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The Black Church ...
« on: September 22, 2015, 01:23:26 PM »
State of the Black Church

What do you folks think.
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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2015, 02:31:45 PM »
     I think anyone who is so consumed with the state of a so called "black church" is far off base and probably lost.  My word says Jesus is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle.  I've also read where "the church" is referenced on many other occasions.  Never have I seen or will I read of a "black church".   There is no such thing, it never existed therefore it can't be dead.  You can say sin and corruption is more prevalent in the church as a whole but I just disagree with this black church notion.

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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2015, 02:40:10 PM »
Understood... and agreed.. Just curious as to what folks here think about this man's comments.
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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2015, 06:55:41 PM »
I stumbled on this a few months back and was disappointed by some of the things in the videos. I would have to listen again but I understood where the person was coming from.
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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2015, 09:08:44 AM »
I guess they say, "Black Church" because in America,  even today,  most Black Americans go to a church that is nearly completely attended by black members.  The church in America is no longer segregated as much by law as by choice,  but it is segregated.  The effect therefore of the "Black Church" is felt more in the black community.  Though the worship experience shows black culture, by and large,  white people are welcome.    Personally,  when I say "Black Baptist Church" , for example, I just mean a Baptist church mostly attended by black worshipers, this day and age,  by choice.  It is generally believed that it has lost something as a force for good in the community.  I think  that it is still very important,  though embattled,  as a factor in our lives.

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2015, 10:46:39 AM »
Well, the problem is simple....the church has embraced a false doctrine.  The devil is slick....real slick.  You wont even realize that he's among you until you look around one day and find that things are now strangely different and you wonder how you got there.
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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2015, 02:02:29 PM »
I could have gone all day without the nip-slip sermon
As for the comments of the dude, Im not listening that long to get to his point which he clearly stated in the title.

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 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2015, 01:45:30 PM »
So then,  maybe there is a "Black" church.  Consider the fact of the Southern  Baptist Convention and the National Baptist Convention.  Consider the African Methodist Episcopal Church(AME).  Consider the C.M.E. Church and perhaps the COGIC Church.  Consider any church that is in the hub of a black neighborhood, peopled by black parishoners. For want of a better descriptive word, lets say,  the Black Church.  We simply, as a matter of practice,  do not attend the "White Church". They are not as much of a factor in our family's lives. Their cultural methods of worship, as a rule, are different from ours,  sometimes greatly different. Their members do not have the same experiences, problems, etc as blacks in America.  Their agendas might not match ours.  Then considering that,  is the Black church dead?  Has the Black church lost its relevance in the black neighborhood,  or in the black population? Is it dead and buried?  To answer that question, one must not consider the "White Church" in the in the decision.  If the answer is yes,  should we move toward more integration with "White Churches"? If not,  how should we resolve the situation?  Here's my comment.  You can't resolve it.  If you pray and work real hard,  you can make a change in your church and your community.  The rest is in God's hands.

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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2015, 04:56:30 PM »
I didn't watch the entire video, but I got the overall point he was making. Culturally, yes the black church exist, however, we all know Jesus is not concerned about ethnicity. I feel like the overall problem is the lack of sound doctrine. Nobody wants to hear sound teaching, but should we be surprised? Scripture warns us of that. There's too much "prosperity", "get your stuff", "this is your season" type of preaching (from these guys who have a great "whoop" with no "Word") which is nothing more than a motivational speech that Ray Lewis can give. There is no sure foundation anymore and the church is afraid to stand on the word because they want to be accepted with society.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2015, 12:44:22 PM »
I didn't watch the entire video, but I got the overall point he was making. Culturally, yes the black church exist, however, we all know Jesus is not concerned about ethnicity. I feel like the overall problem is the lack of sound doctrine. Nobody wants to hear sound teaching, but should we be surprised? Scripture warns us of that. There's too much "prosperity", "get your stuff", "this is your season" type of preaching (from these guys who have a great "whoop" with no "Word") which is nothing more than a motivational speech that Ray Lewis can give. There is no sure foundation anymore and the church is afraid to stand on the word because they want to be accepted with society.

Yes...and the thing is that these types of doctrines are insidious and sometimes it seems like you are being too nit-picky when it comes to separating truth from error.  But the Scriptures tell us that we are to contend for the faith and that, more often than not, is not a popular position to take.  It is something that is endemic throughout the church regardless of the prevailing culture or ethnicity of any given congregation but for a number of reasons it really seems to have a strong foothold in the (culturally) black church.  Even some of our songs end up being sermonettes set to music for un-Biblical doctrines.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2015, 03:31:05 PM »
Yes...and the thing is that these types of doctrines are insidious and sometimes it seems like you are being too nit-picky when it comes to separating truth from error.  But the Scriptures tell us that we are to contend for the faith and that, more often than not, is not a popular position to take.  It is something that is endemic throughout the church regardless of the prevailing culture or ethnicity of any given congregation but for a number of reasons it really seems to have a strong foothold in the (culturally) black church.  Even some of our songs end up being sermonettes set to music for un-Biblical doctrines.
Yep! Gotta stand when standing ain't popular! (Got that from an elderly pastor). I hate to say it, but us black folk (some) run to anything that sounds good. I don't know why that is, maybe because we're very charismatic people. I don't know, but it bothers me how we're more concerned with how well a man "whoops" than an expositor who rightfully divides the word. We have to come out of that "shouting John" type of mentality and really learn. Just my 2 cents...
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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2015, 05:02:11 AM »
Yep! Gotta stand when standing ain't popular! (Got that from an elderly pastor). I hate to say it, but us black folk (some) run to anything that sounds good. I don't know why that is, maybe because we're very charismatic people. I don't know, but it bothers me how we're more concerned with how well a man "whoops" than an expositor who rightfully divides the word. We have to come out of that "shouting John" type of mentality and really learn. Just my 2 cents...
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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2015, 06:54:18 AM »
Let's own it.  The whooping, charismatic service with large choirs and grand solos by nearly professional singers are what we, as a rule, like.  We don't care for a lecture on Sunday morning.  We want to let it all go.  We shout "amen" and like it. To me,  that's OK.  I own it.  Now the problem.  After the service is over,  what do we do towards being about God's business?  What kind of force are we for good?  Have we become a money mill for crooks and schemers?  Are we just putting on a show that would draw people in for that(show)only? Clearly sometimes that's true.  I watched the whole video.  The man is saying that the black church is all show and no substance, even to the extent that the black church is lost.  Personally I disagree.   But it would be bad to not heed a warning out of hand that might actually fit your situation, or one that is creeping up on your institution as a whole.

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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2015, 07:34:35 AM »
Well said...
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Re: The Black Church ...
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2015, 08:31:35 PM »
I am praying for a thirst across the land! God is still sovereign and after the devil's lies have fallen on their face, please Lord let the remnant be ready to reap the harvest.
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