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Main => Gospel Music Lounge => Topic started by: drummerboy25 on June 18, 2005, 09:13:32 PM
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how many of u ever hear people say things that make u scratch u're head? this is especially true in the church. many of us say things that aren't scripturally based, yet we think it is. here are my top 4 scripture quotes that are nowhere in the Bible, even though we use it often.
1. David said, If I had 10,000 tongues...
2. Come as you are.
3. Take 1 step, God will take 2.
4. God helps those who help themselves.
NONE of This is in the Bible! the're just quotes people say and because they sound good and are catchy sayings we use them.
II Tim. 2:15-Tells us to, "Study to show thyself approved..."
we need 2 know God's word 4 ourselves so we won't be mislead by others. feel free 2 add more if u think of them, these are the major 4 to me. :idea:
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Here's some others:
1. When a preacher says, "He has the power to bless and curse."
2. Devil made me do it.
3. Going to church makes you a Christian.
Joy
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How about "The Bible says when the praises go up the blessings come down!" Where is that?
Be Blessed :D
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How about this...
"Hallelujah is the highest praise."
I've been told this is true. I've been told this is NOT true. Is this biblically sound?
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Here's One: The Bible Say's that "Cleanliness is Next to Godliness"
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How about "The Bible says when the praises go up the blessings come down!" Where is that?
Be Blessed :D
This is To BBoy. There is no scripture where that is said but there are plenty examples. (1 Chor. 20:17-25, Acts 16:25, Book of Joshua when children of Israel went to Jericho, I could go on and on) The point is alot of people say this and this is true. God told me that the level of your praise will determine the level of your breakthrough....
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How about this...
"Hallelujah is the highest praise."
I've been told this is true. I've been told this is NOT true. Is this biblically sound?
Xljiccfa, this is not in the King James Version, but if you study the original hebrew and greek bible, this is true. Hallelujuah is the highest form of praise. Study this out and see for yourself. You might learn yourself something lol.
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Here's some others:
1. When a preacher says, "He has the power to bless and curse."
2. Devil made me do it.
3. Going to church makes you a Christian.
Joy
Joy, you read throughout Genesis all the things God has blessed. Obivously he has the power to bless lol. God blesses when we choose life, but the law of the curse (sin and death) takes affect when you choose to live out side of Gods set boundaries. As for the devil made me do it, that is never true. God has given us freewill, the devil didnt mke Adam eat the fruit he did on his own will. Finally, going to church doesnt make you a christian (Roman 10 9 10 clearly stats that) but going to church is what christian people DO in order to be fed the word of God. Hope this helps.
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lilmanofgod wrote:
Joy, you read throughout Genesis all the things God has blessed. Obivously he has the power to bless lol. God blesses when we choose life, but the law of the curse (sin and death) takes affect when you choose to live out side of Gods set boundaries. As for the devil made me do it, that is never true. God has given us freewill, the devil didnt mke Adam eat the fruit he did on his own will. Finally, going to church doesnt make you a christian (Roman 10 9 10 clearly stats that) but going to church is what christian people DO in order to be fed the word of God. Hope this helps
Lilmanofgod...Joy was talkin about the Preachers sayin: That they have the power to bless or curse you
Lilmanofgod wrote
Xljiccfa, this is not in the King James Version, but if you study the original hebrew and greek bible, this is true. Hallelujuah is the highest form of praise. Study this out and see for yourself. You might learn yourself something lol.
is there a book out there cuz i cant read hebrew or greek......and hallelujah is the higest form of praise then what is the highest praise?
Lilman what your sayin I can agree with...but i think this thread was posted to see/hear-some things that are said very often in chruch that arent bibically based and people seem to go with it...using scriptures out of context and flowin with it....and thats not how God intended for us to use his word....I dont want to seem abrasive...its kinda sems like you're blasting these people. :? .when this is basically share what you've heard in church thats makes you raise one eyebrow :wink:
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Thanks for your post brother Lorenso . . . . I chose not to say anything, so thank you for your support. As a Bible teacher, I hear a lot of people saying "the Bible says this" when the Bible says no such thing. That is dangerous, regardless of what the person intended or even if the person didn't know any better.
When Eve added to the Word of GOD, she opened herself to deception. We must be careful what we say when people say "The Bible says this" because GOD is only obligated to confirm what His Word ACTUALLY SAYS, not what people THINK it says. Follow me here?
Finally, many folks simply don't have the background to check for themselves what the Bible says. So if someone says "The Bible says such and such," they will simply think that it is so. See how dangerous that can be?
By the way, there are times when the praises went up and the blessings didn't come down, because the people were not living holy lives. Read the account of Hophni and Phineas, who thought they could live nasty lives and go singing into battle. They were beaten all day long!
Once again, when the children of Israel were on their way to Babylonian captivity, their captors actually told them to sing the songs they sang when they were in Israel. This was completely making fun of them.
Sis JoyCH was talking about people saying they have the power to bless and to curse. However, the Bible clearly teaches us that what GOD has blessed cannot be cursed (Read the account of Balaam, who tried to curse GOD's people).
The Word of GOD must be handled accurately. That was the intent of this thread . . . to challenge saints not to go around misquoting Scripture.
Be Blessed :D
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Hmm.. :? I'm still stuck...if hallelujah is the highest form of praise then whats the highest praise? or is this one and the same.....?
thanks for explaining this to me Bboy.....Your nickname fits you...
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Hmm.. :? I'm still stuck...if hallelujah is the highest form of praise then whats the highest praise? or is this one and the same.....?
thanks for explaining this to me Bboy.....Your nickname fits you...
I found this in the dictionary.
hallelujah
praise ye Jehovah, frequently rendered "Praise ye the LORD," stands at the beginning of ten of the psalms (106, 111-113, 135, 146-150), hence called "hallelujah psalms." From its frequent occurrence it grew into a formula of praise. The Greek form of the word (alleluia) is found in Rev. 19:1, 3, 4, 6.
REVELATION 19
1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, ALLELUIA; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
3 And again they said, ALLELUIA And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; ALLELUIA.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, ALLELUIA: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
I did a search in the Bible and Hallelujah isn't in there... As far as verse wise... However I did see it in the comentaries and footnotes.
Hope this helps.
Just my 20 cents... I have found as I grew in the Lord a lot of things had been revealed to me as false which I believed to be true.
Examples: Mis quotes of scripture; rules laid out by the church that was said to be scripture based; Preachers making a lot of noise but aint saying nothing.
I, like many others, assumed that it was the word because it sound good. It wasn't until I read and studied the word for myself that I realized the truth.
Its funny how we sing/play certain songs and don't even realize the words of that song, this little light of mind, I don't know about yall but there aint nothing little about my light. Now the bible does say let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. So When I step in the room People are blinded. LMBO!!!!
My advice, for anyone who will receive it, Get yourself a bible dictionary, a concordance, a pen and paper and take it with you to church along with your bible and use it to understand the message. If you pastor is like my pastor, He/She will be more than happy to answer any questions or even explain more in depth the message.
Oh and to lilmanofgod... don't be so quick to defend or correct, I had to learn it the hard way. try to see where people are coming from before you answer/comment. I say this to my son and find I have to use the same advice which is Stop, think about what you are going to say before you say it, and make sure it is valid to the subject. (I'm not getting on you just a lil friendly advice :) )
God Bless
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People say that we should hold hands in prayer because the Bible says "when two or three touch and agree, He is in the midst of us"
WRONG!! There is no translation of the Bible that says "touch (physically) and agree."
This is what the BIBLE says:
Matthew 18:19-20
19 - ...That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20- For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
The word says AS TOUCHING...not (physically) touching and agreeing. This verse is speaking of people here on earth praying in agreement and in accordance with the will of God about concerns. There is no where in the Bible that says we need to TOUCH one another. Holding hands is a good tradition, but that's all it is....a tradition.
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Oh and to lilmanofgod... don't be so quick to defend or correct, I had to learn it the hard way. try to see where people are coming from before you answer/comment. I say this to my son and find I have to use the same advice which is Stop, think about what you are going to say before you say it, and make sure it is valid to the subject. (I'm not getting on you just a lil friendly advice :) )
God Bless[/quote]
Um ok. I guess yall dont se the relevance. I wasnt trying to correct anyone, and wut i said wuz valid, u should check the validity. I gave scriptures that helped clear up somethings, kind of like u did with the hallelujuah thing.
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Hmm.. :? I'm still stuck...if hallelujah is the highest form of praise then whats the highest praise? or is this one and the same.....?
thanks for explaining this to me Bboy.....Your nickname fits you...
These are both one and the same
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Lilman what your sayin I can agree with...but i think this thread was posted to see/hear-some things that are said very often in chruch that arent bibically based and people seem to go with it...using scriptures out of context and flowin with it....and thats not how God intended for us to use his word....I dont want to seem abrasive...its kinda sems like you're blasting these people. .when this is basically share what you've heard in church thats makes you raise one eyebrow
I am not blasting anyone, again I was just trying to help. Sorry if you gotted offended
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Well, I would like to thank everyone for the explanation that I needed. I will check into the Greek & Hebrew version of the bible with my mother. She graduated from Seminary school and she had to take BOTH Greek & Hebrew in order to graduate.
Now, as far as my teachings from bible study, Hallelujah is not in the bible, but in Isaiah Chapter 6, the angels were saying, "Holy, Holy, Holy".
So, would "holy" be considered the highest praise?
Are angels and humans equal or does one have authority over the other?
If humans have authority over angels, would 'holy' be considered a lessor praise to GOD IF it is true that 'holy' is the highest praise for the angels?
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I do know that Angels do desire but cannot posess the Holy Ghost "IN" them. Holy would not be the highest praise.
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Now, as far as my teachings from bible study, Hallelujah is not in the bible,
Now this I didn't know. :? (Am I the only one?? :( ) Looks like I'm going to have to look this one up for myself! :D
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Man oh man!....lol Is it safe for me to get in this conversation?
That is why I say all the time that we must get into and study the Word of God for ourselves and allow the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) to lead us and guide us in His Word. We must all allow the Word to Order our steps.
First of all, we must not always take as law what others or the preacher say about the Word. We've got to know God for ourselves and one of the most principle ways that we must know Him is to study His Word because God is His Word. He is the Word.
Now, SOME of the things that people say or the phrases that people use are principles that are stated in the Bible. They are not necessarily quoted verbatim in the Bible.
For instance, I believe someone said that "If you make one step, God makes two." That is an implication of what James 4:8 says, "Draw nigh to God and He will draw nigh to you." In other words if you give yourself unto God then He will meet you and help you.
Another one is about David saying about the 10,000 tongues. Now that is not in the Bible. To tell you the truth about it, thats too many tongues for one person to have. God knew what He was doing when He gave us one tongue because we cannot tame the one we got......lol (James 3:8).
So, let us do what Paul told Timothy, "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes." (2 Tim. 2:23) Let us not get all bent out of shape because of this. Let there be peace.
Peace and Blessings to All!
Saxman
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Now, as far as my teachings from bible study, Hallelujah is not in the bible,
Now this I didn't know. :? (Am I the only one?? :( ) Looks like I'm going to have to look this one up for myself! :D
Hallelujah isn't in the bible however Alleluia is. I did a search of the bible and found that out. There a lot of phrases which aren't in the bible. Like the jehovah sayings... NONE of them are in the bible. but we use them to describe the wonders of our Lord.
Jehovah Jireh: The LORD Will Provide
Jehovah Rapha: The LORD our Healer
Jehovah Roi: The Lord is My Shepherd
Jehovah Sabaoth: LORD of hosts (of armies)
Jehovah Mekeddeshem: LORD Who Sanctifies
Jehovah Nissi: The LORD Our Banner
Jehovah Shalom: The LORD our Peace
Here I go putting my 25 cents in:
There are a lot of things that we do as believer that are, as SisterT stated, "Tradition."
But what is tradition?
Tradition is the passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication.
A mode of thought or behavior followed by a people continuously from generation to generation; a custom or usage.
A set of such customs and usages viewed as a coherent body of precedents influencing the present: followed family tradition in dress and manners.
A body of unwritten religious precepts.
A time-honored practice or set of such practices
Any kind of teaching, written or spoken, handed down from generation to generation. In Mark 7:3, 9, 13, Col. 2:8, this word refers to the arbitrary interpretations of the Jews. In 2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6, it is used in a good sense. Peter (1 Pet. 1:18) uses this word with reference to the degenerate Judaism of the "strangers scattered" whom he addresses (comp. Acts 15:10; Matt. 15:2-6; Gal. 1:14).
Because we do it as a tradition doesn't make it wrong or right. As you can see in the definition “Oral Communication,” will always get twisted. I know everyone can witness to that. LOL!!!
I'm sure if we think hard enough we will find a number of thing that we as believers do that is not in the bible but is tradition. It will be hard for some people to swallow the truth because we are "Set in our ways" But have an open mind. I love threads like these that make you think, but in order to fully grasp what is being said you need to have an open mind.
(NONE OF THIS IS DIRECT TOWARDS ANYONE)
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Nakia 518, those names of God are in the Bible.
Go back and do a search again
I'll give you one:
Jehovah Jireh is in Genesis 22:14 " And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."
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Jehovah Jireh is in Genesis 22:14 " And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."
Ok.. I stand corrected. These 3 are in the bible Jehovahnissi, Jehovahjireh and Jehovahshalom.
I didn't find the others. These were there as one word and not 2. Because of what I was taught "Tradition" they have always been 2 words.
I tried searching the others as one word and separate words and nothing has come up. So they may have been added to the vocaulary after. I guess :?
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This is gettin good.....i'm learning alot here thanks drummerboy for startin this thread
and Lilmanofgod.....I wasnt offended...its just seem like you like to correct folks..i've noticed that in other post.... and when you correct them it seems like its abrasive and not in love...thats just me....
from here i'll drop it....i'm aiight
God is in control, and thats all i gotta say
Peace
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Okay, let me toss this question out there about if this is a Biblical statement or not:
Our trials come to make us strong....
I have heard this statement in many a Gospel song and I have wondered that even though this statement is probably not in the Bible, what is the Biblical basis for it?
Thanks,
Andrea
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2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Just to name one.
God bless,
Eggs
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Saxman said:
First of all, we must not always take as law what others or the preacher say about the Word. We've got to know God for ourselves and one of the most principle ways that we must know Him is to study His Word because God is His Word. He is the Word.
Saxman, we know Jesus is the Word of God. Do you see Jesus as the written or living Word? Do you see/recognize a difference between the written word and the Living Word?
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All I know Hammer what the first Chapter in John says that He is the Word and I know what Paul told Timothy also about the Word in 2 Timothy 3:16,17
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Nakia518 said:
I'm sure if we think hard enough we will find a number of thing that we as believers do that is not in the bible but is tradition. It will be hard for some people to swallow the truth because we are "Set in our ways" But have an open mind.
It is nice to see I'm not the only one that feels this way. I'm denouncing those man-made traditions and walking away from them. Then you have to ask yourself the question "What is really Truth and what is not?"
At the same time, I've realized I don't have to tear something else down to raise up the Truth. I've learned part of this on this site even! Truth will stand on it's own.
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Saxman said:
All I know Hammer what the first Chapter in John says that He is the Word and I know what Paul told Timothy also about the Word in 2 Timothy 3:16,17
Then Saxman, that is a good place to start. Don't you agree? :wink:
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I don't have a problem with people using cliche's as long as they are BIBLICALLY BASED.
What I do have a problem with is when people Supposedly "quote" the bible using non-existant scriptures. I.e. "The bible says....." We have to treat the Word with care and not just treat it any kind of way. God's word is how we know Him.
A few more pieced-up "scriptures" that are NOT in the Bible:
"For the race is not given to the swift nor to the strong, but to He that holds out and endure until the end." (Nope it's not in there!)
"Try the spirit by the spirit."
"The Holy Ghost is just like fire shut up in my bones."
"And Jesus said, Father, prepare me a body and I'll go down and redeem man back to Thee."
"God is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle."
"Sanctify yourselves, and the very God of peace will sanctify you holy."
"Touch not, taste not, handle not any unclean thing."
"It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God."
These are some examples of misquoted scriptures. Some range from (seemingly) harmless errors to gross misstatements. Like I said we have to handle the Word very carefully, because even in some of the examples above, slightly rewording the scripture gives it a totally different connotation, which can be extremely dangerous because whether we realize it or not, bad theology is landing people in HELL on a daily basis!!
Peace!
Loopy
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LOOPY WROTE:
don't have a problem with people using cliche's as long as they are BIBLICALLY BASED.
What I do have a problem with is when people Supposedly "quote" the bible using non-existant scriptures. I.e. "The bible says....." We have to treat the Word with care and not just treat it any kind of way. God's word is how we know Him. So true.
"For the race is not given to the swift nor to the strong, but to He that holds out and endure until the end." (Nope it's not in there!)
YES IT IS: Ecclesiastes 9:11
"God is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle."
YES IT IS: Ephesians 5:27
"It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God."
I SURELY WOULDN'T WANT TO FIND OUT! :wink:
These are some examples of misquoted scriptures. Some range from (seemingly) harmless errors to gross misstatements. Like I said we have to handle the Word very carefully, because even in some of the examples above, slightly rewording the scripture gives it a totally different connotation, which can be extremely dangerous because whether we realize it or not, bad theology is landing people in HELL on a daily basis!!
Well said.
Joy
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Here's some others:
1. When a preacher says, "He has the power to bless and curse."
2. Devil made me do it.
3. Going to church makes you a Christian.
Joy
Joy, you read throughout Genesis all the things God has blessed. Obivously he has the power to bless lol. God blesses when we choose life, but the law of the curse (sin and death) takes affect when you choose to live out side of Gods set boundaries. As for the devil made me do it, that is never true. God has given us freewill, the devil didnt mke Adam eat the fruit he did on his own will. Finally, going to church doesnt make you a christian (Roman 10 9 10 clearly stats that) but going to church is what christian people DO in order to be fed the word of God. Hope this helps.
Lorenzo, thank you for your clarification but I will go one step further -
1. No man on this earth, regardless of title, occupation, background, etc.,
etc., etc., can curse or bless you. Man can hand you a $100 and call
it a blessing but man cannot bless like God can. Man can curse at you
and even play with voodo. But unless God allows it, it can't be done.
2. Either you are born again or you or not. Either God is your father or
the devil is. If you are born of God, how can the devil make you do
anything? You did it because you wanted to do it.
3. Going to church is just that - going to church. The bible clearly
states we have to be born into the church. Salvation is in the heart
not a building. This is just a form of religion not salvation.
I hope this helps.
Joy
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Hey, Joy!
In my post I was giving examples of "pieced-up" and misquoted scriptures. The ones I posted are NOT in the bible as they are quoted.
Ecclesiastes 9:11 reads (NKJV):
I returned and saw under the sun that -
The race is not to the swift,
Nor the battle to the strong,
Nor bread to the wise,
Nor riches to men of understanding,
Nor favor to men of skill,
But time and chance happen to them all.
Notice it DID NOT say "The race is not given to the swift nor to the strong, but to the one that holds out and endures to the end."
Ephesians 5:27 reads (NKJV):
that HE MIGHT PRESENT HER TO HIMSELF
a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle
or any such thing, but that she should be holy
and without blemish.
Notice it DID NOT say "God is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle', as it is commonly quoted.
Hebrews 10:31 reads (NKJV):
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the
LIVING God.
I was just pointing out that we need to accurately quote scriptures to keep them in their proper context.
Peace and love.
Loopy
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ok i had to go to my bible..and i see what Loopy is saying..and that makes since...i can recieve that....
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I love http://www.biblegateway.com
At work, at home... it's just very easy to use AND you can see the same verses in different translations. A very powerful website I think.
No, I don't own it, so I'm not pushing my own website. To tell you the truth, I don't care who owns it. It's good! It's the Bible! :D
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what about eve eating the apple or Jonah being swallowed by a whale, the bible said fruit and big fish. i fell you on misquoting, ithink the truth is that some people have a hard time memorizing things and so paraphrasin helps as long as it is close, now i don't totally agree but i can honestly say that there are alot of storie from the bible or contexts of scripture that i know but don't know exactly what it says word for word, but i can handle the word meaning i know where it is found. like i mean i wouldn't be looking for the story of Saul and David in Matthew, you understand.
and another one of my favorites is bow your heads ( or close your eyes and pray) don't the bible say we should watch and pray? help me out with some understand. and remeber saint s come let us reeason not argue?
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Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Does Jesus mean that we can never close our eyes? Does He mean that we can never get a good night's sleep? Does He mean that we can never pray with our eyes closed?
Personally, I don't think so. I believe He was telling us to be careful, because Satan is always seeking to tempt us into sin. The worse that we can do is to get careless at critical times in life, such as Gethsemane. We need to keep our spiritual houses in order, and our spiritual lamps lit, praying, and expecting Christ's return at any moment.
God bless,
Eggs
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Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Does Jesus mean that we can never close our eyes? Does He mean that we can never get a good night's sleep? Does He mean that we can never pray with our eyes closed?
Personally, I don't think so. I believe He was telling us to be careful, because Satan is always seeking to tempt us into sin.
I'm with you on that.... I think that Jesus means that we should never close our spiritual eyes. No one beneath heaven get get by with "neither slumber nor sleep" :wink: And to go along w/ that, the bible tells us to pray w/out ceasing. No it's not meant to be taken that literally. I think that ceasing in this sense takes the affect of quiting.... don't pray with a spirit of defeat. We are to come "boldly before the throne of grace" right?
P.S.
Let's be carefull about this misquote:
Money is the root of all evil... (not so)
The LOVE OF money is the root of all evil.
Be blessed
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I love [url]http://www.biblegateway.com[/url]
At work, at home... it's just very easy to use AND you can see the same verses in different translations. A very powerful website I think.
No, I don't own it, so I'm not pushing my own website. To tell you the truth, I don't care who owns it. It's good! It's the Bible! :D
www.Sermon.com is another site that is very good.
Joy
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that HE MIGHT PRESENT HER TO HIMSELF
a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle
or any such thing, but that she should be holy
and without blemish.
Lets break it down...
Gotta to go to verse twenty five to understand....
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish
Now here, god is telling the husbands how they ought to love there wives. Then it gives the best example, jesus chrrist, who loved the church, gave himself for it (theres a semicolon) to sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word (comma) that he might present it (the church) to himself (god the father son and holy spirit) not havin spot or wrinkle or any such thing but that it (the church) should be holy and without blemish. So technically god is looking for a church without spot nor wrinkle. Thats why he sent jesus to wash us with the water of the word. hope this helps someone
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wow, u guys should think about locking this post. its 3 pages already. this is a very interesting topic because as said, many people don't know the bible. going off of what some1 told u or just reading the word will not help u. u need 2 study the word of God and apply it for it 2 come alive in u're life. the internet will not help u, u're friend will not help u, it takes 1 on 1 time with u, God and u're Bible. as long as we have millions of preachers, teachers, denominations, etc people will always be confused and misquote as well as misinterpret God's word for their benefit.
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wow, u guys should think about locking this post. its 3 pages already.....
As long as the conversations are respectful, peaceful and not confusing, there is no need to lock a thread. Sorry, we don't lock threads just becasue they are 3 pages long.
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It goes further than just receiving misquoted scripture from others. How can any of us remember every scripture we try to? We are all prone to misquoting the Word to one another.
And not only that.... we can also misquote the Word to ourselves. And... even in addition to that... how many times have you read the same portion of scipture at different times in your life, and been blessed by it in a different way, because it speaks to you differently now, based on where you are in your spiritual walk? Or... Imagine using misquoted scripture at the times when we really need to speak the Word to the devil and his helpers!
Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
God bless,
Eggs
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Hey all,
I know I am new here but I just couldn't sit by and not express something about this topic.
I don't think we should get so caught up with quoting a scripture word for word. If you think about it, our English version is a translation, and in a translation, you will never get word for word. Also think about all of the English translations there are now. KJV, NKJV, NIV, NAS, NRAS, Amplified..etc.etc.etc. The list could go on and on. That's what makes memorizing scripture a little difficult these days, because one group learns NAS and another learns the same scripture in NKJV
Example: Proverbs 3:5-6
NKJV
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths
NAS
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do R93 not lean on your own understanding. 6 In all your ways acknowledge R94 Him, And He will make your paths straight.
It is the principle behind the word that is important. If we get caught up too much in semantics, that gets us nowhere and can really confuse people. Lets keep it simple.
Example: In one gospel, Jesus says those that are baptized in the name of Jesus are saved, in another gospel we are instructed to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. In Acts, Peter said to be baptized in Jesus' name. In Romans, Paul said those who call on Jesus are saved. This is one issue that I hear alot of debate over and see whole families split because of interpretation and which verse has more importance. It really angers me, because Christ's major message is to love one another and tell the world that I love them. But everyone is so caught up with wanting to be right about there interpretation that we just lose love for one another and end up confusing everyone around us.
Lets concentrate on keeping peace in the Body of Christ and stop trying to split hairs over minor things.
Alot of things people say are not quotes, but the principle that God has revealed to them to give them hope, direction, encouragement, or whatever else the person needed at the time. I believe someone was talking earlier about the difference between the living word and the written word. I can quote written word all do long,and that's great; but when I confess the living word from my heart, major changes take place in my life and everyone around me.
Blessings to all!!!
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I do not study without the original King James translation. If I could understand the original Hebrew text, then that is what I would read, because that is the original inspired Word of God.
It's possible to change one word of a sentence, and obscure it's entire meaning. I've seen references in the KJV that say "prayer and fasting", but in other translations, I've seen the same passage reference "prayer" only. So I ask you, should we fast without praying?
Some of what people are taking for Bible "translations", are not actually translations, but are rewordings of an original translation, such as the original King James. But every time it's reworded, it can lose some of it's original intended meaning, and that's very dangerous, according to the book of Revelations.
The original KJV is the closest thing to the original text that I can understand. So I use that, and compare everything else to that. Every Pastor that I have studied under, has taught me to do this as well.
I agree that the truth of the Word, is the most important thing, and we generalize it all the time. However, all these so called translations are not spewing the same truth, in my opinion, and this is one of the reasons why we end up with people quoting things that are not in the original KJV, or taking scriptures completely out of context, and applying them incorrectly.
Just be careful.
God bless,
Eggs
God bless,
Eggs
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Eggs said:
The original KJV is the closest thing to the original text that I can understand. So I use that, and compare everything else to that.
If it works for you then by all means. That's the most important thing!
Some of what people are taking for Bible "translations", are not actually translations, but are rewordings of an original translation, such as the original King James. But every time it's reworded, it can lose some of it's original intended meaning, and that's very dangerous, according to the book of Revelations.
I know there are some translations that do that, so that's why I use the NIV. It was taken from Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts. Here's a BibleGateway link that explains how the translation was made:
http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/index.php?action=getVersionInfo&vid=31&lang=2
Anyway, I've been an NIV user for almost 20 years now. I find it a lot easier to understand.
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You forgot the infamous "spare the rod spoil the child." The scripture says in Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth the rod hateth his son, but he that loveth him chastens him early."
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Rich Wrote:
I don't think we should get so caught up with quoting a scripture word for word. If you think about it, our English version is a translation, and in a translation, you will never get word for word. Also think about all of the English translations there are now. KJV, NKJV, NIV, NAS, NRAS, Amplified..etc.etc.etc. The list could go on and on. That's what makes memorizing scripture a little difficult these days, because one group learns NAS and another learns the same scripture in NKJV
I agree. There are alot translation and Concordances that different people use because they are comfortable with it. I strongly believe in following up with the King James Version but I'm hooked on my Spirit Filled King James Version Bible. But, you can't leave out the fact that the bible states not to add to it nor take any thing from the it. But we are STUDY to show ourselve approved unto God. Don't get caught up in quotes - get caught up in the Word for yourself.
Joy
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Try to understand that the King James Version is just like any other version that was written by "man" even though it was through the Holy Spirit that the version was possible. The Bible itself has been written by numerous authors covering a span of 14 to 18 CENTURIES. The King James Version was published in 1611 after King James I of England, in 1604, wanted a version in HIS modern-day english. (The first ENGLISH translation of the New Testament occured in 1585). And of course, in 1611, the english spoken when THIS version was written, people spoke it as fluently as the english we use today. Now, I believe we can assume that there are translations of the bible that were not written in English, but are still in circulation because those languages are not DEAD languages.
So, if we believe that the bible was written by "inspired" authors, then I believe that the version you need is the version you can understand.
(resources for this post came from bible.com & biblegateway.com)
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Here's a "Did You Know" fact about the KJV:
When this version was written, the writers gave homage to King James by REPLACING words in the new testament. Those today that can translate the Greek bible text found out that certain places where "James" was, the Greek version had the word, "John".
(DISCLAIMER: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do NOT believe I'm trying to sow a discord spirit in this post. I feel that the bible is THE SOURCE for salvation, deliverance, & upliftment. Just wanted everyone to know something about the bible that doesn't appear in your everyday bible study =o)
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Thanks xljiccfa...
Before they lock this topic let's not forget to mention the people who think that memorizing scripture is the equivalent of God writing His law on their hearts.... WRONG!
... there, that may push it into locked mode!
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Or, to quote the immortal words of MA Ferguson: "If the King's English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for the children of Texas!" :roll:
*ducks*
Sorry, couldn't resist.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ma_Ferguson
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I thought I was the only one who even cared....I had a long discussion with my barber about the "heaven helps those who help themselves," If you don't know, dont act like you do...one thing to be a fool, another thing to open your mouth and let everyone else know.
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Here's one:
"God Don't Like Ugly"
Does anyone know how this originated?
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Here's one:
"God Don't Like Ugly"
Does anyone know how this originated?
I don't think anyone is calling themselves quoting scripture when they say this. I think they're simply stating a fact about God: God doesn't like it when people act ugly (mean tempered, mean spirited, etc.).
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If I understand the purpose of the thread, it is to bring attention to the fact that there are some sayings that the Bible doesn't say that people claim are there.
The reason why this is dangerous is that churches are full of people who have never really studied Scripture for themselves, so they often leave conversations or even sermons thinking something that is not true.
GOD will always back His Word, but HE isn't obligated to back something that isn't in His Word.
That is one of the reasons, I really am convinced, that we don't see more miracles, signs and wonders. Miracles, signs and wonders confirm the Word . . . . but if what is being spoken isn't the Word, then . . . . ? 8O
I need the supernatural and the natural working in my life. That's why I need the plain, unadulterated WORD of GOD. :wink:
Be Blessed
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Well said. :) I couldn't agree more.
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Amen Bboy, well spoken! the church does not operate in the true power and authority that Jesus spoke of. any 1 who thinks otherwise is sadly mistaken. God said we are supposed 2 be doing greater works than himself, but we are very far 4rm this. we might see a miracle every now and then. the Jesus and the disciples went around healing every1 they came in contact with, not 1 was left sick. the disciples lacked nothing and every1 that believed received the holyghost instantly. read u're word and u'll find the same thing out.
many people have been saying some very interesting & agreeable things thus far, especially about all these different translations. every1 is always trying 2 find a different/alternate meaning of God's word, but sometimes certain scriptures don't need 2 be explained, just take it at face value. Thee enemies job is 2 de-sensitise the word, and because of the rebellious nature of the people, he's been succeeding in his tasks along with many other aspects. be blessed.
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Amen. And imagine the disaster of someone trying to base their lives off of something they think the Word says, and it says no such thing! 8O
Imagine the disaster of someone thinking, "Well the Bible says that GOD helps those who help themselves," and therefore go out and do things that "help themselves" (manipulate and control others, spend money like they are a millionaire, etc) rather than seek the will of GOD in everything and work in accordance with the Word. Since they want to be married and they think that the Bible says GOD helps those who help themselvges, then they go to clubs and bars . . . . as long as they don't drink or sin themselves, why not? Doesn't the Bible say that GOD helps those who help themselves?
So if they find a sinner, GOD will help them be happily married, right? WRONG! Their lives can be a DISASTER 8O
Imagine someone who thinks "Well the Bible says resist the devil and he will flee," and so they try to resist the devil without knowing that the Bible ACTUALLY says "Submit yourselves to GOD, resist the devil and he will flee."
See where the danger is?
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If I understand the purpose of the thread, it is to bring attention to the fact that there are some sayings that the Bible doesn't say that people claim are there.
The reason why this is dangerous is that churches are full of people who have never really studied Scripture for themselves, so they often leave conversations or even sermons thinking something that is not true.
GOD will always back His Word, but HE isn't obligated to back something that isn't in His Word.
That is one of the reasons, I really am convinced, that we don't see more miracles, signs and wonders. Miracles, signs and wonders confirm the Word . . . . but if what is being spoken isn't the Word, then . . . . ? 8O
I need the supernatural and the natural working in my life. That's why I need the plain, unadulterated WORD of GOD. :wink:
Be Blessed
I totally agree. Well said, Bboy. :D
Joy
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heres another, brace u're selves this might shock u... 8O 8O
*When the praises go up, the blessings come down.
the Bible says this:
Heb. 13:15 (offer the sacrifices of praise to God...)
Psalm 65:1 (Praise waiteth for thee...)
Mal. 3:10 (Bring all tithes into the storehouse...if I will not open the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing...)
Here's another shocker: God inhabits the praise of his people. sorry not in the Bible. inhabit means 2 dwell/live, and according 2 the word of God, God lives in Heaven, however if u're filled with the holyghost, then his spirit should live inside u. this scripture is kind of tricky, so i can see and sort of understand why we would say God inhabits the praises of his people.
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God inhabits the praise of his people. sorry not in the Bible. inhabit means 2 dwell/live, and according 2 the word of God, God lives in Heaven, however if u're filled with the holyghost, then his spirit should live inside u. this scripture is kind of tricky, so i can see and sort of understand why we would say God inhabits the praises of his people.
I cannot believe this thread still gets attention, but I have to say this.
My Bible tells me God is omnipitant. He is a Spirit...hmmm Holy Ghost, He does not have a body... hmmm It died on the cross.
Psalm 22:3
But thouu art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
hmmm... seems pretty lear to me that he dwels in the praises of His people.
I don't feel like searching but... Where two or three are gathered In My Name there am I in the midst of them.
read man.... you need to read. I don't read enough and I've schooled somebody.
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Psalm 22:3
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
You gotta know your Word on this. While it doesn't say "praises of His people", that's what it means. Why? Because the Word also says that we are "grafted in" to the vine right? We are spiritual descendants of Jacob, aren't we? Then God truly does inhabit the praises of "His people".
And having said that, I think this may actually be where the saying "when the blessings go up, the praises come down" comes from, as well, even though it's not in the Bible. In other words, if God inhabits our praise, then we are indeed, blessed by His presence.
God bless,
Eggs
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I just wanted to put my two cents in and respond to the thread. The scripture that says "where two or three are gathered..." is Matthew 18: 20
"When the praises go up, the blessings come down"
I think that when we read the word, and put things into context correctly (with nothing added or subtracted) a saying like this can be justified. We were created to prais the Lord, right ? (Isaiah 43:21).... Every good and perfect gift come from God right? (James 1:17) Since the praise ain't for us and God's blessings ain't for Himself... " "
Just to add... we need to be careful about how we're sharing the Word. We're all a part of God's body right... we need to be sensitive in giving and getting the true and Living Word.
We should never be so bold as to imply with our words "I can't believe you don't know scripture A... everybody should know that" "What have you been studyin.... how long you been saved" etc...
This is 2 Timothy 2:14-16 (Amplified) I encourage everybody to get this:
14Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.
15Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.
16But avoid all empty (vain, useless, idle) talk, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness.
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Amen Scoop Amen.... Couldn't have put it better myself...
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And I haven't saw anything about the most famous missaid quote.
"When I Think Of The Goodness Of Jesus And All He's Done For Me, My Soul Crys Out Hallelujah I Thank God for Saving Me."
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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And I haven't saw anything about the most famous missaid quote.
"When I Think Of The Goodness Of Jesus And All He's Done For Me, My Soul Crys Out Hallelujah I Thank God for Saving Me."
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I know this is an old forum, but how is this quote "missaid" ??? :)
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Well, I haven't said anything about this, so now is my chance:
I can't believe that y'all have forgotten the MOST famous quote of all,
"God/the Lord works in mysterious ways."
THIS ISN'T IN THE BIBLE PEOPLE!!!!!
What I have found is that although we read God's word, we many times fail to properly exegete the scripture. God's word is true and infallable to the degree that it CANNOT be changed... misinterpreted, but not changed. As readers we must be able to distingush the difference between what is literal and metaphorical in the Word. Also, you need understand the writer; who he's addressing and the purpose of his writing (e.g.) we read Romans as if Paul is addressing sinners, but the ordinaces he gives them are based on them ALREADY being saved.
Biblical doctrine cannot be compromised. Things such as salvation, church structure and discipline, Godhead, ministry , etc should be taken at face value. Lastly, you must have a spiritual frame of mind to read a spiritual book. God's Word is life and that life is spiritual, so how do you expect to understand the spiritual with a carnal/natural mind?
Be blessed
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people tend so quote this scripture quite often and it is misquoted: I thank God that I'm clothed in my right mind.
But The scripture is refering to a man that was possessed with a devil. Mark 5:15 and Luke 8:35 after Jesus cast that
devil out the man was sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind. You can't clothe a mind only a body.
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When your quote is: The Bible says, you had better quote it exactly as it is written. And not only that, use it in it's
correct context. When God told Moses to go to Pharoah, He had to say every word correctly that God told him to say.
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth. 2Tim 2:15. God Bless you all!!
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I am not sure if this has been said but one of my favorite misquotes is when someone doesn't show up to do a solo and the MC chooses someone from the audience to sing and they say with a smile "The word says to be ye also ready". I hate that.
And, as far as "not being Bible" I would have to go with "Hallelujah is the highest praise".
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hmm interesting
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LOL!!! Whatever happened to lmog? We had some good times. He would come in going all the way off on folks, lol. He's gotta be about 20 by now.
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LOL!!! Whatever happened to lmog? We had some good times. He would come in going all the way off on folks, lol. He's gotta be about 20 by now.
:D :D :D :D
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I have heard..
1. You aint to go to church to be saved
2. You aint suppose to question God.
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What did Madea say in that one movie ...
Noah was swallowed by a whale? ROFL
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What did Madea say in that one movie ...
Noah was swallowed by a whale? ROFL
Or... "Blessed are the piecemakers... Blessed are Smith and Wesson" :D :D
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Or... "Blessed are the piecemakers... Blessed are Smith and Wesson" :D :D
ROFL!!!
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Thanks for your post brother Lorenso . . . . I chose not to say anything, so thank you for your support. As a Bible teacher, I hear a lot of people saying "the Bible says this" when the Bible says no such thing. That is dangerous, regardless of what the person intended or even if the person didn't know any better.
When Eve added to the Word of GOD, she opened herself to deception. We must be careful what we say when people say "The Bible says this" because GOD is only obligated to confirm what His Word ACTUALLY SAYS, not what people THINK it says. Follow me here?
Finally, many folks simply don't have the background to check for themselves what the Bible says. So if someone says "The Bible says such and such," they will simply think that it is so. See how dangerous that can be?
By the way, there are times when the praises went up and the blessings didn't come down, because the people were not living holy lives. Read the account of Hophni and Phineas, who thought they could live nasty lives and go singing into battle. They were beaten all day long!
Once again, when the children of Israel were on their way to Babylonian captivity, their captors actually told them to sing the songs they sang when they were in Israel. This was completely making fun of them.
Sis JoyCH was talking about people saying they have the power to bless and to curse. However, the Bible clearly teaches us that what GOD has blessed cannot be cursed (Read the account of Balaam, who tried to curse GOD's people).
The Word of GOD must be handled accurately. That was the intent of this thread . . . to challenge saints not to go around misquoting Scripture.
Be Blessed :D
WOW!!!! :D