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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: YoungDrumma on December 09, 2005, 12:20:43 AM
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How can a drummer gifted by the Holy Spirit even consider do such a thing as using his/her gift to help praise the enemy with secular music?
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How can a drummer gifted by the Holy Spirit even consider do such a thing as using his/her gift to help praise the enemy with secular music?
What about Yanni? Would you feel convicted for touring with him?
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How can a drummer gifted by the Holy Spirit even consider do such a thing as using his/her gift to help praise the enemy with secular music?
What about Yanni? Would you feel convicted for touring with him?
If he's not bringing the gospel of my Lord and Savior, yes. Wouldn't you?
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IM NOT TRYIN' TO SOUND RUDE OR ANYTHING BUT, ALL SECULAR MUSIC ISN'T SATANIC MUSIC.
JUST B/C IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT GOD OR JESUS ECT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BAD MUSIC TO PLAY.
SOMETIMES I HEAR SONGS THAT DOESN'T EVAN MENTION THE WORD JESUS,GOD,HOLY GHOST. OR NOTHING LIKE THAT. ITS NOT EVAN TALKING CHURCH I DON'T THINK?
BUT YET AND STILL PEOPLE SING IT IN THE CHOIR AT CHURCHS, ON THE RADIO ECT.
IM NOT GONNA SAY ANY NAMES OR ARTIST
KANYE WEST'S JESUS WALK WAS BLOWING UP THE GOSPEL CHARTS AND THAT IS A TRUE SECULAR SONG.
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IM NOT TRYIN' TO SOUND RUDE OR ANYTHING BUT, ALL SECULAR MUSIC ISN'T SATANIC MUSIC.
JUST B/C IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT GOD OR JESUS ECT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BAD MUSIC TO PLAY.
SOMETIMES I HEAR SONGS THAT DOESN'T EVAN MENTION THE WORD JESUS,GOD,HOLY GHOST. OR NOTHING LIKE THAT. ITS NOT EVAN TALKING CHURCH I DON'T THINK?
BUT YET AND STILL PEOPLE SING IT IN THE CHOIR AT CHURCHS, ON THE RADIO ECT.
IM NOT GONNA SAY ANY NAMES OR ARTIST
KANYE WEST'S JESUS WALK WAS BLOWING UP THE GOSPEL CHARTS AND THAT IS A TRUE SECULAR SONG.
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Bruh I am going to record a a video clip fro the Craig Lewis dvd and he talked about jesus walks. I just want u to hear for yourself.
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SOMETIMES I HEAR SONGS THAT DOESN'T EVAN MENTION THE WORD JESUS,GOD,HOLY GHOST. OR NOTHING LIKE THAT. ITS NOT EVAN TALKING CHURCH I DON'T THINK?
BUT YET AND STILL PEOPLE SING IT IN THE CHOIR AT CHURCHS, ON THE RADIO ECT.
IM NOT GONNA SAY ANY NAMES OR ARTIST
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Just because people sing those songs in the church it doesnt make it right. The had Shakakahn(Spell check) at the mega fest and u think thats right? Everyone in church is not saved.
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What'd he say buddy?
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SOMETIMES I HEAR SONGS THAT DOESN'T EVAN MENTION THE WORD JESUS,GOD,HOLY GHOST. OR NOTHING LIKE THAT. ITS NOT EVAN TALKING CHURCH I DON'T THINK?
BUT YET AND STILL PEOPLE SING IT IN THE CHOIR AT CHURCHS, ON THE RADIO ECT.
IM NOT GONNA SAY ANY NAMES OR ARTIST
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Just because people sing those songs in the church it doesnt make it right. The had Shakakahn(Spell check) at the mega fest and u think thats right? Everyone in church is not saved.
Check your self because Chaka Khan is saved. She was also featured on TBN. She was also on TBN. The influence of here and Larry Graham lead Prince to change his ways. Start this stuff up and folk will be attacking Aretha Franklin and countless others.
Truth is let's not start this who is saved who's not saved arguement because we are not the judge. On the Day of Judgement a whole lot of us are going to be surprised because we assumed etc. God made us all with a purpose and all things work according to His will... so let's not start questioning the Master and bring down fury on this cyber house or your individual houses.
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I dont knock anybody for not wanting to play secular music........... BUT like someone else mentioned in this post earlier, all music NOT promoting Jesus, is not satanic...... Im sure many of you who are saying this work jobs or watch shows on tv that does not BUILD THE KINGDOM.. So please dont make it seem like people who are not playin Gospel music are doin something wrong.. If i had the gift and the oppurtunity to play w/ someone outside of the gospel, would I? Yup, I would be careful but, like Tye Tribbett said, its important to be grounded in the word, when u are doin these things because you dont want to fall into some of the habits of your fellow band members, singers, etc.
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If music not promoting God or Jesus Christ isn't satanic, then what is it? I don't remember the Bible saying anything about a middle ground, or grey area.
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Tru.
For him, or against him. It don't say nothing about neutral.
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JrDaDrumma, you said I dont remember the Bible sayin anything about a middle ground, but where are you taking this from in the Bible???
And so i have a job that doesnt promote God or Jesus, is that Satanic?? What if I watch, say "My Wife and Kids" on tv am I supporting the devil because that television show doesnt support Jesus, come on guys.. Its cool if this is how you interpret the Word but that doesnt mean they are right
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You don't really have a choice bigbizz. It's not like you can be a gospel accountant, or a gospel lawyer, but playing the drums, you have a choice. The Bible says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. Don't think it's an accident that the secular music business is where the "real" money is.
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It's all about moderation dude. Actually, you could say that any TV show not glorifying the name of Christ, is Satanic. However, God doesn't expect us to be perfect. But playing secular music just to make money... that's just a conscious decision to sin.
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It's all about moderation dude. Actually, you could say that any TV show not glorifying the name of Christ, is Satanic. However, God doesn't expect us to be perfect. But playing secular music just to make money... that's just a conscious decision to sin.
I totally agree with you, folk. There's nothing holy about secular music and choosing to participate in it is choosing to sin, point blank. God is the only perfect being. The Bible says that we are created in the image and the likeness of God. Now, if God were a drummer, do you really think he'd be playing for anyone who didn't glorify His name? I don't. That's what I'm trying to get across. I didn't start this poll to cause problems in this forum. As a musician, I feel obligated to spread The Word. I don't know who you are, but you make a lot of sense. Don't let anyone tell you that you don't know what you're talking about.
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We are certainly in the last days.
Darkness will grow, compromise will also.
Good thing I'm on the winning team.
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2 QUESTIONS
1- if choosing to play secular to make money is choosing to sin. what is CHOOSING to watch a tv show that is not an only christian show to be entertained?- from cartoons to videos- it is all satanic- according to you, because it is not only Gospel/Christian.
2- what about a group of christian musicians just playing music/intrumentals not gospel songs just MUSIC they used their talents to create.
please offer "answers"
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i'm not sure about how you guys really feel about it because the bible does say that our gifts will make room for us.. now if i am a musician and that is my gift, why can't it make room for me? i mean i would not take a "gig" knowing that i would have to compromise my christianity but i mean if that is how you feed your family or yourself for that matter... then how is it wrong? the bible also says if a man don't work he don't eat. i think that we as christians are too worried about who's getting into heaven and who's not.. Only God knows that... we gotta work out our own souls salvation with fear and tremblin.. not to say we don't help a rother out but we shouldn't judge our walk is based on an individual relationship with God... be blessed
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Everybody Check this out please!!! Nice article on our discussion.
http://www.feedstop.com/community/lofiversion/index.php/t221.html
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Great comments in that article. To my knowledge Salt has been save quite some time. Will Smith has never been per say a worldly rapper. He has always been positive. His comments at the last music awards show only reaffirms that.
Speaking of the last awards show... The Grammy's a few weeks ago. Mary Mary looked Real uncomfortable having to present the award to 50 Cent (although he was not in attendance)... they had to except the reward on his behalf. What was up with that? Who put them in that kind of position and why did they do it? As my step-dad use to say, "Heaps see but few know."
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Everyone know's who MaryMary is, right? (Hope so). They made a CD back in 2000 titled "Thankful". It has the song "Shackles" and "Still My Child". Well, people should check out track 10 on the album, called "Good to Me". Why? It features a VERY popular SECULAR GROUP called "Destiny's Child" (the original 4). 8O Darn! I guess I can't buy MaryMary's albums any more 'cause they're goin' to hell for collaborating with sinners. :(
:roll: All joking aside, my point is, EVERYONE who does good also does bad. Those who spread God's word are themselves SINNERS, just like the rest of us. So why are we so quick to judge?? Besides, why do people keep saying the Gospel artists are collab'n with the Secular artists?? I like to think of it the other way around. Maybe these Gospel artists and the word of God are slowly but surely pulling the seculars in. Most of them were brought up in church anyway, so they can't stray too far away without coming home (prodigal sons & daughters style). :idea: Just a thought...
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Everyone know's who MaryMary is, right? (Hope so). They made a CD back in 2000 titled "Thankful". It has the song "Shackles" and "Still My Child". Well, people should check out track 10 on the album, called "Good to Me". Why? It features a VERY popular SECULAR GROUP called "Destiny's Child" (the original 4). 8O Darn! I guess I can't buy MaryMary's albums any more 'cause they're goin' to hell for collaborating with sinners. :(
:roll: All joking aside, my point is, EVERYONE who does good also does bad. Those who spread God's word are themselves SINNERS, just like the rest of us. So why are we so quick to judge?? Besides, why do people keep saying the Gospel artists are collab'n with the Secular artists?? I like to think of it the other way around. Maybe these Gospel artists and the word of God are slowly but surely pulling the seculars in. Most of them were brought up in church anyway, so they can't stray too far away without coming home (prodigal sons & daughters style). :idea: Just a thought...
TRue.. True.
My comments were not to pick on Mary mary they were to point out basically what you said. Most of the Soul Seekers group plays for secular artists mainly. Lead singer Teddy Campbell and his brother Warren the bass player in the group are married to the sisters in Mary Mary. THey still however have one of the hottest gospel albums out. And they even took it back to the Quartet Days.
This is one subject we just need to let go and Let God...
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2 QUESTIONS
1- if choosing to play secular to make money is choosing to sin. what is CHOOSING to watch a tv show that is not an only christian show to be entertained?- from cartoons to videos- it is all satanic- according to you, because it is not only Gospel/Christian.
2- what about a group of christian musicians just playing music/intrumentals not gospel songs just MUSIC they used their talents to create.
please offer "answers"
youngdrumma, jrdadrumma, audiocr38ive, i want to know what you all think about what is above???
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To be honest this is another topic that can go on for days, weeks, months and sad to say years. Resaon being is because everyone has different views and opinions. So to everyone, if you are confessing that you are saved, if you don't already, pray before you accept work (gigs). Allow the Holy Spirit to help you in your decision making concerning the gig. Trust me it works....... now do I play secular...... yes I do, but I am very careful where I allow myself to be or what I hear.
Second note...... Please lets not talk about whos saved and who is not. When were we made the judge, to judge? And to be honest, to the most holies of holies people, if you were to sit down and to be honest with yourself and judge yourself honestly by the word of God, I am sure you will find something that is a sin in Gods eyes. In the book of Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and all fall short of Gods glorious standard. Matthews 7: 1-2 Stop judging others, and you will not be judged. For others will treat you as you treat them. Whatever measure you use in judging others, it will be used to measure how you are judged. And in you own personal time continue to read Matthews 7: 3-6.
Last but not least, alot of us don't understand certain things, and because we don't its in our nature to talk about what we don't understand. You never know who is on a assingment from heaven, if you look at your Wed. nights and Sunday morning services you will notice that everyone in your city thats unsaved is not attending. So, a indvidual whom God can trust, and that really has him on the inside of them, in other words someone thats not on breast milk anymore, but you are now eating the big boys steak, or to say it this way your not so easy to be tripped up. That individual may be on assignment to go to some of the remote places and do some serious recrutting for the kingdom of God. So again I say what we don't understand lets not talk about it, but lets pray about it and ask God to give us insight and understanding on what we don't understand.
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very well put on all three points
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Well freddyfusion, like I said before, it is all about moderation. God will allow some things, and certain people can handle certain things. But, I know God wouldn't allow playing music that isn't of him. Just ask yourself these questions: If Jesus were to come sit next to me, would I panic? And, is what I'm doing drawing me away from Christ in any way? We are human, and God obviously knows that. So theres nothing wrong with appropriate entertainment, or fun. Because the fact of the matter is, even saved humans will have carnal tendencies, we can't help that. But, in my opinion, choosing to sin is wrong. Playing secular music is a choice. Secular means wordly, now you tell me if there's something wrong with that picture!
About making your own music, there's no problem with that. It just depends on how you use it. God has blessed us with talents for a reason, so use em'! Just be careful where and how you use them! :D God Bless
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Hey y'all, if I can add something quick and short.....?? :lol: Ummm....I agree with the last couple of posts to this topic. Also, the bible says, "In all your ways acknowledge Him and He'll direct your path." This topic has come up many many times before and there is ALWAYS disagreements. If y'all truly want to know the answer.....seek God. Plain and simple. If you draw nigh unto Him, He'll draw nigh unto you. It ultimately DOES NOT matter what everyone's opinion is (especially if it doesn't not line up with God and His word), only God's opinion of what we do matters. If we would focus on pleasing God as the most important purpose in our lives, then all of our questions will be answered. Yeah we may have to seek counsel for some things, but for this type of topic, the answer ONLY comes from God. How would you know the truth about anything, if you're not seeking God for it????? :? We must be careful to not be self righteous family. I'll stop there.....God bless.....
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jrdadrumma,
Well freddyfusion, like I said before, it is all about moderation. God will allow some things, and certain people can handle certain things. But, I know God wouldn't allow playing music that isn't of him. Just ask yourself these questions: If Jesus were to come sit next to me, would I panic? And, is what I'm doing drawing me away from Christ in any way? We are human, and God obviously knows that. So theres nothing wrong with appropriate entertainment, or fun. Because the fact of the matter is, even saved humans will have carnal tendencies, we can't help that. But, in my opinion, choosing to sin is wrong. Playing secular music is a choice. Secular means wordly, now you tell me if there's something wrong with that picture!
1- moderation is not choosing to do different things over others it is not going to extremes, not being excessive, it's how much of something you do.- thesausrus.com: balance, calmness, composure, constraint, coolness, justice, justness, lenity, measure, mildness
2- to me it just seems like you are contradicting yourself,- i am not attacking you, just asking you to think about what you said- some secular entertainment is choosing to sin, some is appropriate :?: Tv IS secular entertainment, movies ARE secular entertainment, So just like tv shows and movies have different things that range from appropritate to not, so does secular music.
Should we play music that is against what the word teaches- no
is all secular music like that- no.
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Is secular music satanic, good question. The truth is that anything that you do as your job, watch, or listen to that doesn't glorify God, you are giving a chance for the enemy to use that to cause you to stray away from God. That is why it is so important to be careful of what we do, see, and listen to. We should all glorify God in everything we do 24/7. We as Christians should only have jobs, sing, play music, and watch shows that build up the kingdom. But some of us (including myself) hasn't grown to that point and may never grow to that point. I am a big Martin Lawerence fan, so if you told me that I had to stop watching Martin to increase my spiritual walk, it would be a struggle for me. It doesn't make us or myself less of a Christian, it just shows that we all have a lot more growing to do. It is all about sacrifices (Rom. 12:1-2). That is what made Jesus Christ so spectacular. He sacrificed his whole life to pleasing the Father. He is a prime example of what can happen spiritually, when we sacrifice our desires for the love of the Father.
So to answer your question. All secular music isn't satanic. All jobs isn't satanic. All T.V shows isn't satanic. But everything starts with a thought,(but every man) and everytime you listen, watch, or do anything that doesn't glorify God it can put a thought in your mind and the enemy will try to use that until it becomes what you feel (is drawn away by his own lust). Once it becomes what you feel, it becomes a desire of your flesh (and enticed). Once it becomes a desire of your flesh, that is when often times, we submit to it.
Be Blessed and Be the blessing
Scripture ref. James 1:14-15
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many people would say that its not ok for me to do a secular gig(job) becuz some of the artists promote drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, etc. this is true. so i guess it would be ok for me to work at a local grocery store, right? well if im a cashier at a local grocery store i have to ring up customers who purchase alcoholic beverages, ciggarites, and lottery tickets. so is that better? the local grocery store promotes, drinking smoking, and gambling. but most saints would say that it is ok for me to be employed at a local grocery store. man i know who i am in God and what i stand for. but i still have to sell that person that bottle of whatever and the carton of whatever he/she smokes. but im saved. so its just a job. and i may be put in that position to minister to someone who normally would not go to church. so in everthing weather its playing for alicia keys, kirk franklin, or working at a grocery store. seek God first. holla!
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many people would say that its not ok for me to do a secular gig(job) becuz some of the artists promote drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, etc. this is true. so i guess it would be ok for me to work at a local grocery store, right? well if im a cashier at a local grocery store i have to ring up customers who purchase alcoholic beverages, ciggarites, and lottery tickets. so is that better? the local grocery store promotes, drinking smoking, and gambling. but most saints would say that it is ok for me to be employed at a local grocery store. man i know who i am in God and what i stand for. but i still have to sell that person that bottle of whatever and the carton of whatever he/she smokes. but im saved. so its just a job. and i may be put in that position to minister to someone who normally would not go to church. so in everthing weather its playing for alicia keys, kirk franklin, or working at a grocery store. seek God first. holla!
AMEN bro. I couldn't agree more. Yes....And seek GOD first!!
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Freddyfusion, all I can say is, if you or whoever doesn't feel convicted at all about playing secular music, then go for it. It's just not something I would do. People can try and find loop holes all they want, but you know when you're openly sinning against God. So just pray about it. :D God Bless
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STOP JUDGING AND DOWN CASTING OTHER CHRISTIANS BECAUSE OF THEIR CHOICE IN JOBS!!!! OK YOU DONT GO WORK A SECULAR JOB AND SEE WHERE YOU END UP!!!! AND MAN!!!! LOTS OF SECULAR PLAYERS ARE CHRISTIANS...I hear about more smot (sexin, cheatin, being gay) coming from you church musicians then I do from the ones in the secular world! Get the church musicians saved first! Dont forget about that beam!!!
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Greetings this is Spider79 from Sacramento, CA. Okay another "touchy" subject but I am not afraid to answer. To me I seem to come across to a lot of people because I wear earrings, I hav the baggy clothes (name brand stuff) from an outward appearance I may seem not to have the CHRISITIAN "look" (LOL). TO me GOD has given me a GIFT. Now in that gift I must be moderate. I have played in all fields of music. I have done a heavy metal band, country band, a rap group and jazz in the club scene quite often. It's about moderation. Now when I get a call for a gig I am probing questions to see what type of music is being sung and what's the message of vibe of the band. Now if they are cursing and talking about killing and drinking and talking about brothas as "n*****" and females as "the B" word & there is everything about the group is derragotory then of course I wouldn't support that. Now I would do gig with Toby Keith (Country) or someone like Brian McKnight (R&B). Now get this some R&B artist and country artist are SAVED and in church and regularly being featured on the WORD and TBN networks. Now I play every Saturday at this jazz club. It's a family setting but they serve drinks. Now this has happened to me a lady from my church came to my show and was totally shocked to see me and my wife (who I accompany to all my ministerial opportunities) and she was like "What are you doing here?" I responded providing the evening entertainment. Now I didn't have a drink, I wasn't on the floor dancing wild and embarrassing myself. I wasn't hitting on the ladies I wasn't acting as the normally "Club" environment is stereotypically. So does that make me unsaved? The catch is when she came to church the next day she was sharing with some folks that I saw SPIDER in the club performing last nite but yet he wasn't out of character he maintained his Christian image, he even was sharing and inviting folks to his church outside after the venue. On the other hand this lady felt bad cuz she was acting a fool up in da club (LOL). My thing is I have a family to provide for. Now MUSIC is a gift and MINISTRY but it's also a business so if the coins is right and are going to help pay my mortgage I am goingto do the engagement. But in that I am going to be moderate I wouldn't go on the road with 50Cent or Snoop Dogg cuz I don't support rap and don't listen to it now not to say their music ain't phat because the catz are tight and str8 crazy lyricist (no matter what they were paying me) I choose to be moderate. I have gone on tours and when everyone else is out partying after the show I am back in the hotel playing some PS2 or XBOX or watching ESPN shedding on the EPAD or out shopping. I choose not to get down with the others. I am there for one thing to exemplify CHRIST as much as I can. Now if that makes me a loner or outta place then so be it. But a prime example is catz like AARON SPEARS who is truly anointed and doing his thing. GOD has blessed HIM and yet he is humble enough and grateful enuff to continue to give the PRAISE and EDIFICATION to CHRIST and he is smashing with USHER!!!!!!
I love LGM because ya'll keep it real on the site keep doing what you do and respect everyone and what they say!
I'm outty!
Spider
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With all due respect that you gentlemen and ladies deserve, I think we should let this topic go. There are already three of these going and it seems like for the past month it's a tug of war. Can we let it go? If you want the answer, go into prayer and fasting and seek the word of God and let him show you His Way and Purpose in your Life. That's it.
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The influence of here and Larry Graham lead Prince to change his ways...
http://www.adherents.com/people/pp/Prince.html
You have a very good point. However, outside of the 'who's saved' thing, these two guys are bad examples for making your point on this site. They're Jehovah's Witnesses. Do not mistaken JW as a denomination. They reject the deity of Jesus. If JW's a denomination then so is Islam. They both believe in God but not the deity of Jesus.
Tony
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Spider I agree 100 percent man....
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The influence of here and Larry Graham lead Prince to change his ways...
[url]http://www.adherents.com/people/pp/Prince.html[/url]
You have a very good point. However, outside of the 'who's saved' thing, these two guys are bad examples for making your point on this site. They're Jehovah's Witnesses. Do not mistaken JW as a denomination. They reject the deity of Jesus. If JW's a denomination then so is Islam. They both believe in God but not the deity of Jesus.
Tony
Yet another example of why we don't need to get into this who is saved who isn't topic as well as condemnation/questioning someone's "holiness" based on their professional status as a musician.
I made reference to my knowledge based on an interview I had seen with the Artist... as in the information on the link you posted Prince was/is (because I don't know the credibility of this info) a Seven Day Adventist. At any rate now I get tied to your posting or need to prove/discredit who is "holy" and seemingly bringing question to my spiritual character (which you do not know). NOt going to happen here or any other venue.
As my point was to be careful in our judgements of people's spiritual/religious belief's as musicians still stands. Now to see the point of dragging me (someone trying to bring this bickering to an end) through the mud is what should be avoided... throwing stones from glass houses.
We are not the judge of anyone's salvation. We can only hope to be a vessel of enlightenment to the knowledge of the one whom is, Jesus Christ under authority of the One whom sent Him our Creator, God Almighty. Were we humans not doing so much natural damage we wouldn't need so many spiritual band-aides. Stop creating natural offences trying to figure out how to get to Heaven because you are blocking your own path (each and everyone doing it). Finding out how to complete your purpose is our assignment heaven has always been our destined place (Adam just jacked te route up through sin). Being able to say it is finished... and hearing well done... should be our focus.
I am done with this supposed discussion (as everyone here should be).
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Where would Jesus be hanging out? With the sin sick folk or the folk at church ready to stone a sista cause she committed adultry.
It's worth discussing and I'm glad we have the forum to talk about this...that's what forums are for so don't shut us down because NO DOUBT ALL OF US LOVE JESUS. We're family and have to work some things out.
Yo to the one kid that's out doing his things and PS2ing, XBOXing and shopping, Do your things partner? Stay accoutable but do your thing.
FINGAZ
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... as in the information on the link you posted Prince was/is (because I don't know the credibility of this info) a Seven Day Adventist.
There's no creditability issue. It's ALL over the place. Prince did not keep this a secret:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4660051
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=prince+jehovah%27s+witness&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8
As my point was to be careful in our judgements of people's spiritual/religious belief's as musicians still stands.
If we recognize what they say out their own mouths means we're judging them??
Now to see the point of dragging me (someone trying to bring this bickering to an end) through the mud is what should be avoided... throwing stones from glass houses.
Dragging you thru the mud, just because I said they're JWs???
We are not the judge of anyone's salvation. We can only hope to be a vessel of enlightenment to the knowledge of the one whom is, Jesus Christ under authority of the One whom sent Him our Creator, God Almighty.
You can't be a vessel and witness for Christ if you paint yourself into a corner to the extent that you can't point out if someone is worshipping a rock because that's 'judging another's salvation.'
Why are you getting defensive and offended?? I agreed with you. I was just saying those guys are JWs. Their doctrine is to NOT accept the Diety of Jesus, contrary to the Gospel (and Jesus). That's not an attack on them. That's their doctrine. Go and talk to one.
Hey, we're Christians, I think. We're suppose to try to understand one another and try to work together. All you needed to say was you disagree. At times, I DO set out to offend people but this wasn't one of those times. So, I apologize.
Tony
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THANK YOU SPIDER!
not all of it is bad and against God
we can be a witness
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1st of all would everyone go back and read what I wrote on the other page. Secondly can this topic be locked? And never brought up again. This is a personal matter between a individual and christ. Just because someone else may say its wrong or they can't do it, don't mean its wrong to and with everyone else. Lets grow up and really be mature in the things of God.
As I stated before can we really do a real self examination? No need to worry about the log in somone else eye when you have the whole tree in yours. Lets really just stop this.
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... as in the information on the link you posted Prince was/is (because I don't know the credibility of this info) a Seven Day Adventist.
There's no creditability issue. It's ALL over the place. Prince did not keep this a secret:
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4660051[/url]
[url]http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=prince+jehovah%27s+witness&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8[/url]
As my point was to be careful in our judgements of people's spiritual/religious belief's as musicians still stands.
If we recognize what they say out their own mouths means we're judging them??
Now to see the point of dragging me (someone trying to bring this bickering to an end) through the mud is what should be avoided... throwing stones from glass houses.
Dragging you thru the mud, just because I said they're JWs???
We are not the judge of anyone's salvation. We can only hope to be a vessel of enlightenment to the knowledge of the one whom is, Jesus Christ under authority of the One whom sent Him our Creator, God Almighty.
You can't be a vessel and witness for Christ if you paint yourself into a corner to the extent that you can't point out if someone is worshipping a rock because that's 'judging another's salvation.'
Why are you getting defensive and offended?? I agreed with you. I was just saying those guys are JWs. Their doctrine is to NOT accept the Diety of Jesus, contrary to the Gospel (and Jesus). That's not an attack on them. That's their doctrine. Go and talk to one.
Hey, we're Christians, I think. We're suppose to try to understand one another and try to work together. All you needed to say was you disagree. At times, I DO set out to offend people but this wasn't one of those times. So, I apologize.
Tony
I did get somewhat offended though admittedly I may have mistaken your comments so you apology is accepted. I even offfer my apology to you for misinterpreting.
Short and sweet of it is like I and others have stated in various ways... We LGM members need to leave this topic alone and consult GOD on that. This discussion is alienating people unnecessarily. It causes people to get judgmental, defensive , self-righteous and all the other human stuff that we get. My intial comments were in hopes of extinguishing this thread without too many folk getting caught in the cross-fire. People such as kaddw and mrwhite said it better than I did yet the pots and pans are still flying. Let's just end this and get back to more concrete teaching/learning and community.
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"Great!!!" says Tondee as he ducks to avoid another pot flying in the air... No joking, I feel MUCH better knowing that we're okay with each other. I feel 'at fault' because I twisted the subject away from the post subject of Secular Music. Thanks for accepting my apology. And I accept yours.
Tony
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sabianknight whats up with this people such as stuff? :evil: Besides I hit you up the other night.
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Sabian, you said it best this topic is beginning to alienating people. You are so right and I must say if hadn't know body else beat me I am about to be number 1. This is some serious foolishness.