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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: rjthakid on April 10, 2006, 03:03:11 PM
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Is there any theory behind doing walking basslines? It's something I'd LOVE to learn how to do, but nobody can explain it.
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Don't just view people
RESPOND!!!
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This is a shame. :'(
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Don't be discouraged. The theory behind walking basslines is difficult for me to explain. I'll to some research and get back to you as soon as I can.
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I thought I had answered this but I guress I did not
mystery man is right walking is a concept that you can get pretty deep about
but to give you the basics
the first thing you want to do is
is layout your chords in measures meaning
a measure is a amount oif time that has four beats if you are in common time
and three beats in 3/4 time
if you are dealing with common time
then each measure will have four beats
now your chord progression will fit into these measures in different ways you have to count to see how long they last
but lets look at a simple song and se if we cant create a walk ing bass line
Rule 1
for the one chord and the four chord play
root 3 5 6
for the five chord play
root b7 5 b7 5
notice each chord has four notes one note per bar
for minor chords play
Root 2 b3 3
If you use these notes and combine them with
the following ideas you may be able to get strarted
10 tips
play the root on beat one of the bar frequently the fifth can work too in the porper context and sometimes the b7
think ahead know where you are going
play primarily chord tones or diatonic tones on the strong beats
repeat notes especially the root
add occasional 8th notes
thing of the bass line as a second melody
sing a bass line then play it
you should seek to approach your chord target by either a half step or scale step
vary your lines by rocking octaves
here are some patterns for
the numbers are all in the key of whatever the one is so when you see the four chord the numbers still are referrin to the scale of the one chord na mean?
your chords good luck
1 going to four
1 b7 6 5 4
1 3 5 b5 4
1 2 b3 3 4
1 b7 5 b5 4
1 2 3 5 4
These methods will get you from the one to the four chord
what about if you want to go back to the one from the four?
4 b3 2 b2 1
4 6 b7 7 1
what about you hanging out on one for a while
1 3 5 6 b7 6 5 3 1
1 1 4 #4 5 6 b7 7 1
what about
2 5 1
II V I
2 3 4 #4 5 6 b7 7 1
2 1 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
These patterns will get you started
my suggestion is either buy a bass book and practice out of it
or pick up bl;ues keyboard intermdiate and beginner by alfred press they have lots of ideas on walking
but the bass book is your best bet it is a longer route but hey youy already have several patterns to keep you busy invest your time now in understanding how to think like a bass player
na mean?
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I thought I had answered this but I guress I did not
mystery man is right walking is a concept that you can get pretty deep about
but to give you the basics
the first thing you want to do is
is layout your chords in measures meaning
a measure is a amount oif time that has four beats if you are in common time
and three beats in 3/4 time
if you are dealing with common time
then each measure will have four beats
now your chord progression will fit into these measures in different ways you have to count to see how long they last
but lets look at a simple song and se if we cant create a walk ing bass line
Rule 1
for the one chord and the four chord play
root 3 5 6
for the five chord play
root b7 5 b7 5
notice each chord has four notes one note per bar
for minor chords play
Root 2 b3 3
If you use these notes and combine them with
the following ideas you may be able to get strarted
10 tips
play the root on beat one of the bar frequently the fifth can work too in the porper context and sometimes the b7
think ahead know where you are going
play primarily chord tones or diatonic tones on the strong beats
repeat notes especially the root
add occasional 8th notes
thing of the bass line as a second melody
sing a bass line then play it
you should seek to approach your chord target by either a half step or scale step
vary your lines by rocking octaves
here are some patterns for
the numbers are all in the key of whatever the one is so when you see the four chord the numbers still are referrin to the scale of the one chord na mean?
your chords good luck
1 going to four
1 b7 6 5 4
1 3 5 b5 4
1 2 b3 3 4
1 b7 5 b5 4
1 2 3 5 4
These methods will get you from the one to the four chord
what about if you want to go back to the one from the four?
4 b3 2 b2 1
4 6 b7 7 1
what about you hanging out on one for a while
1 3 5 6 b7 6 5 3 1
1 1 4 #4 5 6 b7 7 1
what about
2 5 1
II V I
2 3 4 #4 5 6 b7 7 1
2 1 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
These patterns will get you started
my suggestion is either buy a bass book and practice out of it
or pick up bl;ues keyboard intermdiate and beginner by alfred press they have lots of ideas on walking
but the bass book is your best bet it is a longer route but hey youy already have several patterns to keep you busy invest your time now in understanding how to think like a bass player
na mean?
Thanks alot D. I gotta come up to the Bronx to hear you play. You must be a monster. ;D ;D ;D
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Monster???
yeah Elmo maybe
I m just learning like you im just a little further down the road
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Monster???
yeah Elmo maybe
:D :D :D
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Walkikng bass lines are all about knowing w"where" you are going and how you are going to get there in the correct timing (which I can't do by the way :) ).
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1. Here's a simple definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_bass
2. Do a search on "Milt Hinton" and "Walking bass". Many credit bass musician, Hinton with making 'walking the bass' popular.
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here r the scale degrees that i learn how to walk a bass. it works for me when i'm playin by ear or by notes... 1 3 4 41/2 5 6 61/2 7
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;D
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diverse379's post was so good I had to bump this one up.
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I learned to do it by learning & combining the circle of 5ths & each mode. Well that's the theory side of things...
As for putting it into an actual song!? ::) I'm getting there...
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I know the feeling...
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wow a blast from the past
it was good seeing those ideas again
i need to revisit those concepts
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wow a blast from the past
it was good seeing those ideas again
i need to revisit those concepts
Don't see you in the Organ room too much these days.
(I don't see ANYBODY in the Organ room too much these days. lol)
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I dont know what it is about the organists on this site they dont share a lot.
the organ room seems to be a running commentary on who is the favorite organists or what town has the baddest runs
or did anybody see kim burrell in chicago
there does not seem to be a lot of teaching and when I do teach what little i know no body really chimes in to add or refute or have a dialogue
so i tend to post more in the keyboard room
some of the advanced cats probably dont have the time to post or their stuff is way to intricate to articulate.
I know key wiz does some amazing chord posts
and I am sure others do from time to time but my posts are slowing up because I am now in school and I am doing a lot of classical stuff so I dont really have much to offer now but when the inspiration hits I will definitely share.
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It's odd.
The Organ is one of the most complex instruments to play, and one of the most beautiful....Yet the Organ Room is one of the most DEAD Instrument Rooms.
There are some many different techniques to be played on the Organ it's STAGGERING....Yet the posting here is so sparse.
:'(
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While it's geared towards jazz organ, and not gospel, this is a very good site about learning to play walking bass:
http://organfreak.tripod.com/bass.html
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While it's geared towards jazz organ, and not gospel, this is a very good site about learning to play walking bass:
[url]http://organfreak.tripod.com/bass.html[/url]
Excellent, Excellent stuff. Thank you.
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It's odd.
The Organ is one of the most complex instruments to play, and one of the most beautiful....Yet the Organ Room is one of the most DEAD Instrument Rooms.
There are some many different techniques to be played on the Organ it's STAGGERING....Yet the posting here is so sparse.
:'(
I concur...
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hey cherri you dont check to see if a brother is breating?
anyway back to the subject
I will say that you will find several clips of organists doing their thing and to be honest a lot of what organists do you really hae to have both the visual and auditory because it is so very improvisational and unless you really understand how to pull off the techniques you will find it difficult to play whaty you are reading on this site there is no tempo markings no way to illustrate syncopation and speeding up of a phrase.
basically if you are good enough you can take some simple posts of songs and adapt them to organ./
trust me I know the frustration you feel but as I get better on the organ I am realizing it is not so easy to really teach it without being able to use writen music and rhythyms
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hey cherri you dont check to see if a brother is breating?
anyway back to the subject
I will say that you will find several clips of organists doing their thing and to be honest a lot of what organists do you really hae to have both the visual and auditory because it is so very improvisational and unless you really understand how to pull off the techniques you will find it difficult to play whaty you are reading on this site there is no tempo markings no way to illustrate syncopation and speeding up of a phrase.
basically if you are good enough you can take some simple posts of songs and adapt them to organ./
trust me I know the frustration you feel but as I get better on the organ I am realizing it is not so easy to really teach it without being able to use writen music and rhythyms
Just make a sister feel bad, why don't ya! Apologizes... Apologizes...
Understanding rhythm/time does make things a littler less confusing...
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there is no tempo markings no way to illustrate syncopation and speeding up of a phrase.
Very true. Chorded songs help for worship music, but playing a devotional? :D :D :D
I've even seen people try to put little explanations in the songs they post, but it JUST ISN'T THE SAME.
Hey diverse379, do you have the Eddie Howard DVD? If not GET IT. It's off the charts. :o :o :o
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Very true. Chorded songs help for worship music, but playing a devotional? :D :D :D
I've even seen people try to put little explanations in the songs they post, but it JUST ISN'T THE SAME.
Hey diverse379, do you have the Eddie Howard DVD? If not GET IT. It's off the charts. :o :o :o
Lol You know I have it I have everything Wheatworks put out trust me i am also on the waiting list for the new jermaine griegs dvd
I even bought a new notebook and the only thing that is going in it are chords and songs from the dvd's I own I am writing them in staff paper to further develop my reading and notating skiills
the eddie howard dvd is probably the best product sebastian (wheatworks) put out
but to be honest i find that there is some definite relation ship between what roger jean taught in brooklyn organ roger broke down the basics so once you get through that you can tackle eddie howard with no problem.
to be honest i believe that if you really want to be the best you can be
you should have the pj morgan and the roger jean and master everything on both of those dvds the eddie howard will round out your devotional traditional playing and you will be a beast
i just finished the roger jean right hand stuff and it is definitely tight. I have been playing around with eddie howard too but i am focusing more on roger jean
check out the clips from hear and play's new organ dvd there is some definite hotness their
by the way how long have you been playing whats your pedigree what have you studied who do you study
what is your style