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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: Drumma-Sheen on May 09, 2006, 10:48:18 PM
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Take note that one of his hands was hurt at the time. Enjoy!
Cornell -organ
Sharay -bass
Calvin -drums
http://download.yousendit.com/0E1B3B410C92BBAF
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Cornell is busy, sloppy, and transposes
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Cornell is busy, sloppy, and transposes
NO!!!! :o SAY IT ISNT SO!!! ;D ;D
Dude, you must know him personally or something! :D
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In the Jazz world, we would say: 'He has alot to say'
-Al
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In the Jazz world, we would say: 'He has alot to say'
-Al
Are you refering to the clip. or the previous comment made. Either way I like the term "He has a lot to say". :)
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Hmm...
What exactly qualifies him as being "the best"?
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Hmm...
What exactly qualifies him as being "the best"?
He is the best in my opinion. ;)
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He is the best in my opinion. ;)
Fair enough.
Yes, the guy was quite busy. At the same time, taste can be aquired much more easily than that level of skill. I'm almost certain that if he wasn't so busy, he'd be a lot more precise.
Nice clip.
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Fair enough.
Yes, the guy was quite busy. At the same time, taste can be aquired much more easily than that level of skill. I'm almost certain that if he wasn't so busy, he'd be a lot more precise.
Nice clip.
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I didnt know that an organist could be too busy playing a shout ?/?
Especially when there is no other board player playing with you ;)
I respect your opinion though. 8)
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Can a drummer be too busy in a shout? What about a guitar player?
If so - then why can't an organist be too busy?
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Can a drummer be too busy in a shout? What about a guitar player?
If so - then why can't an organist be too busy?
In my opinion, during the shout, the drummer and the bass player were the foundation. The organ was the lead instrument and there were no other lead instruments or vocals so the show belonged to the organists. Its just an unwritten rule in the book.
Now if he had been doing all of those runs and ideas with lets say, another board player or guitar player, it probably wouldve sounded like a mess because there is no way someone could follow all of that.
But he was by himself which allowed him the space and freedom to stretch.
So to answer your question, yes an organist can be too busy if he's running over other musicians.
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[ so the show belonged to the organists.
In my opinion, running the show is directing the course of the music - not soloing all over the music.
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In my opinion, running the show is directing the course of the music - not soloing all over the music.
8)
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I'm with Drumma-Sheen on this one. If he wasn't busy, you'd have alot of empty space. Try gettin ya shout on with big holes in the music. :D.
If there was someone playing keys then he could afford to scale it back a little, but he didn't have that luxury.
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i dont know him personally and was my comment personal, but "chicago's best" he is VERY FAR from that...dont get me wrong the guy can really play, but the statement I made is all the way true
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Cornell is busy, sloppy, and transposes
Well I'm not from chicago and I can tell a clean musician and he is just that!
And if you said he can play than why would he need tranpose?
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i dont know him personally and was my comment personal, but "chicago's best" he is VERY FAR from that...dont get me wrong the guy can really play, but the statement I made is all the way true
So you know for a fact that this man transposes. The cat is clean Man, and like it was mentioned earlier it was shout and he was hoilding it by himself. To say that he transposes is a strong allegation. Are you sure? Do you know for a fact? And if he is VERY FAR from the best then I ask that you enlighten me cause Cornell "Has a lot to say". ;) I ike that!! ;D
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I honestly don't see what transposing has to do with someone's ability to sound good. THe guy obviously knows how to play. What I'm listening to right now sounds alot better than some of the stuff I play, so that counts for something.
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transpose or not the guy is good and its only him a bass player and a drummer so why not do your thang since your carrying the load the whole band sounds good though i liked it
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very impressive!!!
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can you please repost
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I think he sounds pretty dang good! :) However, some of you guys seem to think that the organist should run the show or be the center of attention, and this concerns me. :o Don't forget that God is to be the center, and the musicians should not try to 'show out' and impress everybody. I think it can take attention away from worshipping God and people might be reacting to the music instead of God's spirit.
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I totally agree with you Chris. It's all about God, not the performance.
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Please give us all the benefit of doubt that we all know its about God. We are just appreciating the fact that he had the oportunity to stretch and he did. It was his show, meaning he had the only leading instrument there for he took the lead. ;)
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first all you need to understand what was really going on during this recording. this was an instrumental concert. cornell was doing duel hammond with wendell lowe. so he was busy because the purpose was to display gospel playing at its best. if the rest of the concert was posted all of this conversation would die. he is a master organist. and by the way for you transpose haters he is in E natural on a real hammond not this computerized stuff we use today but a real hammond
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first all you need to understand what was really going on during this recording. this was an instrumental concert. cornell was doing duel hammond with wendell lowe. so he was busy because the purpose was to display gospel playing at its best. if the rest of the concert was posted all of this conversation would die. he is a master organist. and by the way for you transpose haters he is in E natural on a real hammond not this computerized stuff we use today but a real hammond
Oh yeah thats right! I forgot all about that duel! Hmmm...should I post that next?
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I enjoyed the post. What I don't understand is that why when a musician does something exceptional or what people think are too many runs, then he is trying to get attention and show off. We constantly say well, it doesn't take all that or he's just laying a foundation. Well as a musician I've realized that I've got to praise Him how I want to praise Him or how He allows me to praise Him. If I want to do every run in the book and every mode of a jazz scale, then I am praising God how I want. What's the different between that and a person running around the church screaming praises to God. People may say it doesn't take all that, but you have no clue what God has brought that person through, personally I think it is applicable to instrumentation. A line should be drawn somewhere by why do people allow something extraordinary that a musician might throw in his music hinder their praise to God. It's not the musician's fault if people focus on his busy playing rather than their praise to God. That's the idea of corporate praise and worship everyone is focused on God and that only. I hope this makes sense. Be blessed!
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This brotha iz BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDD! I juz sat there with my eyes big and my mouth dropped. NOt only is this dude playing rough, he's playing on a note that's kind of hard to play.
(E naturelle) and for me that's a hard note to play. Especially in a SHOUT?!@?!?!?!?!?!?! GOOD GLORY ALMIGHTY TO SWEET LORD JESUS CHRIST MY SAVIOR!!!! PLUS HE CHANGES THE NOTE A STEP UP TO AN F!!!!!! I GOT NOTHIN MORE TO SAY. HEY!!!! Transpose or not he's too bad(da bomb!)for internet. GIMME THIS BROTHA's NUMBER(juz kiddin... hehe) HE's #1 on my player list.
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why cant i see the clip
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I enjoyed the post. What I don't understand is that why when a musician does something exceptional or what people think are too many runs, then he is trying to get attention and show off. We constantly say well, it doesn't take all that or he's just laying a foundation. Well as a musician I've realized that I've got to praise Him how I want to praise Him or how He allows me to praise Him. If I want to do every run in the book and every mode of a jazz scale, then I am praising God how I want. What's the different between that and a person running around the church screaming praises to God. People may say it doesn't take all that, but you have no clue what God has brought that person through, personally I think it is applicable to instrumentation. A line should be drawn somewhere by why do people allow something extraordinary that a musician might throw in his music hinder their praise to God. It's not the musician's fault if people focus on his busy playing rather than their praise to God. That's the idea of corporate praise and worship everyone is focused on God and that only. I hope this makes sense. Be blessed!
Hey man you make perfect sense to me. Even though I have never looked at it thay way before, it makes sense. I'm glad most of you like his playing. He's well known but kind of low key at the same time so thats why I posted a clip of him. I gotta few more clips of him somewhere in this house and if I find a real good one I'll post it. Thanks again Spiritfingaz for your views.
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I am really glad that you posted this clip. thedrummerschoice posted this clip a while ago, and I thought that I might not ever hear it again. I beliieve that this is a good example of how to work an organ during shouting music.
-SpiderHands
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I'm not sure I listened to the same clip that some of you heard. Did you really listen to his runs at the end? He sounds pretty clean to me. Key-Wiz what's your take?!
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can you please repost
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Great post. This guy is really clean!! He has to be "busy" because he's the only lead instrument.
He's serious business.
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Would you repost the clip? I really enjoyed his playing. I have heard a lot about Cornell and that was the first time I ever heard him play. He is real nice.
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I'm not sure I listened to the same clip that some of you heard. Did you really listen to his runs at the end? He sounds pretty clean to me. Key-Wiz what's your take?!
Well I'll Say This, Cornell Is One Of The Best Organist That I Know And By The Way He Is From Millwakee Wisconsin, Me And Him Go Back A Ways I Always Enjoy Listening To Him. He Is Very Skillfull And Very Annointed.
Let Me Say This
When God Gives Somebody A Gift Or Talent Who Are We To Judge What They Do And How They Do It, The Bible Says There Is A Time And Place For Everthing. None Of Us Were There And Most People Dont Even Play On His Level So Why Complain?????????? Ask God To Bless You And Then You Use What God Gives You For His Glory......
Also Thank God For The Gift While Cornell Is Blessing The Gift Giver.....................
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Amen to that Key-Wiz
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Uve got to be careful with your "Chicago's Best Organist statement"
Cause weve got some beasts in the city
Ed Showers
Jason Tyson
Lenard Razor
Wendell Lowe
Rodney East
Ernie Allen
Richard Gibbs
Daniel Witherspoon
Nash Schaffer
Carlos/Samuel Patterson
Steve Harris
Cliff Dubose
Adrian B King
Phillip Fester
Arian (plays for St James)
Michelle Williams (Destiny Child)Brother forgot his name
Keeps going and going ......But Cornell is definitely in the mix.
Matter of fact I believe he did a track or two with Mary J Blige.
BTW: Dude doesnt transpose cause he was on a B3 (not one of those digital thangs) I was at that concert -- it was off the chain.
Anyway... I got the tape somewhere in my tape basket.
Im a find it and upload the rest of the songs....
C4
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Still aint got anything on butch
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Still aint got anything on butch
man i wanna shake your hand you are dedicated and loyal
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Man, how can you talk so much smack about Butch but not post any new clips!! The ones on showmethat are old. Let Cornell get his props on this thread, and stop trying to talk people into believing how good Butch is and just SHOW them :D You can only talk so much
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Man, how can you talk so much smack about Butch but not post any new clips!! The ones on showmethat are old. Let Cornell get his props on this thread, and stop trying to talk people into believing how good Butch is and just SHOW them :D You can only talk so much
DUDE who are. why dont you shut upand post somthing yourself. If i know how and had all my tapes of him dont you think i would have put them on here by now. And how you going to come in with five post and try to joan dude, dude you better get wit hit
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wit hit
[/quote] Get with it
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Man, how can you talk so much smack about Butch but not post any new clips!! The ones on showmethat are old. Let Cornell get his props on this thread, and stop trying to talk people into believing how good Butch is and just SHOW them :D You can only talk so much
Yeah man I'm with jomo7 man don't disrespect Butch like that! PS. Cornell doesn't transpose, he is a beast, he is one of the best in Chicago, but not THEE best, He is orginally from Chicago, but lived in Milwaukee for a while. I personally like Adrian B King.
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How is it disrespecting Butch to ask for some audio or video instead of just talk? He's a friend of mine :D But it's like they say a picture is worth a thousand words... It's better to let the clips speak for themselves instead of going "this guy's ok but Butch is better" everytime someone makes a post about a good organist. To me that's disrespecting Cornell on his thread when we should be supporting our fellow musicians in Christ instead and recognizing their talent instead of making it a competition. That's just my opinion though.
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Thats right...this thread is about Cornell...not about Bu Bu Butch Wo Wo Woodie! If you want to talk about how good he is then go pull up his old threads and have at it. What happened to you anyway Jomo 7, Did Butch do a killer run one day and jump off the organ to give you a hug! Did he do this insane chord progression and then throw his sweaty shirt into the crowd and you caught it? Why are you the "Unofficial Sponser of Butch Woodie?" I bet he has a restraining order on you doesnt he? ;D j/k ::)
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Thats right...this thread is about Cornell...not about Bu Bu Butch Wo Wo Woodie! If you want to talk about how good he is then go pull up his old threads and have at it. What happened to you anyway Jomo 7, Did Butch do a killer run one day and jump off the organ to give you a hug! Did he do this insane chord progression and then throw his sweaty shirt into the crowd and you caught it? Why are you the "Unofficial Sponser of Butch Woodie?" I bet he has a restraining order on you doesnt he? ;D j/k ::)
thats hilarious but in jomo7 defense he is dedicated and loyal so to one degree you have to respect that. he and I go at it all the time but he is actually a cool cat. im posting a butch woodie clip i found so look for it i guess
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What happened to you anyway Jomo 7, Did Butch do a killer run one day and jump off the organ to give you a hug! Did he do this insane chord progression and then throw his sweaty shirt into the crowd and you caught it? Why are you the "Unofficial Sponser of Butch Woodie?" I bet he has a restraining order on you doesnt he? ;D j/k ::)
First off i would say something to you but this is a GODLY site so i not.; Second I talk about it becasue i speak the truth and Second that is my god brother (in law) and about to be my daugthers God dad And Butch is like the only that will actually talk to me and hang with because im a fan but i more of a lil brother and if you are anyone of you would try to come down here and try to even speak to this cat you will be doing good if he said "God bless you" If he has a restaining order on me then why did he give me is number and i didnt ask for it? And you does he most of the time come up to me before i even make my way to where the crowd of muscains are gather around him. And at the midnight musical i told this cat to come and hit up my 830 service with me and immediately say yes and said he was honored that i even adk him to come up their. So why dont you shut up talking to me for i say somthing to you to make lgm ban me from this site.
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thats hilarious but in jomo7 defense he is dedicated and loyal so to one degree you have to respect that. he and I go at it all the time but he is actually a cool cat. im posting a butch woodie clip i found so look for it i guess
thanks yo you aight youself