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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: mrwhite on September 27, 2005, 11:22:51 AM
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I'm thinking to get the A mastersounds, quick beats, new beats OR AAX's. what do y'all think? What hi-hats have the best sound for church and just grooving?
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I currently have 13" A Quick Beat Hats. I have also played the A Mastersounds they are very nice. But my preference, also, my next purchase will be 14" K Mastersound hats. I love those so much.
Zildjian Mastersound Hats are incredible, Whether you want A or K would be your pref.
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I've got 10 in Paiste. I've never heard another hi-hat sound the way it does.
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Thanks bro. my the way, I checked out your site yesterday. Pretty nice. You need to post some pics of yourself, your family, and of course, your set!!! I posted some other topics, help me out dogg!!!
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Thanks bro. my the way, I checked out your site yesterday. Pretty nice. You need to post some pics of yourself, your family, and of course, your set!!! I posted some other topics, help me out dogg!!!
Thanks. I got pics coming pretty soon. I just put the site up last week. So bear with me!! haha.
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I use K-Custom Mastersounds. Very Versatile, with a tight chick and the wash for open playing is nice as well.
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I just purchased a pair of 13" Sabian AA Fusion Hats. They're probably comparable to the Zildian K/Z combination. I think they sound pretty good and are versatile.
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...the ones that has the most "chick" and defined stick sound to your ears! *lol*
No, seriously - I think that it would be best for you to hear each model to ascertain which model produces the best sound. Everyone has a preference of the "perfect" hi-hat sound. Who knows, you may like the A Custom Mastersound, or you may like the AAX (Stage, Fusion, Fast, etc) series of hats.
Don't worry about playing what others would approve of. It's about what you like! :)
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I'm thinking to get the A mastersounds, quick beats, new beats OR AAX's. what do y'all think? What hi-hats have the best sound for church and just grooving?
I am with J_Kay hihats are personal. The big thing is to get a pro series .
I think that the 13" Quickbeats would do you good if you like Zils. For me Mastersounds don't offer enough subtle sizzle.
Sabian wis you could ru the gambit. I am partial to the 13" AAX Fast Hats=medium thin top for the nice wash and an Extra Heavy vented bottom for the cutting chick. I also like the 14" AA Fusions and even the 14 AA Regulars.
Again hats are personal because you spend so much time on then. HiHats creat the attitude of a song. The way you play the hihat is what gives the vibe of the song so it needs to speak in your voice. Unfortunatley most of the superstores carry a limited stock of good sounds and the best sounds they usually do have. Go to the respective company web sites and listen to the sound clips of all the hats. Check the artist setups of artist you like and see what they are playing. You will have heard their sound on CD and you'll know if that's what you want to roll with. Read what the company says are the characteristics... this stuff is not a hustle but a description of the intended users sound.
I play 12" AA Minis and they cut, have a great chick, a nice wash but I need a second and larger set to accomodate certain songs, particularly ole skool stuff. You can't get ole skool sound from 12" hats and rarely 13"s . Remeber to consider the music you play most when picking size especially. THe industry has turned to 13"s mostly in the last few years.
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HHX Groove Hats Or HHX 13 Fusion Hats :wink:
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i think the 13" AAX Fusion Hats are the best.
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I really like the A Custom Mastersounds 13" and both Zildjian and Sabian 12". (Sabian AA Mini 12", Avedis Z 12")
I join the rest of you guys that said 13" K/Z Dynobeats and 13" AAX Fast Hats. I haven't heard the Groove Hats yet.
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I am partial to the 13" AAX Fast Hats=medium thin top for the nice wash and an Extra Heavy vented bottom for the cutting chick.
Whatchu say about the Fast Hats??? I heard a pair (on a hi-hat stand) for the first time, and I must say that I would trade my AAX Fusion hats in a second! *lol*
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I am partial to the 13" AAX Fast Hats=medium thin top for the nice wash and an Extra Heavy vented bottom for the cutting chick.
Whatchu say about the Fast Hats??? I heard a pair (on a hi-hat stand) for the first time, and I must say that I would trade my AAX Fusion hats in a second! *lol*
Fast Hats are the ONES to get in my opinion. You and I have very similar tastes. I don't think you'll be disappointed. They are tasty... crisp yet not too metallic.
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Yeah, man - I couldn't stop playing them! Thry had an excellent stick sound, excellent foot chick sound as well as a nice sizzle/sloshy sound. The Fusions are very nice, but I think that the Fast hats has an edge over them!
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Sabian, or j_kay, can you elaborate as to the difference in sound from a 12 to 13 or 14" hats? What sound should each produce? what is better for a church environment? and I like the K/Z Zildjians, what do you guys think?
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I LIKE DA AAX 14 INCH STUDIOS. DOSE MY BABIES. I WISH I HAD DEM THO :lol: THOSE SOUND NICE 4REAL
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Sabian, or j_kay, can you elaborate as to the difference in sound from a 12 to 13 or 14" hats? What sound should each produce? what is better for a church environment? and I like the K/Z Zildjians, what do you guys think?
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12"s cut. They are always crisp .They are good for recording. Great for busy, intricate hat patterns funk and drum-n-bass.
13"s are the new all-around. They have more body than 12s yet retain that crsip cut to get through electric music. fats response.
14"s tend to lend that big easy going sound if they are thin and a meaty sound if they are thicker. You hear 14s all the time because they are condisered the standard hihat size you they are necessarily unique unless you just got that pair. 14"s and even 15"s are a definite for most heavier rock music because they have a big voice. Also for ole skool funk. *** Steve Jordan uses some proto type 17" hats in his latest Modern Drummer interview. Maybe even on the Alicia Keys track, "You Don't Know My Name" which he produced.
In today's church I recommend 13"s as your main hats and maybe running a set of 10"s or 12"s on an X-hat. If you do more up tempo funky stuff. If you have a fair shair of ballad worship songs then maybe runa set of 13" Fast Hat/Quick Beat/Master Sound/Edge type against another set of 13" Regular /New Beat type hat.
The other thing is brilliant versus natural/satin finish. THis affects the sound as well. Experiment as your ears mature you will/should add to your palette. The first step is to leave the B8s and such alone and invest in your sound... don't wait on the church to. I'll bet the feedback that you get from people will be positive.
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yo i got the one and only limited edition mini hi-hats Sabian AA 8" just picture to hi-hats together with a sweet sound and u kno what u get??? my hi-hat
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THE BEST HI HATS THAT ARE CRISP CLEAN EVERYTHING ARE THE SABIAN FUSION HATS HANDS DOWN.
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I'll take the offset sized MasterSounds. Crisp, bright & thin... Can't stand that metallic ping sound on my hats.
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I'll take the offset sized MasterSounds. Crisp, bright & thin... Can't stand that metallic ping sound on my hats.
Which Offset Mastersounds are you referring to? I am not familiar with that...Please explain.
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*lol*
I was about to type the same response. Which size? 12"? 13"? 14"? 15"?
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I've been trying to hear two different HiHats but everytime I go to S.A. or G.C., they don't have them. One is the Sabian HHX Groove hats and the other is K Zildjian Hats. 13" & 14" on both. (I guess that makes 4 hihats. :oops: )
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I am really thinking about the Zildjian DYNO Hats. They have a K on top and Z on the bottom. One is slightly larger than the other. Does anyone have any knowledge, good or bad, about these Hats..???
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Yeah, they have some serious cut. They also sound real nice in recordings. Most of the time I've seen and heard them is on a live setting because they project well for a 13". Overall, they're real good. (To me anyway)
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They do have sound clips for da cymbals don't they? :?:
Have you tried that?
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I think that he is aware of that, but I have the feeling that he would rather audition them in person to hear every nuance of the cymbal before making a (major) purchase. :)
The soundclips are good, but it pales in comparison to being able to play the cymbal in person. Everyone has a different touch when it comes to playing the cymbals (and drums). :)
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I think that he is aware of that, but I have the feeling that he would rather audition them in person to hear every nuance of the cymbal before making a (major) purchase. :)
The soundclips are good, but it pales in comparison to being able to play the cymbal in person. Everyone has a different touch when it comes to playing the cymbals (and drums). :)
Amen J...Amen. Thats exactly right. I have heard all the sound clips, but that is not accurate. You have to actually play them, even then, they sound different at your exact location....
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On another note, Sabian's AAX Fast Hats are killin' the competiton! *lol*
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I just bought some Zildjian 13" Scimitar High Hats with a Brilliant Finish. I got a killer deal them. We shall see how they sound. Anyone know about these?
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Yeah, they're Zildjian's early to mid ninties entry line of cymbals. We had a set at my church in 1990.
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Sidenote: Zildjian had two types from what I can recall - Scimitar and Scimitar Bronze. I cannot recall the difference, though.
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What up Mr. White? I play new beats and I have a pair of Z's also. And with the two I mix them in combos. I go Z top and new beat bottom. It's an interesting sound. Z are real thick more for heavier playing and the new beats are for that studio sound so I get a very clean and crisp sound.
But the New beats are the standard so try the them out when you go to the store and make a decision. God bless.
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On another note, Sabian's AAX Fast Hats are killin' the competiton! *lol*
TRUE, TRUE....
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Anyone here not from Memphis (Memphis Drum Shop lesson rooms) ever played the old Zildjian Platnum series.
What do you guys think of the down and dirty 13" K Custom Special hihats which (remind me of the Bospherous New Orleans series)?
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Too dark for my tastes. :)
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Anyone here not from Memphis (Memphis Drum Shop lesson rooms) ever played the old Zildjian Platnum series.
What do you guys think of the down and dirty 13" K Custom Special hihats which (remind me of the Bospherous New Orleans series)?
I like dark....Maybe they will suite my taste. I am really torn about hihats right now. I like my 13" new beats, but am tempted for a new sound.
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Zildjian Scimitar's suck. My aunt use to have some that I use to borrow when I got serious about playing. They don't have a decent sound quality whatsoever. If you're going that route Sabian B8's sound waaaay better than Scimitar. Now, the ZBT are pretty cool, but I would stay away from Scimtar, and they're ugly as all get out to boot.
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Zildjian Scimitar's suck. My aunt use to have some that I use to borrow when I got serious about playing. They don't have a decent sound quality whatsoever. If you're going that route Sabian B8's sound waaaay better than Scimitar. Now, the ZBT are pretty cool, but I would stay away from Scimtar, and they're ugly as all get out to boot.
Hey Suga, I found that out after I got them yesterday. I already sent them back!!!! I dont know why, but for some stupid reason, I was thinking they were like some high end vintage or something...Man was I wrong!! haha. I agree, I would also take ZBT's over those.
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Hey "E" let me help you out. Get the A Custom Mastersounds 13". Listen to your fellow Zildjian brother. :wink:
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Hey "E" let me help you out. Get the A Custom Mastersounds 13". Listen to your fellow Zildjian brother. :wink:
You would take those over the K Mastersounds? What is your Zildjian Pallete? Let me know what you got.
I am torn between
A Cutsom Mastersounds
K Mastersounds
or
Dyno Beats K/Z
all 13's.
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yep, the scimitar's are very weak. they're for beginners, entry level cymbals. But so are any entry level hi hats from any cymbal company. Thats just my humble opinion.
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what you need to get the 14" A zildjian new beat hats. they are perfect for any musical situation are one of the most recorded hats in the world....
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the best zildjian hi hats i heard was a 13" k hi hat on top and a 13" a custom mastersound bottom at the bottom if any one has access to these to hi hats put them together and tell me what u think
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Interesting combination... I'd love to hear those.
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the best zildjian hi hats i heard was a 13" k hi hat on top and a 13" a custom mastersound bottom at the bottom if any one has access to these to hi hats put them together and tell me what u think
Interesting. I might have to try that.
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im looking forwanrd to this recording i am doing before the end of the year and i am going to use those hi hats but its an r&b recording so when the cd is finish i am thinking about playing a song on here but not sure cause it is secular music and i dont wanna offend anyone with obscene song lyrics but i will put the nices song we have on here
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Whatchu say about the Fast Hats??? I heard a pair (on a hi-hat stand) for the first time, and I must say that I would trade my AAX Fusion hats in a second! *lol*
I know the thread is super old but i wanted to research and find a thread on my situation before i posted a thread. I ordered a pair of 13" AAX Fusion Hi-hats but what came in was a pair of 13" AAX Fast hats, i didnt send them back because i wanted to try them out in person first and i dig the sound. But ive been wondering which of the two were better you in some you alls opinion? Especially you J_kay, my taste is similar to yours.
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I know the thread is super old but i wanted to research and find a thread on my situation before i posted a thread. I ordered a pair of 13" AAX Fusion Hi-hats but what came in was a pair of 13" AAX Fast hats, i didnt send them back because i wanted to try them out in person first and i dig the sound. But ive been wondering which of the two were better you in some you alls opinion? Especially you J_kay, my taste is similar to yours.
If the AAX's don't fit the bill, I would suggest the AA Fusion hats(AA top, HH bottom). I have a 14" pair. Everytime I played, somebody would ask me what kind of hats I was using. They are very crispy and record well too. Also, Sabian EQ hats are great hats too. Just a suggestion.
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Ay, I had the AAX Fusions since 2004, and they worked fine for me. As of recent, my ear wanted to hear more of a washier tone when doing some splashes. I ended up getting Meinl's Fast Hats, since my 12"s were destroyed by someone at church. R.I.P., 12" A Custom Mastersounds...
To answer your inquiry, I would choose the Fast Hats out of the two. I love that extremely defined foot chick and stick sound. Because of the sheer weight of the bottom cymbal, I'm not sure if you'd get a really nice musical spread/wash from them (although I haven't tried to when I tested them out in a store).
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Ay, I had the AAX Fusions since 2004, and they worked fine for me.
Sidenote: I got rid of them thangs, too... They're not bad hats, though - I just wanted something different.
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I really like tha hats Ronald bruner was using on the SSV2 joint
They sound like HHX Groove hats.....im not sure though
I couldn't get a good look at them
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...I'm with j_kay on this one. We have the AAX Fusion Hats at my church. Not bad at all but my ears have polished up a bit and the music that we're playing is asking for a pair of hats that have a smoother sound and not too bold. (CCM/Worship) So I agree, the AAX Fast Hats are very good. You should keep 'em.
...Are they Brilliant or Natural Finish?
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I have an older pair of 13" AAX Fusions where the top hat has a thinner cut similar to the Fast Hats however I prefer the Fast Hats. That thin top over extra heavy bottom is very musical. You get very nice wash from the thin top.
I found a set of 10" AA Fusion mini hats that sound better than my 13"s... even had better wash. I don't know if they are still available but if they are...
Those Ronald Brunner hats were 15" prototypes. 15" hats are really popular amongst some of LGMs favs : Chris Dave and Terreon "Tank" Gully both use them. I plan to get a set of them myself in the not too distant future.
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i got 14inch Z mastersound hi hats and its the first thing anyone notices. they are veryy nice
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I have an older pair of 13" AAX Fusions where the top hat has a thinner cut similar to the Fast Hats however I prefer the Fast Hats. That thin top over extra heavy bottom is very musical. You get very nice wash from the thin top.
I found a set of 10" AA Fusion mini hats that sound better than my 13"s... even had better wash. I don't know if they are still available but if they are...
Those Ronald Brunner hats were 15" prototypes. 15" hats are really popular amongst some of LGMs favs : Chris Dave and Terreon "Tank" Gully both use them. I plan to get a set of them myself in the not too distant future.
I actually just used a pair of the 15" HHX Groove Hats (Nat. Finish) for a recording a few weeks back. I might have to go back and buy those. Even though they had wash, they weren't out of control. They're even more versatile than I thought they would be. The only thing I wish they had more of was stick definition, but it wasn't bad enough to complain about.
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...I'm with j_kay on this one. We have the AAX Fusion Hats at my church. Not bad at all but my ears have polished up a bit and the music that we're playing is asking for a pair of hats that have a smoother sound and not too bold. (CCM/Worship) So I agree, the AAX Fast Hats are very good. You should keep 'em.
...Are they Brilliant or Natural Finish?
Brilliant
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Ay, I had the AAX Fusions since 2004, and they worked fine for me. As of recent, my ear wanted to hear more of a washier tone when doing some splashes. I ended up getting Meinl's Fast Hats, since my 12"s were destroyed by someone at church. R.I.P., 12" A Custom Mastersounds...
To answer your inquiry, I would choose the Fast Hats out of the two. I love that extremely defined foot chick and stick sound. Because of the sheer weight of the bottom cymbal, I'm not sure if you'd get a really nice musical spread/wash from them (although I haven't tried to when I tested them out in a store).
Thanks for the response. I'm going to keep them.
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I own the 13" AAX Fusion Hats. I love them. Which hats do you guys think are more versatile?
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Thanks for the response. I'm going to keep them.
Ay, no problem, man! Let us know how they work out for you, especially when they get played in more. I'm sure that they will get even sweeter with age.
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I own the 13" AAX Fusion Hats. I love them. Which hats do you guys think are more versatile?
Versatile out of what choices?
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Ay, no problem, man! Let us know how they work out for you, especially when they get played in more. I'm sure that they will get even sweeter with age.
Will do.
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I actually just used a pair of the 15" HHX Groove Hats (Nat. Finish) for a recording a few weeks back. I might have to go back and buy those. Even though they had wash, they weren't out of control. They're even more versatile than I thought they would be. The only thing I wish they had more of was stick definition, but it wasn't bad enough to complain about.
change your sticks for those... go to a round bead or a nylon bead to bring out the definition. The "E" series from Regal Tip gives a woody sound though it is a nylon tip.
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Versatile out of what choices?
My bad...forgot to mention...out of the 13" AAX Fusion hats and 13" AAX Fast hats?
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Ay, you could make both of them fit most genres, if you speaking about 'versatility'. Sure you could play a lot of styles of music with either, but it just depends on what you feel what compliments the music the best.
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Studio Hats are nice. Very controlled. Pretty good stick definition too :)
The 13" A Custom hats are good.
I own the K/Z's and they are sweeeet! :D
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change your sticks for those... go to a round bead or a nylon bead to bring out the definition. The "E" series from Regal Tip gives a woody sound though it is a nylon tip.
I forgot all about those! Good Looking out!
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Studio Hats are nice. Very controlled. Pretty good stick definition too :)
The 13" A Custom hats are good.
I own the K/Z's and they are sweeeet! :D
...yep. Both of those are very nice. I like both the 13" and 14" A Custom models. Dave Weckl made those 13" K/Z Dyno Beats very popular. Till this day I still call them "the Weckl's". LOL
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He has left an indelible mark on those hats and he isn't a Zildjian artist anymore...
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...yep. Both of those are very nice. I like both the 13" and 14" A Custom models. Dave Weckl made those 13" K/Z Dyno Beats very popular. Till this day I still call them "the Weckl's". LOL
Yeah. Those hats are really nice man. Do you own a pair.?
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He has left an indelible mark on those hats and he isn't a Zildjian artist anymore...
...that's funny.
*Customer calls Zildjian* - "I want to purchase Dave Weckl's Signature HiHats used on his Evolution DVD Series." Zildjian - "Sir, Dave Weckl is no longer with us nor did he have a signature hihat combination with us."
...the 13" K/Z Dynobeats are the Original Weckl's. LOL
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...the 13" K/Z Dynobeats are the Original Weckl's. LOL
Which are used extensively in churches, although I've never seen Weckl play in church...
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Which are used extensively in churches, although I've never seen Weckl play in church...
I just played some at church this past Sunday. Nice observation.
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You would take those over the K Mastersounds? What is your Zildjian Pallete? Let me know what you got.
I am torn between
A Cutsom Mastersounds
K Mastersounds
or
Dyno Beats K/Z
all 13's.
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Wow. I've changed. I'd like to think, more mature. ?/? :-\ :)
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Wow. I've changed. I'd like to think, more mature. ?/? :-\ :)
...lol. I'm still your fellow Zildjian brother though. ;)
Hey "E" let me help you out. Get the A Custom Mastersounds 13". Listen to your fellow Zildjian brother. :wink:
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...lol. I'm still your fellow Zildjian brother though. ;)
lol. Zildjian is now spelt with an M. :D
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lol. Zildjian is now spelt with an M. :D
...and ends with an "l". ;D
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...and ends with an "l". ;D
lol. ;D ;D
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...hey E-R, your 13" Dark hats and the T. Lang's (13") are my favorite right now. I like Johnny Rabb's for the X-hats. j_kay and I tested out the Byzance Brilliant Crashes last night. (16" Thin and Med. Thin) So far, the Med. Thin wins out of the two. I want to check out the Tradish. line though. 8)
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...hey E-R, your 13" Dark hats and the T. Lang's (13") are my favorite right now. I like Johnny Rabb's for the X-hats. j_kay and I tested out the Byzance Brilliant Crashes last night. (16" Thin and Med. Thin) So far, the Med. Thin wins out of the two. I want to check out the Tradish. line though. 8)
The Darks and T.Langs are definitely my faves. I'd love to get my hands on some T. Langs next. Tradish line is sweet. its what I got and I love it. It makes sense that the Med. Thin would win in the Brilliant Finish. The Thin would would probably sound too bright. Darks and Jazz are tough too. ;)
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The Darks and T.Langs are definitely my faves. I'd love to get my hands on some T. Langs next. Tradish line is sweet. its what I got and I love it. It makes sense that the Med. Thin would win in the Brilliant Finish. The Thin would would probably sound too bright. Darks and Jazz are tough too. ;)
...I'm actually trying to get the pallette as versatile as I can get it. When I saw Russ Miller last night, his pallette sounded great across genre's. From Jazz to Pop...his cymbals were there and blended extremely well. I said to myself...."Self, you have to develop your ears like Russ and j_kay." LOL
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Ive got the 12" a custom mastersounds and i love them, theyre so nice and crisp and they have a great choke sound.. i would definately recommend them
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Brilliant
Im sorry, theyre traditional. And the sound has been broken in and theyre awesome. The stick definition is best with round beaded sticks like Vater 7A Manhattans. Im also goin' to purchase another set that blends rather than cut but dont know which yet...
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Wait until you get some nice HHXs, UFIP Natural Light Hats or some Byzance Darks... ;D
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Wait until you get some nice HHXs, UFIP Natural Light Hats or some Byzance Darks... ;D
;) :) 8)
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Ay, truth be told, I'd go with the UFIP Natural Light Hats over the two.
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Ay, truth be told, I'd go with the UFIP Natural Light Hats over the two.
Hey, we can't always love the same thing. ;D
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I'm thinking to get the A mastersounds, quick beats, new beats OR AAX's. what do y'all think? What hi-hats have the best sound for church and just grooving?
Man why so bright!!! HH 13 or 14' Groove Hats, HH 13' Fusion Hats, HH 14' Rock Hats, HH 14 Regular Hats!!! Try those out first.
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...the ones that has the most "chick" and defined stick sound to your ears! *lol*
No, seriously - I think that it would be best for you to hear each model to ascertain which model produces the best sound. Everyone has a preference of the "perfect" hi-hat sound. Who knows, you may like the A Custom Mastersound, or you may like the AAX (Stage, Fusion, Fast, etc) series of hats.
Don't worry about playing what others would approve of. It's about what you like! :)
This guy... ;D