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Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: on June 10, 2005, 04:34:08 PM
I brought the following cymbals almost 2 monts ago:

13in K HiHats
8in A. splash
16in A Custom Fast Crash
15in K Dark Crash Thin (Brilliant)
14in K Custom Fast Crash
20in K Custom Dry Ride

I had to get rid of both of the fast crashes because the didnt give me that explosive warmness that im used to getting from Zildjian...until i thought about this 16in SABIAN AAXplosion crash i played in the studio. My 15in K is holding up well, in fact im bout 2 polish it up as soon as im done with this....but i think im going to roll with both companies. What do yall think?
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: Simnel19 on June 10, 2005, 06:37:53 PM
What's up man

It's funny because up until a few weeks ago, I hated Sabian cymbals.  I had a change of heart when I played that 16" AAXplosion.  Also, when I got a catalog of their cymbals I saw that Eric Tribbett uses all Sabians and I really like the sound of his splashes.  So, as of now, it's over with.  I'm gonna widening my horizons with Sabian.

God Bless
Sim
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: bmoredrummerguy on June 10, 2005, 11:38:37 PM
No doubt that sabians are very musical cymbals but there crashes just dont hold up for their to flimbsy and just about any cymbal they have zildjian has a cymbal that matches up or over kills them go wit zildjian they last longer and the sound stays no matter how many years u keep the cymbal
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on June 12, 2005, 03:35:32 PM
Once a Zildjian man,always a Zildjian.
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: Drumworkshop on June 12, 2005, 05:54:50 PM
i'm a sabian man myself.....i think sabian is more out the box! i love their evolution line especially the OZONES. and the "effecks" crash is nice too. but for the conservative the new "vault" line is tight!! to me they're like the big brother of the AAX. they're a little glassier and explosive...but yet still clean. SABIAN ALL THE WAY FOR ME!!! 8)
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: on June 12, 2005, 09:06:51 PM
I just love tha K logo on my cymbals......but yeah SABIAN got some hot stuff. Imma keep trying Zildjian though, because when i was playing today, i put on this old Zildjian, it had to be like a 14 or 15 thin crash and it had a lot of explosion to it. I really liked it, actually i was in the groove with my sound.
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: freddyfusion on June 13, 2005, 07:31:19 AM
the reason zildjans are a LITTLE more durable is because they are like POTHOLES  :evil:  :!:  :D , they are just hunks of metal which is why they are not musical cymbals.  and when someone like dave weckl LEAVES zildjan for SABIAN, i think there is something to be said for that fact. and most of the hot drummers out right now are using SABIAN
   WOO HOO FOR SABIAN :lol:  :lol:  :!:
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: korg_gyrl_versatile on June 13, 2005, 08:45:12 AM
I'm a SABIAN girl myself, I been using Sabian cymbals ever since I started playing the drums, the other kind is ok but I just love Sabian. :)
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: phat33 on June 15, 2005, 02:35:11 PM
Sabian all the way.  The Evolutions are thin but the cut so nice and the Dark Crashes are nice too.  I got the 21' Hand Hammered Ride and I can't tell you how nice that is.........
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: waydrummer on June 15, 2005, 03:56:42 PM
I see I am in the wrong section!  I love Zildjian I grew playing them.  Yall tell me what sabian cymbal line is better than K's?
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: kaddw on June 16, 2005, 02:36:41 PM
The Sabian line aaxplosions are the truth. I have a 14' and two 16', rockin... and as someone else stated it spoke volumes when someone like Dave left Zildjian for Sabian.
Title: Here it is....
Post by: DuvalsLilJohnLumpkin on June 16, 2005, 03:46:57 PM
Zildjian: Hi-Hats, crashes, splashes, and rides.
Sabian: OZONE :twisted: Yeah Baby!
wUhAn: CHINAZ!

That's the way it's supposed to be 8) !
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: waydrummer on June 16, 2005, 05:58:14 PM
For the Dave Weckl comment: THE ONLY REASON WHY DAVE LEFT SABIAN IS NOT FOR THE SOUND, IT WAS BECAUSE ZILDJIAN WOULD NOT MAKE DAVE HIS OWN PERSONAL CYMBAL LINE LIKE SABIAN DID.  BY THE WAY  TRUE DAVE WECKL FANS  NOTICE THAT HE HAD K'S.  AND HE PROBABLY WILL STILL PLAY THEM!
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: waydrummer on June 16, 2005, 06:00:53 PM
Oh yeah Freddy then Sabians are hunks of metal too!  NEWSFLASH: Both cymbal lines are made from the same metal!
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: kaddw on June 16, 2005, 06:49:39 PM
Sabian didn't make him his own either, the line that his signature is own was already made. And i've been with dave when he first started with chick, your right Zil' was there, but now there not.
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: sugabear on June 16, 2005, 10:17:18 PM
Isn't it about what "you like" not what Dave likes that determines what cymbals you get? I think that there is at least one cymbal by every manufacturer that I like. So I can't choose. The one thing that I can say is the manufacturer that has the most cymbals to my liking is Sabian but I'm not saying that they're the only cymbals I'd play. I like some Meinl cymbals, some Zildjians, some UFIP, very little Paiste, and Wuhan. The only way I would promote one is if I get a check in the mail with a note that says here's to your new endorsement. Hopefully that would be Sabian (no offense to any other company).
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: ikickset on June 17, 2005, 01:25:48 PM
man i like them both. i have mostly ziljian. but i have a sabian o-zone crash. thats like my fav cymbal. im like this, i use what sounds good. until someone endorses me i will use whatever cymbals i like.
Title: cymbals
Post by: drummerboy25 on June 17, 2005, 03:28:06 PM
i use a mixture of both companies, but predominately Sabian.

Sabian-Pro 13" Hats
Sabian-Pro 15" studio crash
Sabian-AA 10" splash
Wuhan-12" china
Zildijian-20" ping ride
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: j_kay on June 19, 2005, 05:36:24 PM
I play what I like, and Sabian just happens to be the majority of my setup.  I am open to whatever sounds good, as I am not endorsed by any of the cymbal companies.  

If you're interested in my set up here is the listing (all cymbals are in a brilliant finish, by the way):

7" Signature Mike Portnoy Max Splash
10" HHX Evolution Splash
13" AAX Fusion Hi-Hats
16" Hand Hammered Dark Crash
17" AAXplosion Crash
18" Hand Hammered Dark Crash
18" Vault Crash
18" Zildjian A Custom China
21" Hand Hammered Raw Bell Dry Ride
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: freddyfusion on June 21, 2005, 11:17:54 PM
waydrummer i am NOT a retard..... :D  :o  it is the difference between good and not so good, between just a hunk of metal and a beautiful cymbal.  the AAX are better than k's the evolutions are better the hh and hhx are better than k's.  the zil's are just NOT MUSICAL...... it is all about personal preference and and personal taste.... then again some people like some horrible things
   holla :)
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: HammerRock on June 22, 2005, 10:13:41 AM
drummerboy25 said:

Quote
i use a mixture of both companies, but predominately Sabian.

Sabian-Pro 13" Hats
Sabian-Pro 15" studio crash
Sabian-AA 10" splash
Wuhan-12" china
Zildijian-20" ping ride


You have a set a lot like mine... I have all Sabians (XS 20s) except for the ride, which is a Zil 20" Earth Ride... nice ping to it. I sold my 20" Sabian Ride.... not enough ping...
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: bmoredrummerguy on June 22, 2005, 11:25:37 AM
who are u to say that zildjians aren't musical if they were the foundation of every cymbal company on this planet if u cant cope with the zildjian then u need not to be a drummer and how can aax be better than a k if u must not have heard the constinople or dark crashes or chinas or splashes plus the guy who created the k series for zildjian branched off from zildjian and made a cymbal company that none of sabians cymbals can compare to those the name istanbul or alchemy ring a bell
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: HammerRock on June 22, 2005, 11:30:13 AM
I've heard some Istanbul ones... not too shabby but really priced high.
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: waydrummer on June 23, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
Hey guess what?  I re-thought about Sabian and I'm going to get some.  I guess if you can't beat them join them, huh?   (I'm still keeping my Zildjians as a second set of cymbals)  I just like giving Sabian a hard time.
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: bmoredrummerguy on June 23, 2005, 05:26:10 PM
i aint going to lie i have an hh 18' crash from sabian the only other cymbals i would buy from sabian would be the hhx xtreme crash or the ozone or effeks crash and maybe the raw bell dry ride but i cant really stand their hi hats any one no of any sabian hi hats that are really good sounding
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: sugabear on June 23, 2005, 07:27:20 PM
Sabian Hand Hammered 13" Bright Hats sound really really good.
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: Jedi3 on June 24, 2005, 10:47:20 AM
Some food for thought:

In my opinion, cymbal choice is as individual as fingerprints.  You have to choose the cymbals that are pleasing to your ears.  Whether it is a Sabian, Zildjian, or whatever, if it doesn't sound and feel good to you, there's no point in using it.  I happen to be a Zildjian man myself and that's just preference.  When I buy cymbals, I usually have someone else in the store play them for me and I stand at different distances and locations in the room to hear how they sound individually and how colorful they are together.  It just so happens that the ones that sounded best to me were Zildjians so that's what I bought.  But just to throw some fuel on the Zildjian vs. Sabian debate......the founder of Sabian cymbals......his first name is Robert........his last name is ZILDJIAN. :D
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: freddyfusion on June 24, 2005, 12:12:20 PM
yeah man everyone knows the founders were brothers.
  and just because something was an original or foundation does not mean it was the best. it was the just the prototype for someone else to make better... like the original game of basketball, the first car,  or the first casio keyboard :lol:  :lol:  
   i haven't played the istanbul cymbals i'll have to try them... but i will always be a sabianese
    :D  peace
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: waydrummer on June 25, 2005, 12:00:58 PM
Some body should go on both websites and see how many people endorse Zildjians and how endorse Sabians, then we'll have our answer!
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: JFunky on June 25, 2005, 01:33:50 PM
C'mon brothers and sisters, settle down. :roll:   It's all about what YOU like.  It's obvious that Zildjian and Sabian are similar to each other in some ways and different in other ways.  The important thing is that whatever cymbal you choose to use has to be musical in every aspect of your playing and does not interupt whatever musical situation you're in.  I've been in churches where they use Ave. Zildjian Medium Crashes and they are just peircing everyones ears in a worship situation.  Not a good choice of weight for a church in my opinion.  Then at another church that I've visited, the drummer was using Thinner Darker cymbals with some bright ones and they just flowed with the music beautifully.  

  All Cymbal Companies have good cymbals and junk cymbals.  It's up to YOU to choose your weapon but at the same time, use a cymbal that flows with the music you play.  If you play Rock, then you would use Med. Thin to Medium of Medium Heavy Crashes.  If you're in Church, Thin to Med. thin should be the heaviest you should use.  It doesn't matter the Company because we're not sponsored.  Just my opinion.
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: waydrummer on June 25, 2005, 02:06:06 PM
What do you like JFunky?, LOL
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: JFunky on June 25, 2005, 02:29:09 PM
All I've played growing up were Zildjians but now I find myself looking for my own personal voice and not some one elses.  I like Sabian Rock/Sizzle Hi Hats (AA) and the AA 12" mini hats.  I also like the new Sabian HHX Evolution 20" Ride and the 21" HH Raw Bell Dry Ride.  
  I'm also liking some of the cymbals that Istanbul has.  To answer your question though, I'm more on the Zildjian side but I like to test out the free agency market. :D
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: j_kay on June 25, 2005, 05:40:11 PM
Nicely put, JFunky!  I couldn't add anything else, since you've hit a lot of points that I would have mentioned.
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: TheEvolution on June 26, 2005, 11:04:07 AM
OK EVERYONE!!!!!! I WAS THE ONE WHO CREATED THAT POST!!!!! I WAS JUST SIMPLY STATING THAT SABIAN'S TRADITIONAL WAY OF MAKING CYMBALS MAKE THE SABIAN SOUND MORE PURE AND RICH, COMPARED TO ZILDJIAN'S MODERN MACHINE TECHNIQUES.........ANYONE AGREE'S?

I WAS FINDINGLEEMO......I JUST DECIDED TO CHANGE MY SCREEN NAME
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: waydrummer on June 26, 2005, 01:23:46 PM
I agree.  I like both each company has their own specialty
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: DrummerBoy1224 on July 04, 2005, 02:45:16 AM
Sabian's AAXplosion line is crazy.  I love them
Title: Zildjian is Loosing to SABIAN
Post by: Metronome on August 02, 2005, 11:59:39 AM
I personallt prefer Zildjian Crashes and splashes but as far as effects (O-Zone, Chinas) Sabian wins hands down.  Th hi-hats go to Zildjian because the K-Z Dynos are somethin serious.  The rides are about the same.