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Main => Ministry, M.O.M, Praise Teams and Choirs => Topic started by: bishopcole on September 10, 2006, 11:45:37 PM
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I have still been trying to find out what do yall think is an average salary for these two positions, M.O.M and Worship Pastor? I have been basically told that I was "OVER QUALIFIED" uhmm now go figure that! Let me hear you sound off on this touchy topic!!! Bishop Cole 8)
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What is a "Worship Pastor"? Do you mean the Pastor? ?/?
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a worship pastor would have responsibilities that may not include, or may go beyond, musical items.
...perhaps a mix of liturgical dance, drama, art, music...i feel the descriptor 'worship arts director' is a bit better for what probably goes on.
no salary will exceed it's congregation's giving ability and/or interest in the position to be funded.
dj
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I have seen the salary range from 30K to 70K, in the same church, depending on who had the position.
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What is a "Worship Pastor"? Do you mean the Pastor? ?/?
SJ, the Worship Pastor is the one who is actually over all and everything that has to do with Music Ministry and Dance and they are a ordained preacher in their call of the Gospel. I pray this helps, Bishop Cole
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I have seen the salary range from 30K to 70K, in the same church, depending on who had the position.
This was a full time staff position that covered music ministry and drama and the arts. His title was Music Minister. He was addressed by the congregation as Pastor so and so. Hope that helps.
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I have seen the salary range from 30K to 70K, in the same church, depending on who had the position.
I am in tears :'( :'( :'(....I haven't seen $5...lol...I do it for the Kingdom of God.
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SJ, the Worship Pastor is the one who is actually over all and everything that has to do with Music Ministry and Dance and they are a ordained preacher in their call of the Gospel. I pray this helps, Bishop Cole
So, are you saying that you have to have someone who is ordained in order to organize the Ministry of Fine Arts (music, dance, drama) ?
Seems to me that you should just get one person to do the job. It's how it works at my church.
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So, are you saying that you have to have someone who is ordained in order to organize the Ministry of Fine Arts (music, dance, drama) ?
Seems to me that you should just get one person to do the job. It's how it works at my church.
No Sj, this is not what I am saying. I was just answering your question as general as I knew how. Most of the Worship Pastors tahat I know nationally, are preachers that are ordained and qualified for this position. This however, does not mean that he or she has to be ordained for this position. I just have never heard or know anyone that is not. I totally agree with you that if the person is qualified for this position, hire them, regardless of ordained or not, because it does not take away from their anointing or knowledge in their craft. Bishop Cole
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No Sj, this is not what I am saying. I was just answering your question as general as I knew how. Most of the Worship Pastors tahat I know nationally, are preachers that are ordained and qualified for this position. This however, does not mean that he or she has to be ordained for this position. I just have never heard or know anyone that is not. I totally agree with you that if the person is qualified for this position, hire them, regardless of ordained or not, because it does not take away from their anointing or knowledge in their craft. Bishop Cole
Oh, ok. I'm going back into the kitchen. I think I have to re-fire up the grill. :D
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I am in tears :'( :'( :'(....I haven't seen $5...lol...I do it for the Kingdom of God.
That's what I thought as well, I didn't even know you were supposed to get paid. Think I'll call a meeting.
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Oh, ok. I'm going back into the kitchen. I think I have to re-fire up the grill. :D
You got me screaming. I bet you are a marvelous cook.
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I have still been trying to find out what do yall think is an average salary for these two positions, M.O.M and Worship Pastor? I have been basically told that I was "OVER QUALIFIED" uhmm now go figure that! Let me hear you sound off on this touchy topic!!! Bishop Cole 8)
Well in my opinion, everything depends on church size and the quality plus experience of the person. I know of a person who is ordained and the minister of music at a 5000 member church here in Alabama. He was offered $50 thousand a year.
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Well in my opinion, everything depends on church size and the quality plus experience of the person. I know of a person who is ordained and the minister of music at a 5000 member church here in Alabama. He was offered $50 thousand a year.
5000 members and all they offered was 50 thousand dollars a year? something is wrong with that picture!! ?/? ?/? ?/?
Bishop Cole
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Yes $50 thousand but i guess its because they have 7 other musicians that they have to pay as well. :-\ :'( ?/? But he has another career as well so i guess it averages out to about $100 thousand ?/?
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Yes $50 thousand but i guess its because they have 7 other musicians that they have to pay as well. :-\ :'( ?/? But he has another career as well so i guess it averages out to about $100 thousand ?/?
Well he is a good one cause if it was me with 5000 members, still, I would be FULL TIME!! Bishop Cole
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Keys 410 the kingdom is not of this world..
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Yes $50 thousand but i guess its because they have 7 other musicians that they have to pay as well. :-\ :'( ?/? But he has another career as well so i guess it averages out to about $100 thousand ?/?
Wow, so he has two full-time jobs!!! whew, thats a lot of work. I'm trying to limit my responsibilities now and I so music part-time.
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5000 members and all they offered was 50 thousand dollars a year? something is wrong with that picture!! ?/? ?/? ?/?
Bishop Cole
Yeah, it is not uncommon for a MOM to be paid a lower six figure salary at larger church. There is a lot of work that goes into that position, and they deserve every penny.
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Yeah, it is not uncommon for a MOM to be paid a lower six figure salary at larger church. There is a lot of work that goes into that position, and they deserve every penny.
The money isnt what they should "only" be doing it for. i wonder if some of them stop getting paid what would happen?
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I know a cat in FL who gets paid $60K w/ benefits and paid vacation. He does lesson at the church and gets money off that as well as help produce. It take a special person to be a true M.O.M. and I too believe they desever every penny of it. bishop cole you may be over qualified at the church you want to go to so maybe keep praying about. I went to a church once that they didn't need a musician and for that season God just had me there still being active in other gifts but observing and being poured into. At first i thought I was going to die but in the end it was best. The musician was being driven crazy became depressed and would make up ever excuse not to learn a song, play at song he didn't want them to sing on sunday morning, and it goes on so. I think God was showing me how not to be and then I was thankful because I would have had to work with him and we definitely would have clashed.
I don't get paid for the playing but it doesn' really bother me because I am still learning for one, I am doing it for the Kingdom, and God is still supplying all my needs so I have no need to trip.
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I run a community Gospel choir.
I am always busy organising performances, song choice, working out parts, admin the list goes on so much work I think if you can get paid it should be a good figure, as yes, there is a huge amount of work involved. I dont get paid but eventually I would hope to receive a salary so I can cut back on my work and devote more time to the ministry.
God Bless
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I run a community Gospel choir.
I am always busy organising performances, song choice, working out parts, admin the list goes on so much work I think if you can get paid it should be a good figure, as yes, there is a huge amount of work involved. I dont get paid but eventually I would hope to receive a salary so I can cut back on my work and devote more time to the ministry.
God Bless
I think this should be everyone's motive for getting a salary.
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I have still been trying to find out what do yall think is an average salary for these two positions, M.O.M and Worship Pastor? I have been basically told that I was "OVER QUALIFIED" uhmm now go figure that! Let me hear you sound off on this touchy topic!!! Bishop Cole 8)
The best way to find out this information is to go to websites like www.ministryjobs.com (http://www.ministryjobs.com) or www.ministrycareers.com (http://www.ministrycareers.com) etc...
Find out what size churches in what states and areas are paying. You can even see what job responsibilities they have on there for you to negotiate with your church about.
Let's not front in here, (Let GOD be true and every man a liar Romans 3:4) A LOT OF CHURCHES WANT MEGA-MINISTRY MUSIC MINISTRIES BUT DON'T WANT TO PAY MEGA MONEY FOR IT!
They think that since they are tax exempt, that means they are exempt from giving a yearly raise (at least keep up with inflation) because we're GIVING OUR GIFT TO THE LORD... right??? ;)
I'm not going to get on my soap box about that (not right now maybe later)
I hope that helped you as far as salaries are concerned...
MrSparrow
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Thats true, a lot of churches do want a MEGA-MUSIC DEPARTMENT WITHOUT MEGA-MONEY. The pay isn't everything but a good compensation for time and talent is necessary. Churches continue to "burn-out" musicians without considering their financial needs.
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The best way to find out this information is to go to websites like [url=http://www.ministryjobs.com]www.ministryjobs.com[/url] ([url]http://www.ministryjobs.com[/url]) or [url=http://www.ministrycareers.com]www.ministrycareers.com[/url] ([url]http://www.ministrycareers.com[/url]) etc...
Find out what size churches in what states and areas are paying. You can even see what job responsibilities they have on there for you to negotiate with your church about.
Let's not front in here, (Let GOD be true and every man a liar Romans 3:4) A LOT OF CHURCHES WANT MEGA-MINISTRY MUSIC MINISTRIES BUT DON'T WANT TO PAY MEGA MONEY FOR IT!
They think that since they are tax exempt, that means they are exempt from giving a yearly raise (at least keep up with inflation) because we're GIVING OUR GIFT TO THE LORD... right??? ;)
I'm not going to get on my soap box about that (not right now maybe later)
I hope that helped you as far as salaries are concerned...
MrSparrow
Very, very, true!!! Bishop Cole
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I'M 17 AND I'M ONE OF THE M.O.M. AT MY CHURCH AND I HAVEN'T BEEN PAID BUT 1 TIME A MONTH AND ITS NOT MUCH SINCE I WENT FULL TIME (EVERY SUNDAY!) SINCE THE LATTER PART OF OCTOBER! SO I THINK ITS ALL ABOUT THE KINGDOM! SOME PEOPLE ARE IN THIS THING FOR MONEY, AND THATS NOT ME! SO ITS ALL IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD!
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I'M 17 AND I'M ONE OF THE M.O.M. AT MY CHURCH AND I HAVEN'T BEEN PAID BUT 1 TIME A MONTH AND ITS NOT MUCH SINCE I WENT FULL TIME (EVERY SUNDAY!) SINCE THE LATTER PART OF OCTOBER! SO I THINK ITS ALL ABOUT THE KINGDOM! SOME PEOPLE ARE IN THIS THING FOR MONEY, AND THATS NOT ME! SO ITS ALL IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD!
Welcome to LGM. Bishop Cole
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I understand where you're coming from Annointed 1 but some people think Money is the root of all evil ( actually the WORD says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil) and if we pay the musician/MoM money then that'll be the main reason they play for us... so we won't even tempt the person and we will pay him pennies on the dollar to keep them humble and depending on God...
Yeah right...
Y'ALL JUST CHEAP!
MrSparrow
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We have 300 members.Our Pastor makes.65,000 a year :o :o
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I'M 17 AND I'M ONE OF THE M.O.M. AT MY CHURCH AND I HAVEN'T BEEN PAID BUT 1 TIME A MONTH AND ITS NOT MUCH SINCE I WENT FULL TIME (EVERY SUNDAY!) SINCE THE LATTER PART OF OCTOBER! SO I THINK ITS ALL ABOUT THE KINGDOM! SOME PEOPLE ARE IN THIS THING FOR MONEY, AND THATS NOT ME! SO ITS ALL IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD!
Note that when we say Full Time, we mean 40+ hours a week. Not 3-5 hours a week(Church and rehersal night).
I myself, I currently have a full time job. But I've expressed to my pastor that I want to do this full time. I want to wake up and go straight to my studio, learn new songs. I want to live Praise and Worship! with that said, I think we should get paid for what we do. The real test is if you'll do it without the money. If your heart is pure and you are deligent with the gift of music that God gave you, then He'll bless you with a salary. Trust me, if its in the will of God for you to have a salary, then you'll have one, and it will suite your lifestyle......Regardless the size of the church.
I dont get paid with money as of right now. God pays me with the congregation lifting their hands and get into His presence. Thats the ultimate pay check for me! Its all in your heart!
Be Blessed!
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churches in th new jersey area wants musicians to be full time meaning they expect the musician to be there every time the door opens so yes musicians should get a nice suitable salery not something that will break the bank, but something they can live and take care their families.
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churches in th new jersey area wants musicians to be full time meaning they expect the musician to be there every time the door opens so yes musicians should get a nice suitable salery not something that will break the bank, but something they can live and take care their families.
Welcome to Lgm My Brother!!! Bishop Cole
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I have still been trying to find out what do yall think is an average salary for these two positions, M.O.M and Worship Pastor? I have been basically told that I was "OVER QUALIFIED" uhmm now go figure that! Let me hear you sound off on this touchy topic!!! Bishop Cole 8)
Okay, this topic has been revived and I'm just reading it for the first time.
I laughed when I read this. OVER QUALIFIED. How in the world can you been over qualified for Kingdom business unless you are GOD!!!! Even the SHEPHERD (Pastor) of mega churches (Like TD Jakes) aren't over qualified for service. And you are a Music Leader!! Dang, sounds like someone thinks to highly of you then he ought to. I'd would have been running from that church!! LOL! :D :D
Still laughing....Man even Jesus wasn't over qualified for the Kingdom and He washed dirty, stinky feet!!!
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Okay, this topic has been revived and I'm just reading it for the first time.
I laughed when I read this. OVER QUALIFIED. How in the world can you been over qualified for Kingdom business unless you are GOD!!!! Even the SHEPHERD (Pastor) of mega churches (Like TD Jakes) aren't over qualified for service. And you are a Music Leader!! Dang, sounds like someone thinks to highly of you then he ought to. I'd would have been running from that church!! LOL! :D :D
Still laughing....Man even Jesus wasn't over qualified for the Kingdom and He washed dirty, stinky feet!!!
Sister T, I laughed when they said this to me... I laughed hard!! :D :D Bishop Cole
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Welcome to the LGM family "michael_r_07201".....Stay Blessed.
PianoWiz...
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Welcome To LGM, michael_r_07201
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First of all, in the circles with whom I work, I'm called a worship pastor because I am given the responsibility of shepherding the musicians, singers, media, and arts people in our church. I teach Bible studies and counsel people under the umbrella of the church.
As far as pay goes, I think a church of 5000 can pay $50K each year and be okay with that as long as the other pastoral leaders are being paid the same and that the other monies are going to what God called all of us to which is evangelism. I think that many of the music guys focus on the paycheck and often want material wealth over the advancement of the Kingdom. Even in the OT the Levites were given pay according to their need, not just their fleshly wants and material coveteousness.
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churches in th new jersey area wants musicians to be full time meaning they expect the musician to be there every time the door opens so yes musicians should get a nice suitable salery not something that will break the bank, but something they can live and take care their families.
It's funny you mention that. A friend called me to see if I could play keys at an R&B show because their musician got a call from his church and he had to GO! I couldn't stop laughing. He did wind up getting fired from the church because he was out making money playing secular music and missing various church engagements.
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The most recent figures that I found show a U.S. average range from $40k to $63k for a full-time minister of music.
That's what my title is and I'm definitely on the low end of that range and my job duties include a LOT of non-music related responsibilities including taking care of all computers, all phones, all IT, all fax and printer care, all audio/video systems in the facility, all sermon CD duplication including art/print design for sermon series sets, some hospital visits, and other assorted things that need to be done 'cause we're a small staff trying to take care of a large church.
For years I served in music ministry, both as a player and as a leader, and got anywhere from no compensation to a little compensation to a fair part-time comp and now what I earn today for working full-time.
IMHO a church should rightly compensate those whom invest a good portion of their lives into the ministries of said church as their budget allows and be realistic about what it expects in return for those who can't serve full-time.