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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: diverse379 on March 29, 2006, 03:25:37 PM
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I have used Nornman Huthins battle field for a lot of my devotional playing
I used The 2-5 walk up in He's able on a lot of my sunday morning plahing
A lot of Hez songs lend themselves to sunday morning especially when you want to do a march or get into a drive on a song I utilize the rhythyms
for worship I use some of the moves from Perfect praise or how Excellent
There is a song called senzenina from South africa and I use this a lot lately
Mariah cary My all (but dont tell anybody)
There are a coupllle of Marvin Sapp songs I cant think of the names Where I have pulled sounds out of it.
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I've played Amerie's "1 Thing" as an offering song and the church was feeling it. I didn't play it fast like her song, but I slowed it down and gave it a nice soul groove type feel. It was dope.
I did "Ooh Child" for offering and everybody was rocking wit it and singing the words and stuff. It was off da chain!!!
I revamped "Total Praise" when the choir sings it and added in some of my tricks. It's a lot of songs I play different like "We're Blessed", "God's Got A Blessing", "Stir Up The Gift", too many to name.
You want to talk about Mariah Carey? I done played parts of "We Belong Together" as talk music and Alter Call music. I done played Bow Wow and Ciara "Like You", Usher's "Lovers and Friends", Trina and Kelly's "Here We Go Again", but I do it in such a way that u can't recongnize it unless I tell you. Even though they "secular" songs, the music is just so powerful to me.
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1 thing you are good did you play her melody lines or just the hits
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What I did was hold out (sustain) the chords to give it that smooth feeling. Every now and then I did some of the melody, but I didn't want people to really notice I was playing an R&B song, just groove with the music. Here are the chords I used:
4/4 time count in [ ]
tempo: 75bpm
[1, 2, 3, 4] Cb / Cb-Eb-Gb-Bb
[1, 2, 3, 4] Eb / C-D-F-G-Bb
[1, 2, 3, 4] Db / Db-Eb-Gb-Bb
[1, 2, 3] Bb / Cb-Eb-Gb-Bb
[an, 4] Ab / Bb-C-Eb-Ab
(repeat)
You hit the bass note once, but hold the chord down.
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I play Earth, Wind and Fire "It's the Boogie Down" in jams with 2, 3, 6 changes. I play "Ribbon in the Sky" over "When The Praises of God are Going Up". Also I like to play "Family Feud" in fast songs w/ drives.
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I do a lot of James Brown stuff and a little bit of Al Green. I remember playing some slow R&B song one time...I can't remember exactly what it was but I remember getting a few looks from some of the choir members and they fell out laughing because they knew exactly what it was. I guess I didn't cover that up too well :D I've also done the theme song from the "Jeffersons" :D I haven't tried that "Family Feud" thingy yet, but I would love to try the "Price Is Right" :D :D :D
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I've play almost everything in shouting music: Family Feud, The Brady Bunch, The Odd Couple, The Flintstones and Giant Step by John Coltrane.
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LOl Yall are too much I was thiniking more in terms of what gospel songs have you been able to take moves from and apply them in your playing
but hey yall go ahead this is intersting
I will be honest I have used the price is right over a little march thing too but dont tell anybody
I have also used A child is born and a wonderful world in my talk music
I take a lot of changes and melodic ideas from Jazz fake books
I never did a lot of listening until very lately so all these commercials and tv shows go right by me but I will put my ears up
you heard tonex do taxi right?
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I've done I ain't mad atcha by tupac, Differences by Ginuwine, God's Got a blessing by Norman Hutchins, I wish by Carl Thomas, and I changed and played some stuff that members of LGM created.
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haha...this is interesting lol
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i played mario's 'u should let me love u at a slower pace some sundays ago at my church. Guess wat? A woman met me after the service an said dis........ so u watch MTV base too.....lol
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One thing, off the top of my head, that I have ripped is the progression from Hezekiah Walker's "I'll Make It (Alright now)." I will use that progression in the vamp of "I Just Want To Praise you" (I think that's Mauretta Brown-Clark).
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YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT! AT OFFERING IT IS A LITTLE JAMES BROWN, OR EVEN B.B.KING, BRINGING THEM TO THE ALTAR AFTER OFFERING A LITTLE TUPAC/DEBARGE FOR THE OLDER CREW "SET UP THE SHOUT"!
I have used Nornman Huthins battle field for a lot of my devotional playing
I used The 2-5 walk up in He's able on a lot of my sunday morning plahing
A lot of Hez songs lend themselves to sunday morning especially when you want to do a march or get into a drive on a song I utilize the rhythyms
for worship I use some of the moves from Perfect praise or how Excellent
There is a song called senzenina from South africa and I use this a lot lately
Mariah cary My all (but dont tell anybody)
There are a coupllle of Marvin Sapp songs I cant think of the names Where I have pulled sounds out of it.
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YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT! AT OFFERING IT IS A LITTLE JAMES BROWN, OR EVEN B.B.KING, BRINGING THEM TO THE ALTAR AFTER OFFERING A LITTLE TUPAC/DEBARGE FOR THE OLDER CREW "SET UP THE SHOUT"!
I feel like I just got schooled :o
I Thank God for using you to say that
I believe you are right a little bounce aint bad
I will start to brush up on my James Brown that will be a safe place to start
Debarge???
but I will stay open
Its like God is sending me some real angels today
God bless
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YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!
No, you don't!!! You are there to play to the glory of God, not people. If they can't get with what you play, then that's on them.
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T-block easy bro dont bust a blood vessal Doc
I need you around to help me out in the future
never saw you get so excited
you are the yoda of LGM
not the rock from ww ww f
lol ;D
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LOL Y'all are a trip!! How 'bout I played a lil' bit of "Say Yes" by Floetry during church one time and my pastor came to me after service and asked me to show him how to play it. He knew what it was!! (I have a very young pastor) ;D
I was flowin' though. I like the chords in that song.
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Thats cool you have a young pastor my pastor is 83
:o
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T-block easy bro dont bust a blood vessal Doc
Aiight D, I'll calm down. I don't get emotional very often, but when it happens I just go with it. I am extremely passionate about music.
That's good, you can keep me in check now, LOL!!!
DO YOU SMMMEEEELLLLL, WHAT T-BLOCK IS COOKIN?
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lol
you know i have your back cuz i feel you have mine thats what brothers in christ do
na mean?
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Fa sho D, I got your back!!!
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YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT! AT OFFERING IT IS A LITTLE JAMES BROWN, OR EVEN B.B.KING, BRINGING THEM TO THE ALTAR AFTER OFFERING A LITTLE TUPAC/DEBARGE FOR THE OLDER CREW "SET UP THE SHOUT"!
I can't agree with this statement AT ALL.
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I dont necessarily agree but I am not sure I disagree either with the statement.
I know that I do feel it is my responsibility to minister to all the folks I can
If the younger people get into church when they hear a little tupac or nellie dropped in the middle of a tithes and offerring march or a shout
The young people are tomorrows church; although I dont play the stuff others have put on this thread
I dont know if I should be so adverse to "giving the people what they want
Isnt it the same as giving them what edifies them?
That is how I see my role to help everyone get into the worship spirit
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So you are saying that if you drop a little Tupac or Nellie you can help get younger people into "Worship"??? Are you serious?? Is it April Fools day or something.
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Lol
No I am not joking
This is what I am saying
First I dont listen to hip hop or R&B so I dont know how to play these songs
but what I am saying is that I am not going to close the door to the idea of reaching the youth by this method
when the young people thrive at a church it brings their parents and other folks who like a lively service which helps the ministry grow
Although I have never done anything more radical then play its a wonderful world or My all for worship
I have seen the happy spirit in people when I visit other churches and they do their remixes up on the organ or keys
I am just trying to be open minded about this whole thing. My ideas are not the only ones and God is Omnipresent I am sure there are many ways to bring the sheep in
I take this part of my job very seriously
A call to the lost is one of the functions of the musician also it is to prepare the hearts of the people for the message and help usher in the spirit
well if my call to the lost function can be accentuated by dropping a little nellie
then I would do it if I knew it would help draw in the souls its up to the pastor to lead them to Jesus I did my job when I bought them in the door
I could be wrong I have only been doing this for about four years maybe five
but this thread has turned to a good teaching direction so I ready to get my wig split I got the bucket ready to catch the blood when you hit me with that sledge hammer of knowledge
So come on wit it; split my wig
;D
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This is to crazy to even address. Its one thing to just take a progression from music, but its totally ridiculous to say we need to to bring tupac in to help usher in worship.
Next it will be we be we need to bring strippers in to help bring men in. This is just ridiculous.
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YOU HAVE GOT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT! AT OFFERING IT IS A LITTLE JAMES BROWN, OR EVEN B.B.KING, BRINGING THEM TO THE ALTAR AFTER OFFERING A LITTLE TUPAC/DEBARGE FOR THE OLDER CREW "SET UP THE SHOUT"!
??? ???
Are you serious? Give the people what THEY want..... IS that the kind of God you serve.....Give them what they WANT, not what they NEED.
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Its one thing to just take a progression from music
This is all I do. I take a small portion of music and put my own spin on it just to add in something new every now and then. I ain't saying we need to take the whole song and concept, just borrow a piece for flavor.
Like I said before on another topic, my main focus is on using the music to give glory to God. Other people have a different focus, they just want to draw people in the church. If that's your only goal, then you wasting your time. Unless God draws them, they ain't gonna come anyways.
I believe it's all in your mindset and motive. God is always looking at our motives, so let's make sure they are on Him and not people!!!
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This is to crazy too even address.
This is why I left it alone. I'll tell you a quick story.
I was at church yesterday; and because it was Palm Sunday, the Women's Choir sang Wilmington Chester's "Hosanna". Well, when they got to the vamp, the band mixed in Little Kim's or The Notorious B.I.G.'s beat from that song, "I know you seen me on the videos; I know you hear me on the radio".
*side bar* If you don't know the song, it came out in like '96 '97 somewhere around there. *end side bar*
At first, I really didn't know what to make of it; and to be honest, I still don't. But, I think I'm on the side of it isn't right. Not because of the chords, but because of the sentiment of the song itself.
And, that's something that we tend to forget the chord progression that we might be using can elicit thoughts and feelings associated with the secular song, and how can you bring someone to Christ with those types of thoughts on their minds?
Just my opinion.
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I've played Brain McKnight's "One Last Cry." Really nice chords for talking in this song, especially when you have the right setting on your keyboard.
I've also played Luther Vandross's "Here and Now," but I had to stop playing this song as talk chords for my pastor. The intro usually give the song away, (LOL) and people in my church would stop listening to what the pastor was saying and start singing along.
One Sunday I played Outkast "I love the Way You Move." LOL: The pastor got on the microphone and remixed the song into a gospel song, I forgot what he actually song. I felt bad afterwards :'(, but it felt good for that moment 8). I want do that again thou.
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??? ???
Are you serious? Give the people what THEY want..... IS that the kind of God you serve.....Give them what they WANT, not what they NEED.
I 2nd that. There are some R&B songs out there with a good meassage, for example Mary J. Blije's "No More Drama." The only thing is that we as ministers of music have to filter out what the people want versus what is acceptable to play in the church. Can I get a Amen !?!
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Whew i need another bucket.
Now what is interesting is that the person who said that comment to me
must have had a reason for saying it.
And I like to consider everything that is said to me before dismissing it entirely
is it possible that I am playing to many slow worship songs and not enough praise songs'
yesterday We did some hezekiah and I did a calypso on I have decided to Follow jesus
The church had so much energy more then usual
what i take from the statement wasnt so much the content of the message
but the intention of the message he may have read what songs I was playing and felt I was boring my congregation to death.
Maybe it was a message for me to be a little more lively
I am grown and A called minister of music I believe God will help me make the appropriate choices but the kick in the pants may have been enough to get me thinking about updating my sound a little more
and making more lively additions to my reportore
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I love playing slow music, and I really don't like playing fast music. It's a stuggle for me learning up tempo songs, but I do them cuz our church is named Praise Temple, so they expect us to do that, Praise.
I don't even like playing for choirs cuz they always want an upbeat song. I like the slow songs cuz I can put my heart into it and really feel what I'm playing. I guess I gotta get out of that mode and be more versatile as well.
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I love playing slow music, and I really don't like playing fast music. It's a stuggle for me learning up tempo songs, but I do them cuz our church is named Praise Temple, so they expect us to do that, Praise.
I don't even like playing for choirs cuz they always want an upbeat song. I like the slow songs cuz I can put my heart into it and really feel what I'm playing. I guess I gotta get out of that mode and be more versatile as well.
Bless you, Bro. I thought I was the only one. :D
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Yo t-block still doing that yin yang thing?
;D
I love it
though its cool how we can just be blessed even when theres mess
Na mean?
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That's right D!!!
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I wanted to say one last thing on this topic then I will shut up I promise
maybe we are getting the wrong idea I cant speak for anyone else but when I take a song and rip the changes from it I dont take the melody I just take the rhythm and the chord changes if i do take the melody it is just a tone or two to complement the chord progression
using this lets say I took a change from biggie smalls
biggie smalls took his sample from earth wind an fire
earth wind and fire had a song writer who studied at manhattan school of music and
got part of the progression that that loop sample came from from a beetoven movement or a bach movemrent
well then was it really a biggie thing?
was I bringing in biggie to the church or was I briniging in a harmonic movement that has existed for centuries
one other thing
Lucifer was created to praise God he was a chief musician he could play all chords and tones they were meant for Gods glory
he got prideful and got kicked out
he means his music to be for evil now
but he is a thief and a robber
why cant we take the sounds back and use them for Gods glory
They were meant for him to begin with
study and show thyself approved I study theory but that is still someone elses concepts
some learn by ear listiening to Gospel records but where did those chords come from
if you walk up the c scale to f by going C D E F during amazing grace or what a fellow ship
Were you doing a common walk up or were you playing lean on me changes in the church
I just want to kick back and give ny all to God without getting to caught up in mans stuff
Judge ye not another masters servent for he stands before his master to be judged
we all have a job to do let us Allow God to direct our path when we stumble pray for one another
I loved this thread though because it demonstrates how passionate we all are for Gods ministry some are more responsible then others some more serious then others
but we are all here doing the same job giving him praise.
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Ive played inspector gadget during a shout. It was siiick ive played the theme from action news (its a philly thing) ive played heaven as talking music, so sick, ive ripped chords from we must praise as a warm up for the shout. i just kinda go crazy.
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using this lets say I took a change from biggie smalls
biggie smalls took his sample from earth wind an fire
earth wind and fire had a song writer who studied at manhattan school of music and
got part of the progression that that loop sample came from from a beetoven movement or a bach movemrent
well then was it really a biggie thing?
was I bringing in biggie to the church or was I briniging in a harmonic movement that has existed for centuries
This is what I'm talking about right here, all we doing it using the music, not the words or concepts. All musicians steal/borrow from each other
so can't nobody truly say they being original cuz they got an idea from somebody. The Bible declares that there is nothing new under the sun, so why should music be any different? As long as your motive is right, as long as you playing to the glory of God, then go ahead and use whatever you want to. God knows are hearts and He should be the only one you have to worry about pleasing.
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This is all I do. I take a small portion of music and put my own spin on it just to add in something new every now and then. I ain't saying we need to take the whole song and concept, just borrow a piece for flavor.
Like I said before on another topic, my main focus is on using the music to give glory to God. Other people have a different focus, they just want to draw people in the church. If that's your only goal, then you wasting your time. Unless God draws them, they ain't gonna come anyways.
I believe it's all in your mindset and motive. God is always looking at our motives, so let's make sure they are on Him and not people!!!
I understand where you are coming from T-Block, with slow songs you can throw in your own styling with it. I usually like to jazz it up alot of times(I get crazy looks alot of times) when i'm playing slow songs.
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Alot of times people are drawn to the attention of a song because of the beat. My Mother says this, If only they would listen to the words of a song and what that song means and allow the words to minister to them. for instance,a song like "Lord I give you my Heart"(Hillsong), that song is saying that inspite of all my problems, lord I submit my all to you and I give you free reign over my life, take every part of me!
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So you are saying that if you drop a little Tupac or Nellie you can help get younger people into "Worship"??? Are you serious?? Is it April Fools day or something.
Man, I was sort of wondering when someone was going to say something that made a lil sense. We have had this discussion in several threads, so I'm not going to take it there, but I will say this. If I was listening to something secular in my car...then walked into the church and heard the same thing...I would walk right back out...why? Because I want change...that's why I go to church. I don't go to church to intermingle my sin with the holiness of Christ? I do understand that some chords are used in secular and gospel...i can live with that, but when u rip a secular song and play it in the House of God....no comment! NO wonder God said they have made His house a den of theives...no wonder.
But hey, it it floats ur boat then I "eye eye captian" LOL :D :D :D
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This is to crazy to even address. Its one thing to just take a progression from music, but its totally ridiculous to say we need to to bring tupac in to help usher in worship.
Next it will be we be we need to bring strippers in to help bring men in. This is just ridiculous.
LOL :D :D :D I'm so glad you are the administrator!
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Wow!!
I thank God for this tread because I have been trying to search my feelings about this very subject for the last two weeks. Quick story: We have a youth ensemble that sings every Sunday. The were singing Tye Tribbett's "Without You" and at the end of the song they broke it down and went into the "Laffy Taffy" grove on the keyboard while doing the "lean wit it, snap wit it" dance. My jaw dropped and shattered! But to my non surprise, the congregation jumped up and gave them house for it. I am the minister of music there and I felt like that was my fault. I usually let them do their thing on their own, so I did not now this was going to happen. I am wondering if I should take their control way now because of that.
I have been reading this tread and kinda agreeing with both sides on this subject, but I am leaning more to the don't do it side. I used to rip things from rap and R&B song too, but this experience is making me reconsider. We've all done it in one way or another. In the gospel song "Leaning on Everlasting Arms" we go into "Califonia Love" by Dre and Tupac. Its also in the vamp to "Who Is Like The Lord", which also has "Crush On You" by Biggie and Lil Kim. I wonder if Israel Haughton is getting emails about that? ;) I remember back in the day, Ricky Dillard took Xscape's "Who Can I Run Too" which can work out to be a gospel song real easy(which I got shunned for doing in a musical anyway :-[), but the thing I'm wondering about is why do we do it. Some say for flavor, some say to draw ppl unto God. When you break off into a top ten secular song, you will always get the ppl's attention, but at what cost. You may just distract someone from getting the real message of the song. In my case with the Laffy Taffy song, I just couldnt get into it. The lyrics are too vulgar for me to play the real song in my car around my children, and then I hear it in church?! That's just going to far.
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I've played Amerie's "1 Thing" as an offering song and the church was feeling it. I didn't play it fast like her song, but I slowed it down and gave it a nice soul groove type feel. It was dope.
I did "Ooh Child" for offering and everybody was rocking wit it and singing the words and stuff. It was off da chain!!!
I revamped "Total Praise" when the choir sings it and added in some of my tricks. It's a lot of songs I play different like "We're Blessed", "God's Got A Blessing", "Stir Up The Gift", too many to name.
You want to talk about Mariah Carey? I done played parts of "We Belong Together" as talk music and Alter Call music. I done played Bow Wow and Ciara "Like You", Usher's "Lovers and Friends", Trina and Kelly's "Here We Go Again", but I do it in such a way that u can't recongnize it unless I tell you. Even though they "secular" songs, the music is just so powerful to me.
i be playing snoop dogg snoop doggy dogg and busta rhymes put your hands where my eyes could see and michaell jackson beat it.
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I dont know how or why I post these things but I am led to do it I suppose
because I dont listen to secular music I probably do hot know the impact that hearing something where you know the lyrics are vulgar dropped on the end or in the middle of a song praising /God but i imagine it is like watering down the message or serving two masters
When i first posted this thread i was thinking in terms of what contemporary gospel songs you take chord changes from and drop in your hyms or worship songs lijke using a vamp from ill makle it in the drive of some other song na mean?
what I got was completely different but I initially felt that hey its cool chords are chords Right? so its cool if you rip a chord or a progression from a secular song
but what I am finding as I read the reactions of some of the people i have the utmost respect for like 4hisglory react in a strong way to the ripping of these progressions I had to take a closer look
And i suppose if you are playing the whole song so that its not just the chords or progression you are ripping but you are ripping the whole melody rhythym and chords basically you are mixing in the song and combining it much like a DJ mixes a record
This is not at all what I do and I am not sure this is what I would support from my musicians either
The context would have to be the most appropriate
because music is such a powerful tool for worship why would you want to pervert or distort the message of any of the songs we use to worship God
I still believe there is nothing wrong with using secular songs for inspiration for understanding harmony and chord structures passing chords and tecchniques
You would be hard preseed to tell me that is wrong because then you would have to not study mozart or jazz songs or blues either for that matter all of which gospel borrows from.
but if you play these songs in the middle of a worship song and the persons mind goes to some lyric which is contradictory to the message Then you are not really doing your job as a minstrel for God you are kind of being a Devils advocate invoking another message within your playing.
Whatever you do do it with care have reverence when you are playing in the house of God.
If you want to rip a chinge rip it but you dont have to play laffy taffy so that people hear vulgarity in their minds.
Gilligans island family fued taxi no lyrics no problem that is cool
a song where there is no contradiction may be cool too like unpretty by tlc (i know thats old but thats all that comes to mind.
There is a fine line here and I believe the Intention is key here
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Any of you brothas and sistas worship in So Cal around San Diego?
As an inexperienced musician, I would love to come visit your church, perhaps meet you and experience a worship service in your church!
Thanks :)
swade88
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I dont know how or why I post these things but I am led to do it I suppose
because I dont listen to secular music I probably do hot know the impact that hearing something where you know the lyrics are vulgar dropped on the end or in the middle of a song praising /God but i imagine it is like watering down the message or serving two masters
When i first posted this thread i was thinking in terms of what contemporary gospel songs you take chord changes from and drop in your hyms or worship songs lijke using a vamp from ill makle it in the drive of some other song na mean?
what I got was completely different but I initially felt that hey its cool chords are chords Right? so its cool if you rip a chord or a progression from a secular song
but what I am finding as I read the reactions of some of the people i have the utmost respect for like 4hisglory react in a strong way to the ripping of these progressions I had to take a closer look
And i suppose if you are playing the whole song so that its not just the chords or progression you are ripping but you are ripping the whole melody rhythym and chords basically you are mixing in the song and combining it much like a DJ mixes a record
This is not at all what I do and I am not sure this is what I would support from my musicians either
The context would have to be the most appropriate
because music is such a powerful tool for worship why would you want to pervert or distort the message of any of the songs we use to worship God
I still believe there is nothing wrong with using secular songs for inspiration for understanding harmony and chord structures passing chords and tecchniques
You would be hard preseed to tell me that is wrong because then you would have to not study mozart or jazz songs or blues either for that matter all of which gospel borrows from.
but if you play these songs in the middle of a worship song and the persons mind goes to some lyric which is contradictory to the message Then you are not really doing your job as a minstrel for God you are kind of being a Devils advocate invoking another message within your playing.
Whatever you do do it with care have reverence when you are playing in the house of God.
If you want to rip a chinge rip it but you dont have to play laffy taffy so that people hear vulgarity in their minds.
Gilligans island family fued taxi no lyrics no problem that is cool
a song where there is no contradiction may be cool too like unpretty by tlc (i know thats old but thats all that comes to mind.
There is a fine line here and I believe the Intention is key here
I like how u started this post out, it is very similar to a watered down message. Honestly, it may be good to the flesh, but God is not pleased....HE wants us to sing unto a glorious praise...psalms and spiritual songs...according to the Word of God. I know that as a musician it can be tempting to grap chords from anything, but the truth is that certain chords are placed in certain places for a reason...u wouldn't want to greive the Holy Spirit would you?
Just a question?
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I always ripped some changes from a rap and R:B artist.The youth choir is singing Im walking by Donnie McClurkin on the vamp part i play sean paul Gimme the light.The choir did recognize it they like it alot.The choir director said we need to step out of the box.As far as the dances some dances r not approaite to do such as doing the percolator and pumping.Alot of musicians ripped changes from a rap and R:B artist it is nothing wrong with doing that.Even though i ripped changes from a rap and r:b artist my worship is for real.
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I always ripped some changes from a rap and R:B artist.The youth choir is singing Im walking by Donnie McClurkin on the vamp part i play sean paul Gimme the light.The choir did recognize it they like it alot.The choir director said we need to step out of the box.As far as the dances some dances r not approaite to do such as doing the percolator and pumping.Alot of musicians ripped changes from a rap and R:B artist it is nothing wrong with doing that.Even though i ripped changes from a rap and r:b artist my worship is for real.
I hear you 2 tight all i can say is
Judge ye not a nother masters servant for he stands before his master to be judged
God knows your heart and you are ministering to the youth just let the lord lead you and make no apologies for what you are lead to do
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I understand both sides. Me personally though, I've never really believed in a such thing as an evil chord progression. My brothers played the music to a Metallica song about an hour before church and got in trouble. I play some Beethoven (who was far from Christian) and get, "Aww...that's beautiful."
I think what should be realized though is the church has been doing this kind of "borrowing" thing for a while now. And I mean a LONG while.
There's the image of Mithra slaying the bull. So we made one with Samson killing a lion. Mithra shot some arrows into a rock for water; it was changed to Moses getting water from the rock at Horeb.
I don't think Israel and New Breed going into California Love on Who is Like the Lord is any different. So if them doing that is somehow heretical, then I guess so were our early Christians.
But I do believe music samples and chords are where the line should be, and are usually drawn.
Oh, and I've thrown in some Sonic the Hedgehog. I'm being dead serious.
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Oh, and I've thrown in some Sonic the Hedgehog. I'm being dead serious.
;D LOL. I've done that theme music to Ninja Gaiden2 and the theme from Head of State (Chris Rock).
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My take on this, is its up to the individual musician as to what he or she plays - wether or not its secular or christian - if you are playing it to gods glory it should not matter. We as christians are always so judgemental of one another - its amazing too me, that musicians would be critical of what other musicians play - so if we listen to some of the people that have responded we should stop playing all together because most of todays musicians have a jazz sound - which is considered to be secular. I am glad that i attend a church were the pastor and the members allow me to be creative with my music as long as i am playing to the glory of god. I know as long as im playing for god and uplifting his kingdom i see nothing wrong with playing all styles of music at church.
Songs we play at church:
Slide
Get down on it
Bad
laffy taffy
Mike Jones
Ribbon in the Sky
Theme from Superfly
Love - Keyshia Cole
Jill Scott
Love & Happiness
Pretty Toes - Nelly (if you have a Phat bass player this is hot)
Basically whatever me and the Bass player is feeling @ the time!
To musicians struggling with this, seek God, ask your pastor & never let people discourage you if you dont feel like you are doing anything wrong.
Much Love
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My take on this, is its up to the individual musician as to what he or she plays - wether or not its secular or christian - if you are playing it to gods glory it should not matter. We as christians are always so judgemental of one another - its amazing too me, that musicians would be critical of what other musicians play - so if we listen to some of the people that have responded we should stop playing all together because most of todays musicians have a jazz sound - which is considered to be secular. I am glad that i attend a church were the pastor and the members allow me to be creative with my music as long as i am playing to the glory of god. I know as long as im playing for god and uplifting his kingdom i see nothing wrong with playing all styles of music at church.
Songs we play at church:
Slide
Get down on it
Bad
laffy taffy
Mike Jones
Ribbon in the Sky
Theme from Superfly
Love - Keyshia Cole
Jill Scott
Love & Happiness
Pretty Toes - Nelly (if you have a Phat bass player this is hot)
Basically whatever me and the Bass player is feeling @ the time!
To musicians struggling with this, seek God, ask your pastor & never let people discourage you if you dont feel like you are doing anything wrong.
Much Love
If a musician plays anything that gets the congregation's state of mind OUT of the presence or praise of God, then it is wrong. That's Bible, that simple!
Be Blessed! :D
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If a musician plays anything that gets the congregation's state of mind OUT of the presence or praise of God, then it is wrong. That's Bible, that simple!
Be Blessed! :D
I agree. If you're playing something and the audience (or many youth in the audience) know what it is, and it takes their mind off of worship, THAT is wrong. I've been guilty of this myself and have had to repent.
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I think that some songs are okay. Others are just too extreme to be in a worship environment, even instrumentally. It's already heavily marked with bad messages. That's like, if I played (in church) Salt's 'Push it'. Would that be right? You would probably think, "Push it real good!" In church?? I'd probably get struck by lightening.
I can deal with SOME of the secular music that crept into gospel. Like, Byron Cage, Worship the King. To me, that's SOS (Baby, we can do it, take your time, do it right) and that's EXACTLY what I'm thinking when we play it. The others, younger, don't recognize it. But I do. I'm okay with it. Now the Goerge Clinton stuff, that's still in the pentalty box. The other younger musicians love it (Flashlight). I do too - WHEN I'M HIGH AND INEBRIATED OUT OF MY SKULL!!!
All that heavily latent stuff (Tupac, Lil' Kim, Biggie, and so on...) I'm not doing it.
Da Man