you.

We don't get paid where we are.. it is all volunteer.. and that's cool for me.. That is one reason why we formed W.I.P. I am in the process of actually studying more now than I ever have. All this time I have been playing by ear.. Learn the line and play it.. but for the past few years.. actually since I got with AbbaPraise and started using charts, I have been trying to work on my theory and reading more. I have just started to delve into tapping a little and more intricate slap technique.. As I said I never was a technician, and I was also kind of lazy when it came to doing some of the fundamentals.... I always just played the song...  but I eventually saw that I wasted a lot of time so I am studying more now, which I should have been doing before..  As far as my gear goes.. I have always been in search for "that bass"..  and I keep getting closer and closer with each purchase. I have never owned a real high end bass.. all my basses have been the lower priced imports... Kingstons.. Skylines.. and now this Brute. I got a Fender JV24 (from a TB deal with a brother in Lanham... ;) )  .. but I just recently sold it.. it had an URetro pre in it that was very nice!!  Very solid tone. That was the first 5 that I had with 19mm spacing, which I found I preferred over the tighter 16mm spacing on the Ibanez and Schecter I had at the time but it was too heavy and I took a fall last year and injured my shoulder and it became difficult to tune because the neck was so long..  I also had a Kingston KZ5 which I sold when I got the 55-01 and an Heir.. I still have the heir as I said, but I will probably be selling it once I finish installing that Sonar pre. DW was one of the reasons I gave Laklands a shot... I had heard about them mostly on TB and I was still looking for "that" bass you know what I mean. I found a used 55-01 on TB at a decent price.. so I grabbed it. I then changed out the Hansen LH3 pre that came with it and dropped in the Audere that that I was originally going to put in my Heir. With the Bart Mk5 pups it was a match made in heaven and i found out what the big deal was about those Lakland necks. What I really wanted was a 55-02 though and I came across a 55-02 in great shape but it was somewhat of a let down. I sold it in less than a month and then I stumbled across the Brute. With it's Bart NTMB 3 pre quad coil Barts with switching on each pup it is the most versatile bass tonewise that I ever played.. The neck is actually better than the Laklands IMO .. and so now my go to basses will probably be the fretless Cirrus, the 55-01 and the Brute..  I am pretty much set on amps.. I will be keeping that GB stuff till it dies.

I tried to get my son into music.. and he says he wants to sing.. but he doesn't do the work. He used to sing in the Latin band .. Him, his mom.. and the daughter of the band leader who played keys and the band director who played the bone.. Very good folks.. I still play with them when i can. I have been reading your posts here and on TB for a while now.. and I saw a few of the videos you posted links to over the years.. DW as well... It is funny because one thing that these days have enabled me to do is to be a part of a pretty scattered community of musicians without having to go anywhere.. LOL..
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Re: All about....
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2014, 07:19:55 AM »
Great story SavnBass. A couple of parallels..........I'm also in Virginia (Newport News) via NY (Mt. Vernon & Peekskill) and I also play a Lakland 55-01! :)
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Re: All about....
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2014, 12:25:30 AM »
Yeah that was where we wanted to go. My wife has some cousins down there but we wound up in N.VA. because of my job. She is a H.S. teacher so she can go anywhere. You were instrumental in me checking out Laklands. I saw some of your posts on TB about them.. I got a 55-01 but I wanted a 55-02. When I finally got one it was a letdown. Glad to see you got your mojo back...
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Re: All about....
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2014, 02:45:32 PM »
I enjoyed reading this thread. This would be something nice to add to all the threads.  Well, here's my contribution....

My primary instrument is the drums. This is the instrument I am naturally good at. While I was stationed in North Dakota, I had my own drum set and still have it....Pearl Traveler St, but I was taking keyboard lessons at the music store. While in North Dakota, I purchased a bass pack...bass, amp, earphones and book for around $199. The bass was a Squire...I think it was made by Fender. I think I started taking bass lessons and then got an assignment to Travis AFB, CA.

When I arrived in Cali, early 2009, I signed up for drum lessons. Improving my skill-set, plus students are allowed to use the music room when they are not being used. So, I was able to use the drum room and play without having to worry about really bothering anyone. My set was in my apartment, so I couldn't really "play".
 
I retired from the Air Force in 2011. I started taking classes and working part-time. In late 2013, my schedule changed, so I had to drop the drum lessons. This was no big deal...overall I was learning, but nothing I couldn't really teach myself. But it was good to work on Technique and receive info from another perspective. I chose to start taking bass lessons. I started lessons Feb 2014. A few months after taking lessons I went on Ebay and purchased a Used Schecter Stiletto Custom-4 Bass Guitar Natural for $300. I still had my Squire, but gave it away. When it comes to bass equipment...basses, amps, etc, I am totally clueless. I was just looking at the price and color of the bass. My teacher was excited about the purchase, so I guess I made a good choice. It is a 4-string. I am thinking about getting a 5 or 6 string. My fingers are not that big, so I may get a 5. A facebook friend posted a clip of musicians playing at her church and their lead min of music is a female bass player. She was playing a 6-string. Talk about inspiring. My long-term goal is to be an organist like my father and grandmother. So taking bass lessons, is helping me with music theory. My goal for next year is to spend more time practicing my bass...learn to slap and to start to dive into the keyboard. Since the bass is not my primary instrument, I probably won't spend the bux some of you all spend, plus I still don't know about what bass to really purchase...I just look at the comments you all make.

At church I play the drums. Our main drummer is working every other Sunday. I am glad to do it. I've sat on my drum playing for years here, and the opportunity presented itself. My plan next year is to start bringing my bass. My music teacher is teaching me via the number system, but I can read too. Oh, we work progressions....circle of 4ths/5ths...etc. Our MOM is a great organist and bass player. He is supposed to give organ lessons next year. I will take them, but continue to study my bass.......and keep improving on the drums.

I don't see female musicians in church anymore, and believe I can have a positive influence. Plus, when we don't have a musician, it would be nice to step in and play. We wouldn't have to worry about finding someone...we'd have me. :)  I am also getting older, I will be 47 in July. I have wasted A LOT time wishing I could do this and do that. Learning and improving on the bass, has given me hope for the other instruments and accomplishing other tasks...not just musical. I am just asking God to speed up my learning...and help me overcome my years of lack of practice.

I appreciate everyone who shares in the room and the other rooms. 2015 will be a year of musical growth for me....for all of us!!!
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