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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: bigbeatz_08 on August 19, 2005, 06:18:32 PM
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yo wuz good everyone? i gotta 10' steel pearl firecracker, i love this snare, but recently whn working with a well- known producer, he asked me if i had a standard sized (14') snare. which i didn't, back then i didnt understand wut he meant by getting a 14' but know i do. (If u have a 10'' snare then u understand that it dosent have tha full sound like a bigger sized one), but.. What do u all reccomend? I dont have tha $$ for one right now, but still i would like some reccomendations, please respond! -Peace-
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What's your price range? This will determine some possible suggestions. :)
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I would think your producer would be either footing the bill for the snare or already has the right snare, especially if you're doing recording and he's well known. The sound of the snare is a HUGE piece of a track. He wants you just to go and pick one up? He's not stringing you along is he?
Anyway, what's your price range?
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around tha $150-$250 range u know? brotha still young, aint gotta a full time j-o-b yet .
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yo wuz good everyone? i gotta 10' steel pearl firecracker, i love this snare, but recently whn working with a well- known producer, he asked me if i had a standard sized (14') snare. which i didn't, back then i didnt understand wut he meant by getting a 14' but know i do. (If u have a 10'' snare then u understand that it dosent have tha full sound like a bigger sized one), but.. What do u all reccomend? I dont have tha $$ for one right now, but still i would like some reccomendations, please respond! -Peace-
Fellas it is always good to keep at least 3 good snares on hand, especially if you are going in the studio. A majority of Pop/Rock drummers take a minimum of 6 in the studio to try out and they (the engineer, drum tech, producer and the drummer/band) decide on which one to use for a particular track.
That being said: Gospel guys need to stop leaning so heavily on Soprano (10"-12'" x 5") because they are too shallow and offer to short of a sound for anything other than hiphop songs. 12x6 or 12x7 are the smallest I would recommend in a Soprano that will still off a "big dawg bite." Example: Yamaha Musachi Oak 12"x6" w/Groove Wedge (My personal Favorite cause I own one), Pearl Maple 12"x7" , Allegra 12"x7" Maple, Yamaha 12"x6" Brass Nouvou..... Yamaha 12"x6" Musachi will hit you about $239-250 ($192).
13" offer a bit more power and body with a high pitch bite - Yamaha 13"x6.5" Musachi Oak, Yamaha 13"x6.5" Brass Nouvou, Pearl 13"x5" Omar Hakim Signature Power picollo... Yamaha 13"x6.5" Musachi Oak will hit you about $239-250 (lowball at $192).
Pearl 14"x4" Copper Free Floater gives a warm maple-like fat/full sound with a crack that will take your head off... $300.. (got one on lay-a-way).
If you keep a 12"x6", 13"x5"-6.5" and a 14"x4"-5", up to a 14"x6.5 Dennis Chamber on hand you will be on your way to having a basic professional setup for versatilty. A good professional and versatile snare DW Edge or Craviotto or Any number of others brands is going to cost you about $450 and up! When in doubt carry a 13"x5 or up.
Drums sound different indifferent rooms/venues so be prepared. What works in one place doesn't always work in the next. I hope this wisdom is of benefit to any all here. I hope also that I was able to answer you question Big Beatz.
--SabianKnight (just joined the forum... 30 sumthin', hungry and blessed of God)
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That being said: Gospel guys need to stop leaning so heavily on Soprano (10"-12'" x 5") because they are too shallow and offer to short of a sound for anything other than hiphop songs.
You can say that again! As he stated, the key element is owning a set of versatile instruments, and not having a one dimensional sounding one.
That was some good consultation, SabianKnight. I am not aware of any quality snare drums in your price range - maybe someone else could chime in with a snare (a versatile one, that is) that is within your budget.
For what it's worth, I have a Tama Starclassic G Maple 6"x14" snare drum, and planning on purchasing a 5"x14" and a 7"x13" to add to the palette.
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ay thanx alot, i really appreciate all yall's comments, yall sound like yall got thangs in tha bag, moreso than me (even tho i've been playin for 13 years) but i'll get to yall level one day. but ay i really appreciate tha comment aout how gospel drummers need to get out of tha habit of getting 10''/5 an 12''/5 snares, and im learning that now, but yo thanx alot ta everyone, since i feel like im tha youngest one here, i look up ta yall like bug bro's ya heard? Be Blessed/ not stressed aight? -peace-
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Be blessed and remain teachable. Wisdom comes from God but it evolves in us through experience. Make sure you apply it... Remember faith without works is dead.
NOTE: that in the last to issues of Modern Drummer two major African American drummers have graced the cover and 2 major and influential "Chuch Boys" have had major articles: Chris "Daddy" Dave and Teddy Campbell. NEITHER of which use a small snare as their primary. Chris Dave uses a 13"x7.5" and Teddy Uses a 14"x5.5" Chromed Yamaha Paul Leim Signature with a 12"x6" to the left. (Paul Leim is one of the greats of Nashville's country recording scene).
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Be blessed and remain teachable. Wisdom comes from God but it evolves in us through experience. Make sure you apply it... Remember faith without works is dead.
NOTE: that in the last two issues of Modern Drummer, two major African American drummers have graced the cover and 2 major and influential "Chuch Boys" have had major articles: Chris "Daddy" Dave and Teddy Campbell. NEITHER of which use a small snare as their primary. Chris Dave uses a 13"x7.5" and Teddy Uses a 14"x5.5" Chromed Yamaha Paul Leim Signature with a 12"x6" to the left. (Paul Leim is one of the greats of Nashville's country recording scene).
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12x7, 13x7 DW Edge is going for $800-899... I asked today.
But when you play on it almost plays itself. I played the 12x7 and it is truth.
Two different experienced players/owners of the 14x6 Edge said that it works in any style playing situation.
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I would just get a standard 14x5.5 maple from whatever company you want. I personally like the 14x5.5 Maple snare from Yamaha. I also like the Sonor 14x5 brass. That thing sounds amazing.
I was always taught that 10", 12" snares are auxillary snares. So are 13x5 snares.
I think main snares should be 13x5.5, 13x6.5 or 7 and of course 14x5, 14x5.5, 14x6, 14x6.5, 14x7.
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For what it's worth, I have a Tama Starclassic G Maple 6"x14" snare drum, and planning on purchasing a 5"x14" and a 7"x13" to add to the palette.
Listed above are my recommendations for versatile snare drum sizes. If it's financially feasible (over a period of time), I try would get all three sizes.
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Yeah those are the right sizes. A few years back when I was about 12 I fell into the "small snare trap". They were only good for certain venues. Then I hijacked my lil cousin's 13"x5" off of his Tama Stagestar. I also use a 14"x6" copper shell trick. but Im about to get the Yamaha Steve Jordan.
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Yeah those are the right sizes. A few years back when I was about 12 I fell into the "small snare trap". They were only good for certain venues. Then I hijacked my lil cousin's 13"x5" off of his Tama Stagestar. I also use a 14"x6" copper shell trick. but Im about to get the Yamaha Steve Jordan.
I never really liked smaller diameter snare drums, mainly because I "grew up" using 14" diameter snares - whether it was marching, symphonic or drumset, it was always that diameter! 13" is the smallest diameter that I will go down to.
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I'd like to get that 14" Yamaha Custom Maple with the wood hoops on rims. But I don't necessarily 'need' it right now. Also I came across a massive Yamaha tub that was the ultimate. Couldn't believe it. Thing must have been about 14x10" seriously! It was a pearl white with gold hardware & godel model plate. When I struck it, it was instantly obvious why this thing was ON SALE for $799 (Reg. like $1100). It had the tight crack of a marching snare combined with a thick lo mid-range growl. I've never heard a snare like that 1 before or since. Anybody know of this 1? This was also about 3 - 4 years ago. Talk about a perfect snare sound. I'll bet the timbre range was such that you could tune it to sound like any other snare.
Right now, at 1 church I'm on a Mapex Brass 13" (peuter & chrome in color / can't think of the model name right now) it produces medium body with a real sharp crack on top. Cost about $250 w/tax.
Then I got a lil "10 Maple Body Jungle snare (with the double tambourine jingles all the way around). Tight, sharp & Loud!!! Them jingles give it a unique sound. Plus the heads have a lil of that tambourine tone in them. But it's still bright & brisk. Really successful at recreating the sound of 2 instruments in 1 stroke. Or for advanced expression, flat-stick it where the tip hit's the center just before the shaft strikes the rim (flam style) & you can simulate the natural delay between 2 human musicians. In record production it's called offsetting, to get that real soulful loose-pocket happening.
So if, you're looking for something interesting and different as an auxiliary, check out the Jungle. I got it on sale @ MARS for $99.99 (reg. $179) back like 3 1/2 years ago. Nobody was on it when I got it. But I've started noticing a few cats with them pretty recently. Watched a concert DVD maybe a year ago & noticed that dude had it too. I almost wanna say it was Usher Live. Could be mistaken though.
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The Steve Jordan is a nice open sound... 4-ply maple, no chemicals... wide open crack with a lil dirty ring like the ole skool.
Copper is really got me hype lately.... every since I played the Roy Haynes Signature hand hammerd a couple years back.
Playing a (borrowed) nickle-plated brass Pearl 14x6.5 Steve Ferrone Signture with die-cast hoops on a jazz gig tommorow (Friday) and loving it. Crack, body, great rim click of course. Versatile.... even with the stock remos.
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Playing a (borrowed) nickle-plated brass Pearl 14x6.5 Steve Ferrone Signture with die-cast hoops...
Die cast hoops are the joint!!! I don't have any experience with wooden hoops on snare drums; can anyone give me an educated reply on the sound attributes?
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I don't know how educated this will be but all I can tell you is that wooden hoops or rims have a killer, in your face rim shot. It also has a really nice woody effect while playing on the rims. That's it.
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I don't know how educated this will be but all I can tell you is that wooden hoops or rims have a killer, in your face rim shot. It also has a really nice woody effect while playing on the rims. That's it.
J - this is some good information, man! How does that sound compare to die cast hoops?
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J_Kay, the sound is warmer. You don't have the metal to metal contact of die-cast to hoop of the drumhead.
Russ Miller and Terri Lynn Carrington among others frequenly use them on there toms as well. Even hard rocker Tommy Aldridge from White Snake. They all also happen to be Yamaha artists.
I spoke to Steve Gadd aat his clinic tour in May (hosted by Memphis Drum Shop @ rhodes College)and he stopped using them though. He didn't feel it gave his snare as wide of a tuning range as he liked. But for a year or two he used wood hoops on his nickle-plated brass Signature Snare.
His new model snare has die-cast hoops.
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Yo.. You chopped it up with GodFather Gadd?!?! Thumbs up Sabian. I'm sure he is Extremely particular about his snare sound. Considering the innovative groove licks that he creates. That insight is definitely a gem.
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This is some good stuff, JFunky and SabianKnight! I really appreciate your insight.
The reason as to why I asked about this is because I saw this: (http://www.moderndrummer.com/rsrc/img/1005_SteveJordan2.jpg)
That really intrigued me about the potential sound of this snare in conjunction with the wooden hoop configuation.
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That pix is Steve Jordan himself workin' out.
He is the only cat I have seen with a Yamaha bass drumm that doesn't have a tom mount drill at all. BUt when you have 2 signature cocktail drum sets and a signature snare, and playingon and producing , Alicia Keys' "You Don't Know My Name" and the lates John Scofield CD... you can have it like that.
When God blesses, here pours it out, LOL.