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Offline kevinswilcox

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DRAWBAR HELP
« on: August 27, 2008, 02:55:43 PM »
I need some help from some of you Hammond Gospel Musicians
I have a Hammond C3 and need several good draw-bar settings. for fast and slow music.
Please help thank you.
Kevin Wilcox
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DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 03:03:00 PM »
I need some help from some of you Hammond Gospel Musicians
I have a Hammond C3 and need several good draw-bar settings. for fast and slow music.
Please help thank you.
Kevin Wilcox
kevinswilcox@gmail.com


Welcome to LGM

When it comes to drawbars I  keep it simple. I use:
008500000 (Quiet talk music) Left Hand Chords (you can also add the 2' drawbar)
888800000 Left Hand bass

888800000  008888000 (Same Sound as the previous one, but allows you to play lower on the keyboard)
088800000   (for quick right hand soloing)
658868558 (for old school Hymns) (Add C1 chorus)
888000000 Jazz setting
808500013 hymns
008804004 backing up preacher/west coast style
888880000
008030000
848400012

Sometimes I'll even take out the 8' on some settings and it gives a nice unique sound for backing up the preacher


I do a few more, but the you have to experiment with different settings. I some times add the 1' dawbar or some of the dissonent ones like the 1 3/5? (black ones) ex 808800601 if you use this setting play the left hand chords on the other manual with a  softer setting)

You also have to expeirment with playing in diffeent areas of the board with different settings

As for the Leslie switch, you cant just hit it every 2 seconds. When I do hymns  I leave it on slow during the verses and switch it to fast during the refrain or chorus. If you need help on the other switches let us know, cuz I know a bit about those

To get a full sound, you have to play a lot of notes and play in the proper range relative to your drawbar settting and you also have to play bass pedals


Here are a bunch of others

here are some more

HAMMOND ORGAN DRAWBAR SETTINGS ( Chad Bull / Hamondman )

Soft Gospel Solo Setting _________ 088500000 30 000850000
Soft Gospel ___________________ 008800000
All White _____________________008805005
Full _________________________ 888800008
R&B Sound ___________________000800000
Shouting _____________________ 888808008
Shouting on a B-3 ______________ 888888888
Soft Ballard/Blocked Chords _____ 000850000
Soft Gospel ___________________ 008800000
Jazz Player settings
Jimmy Smith Setting ____________ 888000000 Soft/ Short/ Third Harmonic C3
Cap'n Jack 1 __________________ 800000888 Soft/Fast/ Third Harmonic C3
Cap'n Jack 2 __________________ 800008888 Soft/Fast/ Third Harmonic C3
Ballard solo ___________________ 808000008
Screamer _____________________ 888000888
Fake Bass Player (Jazz) _________ 808000000

Shouting...808....great with jazz runs... 876....Nice soft bass line run..
787....Stopped bass line run...great with fast choppy chords and what is yours......soft music
808800004...great for playing soft chords..
876543234...nice string sound...
008030000...nice flute sound...shouting music876556788...great for shouting chords
888567321...Diapson sound for nice chords..Leslie switch can be turned off and on with these combinations
808808088 for choir
868800004 melvin crispel sound w/c3
888800568 alt
688888888 alt
888800000 bass/power chords
848600046 meditation/hynms
808808008 good ole gospel
808808000 playing by yourself (pad)
008800000 playing w/ (others pad) annointed jazz
008400002 quiet music
008888888 driving a service use chorale w/ no v/c it really talks
008888001 uses for lots of left hand
008880088 USE FOR CONTEMPORARY ONLY w/ lots of stacks w/c3
008000000 glisses or appeggios, also great runs over chords
008808008 great for congregationals and when under piano/bass
008880888 shout/and preach
803000048 jazzy/"faith" by G.P.
888888888 full blown shout
858808888 Shout sound if gets to annoying
88 8040 420
00 3455 433 leslie on fast
60 6544 433 leslie on fast
85 8836 423 leslie on fast
80 8705 002
80 8888 000 leslie on fast
80 8808 006 leslie on slow
88 8706 000 leslie on fast
00 5540 442
00 8888 000 leslie on fast

888800000 can be used w/out vibrato/chorus and leslie on or off for funk sound,but experiment diff. ways
008080880 slow mellow chords
008500000 mellow chords
007300000 mellow chords
004808008 3rd perc/soft c3 use this to start solo or hymm then add to it
808000000 two hand chords
000808880 nice for l.h. chords
006502333
566400000
008880888 backing up preacher w/out an overwhelming bass
800000008 leslie fast if you have outstanding chops!!! and can match preacher word for word this might be for you.
848300008
338838388 with bass player(one of my favorites to use when you need to get the volume up}
808808008 basic gospel sound
728714111 worship chords   
 

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 03:16:50 PM »
I split this topic off because it's a totally different topic from the one it was under.  Left it a sticky for a quick reference.  God bless.

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 03:20:28 PM »
I split this topic off because it's a totally different topic from the one it was under.  Left it a sticky for a quick reference.  God bless.

Thanks Nessa, I have posted that same exact post like 5 times in the past few months.


As soon as I get a chance I'm gonna make a video demonstrating different drawbar settings and when to use them.

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 03:27:42 PM »
Thanks Nessa, I have posted that same exact post like 5 times in the past few months.


As soon as I get a chance I'm gonna make a video demonstrating different drawbar settings and when to use them.
Cool!

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 08:04:17 AM »
Welcome to the LGM family "kevinswilcox".....Stay Blessed.

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2008, 10:03:40 PM »
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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2008, 06:21:56 AM »
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wow short fuse this is whats up

pretty soon people will be answering queries with videos on a regular

thanks for ushering the 21st century

on another note with the drawbar question

here is my take on the subject

there are over 2 million possible combinations




so finding the one for you may be daunting

it is good to start with the most basic fundamental setting and work from there

I recently came back from Gmwa
and what I learned there is that sometimes less is more

if you use really phat chords you want to use less draw bar
maybe the 8 and 4  that is the first two white drawbars that are next to each other

if you like to play with two hands on the same manual this also works well for you

if you like playing with tritones or left hand chords on the upper manual
then
the 4 and 2 half way out is a nice setting for this

if you use more tame voicings but still want them to ring out
i found an interesting sound is

088888800
this is not a mistake you have to be sure you play accurately because the quint is all the way out and will tell on you if you make any mistakes
but if you play this settting elegantly it really rings out and sounds very full

let the drawbars do some of the work for you


I discovered that I need to redefine my organ playing I went back to the most basic of basic drawbar settings


8080000000 80 0088000000

this  is the basic jazz set up it allows you to play left hand bass and chords in the right hand
it also leaves room for two handed chords
the reason I like this set up
is that I dont have to fish around for anything If I get surprised and I need to revert to a keyboard style
this is perfect for it
essentially this is perfect for the keyboard player that needs to quickly play organ

as taste dictates you can add to this basic setting

for example if you need the bass to stand out a little

pull out the quint in the bass manual
87800000000
if you need to add a little to the right and part
you can bring out the upper partials a little

808000000012
To be or not to be that is the question you anwer when you pray practice and read your word

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2008, 08:52:05 AM »
I agree D, The Basic ones often sound the best

One setting I use, mostly for hymns like the Doxology etc, is kinda like a pipe organ setting. 808800220. Those two dissonent upper bars

And as PJ explained in the Video, you have to know how and when to change your bars. Some times you just have do a drastic changr, and it will suprise your listen.

ex. Going from 808000000 to 808000008 or going from a melow setting to a unexepected solo with a setting like 088800555, And you can keep the mellow setting in the left hand.

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2008, 12:58:21 PM »
I agree D, The Basic ones often sound the best

One setting I use, mostly for hymns like the Doxology etc, is kinda like a pipe organ setting. 808800220. Those two dissonent upper bars

And as PJ explained in the Video, you have to know how and when to change your bars. Some times you just have do a drastic changr, and it will suprise your listen.

ex. Going from 808000000 to 808000008 or going from a melow setting to a unexepected solo with a setting like 088800555, And you can keep the mellow setting in the left hand.

go ahead and drop that wisdon

i like this post i will have to save it and study it during my next church service

yes I said study it during my next church service
I often sit and experiment with the drawbars in between songs
until i find a new one I like

To be or not to be that is the question you anwer when you pray practice and read your word

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2008, 02:59:42 PM »
Thanks D., I'm Heavy into the Drawbars; always lookin for new sounds. The key for me is to just experiment, and as I listen to other organist, I try to figure out their settings. This past year I've gotten good at that.

As for that pipe organ setting, you can also try adding the 1'. You can also try something like what Derrick Jackson Uses in the "Classical apraoch ...." clip

And I rarely use tremelo on those type of settings. Maybe I'll add V1 Vibrato. And I'll  Change the Settings after each Verse, and Work my way up to a Fuller setting by the Final Verse.

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2011, 11:32:01 PM »
so what if you have a hammond E100 and have about 7to about to draw bars

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 10:37:12 PM »
Drawbar settings                Upper(chord/solo hand)        Lower(chord hand)      Bass

During Meditaion Time         007800453                            006700540                  63

Testimony Service               787746046                            008800673                  71

While speaker is talking       678404231                            006602024                  63

Latin                                 880060000                            006676000                  62

Progessive                         888800000                            008884000                  75

Born to B3                         888808008                            007725400                  84

Theatre Organ                    878656467                            008844000                  75

America                             887724110                            006606000                  61

House Bass                        880000000                           008080000                  80

House Church                     808808008                           08808021                    80

Jimmy Mc G                        883200125                           448650000                  83

5th Organ                          080080883                          008806000                  73

Full B3 Clean                      888888888                          777777777                   85

Soft Backing                       888700000                          555400000                   62

Holmes                              888420080                          000505000                   72

Screaming                          800388888                          007033333                   72

Shoutin                              878645466                          888800000                   84

Now these drawbar setting are just a few you can try with your Hammond Organ. Traditionally

you would play the upper manual with your right hand and the lower manual with your left.

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 08:10:07 AM »
wow thanks i needed to make a chart again keep it taped to the inside back cover of my hymn book 
I used to do that in new york keep the draw bar settings up there for quick reference.

it may be time to do it all over again.

native instruments has a B3 clone if you can get your hands on that
go through their presets you will be able to see the draw bars in action.

also maudio has key rig and there is a virtual organ on there
and they have about 40 presets

also if you can get your hands on an old hammond manual they have hundreds of draw bar presets listed.

To be or not to be that is the question you anwer when you pray practice and read your word

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Re: DRAWBAR HELP
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2011, 11:35:33 AM »
i play th eorgan and i need the cord  can eny one help me and please send them to nesbittqualin@yahoo.com

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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2012, 01:05:01 PM »
Great reference!  Thanks to all of you.

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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2012, 02:13:41 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2013, 03:33:04 AM »
Hey LGM members, i juss wanna knoe how do yhu mke the tiger growl sound on the B3??? i would greatly appreciate yhur help. Thx to the fullest.
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