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Main => Gospel Music Lounge => Topic started by: Jaywayko on April 16, 2004, 09:47:19 AM
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Why do our black churches have so many homosexual musicians and feminine ones too. I think it is a topic we all need to address and especially some of the pastors. I don't think it is good for the church. But hey that is my opinion. How many of you have often thought about how many black male church musicians out there are homosexual? Just be honest
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here we go again :( :( :(
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YOU'LL FIND THE SAME POST ON PAGE 14 IN THIS FORUM
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It's absolutely ridiculous that one would equate feminity in a man to sinfulness. Masculinity and femininity are socialized concepts. Gender is not an inborn trait, sex it. Having said that, one can't very well assign sinfulness (something determined by God) to a human idea, gender. Why don't we just get off the topic of homosexuality and discuss music here; especially if we're not offering any insight into ministering to ALL sinners and praise.
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I'm kind of new to the LGM family, so I really don't know how many times this issue has been raised. I think that if it needed to be deleted, one of the moderators would have done just that. When I teach a class, when one of my students asks a question over and over, it means they aren't convinced of the answer.
So here is my question. I wonder if the reason it keeps coming up over and over is because some out there are who TRULY are wondering if this is a sin or not.
So I would ask this question. Let's say a wonderful musician, who could sing till you thought you would just fly away, went to your church. You thought "This dude is gifted, and I mean I am so blessed by his ministry. "
Then you found out that he robbed banks. No, not USED to rob banks in the past, but was currently a bank robber. He knew you wouldn't understand, so he decided to keep it secret. And he's such a nice guy . . . much nicer than some of the other people you sing with. Surely this must mean he is saved!
Question: Would his bank robbing be okay, as long as the money wasn't yours? Would it be none of your business? Should he minister?
Put the question in any context. A wonderful organist who is hooked on pornography, but can play like no one else you have heard. And he is SO NICE TO YOU! As long as he isn't hurting you, is it any of your business whether or not what he does is wrong? Should he minister?
Or a wonderful pianist who is having an affair with another woman's husband. It just isn't your business, right? I mean, if she can play well and she is NICE, then that means she is saved, right? She she minister?
Folks, holiness is not just someone being nice to you. Just becasue someone can sing well doesn't mean they are saved. If they are not living a clean life, they shouldn't minister in music or any other way. We love them. Jesus paid the price for their sins. But true love tells the TRUTH, and the truth is that no effeminate person or abuser of themselves with mankind shall inherit the Kingdom of God. Only the Blood of Jesus can save someone . . . your liking them doesn't get them into the Kingdom! Tell them the truth. Tell them what Romans says:
"Likewise the men, forsaking the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another. Men with men, working that which is unseemly in the eyes of God, and receiving in themselves the due recompense of their reward which was meet."
Now, what could be unclear about that? I know and work with many people who are living a gay lifestyle. Some even claim to be Christians. But the Bible tells me not to be deceived, such will not inherit the Kingdom of God. I can't be a witness unto them unless I tell the truth, because that's what a witness is . . . someone who tells the truth in a situation.
"Thou shalt not lay with mankind as with womankind."
What is unclear about that?
Homosexuality is a spirit, and like all spirits it has an agenda; it has a plan. Some people, because of molestation, rejection, rebellion, etc; have an open door in their lives for that spirit to attack. We can't say "Well, maybe it's okay" because if no one in the Church stands against this spirit, who will?
And what is next? Now people are considering having one gender bathrooms, calling us narrow-minded if we are uncomfortable using the bathroom with a person of the opposite sex. THe CHurch, folks, is the only agancy with the power . . . Holy Ghost power . . . to put a stop to this. But we have to stand up for what is right.
Now that's just right folks. Love homosexuals. Tell them Jesus loves them. They wouldn't be in the Church unless they were looking for help! 8O What a disappointment when the Church won't tell them the truth. . . kinda like a doctor who won't give medicine and lets you die, or a teacher who won't give the right answer because they would rather you like them as a friend. No matter that you need the right answer to graduate and live a good life. Or a lawyer who sits back and lets you go to jail when they can help you. :roll: Oh yes, that is exactly what we are when we refuse to deal with these issues. 8O Tell them they don't have to live a secret life. :lol: They don't have to hate themselves, feeling like a freak of nature. Jesus can set them free. :lol: :lol:
Now Be Blessed. BBoy 8)
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Persons like SbinF have their own philosophy and beliefs about certain topics and this one you can only have one being in righteousness. If you claim to be a saint, you are not supposed to live in a fashion that goes against God's designed nature of your gender, ie, men aren't to walk with switches or talk with that of a soft or weak voice. Keep it real and please God!
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Persons like SbinF have their own philosophy and beliefs about certain topics and this one you can only have one being in righteousness. If you claim to be a saint, you are not supposed to live in a fashion that goes against God's designed nature of your gender, ie, men aren't to walk with switches or talk with that of a soft or weak voice. Keep it real and please God!
Reading my reply, it doesn't mention homosexuality anywhere. My philosophy is simply this, feminism and masculinism have nothing to do with righteousness. Why? Because feminism and masculinism are decided by society. On that note, feminism in a man does not necessarily equate to homosexuality. You can prove this by looking at societal trends over time. What's considered masculine today wasn't necessarily considered such 50 years, or even 5 years ago necessarily. If this is a difficult concept to understand, grab any intro sociology college text book and it will echo much the same as what I am arguing. Knowledge is a terrible thing to waste as the UNCF says, but it appears as well that it may be a terrible thing to have too....and THAT is keeping it real. So I challenge you to find the verses that say men should speak with a strong voice, wear pants, and like watching footbal. It just isn't there. If you can indeed find a passage in the scripture that deals with the issue of gender, that is, what men and women should wear, how they should talk, what mannerisms they should project as men and women, I would be more than glad to study it and go from there.
I suppose perhaps you missed my point there. And the bigger point is this, learngospelmusic.com is simply that, a place to learn gospel music. It just annoys me when the same topics such as this, having absolutely nothing to do with music, keep popping up. If there truly is such an urge to discuss the topic, maybe someone should host and moderate discussinghomosexuality.com or issuesinthechurch.com.
If I am to subscribe to some things I hear, the Bible says a lot more now than it ever has (and does) when I read it.
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Wow...I've been away to long. :) As stated before, this subject keeps coming up, but I am sure it is coming up for a reason. I am in the process of organizing the site a little better so when the same topics come up, it will be easy to find the old discussions on the same matter. Bear with me a little. :)
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........I believe that gender identification and homosexuality are determined by the biology you inherit - nobody 'chooses' to be gay or straight, black or white -God chooses that for you. A man who seems feminine isn't necessarily gay, his biology just pushes him in that direction. Besides, only God knows the heart of man, so who are we to judge. To me, making a big issue out of this is purely hate mongering. At any time when confronted by such a question you ask yourself what would Jesus do?--I don't think He would spend his time agonizing about their sexual orientation - he would see the good and bad in the person, not devise ways of marginalizing them. I think we should look at sexual orientation the same way forward thinking people look at race relations - use the love of Christ to to love and accept your fellow human being - look for the goodness instead of what's wrong. Don't let prejudice grow from your ignorance and fear.
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I don't post any response to these very often... however, I do believe that it is not anyone's place but God to judge. Even the Priests dropped their stones and walked away in shame. So before you start dragging things out of the closets of others, check your own first. Let God do his job, and convict those of their sins. Whomever does whatever in the confines of their own home is between theselves and God. I have found that "Christians" will beat a struggling person down until they give up. Where is the encouragement, the support. We tend to be walking about with swords drawn just waiting for the weak. What makes you better than someone else. My walk with God is completely different than everyone else. Does that make me less of a spiritual person, and if so, why? Are you so "close to God", that you have forgotten about your walk with God? Think twice before you start poking people with sticks...
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Bingo.
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Wow, you said it better than I ever could've, but I'm in full agreement.
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Maybe I should explain what I meant by "Bingo" in my last post, so no-one misunderstands me.
I had a suspicion (actually, an inner unction) that the reason why this issue keeps coming up is that there are a lot of people out there who really AREN'T certain if homosexuality actually IS a sin. Hollywood, the liberal agenda of politics, and much of the public school system are constantly sending the message that homosexuality and lesbianism are fine. And there are many people who are homosexuals that seem to be so NICE . . . much nicer than some people in church. They are talented, willing to help, and so gifted. They seem to truly care for people and want to make a difference. Some people actually would be tempted to think that maybe homosexuality isn't a sin; maybe they ARE born that way. The WORD, however, says otherwise. Anytime you give the WORD about a certain issue, it should settle the issue. I'm wondering, actually, what a lot of people are being taught.
Please read my post carefully. I said to LOVE those who are caught up in the darkness of such a lifestyle. I also acknowledge that some people have open doors in their lives to this weakness, through no fault of their own (rejection, molestation, lack of true teaching, etc). We love them, just as Jesus came to help those who needed help . . . and yes, WE ALL NEED JESUS' HELP. But what would Jesus do? Because Jesus was THE WORD made flesh, He would help them with the WORD.
I beleive the post was not about what whether your business was your business . . . of course it is your business. Whether you accept salvation or not is your business. Whether you go to hell or not is your own business. Whether or not Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was their own business (it did, however, affect the rest of humanity, like any sin). Are you grown, then your business is your own business. The post was about whether or not people caught up in this lifestyle should be up ministering. Not going to church . . . of course they should be in church; that's where the help is. Should they be MINISTERING? I ask again: should a bank robber be MINISTERING? How about someone who is caught up in pornography . . . should he/ she be MINISTERING? A wonderful pianist who is having an affair with a married man . . . should she be MINISTERING?
As a man called to preach and teach the BIBLE, it is my business to heold out the Word of Life to all men. To help build God's Kingdom, till the Day He comes back for me is my business. To help destroy the kingdom of darkness is my business. Telling the devil "Satan, the LOD rebuke you . . . stop speaking to people's minds and let them go in Jesus' Name" . . . that's my business. To let people know what is right is my business. And if you think it isn't your business, you are not a minister of the Gospel. Yes I said it. If your business is not to build the Kingdom of God and let God use to you to set captives free, YOU ARE NO MINISTER OF THE GOSPEL. And I don't care you can play until the roof blows off . . . the devil can play and sing too! But he can't tell the truth, because the truth wasn't in him. I'd rather play "Mary had a little lamb" and tell peole the truth!
Now I would have to remind everyone . . . in love . . . about the apostle Paul's response to the Corinthian church who refused to confront sin in their church. A young man was into incest, and they refused to do anything about it! They, to, thought that it was none of their business . . . that a young man who was sleeping with his step-mother was under grace, and who were they to judge? It was none of their business, right? Paul read them like a BOOK! He said "Your glorying (going about as if nothing is wrong) is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?"
It sounds so wonderful, so giving, when we say "Don't judge." We aren't judging. We are no one to judge, because without Jesus we'd all to the same hell. We are saying what is right ACCORDING TO THE WORD. We are also saying that THE WORD CAN SET ANYONE FREE; whether the sin is fornication, lying, gossip, homosexuality, adultery, etc. And according to the WORD, there ARE sins. I kinda suspected that there were some who weren't sure whether homosexuality was a sin or not. Some who might have thought, "Bro So and So might be gay, but he is SO GIFTED! I just feel so much better when he sings, or plays the piano. I'd rather hear him sing then here Elder So and So try to preach. And he sure treats everyone really nice . . . better than some of these other peole who are married with kids! Maybe you CAN be saved and gay."
Careful. Don't be deceived.
But being gifted isn't being saved. Being nice isn't being saved. Many nice, saved people will go to hell. The Bible says to pursue righteousness, without which NO MAN WILL SEE GOD. Being saved is accepting Jesus Christ as Your Personal Savior, repenting from and rejecting the things of sin and darkness, and living for God ACCORDING TO HIS WORD.
That's what I meant when I said "Bingo."
So let me repeat: If you have people who are in the darkness of such a lifestyle, pray for them. Love them. Keep their business private . . . but encourage them to seek Spirit-filled, Word-based counseling with the pastor. You can like them all you want . . . but if they don't repent, they'll still go to hell with everyone else who was nice and living a lifestyle contrary to the WORD. Let them talk to you, cry with you, confess their lives to you. Don't treat them like they have a huge booger up thier nose. Maybe they will see Jesus through how you treat them; with LOVE and TRUTH. I am currently praying for two men, who call themselves ministers, who are openly gay and want to live as a couple. I work with one of them, and I tell you, the more we saints who work here pray for them and love them, the more uncomfortable they get. That let's me know the Holy Ghost is moving. :wink: They can be free. :lol: And yes, church . . . IT IS OUR BUSINESS. :wink:
To the moderators of this site, I do apologize if I have caused you more work. :wink: :lol: :lol: But as you are Spirit-filled saints, I'm sure you understand that I can't apologize for holding forth The WORD, the only thing that has ever set anyone free. :)
Now Be Blessed . . . BBoy 8)
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A typo. In my last post, I said, "Many, nice, saved people will go to hell." An error in typing. I meant "Many nice, GIFTED people will go to hell." My point was that just because a person is nice and talented doesn't mean they are saved.
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Hello and a wonderful Sunday from Paris
This posting is above all a reaction to Bboy's last rantings, but everyone else is of course welcome to read on. I'm trying my best to keep calm since I've got very strong feelings about this topic, being a fully fledged homo myself and having been in a same sex relationship for more than twelve years. Years ago, I was very confused about my sexuality, partially because of people who say that the Bible condemns homosexuality. So I went out and got myself five different Bibles (two in German, two in French and one in English) and you know what? All this talk about homosexuality burns down to nearly nothing!
First of all, I challenge you to find one verse for or against lesbianism.
Don't even try it - the Bible is absolutely silent about women sleeping with each other.
Concerning male homosexuality, I found some interesting things. Why do you people still bother quoting Leviticus? Do you still sacrifice animals? Besides that I challenge you to live your life according to Leviticus: I wish you much fun eating those grasshoppers, not shaving, not wearing mixed fabrics, and not approaching the Altar when you've got pimples.
In some Bibles, Leviticus tells us to put to death men who sleep with a man as they would with a woman (well, as for me, I wouldn't be caught sleeping with a woman in the first place, so how do I know what it would be like, but well...), in some others Leviticus condemns men who sleep with... BOYS!!! So there must be a word that's difficult to translate in the beginning if everybody comes up with a different version!
Unfortunately, I read only German, French, English, and a little Latin. I'd really like to know me some ancient Hebrew and Greek to bring a little light into all the confusion. But to me it seems that all the passages in Scripture that are commonly used against homosexuals are NOT clear at all to say the least.
And may I insist: there's nothing about Lesbians.
As for Hollywood and the public school system supposedly constantly sending out messages that homosexuality is fine, I can only say THANK GOD FOR THAT ! Because only twenty or thirty years back that sure was NOT the case - and in many countries it still isn't!
And just one last question: deep in your heart, do you really think it's not completely over the top to compare homosexuals to bankrobbers? ? ?
Best regards
Jan
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I too think that we should keep the subject matter in this group to gospel music. I have my own opinion about homosexuality but I'll keep it to myself. I need to be the best musician that I can be. So I try to keep my focus on that fact.
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I have noticed a few people respond by saying "I have my own views about homosexuality". Truth be told it doesn't matter what you think but what God's Word says. Homosexuality IS a SIN.
The Bible refers to married unions between a man and a woman. It also clarifies that homosexuality is unatural and an abomination.
The bible does condem lesbians in Romans 1:26 and Homosexual men in verse 27. Then it explains the consequences in verse 28 "God gave them over to a reprobate mind".
Though Homosexuality is a huge problem amoung musicians in church so is heterosexual promiscuity. GOD requires that we live HOLY.
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Bboy you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE IT IS BIBLICALLY BASED!
It amazes me how people who are guilty of certain sins and do not acknowledge them to Jesus always try to fit the bible to their lifestyle!The Word of God cuts sharper than a 2 edge sword!
To Bw-patatf
I hate it when people lie on the word GOD! The bible does confront lesbianism in Romans 1:26. 2ndly The word homosexual is not a term just for gay men it is a term for gay men and women. It simply means a man OR WOMEN attracted to the same sex. The word lesbian was not even a word back then if you REALLY DID RESEARCH YOU WOULD KNOW THAT! So when the bible says homosexuals they are reffering to people who are attracted to the same sex. DONT TRY TO TWIST THINGS AROUND SO YOU CAN FELL BETTER ABOUT YOUR LIFESTYLE!
Since i am truly convinced that you dont read your bible(it is obvious since you think that the only homosexual refrences are in the OT) Here are some other scriptures 1 Cor 6:9....1 Tim 1:10
Those are new testament scriptures for you to"STUDY" :roll:
BBoy is not judging he is just simply stating what the bible says ! The BIBLE is judging and it is supposed to.
If you want to continue in your lifestyle thats between YOU AND GOD and frankly I would not bet my eternity on being seperate from God just for 60 or 70 years on earth and for some people not even that long. ITS NOT WORTH IT!
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........I believe that gender identification and homosexuality are determined by the biology you inherit - nobody 'chooses' to be gay or straight, black or white -God chooses that for you. A man who seems feminine isn't necessarily gay, his biology just pushes him in that direction. Besides, only God knows the heart of man, so who are we to judge. To me, making a big issue out of this is purely hate mongering. At any time when confronted by such a question you ask yourself what would Jesus do?--I don't think He would spend his time agonizing about their sexual orientation - he would see the good and bad in the person, not devise ways of marginalizing them. I think we should look at sexual orientation the same way forward thinking people look at race relations - use the love of Christ to to love and accept your fellow human being - look for the goodness instead of what's wrong. Don't let prejudice grow from your ignorance and fear.
Hello All!!
Im sorry but I TOTALLY disagree. I may be late on the issuse but I just HAVE to comment. In my view, this statement, as well as a few others, is TOTALLY off the mark.
First from reading the original post I dont think they mentioned any thing about it being right or wrong to be gay. They just asked if you notice how many musicians directors seemed to be homosexual or have feminine quailities. And if the topic keeps coming up and the people who run the site dont delete it or lock why are we so quick to dismiss it as a stupid waste of time? It doesnt seem like they are saying things in a disrespectful manner. So why do we want to kill it? Are we offened because it might apply to us?
But CIMGUS to me, your statement could not be more confussing to me. God does DOES NOT choose us to be gay. Im sorry if no one else agrees with that. MY GOD gives us ALL FREE WILL to live as we chose. We can either serve Him or not serve Him. Your parents may have a say in what race you are. God chooses you to be male of Female. After you come out you momma, the rest is up to you to determine. I do and did study things in school and I have heard all the arguements. And Im sorry but BEING GAY/LESBIAN IS A CHOICE. You choose to live your life that way. And acording to the BIBLE its an not pleasing to GOD, as well as MANY OTHER THINGS.
I think I have written enough so I will cut it short. But the point is that it is very possible to have an opinion about something and not be "judging" someone as some of you put it. Especially since we have already gotten instruction as to what is correct and what is not--FROM THE BIBLE.
Dont hate them, dont talk negative about them, Do love them but dont accept what they do as being ok. IT IS NOT
Love the man not the action.
DCW
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Hello everybody
I would like to apologize for my previous posting. It was written in anger and forced others to react violently.
I wish I could take it back.
I will come back to this room when feel more peaceful.
Best regards
Jan
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First of all, thank God for His Word. It is His Word that gives us instruction.
I do beleive that the reason this keeps popping up is, as some of us have noted before, many folk are not completely convinced that homosexuality or effeminate men are actually sinning. Like I said before, when one of my students keeps on asking a question it is because they really don't understand.
The Word of God is reaching everywhere. And have you noticed, that different people are having different reactions to it? Oh, but before Jesus comes back, everyone will have had the opportunity to choose . . . you may have heard that homosexuality is okay, that it is biologically determined, or that people can't help themselves.
Well, no one can help themselves from whatever sin they were in! That's why Jesus came . . . TO SET PEOPLE FREE! Not just from homosexuality or lesbianism, but fornication, alcoholism, pornography, over-spending (oops, did I say that). And we have to hold that forth, because some people are being taught in a lot of different ways that bondages are not sins.
Sound Bible teaching is key. To anyone who knows Scripture, they know that the Law was completed in Christ; He Is the Fulfilment of the Law. That, bwa-patat, is why we no longer sacrifice animals . . . Jesus was Our Perfect Sacrifice. The other laws, which were Laws of cleanliness, seperation, and purification, were given until CHirst came . . . this is clearly explained in the Book of Galations. I did not take your comments as being rude, and I hope you did not take any of ours as being rude . . . but rather, as postings from concerned, Spirit-filled Christians who must stand up for what is right.
Finalement, j'espere que nous pourrons parler en francais de temps en temps! J'enseigne le francais, et je suis en train de poursuivre mon doctorat en francais; malheureusement, il n'y a pas beaucoup de francophones aux Etats-Unis! :lol: Mes specialisations sont la litterature du dix-septieme siecle et la francophonie. Je ne sais pas si vous etes francais ou non, mais car vous etes a Paris je devine que vous parlez bien le francais si vous n'etes pas ne en France. J'ai visite Paris trois fois; c'est mon endroit favorit du monde!
J'etudie aussi les langues etrangeres, comme vous, et je comprends bien qu'il faut etudier les langues originales pour comprendre un text. Mais meme en les autres langues, c'est clair que l'homosexualite n'est pas permi dans le Bible. Lisez bien les vers en Romans, le premier chapitre, s'il y a de doute. Il faut aussi regarder les vers en I Corinthians, ou Paul parle d'effiminisme. Lisez-le bien, et s'il vous plait, nous pouvons continuer notre discussion. :D Car je suis chretien, je doit obeir le Bible; et c'est clair.
It's a needed topic, and we have to put the truth out there so people can know that they can be set free. Christians need to know that we welcome and love everyone, but no . . . we can't say something is alright when it isn't. Nor can we look the other way.
Now Be Blessed . . . BBoy 8)
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Its a good thing that you are fluent in many languages, but sounds to me as if you have no comprehension. In order to find the answers to your questions you must speak to the Lord our God in the Language of the Holy Spirit. I am not here to judge anyone for their understandings of the word. I just hope that before Jesus comes back that all whoare confused are provided with the true understanding.
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I would imagine that what seems to be an abundant amount of gay or feminine acting musicians/choir directors is really irrelevant. Our concern with others sexuality should not be a concern. The one thing that I love about music is that it's not your skin color, hair texture, gender, body weight, riches, poverty or matter of fact your orientation. It's about your skills. I would tell any church musician, whether gay or straight, carry yourself with christain professionalism, intergrity and class. Work on developing your craft in the spirit of excellence, and try to live a life that you can be proud of and happy with. Keep a humble teachable spirit and always remember who gave you the gift. We have to remember that the church is a microcosim of the larger world. It's people who make up the church and we are all on different parts of the journey. We also have to be careful about judging the book by the cover. Just because a person acts a certain way doesn't mean that they are actively engaged in what we believe them to be. Many gay christian struggle in their walk with Christ. Some have even chosen to live a celebate lifestyle so not to conflict with christian principles. We can all quote the bible about the sin of homosexuality, and it's easy to point fingers if you aren't gay, but rather right or wrong it still exists and is a part of the human experience. Yeah it's in the church-on the organ, the piano, the choir stand, the usher board, the deacon board, the sunday school, the pulpit(oops sorry). All we can do is pray one for the other and let God work His perfect work in all of us. Much love to Ya'll-Peace
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I am new to this site. I love it! Maybe I am wrong, and I'm not trying to offend anyone. I'd just like for us to stick to the most important issue. That is music. We are not hear to judge anyone. We are all accountable for our own actions. Whether homosexuality is right or wrong, we are unable to judge. We don't know why people act as they do. We don't know what goes through an individual's mind. We don't know what they may be dealing with personally. Not trying to be shallow, but ...Let it go! Let God!
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Wussup everybody.
I was reading all the posts here and I have to say something. I apologize in advanced for any rude sounding comments. I say this with love and concern for all.
First, to all those who think this forum, The Gospel Music Lounge, should only contain topics related to music, read what it says before u click on it. It clearly says this is a place for general discussion, not just discussion about music. If u only want to talk about music, please find another forum.
Second, I think that just because a man acts a little "feminine" doesn't make him a homosexual. Maybe he is just a little more softer and sensitive than other "manly" men. For instance, my dad has a very soft heart and he tries to help out the whole world. He cooks, cleans, and does
stuff that society says a "woman" should do. Does that make him gay? Oh
no. He is definitely a man, and truly a great man of God.
Third, who are we to say that a man should only act like this or a woman should only act like that? The only thing we can say is that a man should not be with another man and a woman should not be with another woman. That's it. There is no right or wrong way to act like a man or woman. I believe that all people are born with qualities of a man and a woman, it is only our sexual organs that determine if we are male or female. Even in the rare case when a person is born with both (u know what I'm saying right), if a person has a womb, they are definitely female cuz all females have wombs. No man can have a child.
Fourth, I strongly feel that if someone is a homosexual, they have no business having any kind of "position" in the church. They can come and be part of the service, but don't try to hold a "position" like minister, deacon, M.O.M, etc. Why? Because it sends out the message that God accepts homosexuality, which he DOESN'T. In fact, some might disagree,
I think that a only those people who are saved, sanctified, and Holy Ghost filled should be allowed to hold those positions. The people who are in these "high" positions should be the leaders for the rest of the church and if they are not Holy, then the people are going to be misled, and God will get them and the leaders. I am not saved myself, but I do play music at my church. I don't consider myself a minister of music yet because I am not saved.
Lastly, I DO NOT support homosexuality, but I think that if they have a gift for music, then they should at least be allowed to be in the background
using their musical gifts to be a blessing to someone. Music is not gay or straight, so it really shouldn't matter who is playing it, as long as they make it clear that they are not men or women of GOD, but GOD gave them a gift that they want to use to bless others. I believe GOD can make
something good out of something not so good, make perfect out of something that is imperfect. Yall feel me?
Whoever started this topic, I don't know if this is the response u wanted, but this is what I have to say about it. Again, I hope no one was offended by what I said, if u are then I'm sorry, but this is just my opinion on it. Peace out!
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I agree 100% with Bboy. I just wanna say that God didnt make any mistakes when he made you. If he made u a man or a woman its becuz thats exactly what he wants u to be and I feel 4u to act any other way is a direct slap in his face. I never bash a person or what a person does becuz if it wasnt 4 tha mercies of God, there we all go, but I certainly dont condone it. When christ comes in your life he brings about a change, and when the Holy Ghost comes in which is the mind of God, it governs u. Its not gone make do anything but it will govern u IF u let it. We always say at my church you gotta get real before u can get right.