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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: redone520 on February 09, 2006, 02:08:47 PM
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i am gon start something that will change the face of christian music. with Gods help i will let every musician out there kno about what music is Jesus and what is for satan. i love everybody but i might step on some toes. everything i share is all supported by scripture and human facts. if u want to know the truth i will share it. if you dont i will share it. some things might startle you ladies and gentlemen but this is god sent and God will be glorified to the fullest.
1st i will start off explaining the beginning of it all. stay tuned you dont want to miss this.
if you are interested then hit me up please!
satan has no place in Gods' music and we as musicians allow him in without knowing.
Chapter 1 Where it all started!
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Hey 'redone520'
I'm quite intrested in your explination of the beginning, espcially how your going to change the face of christian music.
PianoWiz....
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my name is willie and i want to know the truth about hip hop willie_evans20@yahoo.com
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Following the path of G. Craige Lewis I see...Share the info
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Here we go again..........ya'll keep it clean!! ;D
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Man, I have seen the video like goin on 3 times, and the video has been a blessing to me and other musicians. What he is talkin about is something will expose the devil and his evil tactics! Seriously...Even if there are those out there who don't agree, it is sooo important that ALL musicians see this video seriously. My church is showing it to our community this Saturday, but most of us have seen it atleast twice already! Good lookin to u, and I got ya back every step of the way. I believe in standing for TRUTH! In todays society, folk want to stand for the wrong reasons, well finally, I have a reason to take a stand, and like I said, I got ur back. And for those who can't get in contact wit redone...hit me up!
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care to elaborate?
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i am gon start something that will change the face of christian music. with Gods help i will let every musician out there kno about what music is Jesus and what is for satan. i love everybody but i might step on some toes. everything i share is all supported by scripture and human facts. if u want to know the truth i will share it. if you dont i will share it. some things might startle you ladies and gentlemen but this is god sent and God will be glorified to the fullest.
1st i will start off explaining the beginning of it all. stay tuned you dont want to miss this.
if you are interested then hit me up please!
satan has no place in Gods' music and we as musicians allow him in without knowing.
Chapter 1 Where it all started!
Hey Redone, i sent you a message, let me know what you know guy, i'm interested, always had my questions.
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care to elaborate?
If u want me to elaborate then send me a message, but really I'm just supportin redone! I will say that its bests if you see the video for yourself though!...I think its more of an impact that way. :-\ Plus I don't want to say the wrong thing and mess us words and stuff. :)
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Thanks for the response everyone. Well i would have mentioned the video but for the simple fact i didnt even know about the dvd until someone told me. now it cost money to buy one of these dvd's but its worth it. but if your like me and the only money u have left is to buy a drink and a moon pie for lunch at work then rite here is where u need to be. first off im real and im also a sinner. so everything i say is about me first and a little on da dvd and all about God.
Our first topic is goin to be talkin about what hip hop means and where it comes from and what its all about.
question 1 is how many of u musicians play any hip hop or r and b chords or rythms in your church music or even practice to get an edge. hit me up?
If you keep on doin what u always done u gon keep on getting what u always got. god bless!
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I don't know what's with the charades but I've seen video footage that hip-hop came from african american preachers. Listen to any african american preachers on any given sunday. He or she will typically begin in cadence and song pattern. That's rap 101 ******. You want to hip=hop listen to me. It's a celebration of black thought from gospel, to blues, jazz, r&b, soul, soca, reggae, and our most celebrated rap. We all borrow from each style respectively. All the way to the roots of africa. Hip hop has been here since the day a black man/woman learned to tell a story to an audience in rhythmic form. I'm a military professional and a professional musician alike. I hear drill sergeants rappin' the troops up and down the streets every day. Corporate America exploited and sold it now it's a mythical hip hop fantasy. Wake up and listen to your pastors rap the message of Jesus Christ upside your head and into your hearts. Peace and love.
Your brother,
Tim
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I don't know what's with the charades but I've seen video footage that hip-hop came from african american preachers. Listen to any african american preachers on any given sunday. He or she will typically begin in cadence and song pattern. That's rap 101 *****s. You want to hip=hop listen to me. It's a celebration of black thought from gospel, to blues, jazz, r&b, soul, soca, reggae, and our most celebrated rap. We all borrow from each style respectively. All the way to the roots of africa. Hip hop has been here since the day a black man/woman learned to tell a story to an audience in rhythmic form. I'm a military professional and a professional musician alike. I hear drill sergeants rappin' the troops up and down the streets every day. Corporate America exploited and sold it now it's a mythical hip hop fantasy. Wake up and listen to your pastors rap the message of Jesus Christ upside your head and into your hearts. Peace and love.
Your brother,
Tim
U are mixing 2 worlds into one. The World and God's church has NEVER and will NEVER Be one! Trust and beleive that God does not have to borrow from no one! If anything it's the enemy that borrows, or better stated, imitates God!
In Luv
solderanointed
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Look, believe what you want. I'm just stating facts. I'm not debating anything because I know what I'm talking about. Sorry but some unknowing religious zealot has told you wrong. If our culture hasn't crossed cultures then explain Kirk Franklin and Tonexs' musical style. Does that "I've been looking for you" song by Kirk not contain a sample from a 1970s r&B song? Is that what you would consider borrowing from the other world? Have you heard of Howlin' wolf or Muddy Waters? Their blues legends. Listen to them and their vocal styles and then pop in some James Cleveland. They hoop almost identically. We borrow from what we see and hear all the time. Most of the time without even knowing it.The way you walk, talk, and even dress has borrowed attributes from somewhere and somebody. Maxwell broke out into a shout styled song in 1994 right in the middle of an R&B concert. John P. Kee uses hip hop grooves all the time. Listen to "made up mind" and "made up mind remix" on the "show-up" EP and tell me that it ain't new jack. He even gives credit to Master P for using the "wooble wooble" hip hop dance beat on "what's the verdict" found on the "not guilty" EP. Ever heard of Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, or Aretha Franklin? Dear Ms. we borrow from one another all the time to stay "fresh" and to draw that impressionable audience to the message which is not the music at all but that Jesus lived and died for the sins of the world and rose with all power in his hands. Wooble wooble!
Your brother,
Tim
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We, as in humans may borrow, but GOD NEVERS borrows... ;D
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? O.k. whatever.
Keep the faith,
Tim
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I just wanted to add my 2 cents in. I've seen G. Craig Lewis in person so I have some things to day about his message. Music is a universal language that we can all identify with. Everything that African Americans sing today came from Gospel. So reguardless of what people say, Hip Hop has really borrowed from Gospel. Actually no style has borrowed from another style. Why does C#maj9 has to considered a Jazz chord. My does the scale C-E-F-Gb-G-Bb-C has to be considered a Blues Scale. Music is just music, it's all in who you glorify in the music. Yes, I play the "blues scale" yes, I'll hit some "jazz chords," yes I'll hit some "r&B" chords, and any other chord, scale, or progression but that does mean that I'm not praising God. "let everything that has breath praise the Lord" that's what I do when I play.
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I want to know more and what video are you talking about.
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? O.k. whatever.
Keep the faith,
Tim
I just wanted to add my 2 cents in. I've seen G. Craig Lewis in person so I have some things to day about his message. Music is a universal language that we can all identify with. Everything that African Americans sing today came from Gospel. So reguardless of what people say, Hip Hop has really borrowed from Gospel. Actually no style has borrowed from another style. Why does C#maj9 has to considered a Jazz chord. My does the scale C-E-F-Gb-G-Bb-C has to be considered a Blues Scale. Music is just music, it's all in who you glorify in the music. Yes, I play the "blues scale" yes, I'll hit some "jazz chords," yes I'll hit some "r&B" chords, and any other chord, scale, or progression but that does mean that I'm not praising God. "let everything that has breath praise the Lord" that's what I do when I play.
To both of you. Honestly, I am not offended by what either of you have said. I hope and pray that timroy is not offended at our disagreements. But I think that we all can agree that his facts about Bone-Thugs N Harmony, Snoop Dogg, and some others is good information to know. I am fully aware that rnb borrows from gospel and vice versa...but at the same time...the musicians who are borrowing cannot borrow every rnb chord they come accross...That's all I am saying.
His point was more about the effect that certain hip hop artists have had on this generation...when you look at it...it can be very scary that I can preach a dynamic message and 2 people come up for prayer, but a rapper has thousands of people dressing, acting, and thinking like them. You cannot tell me that music didn't have something to do with that :).
A concerned Saint :)
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I see nothing wrong with hip-hop style of music. What's wrong with listening to music that u can bounce to? Nothing in my opinion. As long as there is a good message and no profanity in it, it's all good to me.
It's the words and the lifestyle that I have a problem wit. When every other word is a curse word (yall know them 4-letter words) or derrrogatory word (b's, hoes, n***a), then I have a problem wit dat. If your only subjects are sex, drugs, guns, and money, I have a problem wit dat. If you gotta shoot somebody, dress a certain kinda way, sell drugs, be a P.I.M.P., etc. I have a problem wit dat. Basically, anything wit a negative message, I have a problem wit.
Not all hip-hop is bad so don't diss the whole hip-hop style, just use what's good and eliminate the bad stuff. Just my opinion!!!
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I just wanted to add my 2 cents in. I've seen G. Craig Lewis in person so I have some things to day about his message. Music is a universal language that we can all identify with. Everything that African Americans sing today came from Gospel. So reguardless of what people say, Hip Hop has really borrowed from Gospel. Actually no style has borrowed from another style. Why does C#maj9 has to considered a Jazz chord. My does the scale C-E-F-Gb-G-Bb-C has to be considered a Blues Scale. Music is just music, it's all in who you glorify in the music. Yes, I play the "blues scale" yes, I'll hit some "jazz chords," yes I'll hit some "r&B" chords, and any other chord, scale, or progression but that does mean that I'm not praising God. "let everything that has breath praise the Lord" that's what I do when I play.
Absolutely, that's all I'm saying. It all belongs to God. We know from the beginning why were made and who made us. The bible teaches us that it is Satans occupation to steal, kill, and destroy. As a musician, if it sounds good I'm going to paly it to glorify God. In the secular genre musicians are going to play what sounds good to glorify sex (dressed as love), money, bling bling, material posssessions, depression (blues), stealing, killing, and destruction to make it sound good. Music is just another creation of God. Our message is in direct conflict with the latter. So let us continue to lift up the name of Jesus in song and through holy communication whatever it's vehicle may be.
No doubt- I love Hip-Hop beats but more so I love Jesus and his teachings.
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I hope and pray that timroy is not offended at our disagreements.
p.s. I'm not offended at all. If disagreements establish a greater good then Glory to God. I won't quarrel and become bitter with anyone on the site and I try not to do it at all. It's just not in the spirt of Christ. I even wish that we all could agree on everything but ok I guess that's asking a bit too much but for someone to express an opinion and someone else express another in peace is healthy and even therepeutic. Honestly, I think we're making the same point. We're just expressing it differently but I think I know where you're coming from. I honor you and the fellowship.
God bless you all,
Brother Tim
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I hope and pray that timroy is not offended at our disagreements.
p.s. I'm not offended at all. If disagreements establish a greater good then Glory to God. I won't quarrel and become bitter with anyone on the site and I try not to do it at all. It's just not in the spirt of Christ. I even wish that we all could agree on everything but ok I guess that's asking a bit too much but for someone to express an opinion and someone else express another in peace is healthy and even therepeutic. Honestly, I think we're making the same point. We're just expressing it differently but I think I know where you're coming from. I honor you and the fellowship.
God bless you all,
Brother Tim
*In my cheeziest kiddy voice*
AAWWWWWWWW :D :-* (friendly kiss)
I'm the same way! I don't like anything that causes strife!
I agree that it is good to discuss our point of views in a healthy wholesome manner, even if someone is in disagreement. And I do think that in a sense we were saying the same thing. I would be lying to you if I said I have never used what might be classified as an "rnb" chord, but I can honestly say that was to glorify the God of my Salvation and to usher in His presence.
I can tell that you have a sincere heart towards Christ and He will honor you for your humbleness and desire to please Him :D
I appreciate you timroy ;)
Be Blessed ;D
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thanks for responses everyone. this is a sticky subject and i been very heavily criticized about allot of things i have now believed in. I just respect the folks thats on this site so much and i have been helped by so many of u that i don't want the music i play to b in vain.
some have stated that if u take whats good out of music and leave the bad stuff alone then you all good. how many of u know that the Devil has one power. Does ne 1 know what that iz? If you guessed music then u r correct. Satan has and only needs that one power to get to the most influential people out there. Young adults. Remember my brothas and sistas this war is spiritual war not a physical flesh and blood war. With that said u think that music not of God (that means its of Satan) would be worthy of giving to the Lord our God. I dont care if its rap,jazz,rnb,rock or whateva. If its not of God then its not for God. There are musicians very talented that can praise God musically without hittin or takin chords from worldly music. HOllA at me with ur comments!
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how many of u know that the Devil has one power.
I disagree with this. The Devil only has the power that God and we give him.
With that said u think that music not of God (that means its of Satan) would be worthy of giving to the Lord our God. I dont care if its rap,jazz,rnb,rock or whateva. If its not of God then its not for God.
I kinda disagree with this also. All music is of God, it is us humans who make it what we want. It's not the music that is bad, it's the words and/or spirits that occampanies the music. A C major 7th chord sounds the same whether you playing it in jazz, gospel, R&B, rock, etc.
So, if I hear some music or a beat I like, I'm gonna use it regardless of where it comes from cuz my mindset on how I am using that music is to glorify God and have fun while I'm doing it. Anyone who doesn't like it can take it up with God.
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i agree with t-block! certain types of music are used in certain genres but what makes a song are the lyrics. i read something interesting that i will try to find that is backed up by scripture about they way music is mentioned in the bible and the content is what matters (uplifting God). also the devil has perpetuated the lie that he is the "opposite" of God, that implies that he is His equal :o, not so! God created the devil therefore He has all power over Him. the devil uses our weaknesses and lack of knowledge...
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music was only created for worship!
if you listenin to music that dont worship God then u shudnt be listenin to it
u think u can get the holy spirit and speak in tongues thru 'christian' rap and rock?
nah man. When God cast Lucifer to Hell for eternity, He never took away his gift in music, cuz its Gods promise, when u have a gift , He will never take it away. That being said, Satan is gunna try n use talent he has in music to bring us strong soldiers in the Lord, downnn! Listen, brothers n sisters, you just pray on it, and listen to God's response to this heavy subject, pray for the wisdom and knowledge u need to face this subject.
But im certain that secular music-gone-christian (such as hiphop/rock) should not be used for worship. and if it aint worship music, then we shudn't be listenin to it..
GodBless
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Good topic. How many of you know that Hip-Hop is a religion? And KRS-1 is like their head minister. Not lying or joking either. Read about it. Its pretty deep.
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www.beliefnet.com
Read about it
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music was only created for worship!
if you listenin to music that dont worship God then u shudnt be listenin to it
u think u can get the holy spirit and speak in tongues thru 'christian' rap and rock?
nah man. When God cast Lucifer to Hell for eternity, He never took away his gift in music, cuz its Gods promise, when u have a gift , He will never take it away. That being said, Satan is gunna try n use talent he has in music to bring us strong soldiers in the Lord, downnn! Listen, brothers n sisters, you just pray on it, and listen to God's response to this heavy subject, pray for the wisdom and knowledge u need to face this subject.
But im certain that secular music-gone-christian (such as hiphop/rock) should not be used for worship. and if it aint worship music, then we shudn't be listenin to it..
GodBless
there is a ton of awesome worship music that is "rock". it's not about the style of music, it's about the message and the lifestyle. if the LYRICS glorify God, that's all that matters.
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u think u can get the holy spirit and speak in tongues thru 'christian' rap and rock?
So, you tryin to tell me that you only need to listen to a certain type of music to get the holy spirit? That's ludicrous!!! You don't get the holy spirit through music, you get it by asking Him to come into your heart and live inside you. You can feel the spirit through music, but you can't get it. Anyways, who are you to judge that rap and rock can't be used as worship music? You don't know how that music is touching somebody's heart and stirring up a change in them. Just because it don't affect you, don't mean it can't affect others.
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music was only created for worship!
if you listenin to music that dont worship God then u shudnt be listenin to it
u think u can get the holy spirit and speak in tongues thru 'christian' rap and rock?
nah man. When God cast Lucifer to Hell for eternity, He never took away his gift in music, cuz its Gods promise, when u have a gift , He will never take it away. That being said, Satan is gunna try n use talent he has in music to bring us strong soldiers in the Lord, downnn! Listen, brothers n sisters, you just pray on it, and listen to God's response to this heavy subject, pray for the wisdom and knowledge u need to face this subject.
But im certain that secular music-gone-christian (such as hiphop/rock) should not be used for worship. and if it aint worship music, then we shudn't be listenin to it..
GodBless
Let Everything that has breath praise the Lord!!!! Music is music. Its all in who you glorify in your music. Rap and Rock are just styles of music. What's wrong with Christian rock and rap? If you say that you can't get the spirit with those styles, then you are saying that you can't catch the spirit with country, bluegrass, and any other styles. Take head to your own words and pray for wisdom and knowledge.
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it aint ludacrous - daz jus wat i been taught, T.
but i understand why u may think it is ludacrous, i come from a church which has a very straight up doctrine ...old school u noe.
This and the fact that i recently watched a video on this topic.
but s'like this .. some christian hiphop artists forget wat theyre rappin about ..! sometimes they jus go off and rap bout how it was produced and how they made the track.
i havent heard it ALL .. ofcourse not, but i still do think that there is alot of hiphop/rock - socalled christian music out there that takes the glory and the focus off of God!
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You are correct when you say that some take the focus off of God.
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Hip Hop, a young persons expression on their lifestyle much like the "love in" in the late 60's and early 70's. Only problem is Hip hop has "designed" a bad conitation (rep) about the street style of the youth culture. I say this by stating they have CHOSEN to demean women by calling them female dogs, talk about how they want to demean the women's "virtue" with sexual explicit fantasies. and or put up a large exterior (frontin) about not being "punk" and wanting to kill their fellow persons (peeps).
Now its a sad state of affairs when the young people want to tear down and wipe out one another rather than try to not maintain but raise up each other. This is mainly the reason why people turn a "deaf ear" when you try to mix the words "hip hop/rap" and "christain/gospel" together. It CAN go together, I have heard some music with some pretty strong "witnessing for Christ" in them all we have to do is get over the bad reputation that the young community has "paved" for themselves.
I am a musician, music teacher, church organist and a radio programmer and find myself often times listening or playing many genres of music I say this qualification to state that we need to be more tolerant of each other in song message and everyday life. it is what God mandated (put) as part of the equasion of LOVE.
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I love hip hop.
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i have seen all of the dvds and my problem is not with his topic which I dont have time to preach but it is with his bashing of bishop jakes and eddie long
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Historically, the "radical" has always been rejected right? But never lost his power. Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, blazzay blazzay all the way to Jesus, all the way to YOU.
Yet they never lost their power. If you are checkin out this post, I see "YOU" are still overcoming. All by the Grace of the G.O.D. He created everything "And it was good".
So you can't judge the man or his music, only its use. So as long as God is magnified, "and He is" keep on blessin Him up Hip Hop Style. I don't know how many brothers and sisters and young folks I know that would have never thought about Jesus If it hadn't been for some Kirk Franklin Stompin all over the place. Lets remember my precious Saints its all about God and souls. We are in the last days so lets not hate, lets appreciate a form of music God is using to reach the lost.R.a.p. Radical.....And......Powerful.....Ya Heard Me??????
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Kirk Franklin's CD Combined Old School and New age successfully. It's really the only CD I've heard to date that does it just right. It's outrageuous but not so crazy till you forget about the message behind the music. DID you know that the GOD's Property CD was the #2 or #1 Gospel Selling CD of ALL TIME. I know I'm Off topic but I had to give Kirk his credit for that one.
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i have seen all of the dvds and my problem is not with his topic which I dont have time to preach but it is with his bashing of bishop jakes and eddie long
That's my problem with him. He is bashing preachers, when he is not suppose to be judging anyway.
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That's True. If you have a problem tell a person privately. And know what's funny. T.D Jakes or Eddie Long could care less. :D :D
You don't slander a person's name publicly.
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Hip hop didn't start out as the type of music that we hear today. It's first purpose was to educate others about urban life and was meant to be a positive outlet for inner city youth. Over the years drugs, sex, and money perverted hiphop into the sinful mutant we hear on the radio today.
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im all eyes bro id like to no more
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This subject is something else! My heart feels heavy just reading some of the replies, not because of my position of the topic, but simply because I know that somefolk are really heated about this issue. :'(
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Givin point any of you no the story about Job its in your bible Job is what you consider to be perfect and the devil had to get God permission to mess with Job to try his best to make Job sin read the book of Job an excellent book.......That story alone should let you no that God has all the power there is never a comparison with God/ Satan GOD ALMIGHTY
BE BLESSED
Alonda
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I hope I'm not being redundant but I think we all need to keep I mind that the beauty about gospel music is that it is a musical proclamation of the story of Jesus Christ and who He is. That's doctrine about gospel music it can't be anything else……music that tells the gospel, whether you use Cmaj7 chords, dimished "so-called devil's chord", or a harp, or urban beats that are also used in the hip-hop genre…..the message is what's important. Not the package….the package is used to appeal to the audience so you get their attention, but the focus is Christ no matter how its presented as long as it is biblically true…it's marvelous in God's eyes.