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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: reggiejanisian on May 23, 2006, 11:06:59 AM
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HOW MANY OF YOU ADD TUNES MAYBE FROM OLD SCHOOL MUSIC OR EVEN CARTOON MUSIC IN YOUR SHOUTING MUSIC i remember one time i adding mary had a little lamb in mine it was off the chain LET ME KNOW
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Right now I'm working on the SportsCenter Theme song. :D
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lol the sports center theme i wish i could here that one
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Sometimes i add that "a'int nobody mad but da Devil" song in it after I break. I might add The COGIC theme song(this is the church of god in christ...you can't join in...- have to be born in...) I'm workin on The Baseball chant "Charge!!!" in Ab (Ab, Eb, F, G, Ab)
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my boy does sanford & son and a few other old tvland shows in his shouts
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yeah i put just about anything in there when i play shout
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Sometimes i add that "a'int nobody mad but da Devil" song in it after I break. I might add The COGIC theme song(this is the church of god in christ...you can't join in...- have to be born in...) I'm workin on The Baseball chant "Charge!!!" in Ab (Ab, Eb, F, G, Ab)
I've done that before. I've also played the Family Feud and the Flintstones.
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I just thought of one.......
The Jetsons!!!
awwww maaan!!!!! I can't WAIT to get started on that one!!! :D :D :D
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lol the sports center theme i wish i could here that one
I wanna end a Shout with that.
U know how the SportsCenter Theme ends. Deh Duh Deh! Deh Duh Deeeeeh!
That's the PERFECT way to end the shout. I just gotta pray that my Bishop don't get up after and say: "The Miami Heat defeated the Detroit Pistons last night at the Palace of Auburn Hills by a score of 91-86......" :-\
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Super Mario Brothers. I think it's the first one. Deh-deh, deh-deh, deh-deh
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HOW ABOUT INSPECTOR GAGET LOL
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HOW ABOUT INSPECTOR GAGET LOL
YO!!! Our old Organist DID play that during a shout! Didn't go over well though. The old folks in the congregation were like ?/? ?/? ?/?
:D
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As a Christian, and child of GOD, we should separate ourselves from the world. This type of music, and jingles do NOT belong in GODs temple. Especially when saints are giving GOD the praise for what He's done. With GOD's Mercy and Grace upon you, do you think He's pleased? Is this how you honor Him?
-Al
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yeah i put just about anything in there when i play shout
I am with you Doc. There "ain't" know telling what I might play! Bishop Lamar Cole
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As a Christian, and child of GOD, we should separate ourselves from the world. This type of music, and jingles do NOT belong in GODs temple. Especially when saints are giving GOD the praise for what He's done. With GOD's Mercy and Grace upon you, do you think He's pleased? Is this how you honor Him?
-Al
most of what we hear today comes from church cats so how do we seperate.
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THATS TRUE ALOT OF STUFF I HEAR IT DOESNT MEAN I KNOW THE SONG OR WERE IT COMES FROM I JUST LIKE IT SO I DO IT....IS THERE SOMETHING REALLY WRONG WITH THAT
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i know im gonna get labeled a trouble maker on this site but i personally dont like those seperate statements bcuz most of those who make them has tv's in thier homes and i know most dont watch tbn all day long and the world watches tv they even watch tbn
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I see that I have to put my quote in this room as well; so here it is:
If what you are playing takes God's people of His presence, or interrupts their praise to Him, then it is wrong!!!
It's that simple. ;)
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Yeah it seems to me that shouting is becoming kind of a joke... People are looking it as like, a way to show off how much chops they have, or make people laugh or make other musicians go "oohhhh, he didn't just do that." Which to me, is totally against what it's supposed to be about.
Shouting is supposed to be an expression of something the holy spirit leads people to do when they are overcome with joy, and if you're sitting there thinking about what kind of cartoon you can stick in next week to me you're missing the point.
In fact, I think gospel music as a whole is getting out of control because the musicians are more concerned about impressing people than trying to bring across the message in the songs. People will post a hymn that's supposed to glorify God on the internet, not with the purpose of bringing out the melody or the intent behind the song, but more just to show off how crazy their chords are or how much chops they can blow, like it's a funk concert.
This is why I thank God for people like Jeremy Haynes that are trying to live a life through their music that represents the spirit and character of God's people whether it impresses people or not.
And as crazy as Butch is, if you see him play a service, he is actually pretty reverent and he plays the music. Then afterwards maybe when all the musicians hang he'll do some stuff that's outta control, or maybe at a musicians event. But a lot of times people are expecting him to turn cartwheels in a real service and they can't understand why he chooses to be a servant instead of a showman.
Well *I* understand...
God bless all of you and continue to show the true spirit of Jesus through your music and your life.
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YOU RIGHT MUSIQISME26
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my cousin made a statement after we listen to the new tye tribbett cd and trust he is well versed in music not just gospel i mean he plays drums with symphonys, jazz ensembles and the whole nine but he said the best thing about listening to tye's stuff was that he doesnt hold himself in a box musically he stretches out there but in all being tasteful so while there is no need to overdo it you should play and be creative or lets go back to everyone just playing 1-4-5 all thru service.
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That's talking about musical *styles*, which has nothing to do with purposely putting things in shout music that put the focus on you instead of God. You trying to tell me that when somebody's in a church service and they hear the Ghostbusters song, that it helps them receive the presence of the holy spirit? Or it makes them laugh and look at the organist? It's sad when our young brothers and sisters come out of church and instead of talking about the message they're yakking about what crazy song or lick someone stuck in a hymn or a shout. But that is where the focus is going.
Nobody said you have to only play 1-4-5, but you need to be aware of what you are causing people to focus on in church. The greatest Gospel musicians throught history were used by God not just because of what they played, but also because of what they chose NOT to play, and the same is true today. If you pray and ask yourself "is playing this going to help bring the spirit of God into this service, or is it just going to make me look cool" and you answer honestly, you will realize that there's a lot of stuff that is great for a jam session or a jazz concert that is better left out of worship services.
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Codewarrior, you're alright with me!! Preach that thing!!!
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Everything has to be done tastefully. As a drummer, one of the most difficult things I've had to deal with was overplaying. Just because you know some fancy licks, DOESN'T mean you use one every bar. Everything has to be played in the context of the music, and the environment. That being said......
I STILL plan on using the SportsCenter Theme to close out a shout.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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80% of church folk practice thier shout steps plus im not gonna argue about what you should or shouldnt play in service there is a system in place that handles conviction
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Here's the point. In the church today, you have young musicians, as well as mature musiciains. I perfer to listen /and appreciate a mature musician. He/she has the foundation of Gospel music. Young musicians, in my opinion are more concerned about ME and what I can do impress the audience. I discovered this fact listening to clips on LGM. In fact, once, I had to laugh when I witnessed an organist playing a shout/with riffs in all black keys. He never modulated to a natural key. This was amazing.
A mature organist, is concerned about pleasing GOD. He/she is humble. Most of all, he/she can play in ALL keys.
God Bless you in your Musical Ministry
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Yo, we are gettin kinda over the top. No matter how much you break it down or whatever an Ab chord is STILL an Ab Chord. Although you should reverence God while playin I dont see whats wrong with adding some other stuff in a SHOUT, not the whole service. I wouldn't dare do that during prayer or the message, but a Shout is really the only time that churches give musicians the freedom to get loose. But, if it is the case where we shouldn't take concepts from other musical styles and incorporate them into gospel, why isn't anyone saying anything about Tye using big band moves with the brass or Kirk Franklin samplin a whole song?
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Yo, we are gettin kinda over the top. No matter how much you break it down or whatever an Ab chord is STILL an Ab Chord. Although you should reverence God while playin I dont see whats wrong with adding some other stuff in a SHOUT, not the whole service. I wouldn't dare do that during prayer or the message, but a Shout is really the only time that churches give musicians the freedom to get loose. But, if it is the case where we shouldn't take concepts from other musical styles and incorporate them into gospel, why isn't anyone saying anything about Tye using big band moves with the brass or Kirk Franklin samplin a whole song?
If you'd pay attention, people are saying that about Tye, Kirk, Tonex, etc. And as I stated earlier, if what you're playing takes people out of the presence of God or hinders their praise (by taking their focus off of Him and laughing or commenting on what YOU and YOUR fleshly self are playing on your instrument) then it is not of God.
It's that simple.
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I GOTTA sImple Remedy for all of this jibber jabber goin on!
If you don't like it, we won't push you to play those little cuts and jingles. But Don't judge us and say we are wrong. What if I want to play the COGIC thyeme song to end the shout. It's not my fault. I if chose to play it, then that's what i'm a do. If the congregation looks at me or drwas away from the spirit, they'r the one who were distracted. They should've kept their minds off musicians, and on to GOD.Besides if I plan to play something a little "Out there" then I'll probably get comvicted to not even play it.
"Can we all just get along ?!?!?!?!" :-\ ?/?
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I GOTTA sImple Remedy for all of this jibber jabber goin on!
If you don't like it, we won't push you to play those little cuts and jingles. But Don't judge us and say we are wrong. What if I want to play the COGIC thyeme song to end the shout. It's not my fault. I if chose to play it, then that's what i'm a do. If the congregation looks at me or drwas away from the spirit, they'r the one who were distracted. They should've kept their minds off musicians, and on to GOD.Besides if I plan to play something a little "Out there" then I'll probably get comvicted to not even play it.
"Can we all just get along ?!?!?!?!" :-\ ?/?
Starting with this quote, "It's not my fault. I if chose to play it, then that's what i'm a do., I'm going to state that this has got to be the funniest (as in NOT humorous) response I've ever read.
And with that, I'll say this and be done.....If you like it, then I love it. Maybe, if the Lord calls me to glory, we'll get to discuss it. ;) :D
Holla atcha man!!
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Beside on what the argument is....
This topic was NOT about "If you think that adding jingles in your shout is right or wrong"...
But,It was about "IF you DID add any jingles, what were they?"
That's my point of view right Therr. (please don't take it personally, I still love y'all)
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Here's the point. In the church today, you have young musicians, as well as mature musiciains. I perfer to listen /and appreciate a mature musician. He/she has the foundation of Gospel music. Young musicians, in my opinion are more concerned about ME and what I can do impress the audience. I discovered this fact listening to clips on LGM. In fact, once, I had to laugh when I witnessed an organist playing a shout/with riffs in all black keys. He never modulated to a natural key. This was amazing.
A mature organist, is concerned about pleasing GOD. He/she is humble. Most of all, he/she can play in ALL keys.
God Bless you in your Musical Ministry
what does adding a jingle have to someones ability to play in all thier keys i know musicians who will any service as str8 as can be but cant play in all thier keys.
yall must not like gospel rap, using a mpc during service either however shout music as we know it was introduced into the black church by jazz musician the walking bassline and all so i guess we shouldnt use shout music at all
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No, you are completely missing the point. And mpc is a tool. You can use it to do anything, it can be used tastefully. A walking bassline is also just a musical tool.
A cartoon or TV show theme song, on the other had, IS distracting. It just is. If you play that kind of stuff in service the only thing it does is put attention on you (in fact if it didn't, you probably wouldn't have worried about doing it in the first place). So you can't compare a whole concept of sticking in funny songs to playing a style like walking bass. Not the same at all.
Like Big_Al said, when you approach your ministry as a musician from the place of being humble and trying to please God and help people focus on his spirit (and music IS a ministry, not just a bunch of chords and melodies... you should consider yourself grateful to even have the honor of being allowed to be used by God as a musician in his house), it's totally different from the attitude of doing stuff to get attention from people.
People are starting to look at shout music as a chance to be cute and funny and show what they know, instead of giving themselves over to God and allowing him to play through them. Shouting is becoming something people make fun of while watching somebody joke it on Comedy Central instead of something people do because they seriously are overcome by the Spirit and want to give thanks. To me that's not what this is supposed to be about
Galations 1:10
"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ."
Now if you tell me you put Sportscenter in your shout to win the approval of God... Well...
One thing you will find in the scripture is that God calls us, however mature we are, to avoid doing things that cause our brothers to stumble. In Romans 14 the scripture tells us that even if something isn't completely sin by itself, you should avoid it if it causes the weaker among you to stumble. This means that, even if you have good intent, if what you do in church is borderline and causes people to take their focus away from God, it is best left for another time. And to me, this kind of stuff fits in that category.
Search yourself and ask what is the real, honest opinion you want to do these things... To server God or to please yourself or look cool for other people? And then ask yourself, is it more likely to help people receive the spirit or distract them?
If you answer honestly I think you will know.
Again, God Bless and may we all continue to grow stronger in Christ.
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No, you are completely missing the point. And mpc is a tool. You can use it to do anything, it can be used tastefully. A walking bassline is also just a musical tool.
A cartoon or TV show theme song, on the other had, IS distracting. It just is. If you play that kind of stuff in service the only thing it does is put attention on you (in fact if it didn't, you probably wouldn't have worried about doing it in the first place). So you can't compare a whole concept of sticking in funny songs to playing a style like walking bass. Not the same at all.
a mpc is tool that is and was widely used in the r&b hiphop forum way before it ever got in church. a walking bassline that we use in church was brought into the church by secular musicians and although i wasnt there im sure someone told them at that time that they were bringing attention to themselves. so how can you tell me they are different when they are the same things that we musicians took from a secular forum and use in church.
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a mpc is tool that is and was widely used in the r&b hiphop forum way before it ever got in church. a walking bassline that we use in church was brought into the church by secular musicians and although i wasnt there im sure someone told them at that time that they were bringing attention to themselves. so how can you tell me they are different when they are the same things that we musicians took from a secular forum and use in church.
I find it very interesting that out of all that code warrior said in his post, you made a choice to only focus on the MPC. You had no comment or rebuttle for the scripture references. Hmmm...... ?/?
A few verses from Proverbs 13 come to mind.
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I find it very interesting that out of all that code warrior said in his post, you made a choice to only focus on the MPC. You had no comment or rebuttle for the scripture references. Hmmm...... ?/?
A few verses from Proverbs 13 come to mind.
i dont disagree with scripture hmmm......i disagree with personal interpation. no i didnt just focus on the mpc matter of fact it got the shortest response from and your welcome to reread it and i accept your apology in advance hmmm.....im not concerned who thinks i look cool i look cool no matter what just bcuz I know my Lord and Saviour. and the pure fact that we would not play what we wanna play would be to appease men so there you go to his scripture reference in Galatians. again i know you didnt mean it but its ok>>>>>hmmm!
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Now if you tell me you put Sportscenter in your shout to win the approval of God... Well...
Is your being judgemental and condescending getting God's approval?
?/? ?/? ?/?
And you can keep your response telling me that you weren't, because it's clear that you were.
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One thing you will find in the scripture is that God calls us, however mature we are, to avoid doing things that cause our brothers to stumble. In Romans 14 the scripture tells us that even if something isn't completely sin by itself, you should avoid it if it causes the weaker among you to stumble. This means that, even if you have good intent, if what you do in church is borderline and causes people to take their focus away from God, it is best left for another time. And to me, this kind of stuff fits in that category.
SportsCenter Theme to end a shout = Causing someone to STUMBLE?
Stumble is to falter or fall. Talk about a reach! Sportscenter theme in a shout will cause folk to fall?
Well, I decided to do some research to see exactly what you were talking about.
Here's a portion of Romans 14:
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand
Perhaps you skimmed over the portions I bolded. :-\
verse13 is probably what you were referring to:
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
I don't know HOW you got the interpretation YOU got, but the stumblingblock he was referring to was judging your brother....which, funny enough, is exactly what you were doing.
Manipulating the interpretation of Scripture is FAR worse than using a jingle in the midst of a shout.
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Romans 14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
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rjthakid your alright wit me
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Nothing skimmed. God calls us to speak the truth in love. This is different from judgement. Judging one another is pretenting to be able to say whether or not one of us is saved or will go to heaven, which scripture tells us is the job of God alone. But the scripture also says:
I Corinthians 6:2
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
And since you mention *context*, if you read 1st Corinthians 6, it talks about men holding other believers accountable. Which brings me to:
Galatians 6:1-2
Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
We are called to hold each other accountable, as well as ourselves, according to God's word. If we weren't, people could do anything they wanted as long as they told others not to "judge" them. But correcting according to the principles of scripture isn't judgement. It's our duty as brothers and sisters in Christ.
James 5:19-20
My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Now, we are all sinners, myself included. I never claimed to be perfect. I hold myself to the same standards, so there are plenty of things I won't play in a service out of respect for God's house. So I'm not being condescending; I treat myself the same way I would treat anybody else.
One more verse, Hebrews 12:28-19
Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe.
As musicians, what we play should show reverence and awe of the glory of Christ. This means that worship service is not a time for us to try to gain approval from anyone, but a time for us to communicate with God and help our brothers and sisters to do the same. So I ask the question again that nobody answered... When you're sitting in a church service and you hear a cartoon theme song tossed in, does that help you comunicate with God or does it put your mind on what the organist is doing?
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Nothing skimmed. God calls us to speak the truth in love. This is different from judgement. Judging one another is pretenting to be able to say whether or not one of us is saved or will go to heaven, which scripture tells us is the job of God alone. But the scripture also says:
As musicians, what we play should show reverence and awe of the glory of Christ. This means that worship service is not a time for us to try to gain approval from anyone, but a time for us to communicate with God and help our brothers and sisters to do the same. So I ask the question again that nobody answered... When you're sitting in a church service and you hear a cartoon theme song tossed in, does that help you comunicate with God or does it put your mind on what the organist is doing?
well your making the judgement based off a few post here that we add jingles or hits to shout music bcuz we want attention since you dont know why we do it for a fact you did indeed pass judgement. matter of fact i can also say your passing judgement on the church goers by saying you automatically know thier FOCUS on God would be broken
most new age church musicians not all probaly could care less about someone giving them approval which to one degree is unforunate.
did you know the family fued song is on the new tye tribbett cd?
we did answer the question if your focus on God is that easily broken then someone needs a 1 on 1
if what we put in a shout wasnt a jingle and we did it would you then consider us taking everyone attention off of God?
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Alright, so why do you do it then? If it's not for your own personal reasons and not for other people to hear and recognize. I ask honestly because I'm curious to know why you're so eager to put these things in.
Most new age church musicians could care less about someone giving them approval? Then why are they always talking about who is better than who, who has sicker runs than who, and posting videos of crazy chops to get props, etc. etc like it's Jazz. I don't know, seems like this generation of musicians is looking for more approval than ever.
Also I don't think being distracted by a cartoon theme song means your focus is "easily broken". Stuff like that usually makes people look over at the organ right away. And I know you've heard people after service like "did you hear what bro put in the shout?". If not you probably go to a very special church, because I've seen this kind of stuff go on at many different places. As a musician you have the power to grab people's attention if you choose.
And to answer your last question, no I don't think it's just jingles. To me anything that distracts people and grabs attention at a time when people are supposed to be worshipping is out of place. It could be Jurassic Park or it could just be a huge fill or lick that didn't belong. And like I said, I hold myself to the same standard, so I'm not saying anything I wouldn't follow myself.
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oh and by the way, have a blessed memorial day and get you some barbeque :D
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Alright, so why do you do it then? If it's not for your own personal reasons and not for other people to hear and recognize. I ask honestly because I'm curious to know why you're so eager to put these things in.
Most new age church musicians could care less about someone giving them approval? Then why are they always talking about who is better than who, who has sicker runs than who, and posting videos of crazy chops to get props, etc. etc like it's Jazz. I don't know, seems like this generation of musicians is looking for more approval than ever.
Also I don't think being distracted by a cartoon theme song means your focus is "easily broken". Stuff like that usually makes people look over at the organ right away. And I know you've heard people after service like "did you hear what bro put in the shout?". If not you probably go to a very special church, because I've seen this kind of stuff go on at many different places. As a musician you have the power to grab people's attention if you choose.
And to answer your last question, no I don't think it's just jingles. To me anything that distracts people and grabs attention at a time when people are supposed to be worshipping is out of place. It could be Jurassic Park or it could just be a huge fill or lick that didn't belong. And like I said, I hold myself to the same standard, so I'm not saying anything I wouldn't follow myself.
Great stuff, codewarrior. Your first line of this latest post sums it all up right there.
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if i were to do it, it to me is just a creativity thing. i posted a shout that i did on here and there is no jingle in it and i recorded it at my home which mean i had complete freedom as to anyway i wanted to do it. i thank God for the creative mind he gave me and if He Were to Say Mike dont play that way i would stop immediately
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I again question your interpretation.
Codewarrior, you quote:
I Corinthians 6:2
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
Judging trivial cases and judging each other (which was strictly banned in Romans 14:10) are two different things.
You quote:
Galatians 6:1-2
Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
The word here is "sin" using SportsCenter to finish a shout is "SIN"? That's a reach. At BEST it's a judgement call.
You quote:
James 5:19-20
My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
This is the King James version of James 5:19-20:
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
"Err from the truth" is in referrence to backsliding, which is evident in the next verse which states "he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death". Again, not applicable here.
Finally you quote:
Hebrews 12:28-29
Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe.
Worshipping God acceptably with reverence and awe is a personal thing. No one else can tell me if I am or if I am not. It's not something that can't be put in a box. It's individual to every believer.
We could go back and forth on this till Jesus comes. Doesn't make much sense to beat this one to death. It's a matter of personal preference that's been used and embraced by thousands of Organists. If done SUBTLY and in the flow of Shouting music, it won't distract anyone. There are some of you who disagree. That's fine. I'll just let you oooooh and aaaaaaaah when I do it
:D :D :D
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
One love.
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I again question your interpretation.
Codewarrior, you quote:
I Corinthians 6:2
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
Judging trivial cases and judging each other (which was strictly banned in Romans 14:10) are two different things.
Well then keep reading:
I Corthians 6:3-5
Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church![a] I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?
The judging that is forbidden is the judging of whether or not someone is or will be saved, which only God realy knows. However, when it comes to judging of issues we are not only allowed to do it, we are *instructed* to do so. Because if we do it truthfully and in love, it is this way that we keep each other strong in Christ.
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So again to clairfy, we are talking about whether or not the *action* of doing this stuff is appropriate for worship service, as an *issue*. That means it applies to you, me, and everybody else. Nobody is judging whether one specific persons' soul belongs to God.
And creativity isn't a reason, it's a tool. Your creativity is a gift from God, but it's how and where you use it that matters. If you are just messing around at home like you said musiqisme, then we are talking about something else. Like I said before, a jam session or something like that is another thing entirely. I was talking about actual shouting in church service.
rjthakid you already gave an example of somebody playing inspector gadget in church and it clearly distracting other people. That's exactly what I'm talking about :D