Um, OK.......at this point I'm just gonna get the popcorn!! :-\ :o ::)
Slide over.... Matter-fact, I'll bring the juice
PRAIZEHIM, START UP THE GRILL, WE'VE GOT A GOOD ONE, RIGHT HERE!!!
Hey guys, how's it going? You mind scootin' over just a tad. Thanks! ;D
And before I say this I am in no way tryna get smart!
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
A little word study....
Prophesy -----to declare the truths through the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit whether by prediction or otherwise..........Thus one may prophesy without being a prophet in the strict sense of the word.
Reference - The Complete Word Study Dictionary
When you pull scripture, study it in content and context, and also, find out what words mean in the original language. This particular passage is not stating that a woman would be in the shepherding role in the church.
Let me clarify before anyone mistake my response, I am not commenting on the original poster's comments, nor will I.
A little word study....
Prophesy -----to declare the truths through the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit whether by prediction or otherwise..........Thus one may prophesy without being a prophet in the strict sense of the word.
Reference - The Complete Word Study Dictionary
When you pull scripture, study it in content and context, and also, find out what words mean in the original language. This particular passage is not stating that a woman would be in the shepherding role in the church.
Let me clarify before anyone mistake my response, I am not commenting on the original poster's comments, nor will I.
Oh I know mamaT lol, i knew wut it meant....I guess I should clarify too, I was saying there is nothing wrong with women preaching the gospel. I do however understand a woman must be submitted to someone, and that is usually there husband, who is most likely the pastor (such as urself). There are exceptions though. Well this isnt often, BUT, my dear friend Pastor Brenda Timberlake is the pastor at her church. Now many of you knew or heard of her husband, Pastor Mack Timberlake, who went home to be with the Lord a few years ago. Anyway, since she is not remarried she is still pastoring her church...I dont think thats wrong. All in all, i understood that MaMaT and prolly shoulda clarified wut i was sayin....thanks..
Psss (from what Bishop NJ is saying you shouldnt b ministerin either...I think you should pull him in...Conference Room Z! lol )
Since you're not going to comment, wanna HOT LINK?! ;D :D ;D :D
,,,and on that note....please pass the popcorn!
I GOT THE PIZZA & WINGS!!
It was only a matter of time before you start dropping......I digress.
If you knew better, you would not have used that scripture as a point of reference. And the 1 pt comment---- notice how satan successfully uses Christian people to stir up stuff even when they don't even realize it-----after I said I wasn't commenting on the topic you made boldly saying Bishop was ALSO talking about me. Hmmmmmm....... It reminds me of a book we studied "When Godly People Do Ungodly Things"...... Satan will use sanctified folks to throw out bait at other sanctified folk. Grow in grace.....
Wow! That's a lot. Well Bishop if you don't mind me assuming (and it's band to assume, trust me) you must be Apostolic (Holiness, UPC, COOLJC, etc...).
First, the reason behind all these denominations is the fact the even though the Word is infallible, there is no such thing as infallible interpretation. (Unless someone knows someone who's right about everything in the Bible). So to be fair everybody is "lying" and "everybody" is going to hell. But thank God for His GRACE.
Before I continue I grew up Apostolic so I can see where you are coming from.
Second, the whole issue about baptism in the name of F/S/HG and Jesus name...that is due to some interpreting Jesus's Great Commision literally and some interpreting Peter's Pentecost Sermon literally. I am all for being baptized in Jesus name. But, I also believe if one knows what being baptized in the name of F/S/HG implies that there is nothing wrong with that.
Now the whole issue of women preaching...whatever may be the meaning of praying and prophesying in respect to the man, they have precisely the same meaning in respect to the woman. The word "preach" literally means to prophesy in the sense of edification, exhortation, and comfort. And this kind of prophesying or teaching was predicted by Joel 2:28, and referred to by Peter (Acts 2:17). And, had there not been such gifts bestowed on woman, the prophecy could not have had its fulfilment.
Now the teaching of the Trinity...and before I continue, no the term "Trinity" isn't in the Bible like the tere "Rapture" isn't but it is implied. In no way does the idea of the Trinity take away from the Oneness of God. God is 3 in 1. I know it sounds crazy...it's like hearing 1+1+1=1...but that is part of the mystery of God. We can not hope to fully understand God's nature (unless you know someone who knows God inside and out like that!).
Now doc, you was preachin on the fact of a sanctified life. AMEN! The Bible says to present our bodies as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God...which is true worship (NIV). Yes, santification is a process but you shall know a tree by it's fruit...yeah doc you preachin on that one. :)
Mark 16:17 says "And these signs shall follow them that believe In my name shall they cast out devils they shall speak with new tongues..." Can we say that everyone you know who TRULY speaks in tongues are saved, even if they live a sinful lifestyle? So how can we say those who live a redeemed lifestyle and haven't spoken in tongues aren't saved? And if tonques can be evidence what about casting out devils? The verse says those who believe in my name shall cast out devils. So what about those who cast out devils but don't speak in tonges? I've seen it myself and i'm many others have also. Jesus said it himself a house divided cannot stand. Jesus said "Satan cannot cast out Satan". What about those who speak in tongues and don't cast out devils? They are both signs.
When is hair considered long? Can hair truly keep us out the Kingdom? How do we know Jesus or any of the Apostles didn't have long hair?
These are just some things to think about. By the way, I am a minister in a starch Apostolic church. My pastor and bishops see no errancy in what I just said.
I hope this is taken in love, because I love everyone here. How? It's called AGAPE love. ;) But you are right...someone's lying and somebody's going to hell--i just don't thing we have the say so as to who is going, that's left up to the Judge. ;D
Aaahhh, there are the wings.....are they hot wings?
I got the TRI-TIP marinading right now, with the BBQ chicken wings on the grill, and the Ceasar Salad, and the some more hot links, with some corn on the cobb, and I'm waitng for a response for the only one who isn't going to hell. Please respond Mr. Anderson :-\ ?/?
Yeah, knew my thoughts would end me up in the LGM hot seat. I don't care though. I never expected anyone to agree with my position. The mere point of this thread wasn't to attack anyone, but to offer a reality that theres only ONE truth.
Everybody's saying something different and SOMEBODY'S going to pay for it. Whether through tradition, teachings or personal revalation, God's word doesn't change and has not changed. Just like women... Women are used throughout the bible and were used mightly under the power of God. Do I oppose this? No because its in scripture and enough for me to accept it, yet, I realize that these women ALSO understood their roll and positions as it relates to leadership and authority.
Again, I did not or will not attack anyone personally in this thread because thats NOT what it was written for. There is a line between what is true and false concerning God's word and with all these "ideaologies" and "revelations" the penalty will be hell for those that don't seek true understanding. I'm not going on just certain teachings, but what it CLEARLY says in God's word and if THAT offends you, then no, I don't apologize.
Matthew 7:22
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
Do you understand the DEPTH of that scripture?? ...the tremendous weight that it holds on those that believe they're doing the will of God? And we're not talking Green Prosperity Cloth and Miracle Spring Water people either. These are folk that stood firm in their belief that what they were doing was right, but they were "living a lie". Playing in church, preaching messages, singing songs and all the while "living a lie" and now have come to the reality that they were on the WRONG side of the line, but now its too late.
Now, don't get it twisted. This is NOT for the unsaved folk that don't know Christ, cause they live a life unknowingly. We DO accept them with the love of Christ and present to them salvation and deliverance through God's word. This is NOT A HATE THREAD, but a reality check and sadly as it has been misconstued by most of its readers, I can't help but say it too many times. THERES NOT 1300 truths people... only ONE! This is a reality for even me!
Lastly, I'm really tempted to write a book on, "The De-Westernization of the Church". Why? 'Cause most of the western ideologies and philosophies are in direct opposition to biblical teachings and we're fine with it. Thats why there are so many people upset with me right now and I can understand. If I tell a church musician thats a homosexual, hes going to hell, my head will be on a pole. Does that change it from being the truth? No. Yet, westernize thinking makes God a whimp and have everyone saying, "Not so". Basically, I'm not trying (as many here now believe), to place myself above anyone cause the bible says, "We ALL fall short of the Glory", but my point today is everybody's not right and somebody's going to hell for it.
2 Peter 3:18
"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen."
Okay, I'm good now....Got my plate with hot wings and salad...somebody pass MommaT the Ranch Dressing...I'm waiting for the wings to come off the grill....chewing on a hot link while I recline in this lazy boy.
It is Friday.....I knew It'd get crazy up in here! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
Greetings in the precious name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
As a member of LGM, I'm aware of the religious diversity that is encompassed throughout this site, but I must as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ express something of importance. This stems from that "tongue" thread. Time to stop the foolishness.(((((((((((((((WARNING)))))))))))))))
This will probably offend MANY and for it I do
not apologize, even if it cost me this thread.
If theres one thing that I know, it is that God is absolute. He being absolute, makes his word (the truth) absolute. We as man, being the fallable humans we are, will misinterpret these truths and even go as far as to change them to suite us. Yet, that which God has established remains true, just and INFALLABLE. Yeah, God is love and he loves his creation with a everlasting love, but hes also sovereign and eventually passes judgement to those who fail to adhere to his truths.
With that being said, I will say this, "Someone's living a lie and somebody's going to hell". What do I mean? Everybody here believes in Christ and everyone here considers themselves "Christians", but we foolishly have over 1300 denominations in the world of Christiandom because everybody wanna believe they have "the truth". People, listen, theres only one truth! The WORD!
Yes, the bible contains areas of symbolism and then there are passages that can just be taken for face value (literal). Understanding the Hermenutics of the bible may be tricky to some, but through prayer and reading in the Holy Ghost grants one true spiritual insight. Simply, there are things that we've been taught without doing any personal research, and things that we accept cause it "sounds" good, but isn't alway lined up with God's word.
Why am I saying all this? Cause we've somehow begun to live in a delusional world of believing that everybody gonna make it and that just ain't true. The bible clearly tell me what its going to take to make the rapture. Paul, one of the greatest of the apostles says in Ephesians, "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism so that means SOMEONE'S living a lie. Some say baptism's "In Jesus name" and others "Father, Son, Holy Ghost and both can't be right. I've seen no baptisms in the "Father, son, Holy Ghost" method ANYWHERE else in scripture... somebody's going to hell.
Some say that women can't preach and then you have women that say they're called.... someone's living a lie. I personally don't see any women elders, apostles, bishops or any thing else in the NT and scripture even addresses those women who assume church authority (Rev. 2:20-23), but then I'm called a "hater" because of what the word CLEARLY states.... somebody's going to hell.
Some say that theres three in heaven, and other say that theres only ONE Lord... someone's living a lie. My bible tells me, "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" in Mark 12 and that the Father, Word and Holy Ghost are ONE in I John 5:7... somebody's going to hell.
There are those that believe you must live a holy and sanctified life before the Lord, then there are those that think you can live some filthy, degraded life and God understands your heart... someone's living a lie. The Spirit tells me that "the soul that sinneth SHALL die" and my word backs that up... somebody's going to hell.
"You don't need to speak in tongues to have the Holy Ghost" says some, and other believers say that its the initial evidence of it.... someone's living a lie. Jesus told Nicodemus, "You MUST be born of the water and the SPIRIT". How clearer can he be?? On the Day of Pentecost when the first church was established, he scripture says,
Acts 2:4
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Why is that so hard to comprehend?? Yet there are those that sees it as meaningless to salvation... somebody's going to hell.
Scripture talks against men with LONG hair, but brothers will dread it up or curl in down with no conviction. Paul addresses the plating of hair and modest apparel of believers, yet we'll spend $1200 for a suit and $800 for a dress just to be "sharp" and draw attention... somebody's living a lie.
The parables that was taught by Jesus was not to entertain you people, but for understanding. Somebody's going to be a foolish virgin when Jesus returns with NO oil in your lamp. Sadly, some lamps haven't even been initially filled. Two will be sleeping. One taken and the other left. Two will be in the field. One taken and the other left. Two will be on LGM. One taken and the other left.... somebody's going to hell.
I am in no way trying to be "holier than thou" and condenming folks to hell, but God's word is his word and you can try to walk around it, jump over it or crawl under it, but if you don't adhere to it, you'll pay the consequences of your actions. People do want they want to do and go to churches that concurs to their beliefs, but that doesn't change the absoluteness of God's word. Everbody ain't right and theres going to be whole groups of people crying, "Lord, Lord" on that great and terrible day.
Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell...
Lord Help...
We as christians are start to loose touch with GOD, because everyone is now being taught the word from that denominations point of view, which is creating all of this stuff. People need to study the word for themselves and seek a true understanding from God not man. Let's be honest how many of us really read the word when seeking a answer about the word. Most of the time we ask someone we think will have the answer.....
We as christians are start to loose touch with GOD, because everyone is now being taught the word from that denominations point of view, which is creating all of this stuff. People need to study the word for themselves and seek a true understanding from God not man. Let's be honest how many of us really read the word when seeking a answer about the word. Most of the time we ask someone we think will have the answer.....
NJTheBishopAnderson,
Do you believe that someone can believe differently than you do on these topics and still know the Lord? I'm talking about someone who professes to be a Christian.
HammerRock
I just think we should be quick to save people and make disciples than condemn people and send them to hell (even though we have no hell to put them in). ::)
AIN'T ( LEAVE ME ALONE GRAMMAR wHIZ) ;D.. THAT THE TRUTH!!!
I have never seen so many able to tell folks they are going to hell and thay are still here on earth trying to make it in themselves.
I just think we should be quick to save people and make disciples than condemn people and send them to hell (even though we have no hell to put them in). ::)
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These are my wings MaMaT DONT TOUCH OR ELSE LOL
AIN'T ( LEAVE ME ALONE GRAMMAR wHIZ) ;D.. THAT THE TRUTH!!!
I have never seen so many able to tell folks they are going to hell and thay are still here on earth trying to make it in themselves.
AMEN!!! Girl i'm about to throw my handkerchief at you. We telling people they going to hell instead of making sure that that kind of judging isn't sending us to hell.
AMEN!!! Girl i'm about to throw my handkerchief at you. We telling people they going to hell instead of making sure that that kind of judging isn't sending us to hell.I just think we should be quick to save people and make disciples than condemn people and send them to hell (even though we have no hell to put them in). ::)AIN'T ( LEAVE ME ALONE GRAMMAR wHIZ) ;D.. THAT THE TRUTH!!!
I have never seen so many able to tell folks they are going to hell and thay are still here on earth trying to make it in themselves.
YES SIR! NONE OF US HAS A HEAVEN OR HELL TO PUT ANYBODY IN...
Tri-Tip is ready & being served ;D
AIN'T ( LEAVE ME ALONE GRAMMAR wHIZ) ;D.. THAT THE TRUTH!!!
I have never seen so many able to tell folks they are going to hell and thay are still here on earth trying to make it in themselves.
AMEN!!! Girl i'm about to throw my handkerchief at you. We telling people they going to hell instead of making sure that that kind of judging isn't sending us to hell.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ok I see the writing on the wall....... It's not your fault Bro. Just a minute...!!!
Sj- Don't start again!!!!!!! :P
*poof, The Grammar Wizard exits (sipping on Red Kool-Aid)
What part of READ a person't bio did you miss the last time I posted?! ;D
:o :o :o I'm sorry doc, the pic threw me off.
And hey, i can't spend my time lookin at everyone's bio ;D
Thereis this little gender sign RIGHT by the picture.... HE HE HE LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And on that note, let me go pick up my face. :-[ ::)
Mr. Anderson, I do not hate you. I don't know you. I don't have hate in my heart for no man. You have your opinion, I have mine. I don't use this platform to preach at people. I'm here to share and learn, not to be popular. As you can see, I haven quoted any scriptures to back up my views. I just let y'all preachers do that. I'll go to the word myself and if I need clarity, I call my Pastor, he's a very old and wise man who will speak the truth as you claim you do... You did started this thread and you knew this was coming.
I will follow the example of iamworship (who was all on it with the scriptures that you rarely hear preached over an apostolic pulpit...)
Keynote: Yes Yes!!Man, I think certain people completely overlook this statment when it comes to speaking in tongues. If there is no interpreter, than it's just a bunch of jibberish. I truly believe that some of these chruches who are big on speaking in tongues are teaching them how to speak in tongues, like there is some type of dictionary on tongues. Man the devil can speak in tongues, is he going to Heaven? NO
Paul says in no uncertain terms in church, on sunday, monday, saturday whatever day do not speak in tongues outwardly unless A. you have an interpreter B. when it is no more than 3 and you have an interpreter. Paul says it's better to pray, sing, worship in the spirit and, in your mind when you want to talk to God. That is not outward audible tongues. Yet I see it just about every Sunday all over the place. I just want to know are we doing what Paul has instructed? So I have to look at this in a new light after reading the entire chapter.
You will not hear this message on Sunday. The word says edify the body, not yourself.
Don't you think that should be preached over any pulpit that is preaching the word of God?
The WORD for TODAY:
LEGALISM
A good word for everyone to look up and understand.
Again, just a word to look up.
Be Blessed.
Man, I think certain people completely overlook this statment when it comes to speaking in tongues. If there is no interpreter, than it's just a bunch of jibberish. I truly believe that some of these chruches who are big on speaking in tongues are teaching them how to speak in tongues, like there is some type of dictionary on tongues. Man the devil can speak in tongues, is he going to Heaven? NO
Can someone tell me where the restroom is!?!?!?!?! The wings are tearing my stomach up!!!!
Yea, it's down the hall, about three doors, on the left.
I told ya'll ya might wanna wait 45 minutes. Enter at your own risk. ;D ;D
Man, I think certain people completely overlook this statment when it comes to speaking in tongues. If there is no interpreter, than it's just a bunch of jibberish. I truly believe that some of these chruches who are big on speaking in tongues are teaching them how to speak in tongues, like there is some type of dictionary on tongues. Man the devil can speak in tongues, is he going to Heaven? NO
POW!!!! Thank you BEATBOXERZ, thats what I've been waiting for....I'm not here to battle with you over scriptures Mr. Anderson. I'm quite sure that you are a Very Intelligent Man Of God and I'm sure that you know what you're talking about. I'm here to learn what I don't know. It's just a little strange that your commemts come off as the end all that be all and you're telling us that if we don't speak in tongues that we're going to hell. Man, I pray that God Grace be upon all his people when it's time to go. I wouldn't know if I spoke in tongues or not, I speak in english tongues.
In Acts there were approx 20 different types of Jew present and they ALL heard languages in their OWN tongue. Today we have a plethora of languages.. French, German, Armenian, Arabic, Swahelee, Itailian, Russan and so many more, but of the 27 years I've been in church and throughtout all the services, people in various denominations, I've found most tongues to be the SAME!!
Uh oh, I know, y'all wanna another piece of me (LOL)... Does the Holy Ghost know only ONE language?? Yet, everyone says they have the spirit and are lead and guided by the spirit. No... theres some deception amongst the believers and the devil is glad about it. The biggest weapon that can be used against man is a lie. Adam and Eve found that out the hard way.
That is the root of this thread... everybody says they got it, but somebody wrong.
Yes I do.
Check out my post on iamworship's thread about tougues
- be blessed
Dang, Sister T.!! Not again!!! :o :D
"Let the church say YES...Yes, YES...say YES, Yesss, Yes Lord!"
Can someone tell me where the restroom is!?!?!?!?! The wings are tearing my stomach up!!!!
I'm not here to battle with you over scriptures Mr. Anderson. I'm quite sure that you are a Very Intelligent Man Of God and I sure that you know what you're talking about. I'm here to learn what I don't know. It's just a little strange that your commemts come off as the end all that be all and you're telling us that if we don't speak in tongues that we're going to hell. Man, I pray that God Grace be upon all his people when it's time to go. I wouldn't know if I spoke in tongues or not, I speak in english tongues.
WOW 4 pages already......I knew it! LOL
I got my plate of Carribean Jerk Wings, and my garlic potato wdges now, with my glass of Simply Lemonade.
And let's just say I'm on my way to heaven and I'm SOOOOOO glad......the world can't do me no harm!! :) ;D ;D
Be blessed! ;D
WOW 4 pages already......I knew it! LOL
I got my plate of Carribean Jerk Wings, and my garlic potato wdges now, with my glass of Simply Lemonade.
And let's just say I'm on my way to heaven and I'm SOOOOOO glad......the world can't do me no harm!! :) ;D ;D
Be blessed! ;D
You might wanna stop in the bathroom first. You don't want those wings and garlic potatos to start clashing just when you try to step in the Pearly gates. Take some air freshener with you. DeeMee been in their and it ain't pretty! ;D :D ;D :D
How about sharing some lemonade with a sista!
You might wanna stop in the bathroom first on your way to heaven. You don't want those wings and garlic potatos to start clashing just when you try to step in the Pearly gates. Take some air freshener with you. DeeMee been in there and it ain't pretty! ;D :D ;D :D
How about sharing some lemonade with a sista!
Hey! I didn't see those. Gimme one! *snatches up a wing and jets* :D
HEY HEY HEY!! >:(
<<<Snatches wing back after SJON runs 2 feet and gives out of breath. :D ;D :D ;D
SJON you know you still my boy!
O DIDNT GET TO READ ALL 4 PAGES... BUT WE ARE NOT SAVED BY OUR DENOMINATION...
SO WHO TOOK MY BBQ WINGS...IMA BE BEFORE THE LORD CUZ IMA HAVE TO HURT SOMEBODY!!!
If I tell a church musician thats a homosexual, hes going to hell, my head will be on a pole. Does that change it from being the truth? No. Yet, westernize thinking makes God a whimp and have everyone saying, "Not so".
Why would you tell him/her that they are going to hell??? ?/? ?/? ?/?... why not tell them that God doesnt want them to go to hell... and teach them what God wants from them... Telling someone that they are going to hell is NOT gonna build the kingdom nor is it gonna lead people to christ...
Your main focus as a minister of the "Truth" is to teach not judge or condem people to Hell... Of course we know that there are people who are NOT gonna make it into heaven... it is stated in the Bible... However, Our Job as ministers it to teach the word to ALL the nations... not just some people we like...
I have more... give me a few more minutes... and I'll get back atcha....
Why would you tell him/her that they are going to hell??? ?/? ?/? ?/?... why not tell them that God doesnt want them to go to hell... and teach them what God wants from them... Telling someone that they are going to hell is NOT gonna build the kingdom nor is it gonna lead people to christ...
Your main focus as a minister of the "Truth" is to teach not judge or condem people to Hell... Of course we know that there are people who are NOT gonna make it into heaven... it is stated in the Bible... However, Our Job as ministers it to teach the word to ALL the nations... not just some people we like...
I have more... give me a few more minutes... and I'll get back atcha....
Ooops!!! Um man this reminds me of my post about eductaed and uneducated folks. Somebody said and it is correct that the educated person has a responsibility to find a way to reach the uneducated in a positive way ( something like that)I remember that comment in that thread and I agree.
OK good lookin' out, MamaT!! :D ;D
I got some Glade Strawberries and Cream air freshener with me right now, and I'm fixin' you a nice TALL glass of lemonade as we speak! ;D
I just think we should be quick to save people and make disciples than condemn people and send them to hell (even though we have no hell to put them in). ::)
The word is _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .
* it ignores or underestimates the role of inner attitude and motivation;
* it focuses upon self-effort rather than on divine enablement;
* it encourages pride rather than humble dependence upon God;
* it tends to ‘use’ the Scriptures to reinforce our own preconceived ideas and preferences;
* it tends to conceive of our acceptance with God as performance oriented;
* it arouses the flesh and incites us to sin, rather than the avoidance of sin;
* it tends to impose one’s personal convictions on others, and to condemn them if they fail to live up to our rules.
__________ provides comfort to insecure people. But, as they become more mature and experienced in their faith, they often discover that the rigid codes oversimplify reality.
__________ often use biblical scripture in order to back up these doctrines and laws. Most of the time it is through the interpretation and misinterpretation of the Bible that these laws become reality to the members.
In the process of establishing and enforcing these "man made rules and doctrines", the church leadership becomes no better than modern day Pharisees. And, eventually can drive people away from Christianity. Which is the ultimate sin. In their attempt at cultivating a flock, they have driven people away.
Which goes into another subject, Church leadership. Sometimes corrupt and sometimes authoritarian. For some unexplained reason, Pastors and high church officials perceive themselves to be on a higher level than the common man. Or, that they are closer to God because of their position. Obviously, the Pharisees used this same tactic in the first century.
Some ministers do have some training in psychology. This in itself can be a weapon. They also perceive themselves to be the ultimate authority on God and the Bible. And, worse yet, they also may feel that they personally are closer to God and have his authority.
Can you guess what the word is? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
The word is _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .
* it ignores or underestimates the role of inner attitude and motivation;
* it focuses upon self-effort rather than on divine enablement;
* it encourages pride rather than humble dependence upon God;
* it tends to ‘use’ the Scriptures to reinforce our own preconceived ideas and preferences;
* it tends to conceive of our acceptance with God as performance oriented;
* it arouses the flesh and incites us to sin, rather than the avoidance of sin;
* it tends to impose one’s personal convictions on others, and to condemn them if they fail to live up to our rules.
__________ provides comfort to insecure people. But, as they become more mature and experienced in their faith, they often discover that the rigid codes oversimplify reality.
__________ often use biblical scripture in order to back up these doctrines and laws. Most of the time it is through the interpretation and misinterpretation of the Bible that these laws become reality to the members.
In the process of establishing and enforcing these "man made rules and doctrines", the church leadership becomes no better than modern day Pharisees. And, eventually can drive people away from Christianity. Which is the ultimate sin. In their attempt at cultivating a flock, they have driven people away.
Which goes into another subject, Church leadership. Sometimes corrupt and sometimes authoritarian. For some unexplained reason, Pastors and high church officials perceive themselves to be on a higher level than the common man. Or, that they are closer to God because of their position. Obviously, the Pharisees used this same tactic in the first century.
Some ministers do have some training in psychology. This in itself can be a weapon. They also perceive themselves to be the ultimate authority on God and the Bible. And, worse yet, they also may feel that they personally are closer to God and have his authority.
Can you guess what the word is? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Aaahhh, there are the wings.....are they hot wings?
Sorry I'm late, I just got off work...
MommyT can I have one of those wings??? and who drank my Kool-Aid???
SJon, can you put me a hotlink on the grill???
Sorry I'm late, I just got off work...
MommyT can I have one of those wings??? and who drank my Kool-Aid???
SJon, can you put me a hotlink on the grill???
Greetings in the precious name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
As a member of LGM, I'm aware of the religious diversity that is encompassed throughout this site, but I must as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ express something of importance. This stems from that "tongue" thread. Time to stop the foolishness.
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This will probably offend MANY and for it I do
not apologize, even if it cost me this thread.
If theres one thing that I know, it is that God is absolute. He being absolute, makes his word (the truth) absolute. We as man, being the fallable humans we are, will misinterpret these truths and even go as far as to change them to suite us. Yet, that which God has established remains true, just and INFALLABLE. Yeah, God is love and he loves his creation with a everlasting love, but hes also sovereign and eventually passes judgement to those who fail to adhere to his truths.
With that being said, I will say this, "Someone's living a lie and somebody's going to hell". What do I mean? Everybody here believes in Christ and everyone here considers themselves "Christians", but we foolishly have over 1300 denominations in the world of Christiandom because everybody wanna believe they have "the truth". People, listen, theres only one truth! The WORD!
Yes, the bible contains areas of symbolism and then there are passages that can just be taken for face value (literal). Understanding the Hermeneutics (the science of interpretation) of the bible may be tricky to some, but through prayer and reading in the Holy Ghost grants one true spiritual insight. Simply, there are things that we've been taught without doing any personal research, and things that we accept cause it "sounds" good, but isn't alway lined up with God's word.
Why am I saying all this? Cause we've somehow begun to live in a delusional world of believing that everybody gonna make it and that just ain't true. The bible clearly tell me what its going to take to make the rapture. Paul, one of the greatest of the apostles says in Ephesians, "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism so that means SOMEONE'S living a lie. Some say baptism's "In Jesus name" and others "Father, Son, Holy Ghost and both can't be right. I've seen no baptisms in the "Father, son, Holy Ghost" method ANYWHERE else in scripture... somebody's going to hell.
Some say that women can't preach and then you have women that say they're called.... someone's living a lie. I personally don't see any women elders, apostles, bishops or any thing else in the NT and scripture even addresses those women who assume church authority (Rev. 2:20-23), but then I'm called a "hater" because of what the word CLEARLY states.... somebody's going to hell.
Some say that theres three in heaven, and other say that theres only ONE Lord... someone's living a lie. My bible tells me, "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" in Mark 12 and that the Father, Word and Holy Ghost are ONE in I John 5:7... somebody's going to hell.
There are those that believe you must live a holy and sanctified life before the Lord, then there are those that think you can live some filthy, degraded life and God understands your heart... someone's living a lie. The Spirit tells me that "the soul that sinneth SHALL die" and my word backs that up... somebody's going to hell.
"You don't need to speak in tongues to have the Holy Ghost" says some, and other believers say that its the initial evidence of it.... someone's living a lie. Jesus told Nicodemus, "You MUST be born of the water and the SPIRIT". How clearer can he be?? On the Day of Pentecost when the first church was established, he scripture says,
Acts 2:4
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Why is that so hard to comprehend?? Yet there are those that sees it as meaningless to salvation... somebody's going to hell.
Scripture talks against men with LONG hair, but brothers will dread it up or curl in down with no conviction. Paul addresses the plating of hair and modest apparel of believers, yet we'll spend $1200 for a suit and $800 for a dress just to be "sharp" and draw attention... somebody's living a lie.
The parables that was taught by Jesus was not to entertain you people, but for understanding. Somebody's going to be a foolish virgin when Jesus returns with NO oil in your lamp. Sadly, some lamps haven't even been initially filled. Two will be sleeping. One taken and the other left. Two will be in the field. One taken and the other left. Two will be on LGM. One taken and the other left.... somebody's going to hell.
I am in no way trying to be "holier than thou" and condenming folks to hell,
but God's word is his word and you can try to walk around it, jump over it or crawl under it, but if you don't adhere to it, you'll pay the consequences of your actions. People do want they want to do and go to churches that concurs to their beliefs, but that doesn't change the absoluteness of God's word. Everbody ain't right and theres going to be whole groups of people crying, "Lord, Lord" on that great and terrible day.
Someone's living a lie, somebody's going to hell...
Lord Help...
Nakia... you completely miss the point of NJ's post.
Nakia... you completely miss the point of NJ's post.
Completely... every disected part.
Lord help...
Well yall, it's now dinner time and we are own page 5 I think ?/?. I got dinner, got some fried chicken, mac & cheese, greens (I already know SJ, I already know) ;) potato salad, sliced tomatoes, and some sweet tea. 8)
And since them hotwings from lunch done gave some the bg's (bubble guts) I got a fresh can of spray. ;)
Come on, pull up a chair next to Dingster. Loopy made some fresh lemonade, or you can drink some of the kool-aid. We got some air freshener when it's time for you to go to take the throne in the "reading room."
Good lookin' on the extra can of spray. I've got some steaks grillin', just in case. DID ANYONE GET SOME MORE PACKETS OF THE RED KOOL-AID!!?? We're fresh out!!!!
BTW, I think the devil is having a big ole laugh downstairs. Not at the debate, but at the way we, CHRISTIANS seem to continuously come at each other's neck with the "Word".
WHAT AM I DOING?!?!?!?!? ?/? ?/? ?/?
Almost forgot my place....... on that there, grill ;)
GOT DEM HOT LINKS!!! ONLY A FEW LEFT!!! GET YO' HOT LINKS, RIGHT CHERE!!! ;D :D :D ;) :D ;D :D ;D
"Came out feelin bout 10 punds lighter!!!!!!"Oh yeah, don't forget to put some lemon juice in that kool-aid ;D ;D
Ok, what I miss? Hook a brother up with some kool aid.
"Came out feelin bout 10 punds lighter!!!!!!"On another note... Your little boy is very cute. He looks just like my second son at the age, with the bald fade and husky body. Keep him on the keys man. :)
Ok, what I miss? Hook a brother up with some kool aid.
Dang, I been in that bathroom almost three hours... What'd I miss???
Tell me again, from the beginning... All I could hear through the door was SJon yellin about some hot links... whewww... that's it for me, anyone have some Pepto? Oh, and MamaT, I burnt your decorative towel tryin to light an inscents.... Well, actually I didn't know that I could start a fire by spraying air freshner on it first.... I didn't think that air freshner was flammable... My bad....
On another note... You little boy is very cute. He looks just like my second son at the age, with the bald fade and husky body. Keep him on the keys man. :)
First of all.........The bible tells us that we all only know in parts, so with that being said, no one knows everything there is to know about Gods Word. Now if you do an extensive study on the Acts of the Apostles, on the day of Pentecost you will see that history tells us that when the Holy Spirit fell upon the Apostles they began to speak with OTHER tongues. In this verse the word tongues literaly means dialect/language. How do we know this? because the next verse tells us that every man/woman heard the word in their own language. Now history tells us that there were people from at least 16 different nations. So when they spoke with "other tongues" they were speaking literal languages, not this hababashonuffalover stuff that you hear people babbling off these days. Now with that being said, why is it that everybody who "claims" they are speaking in tongues appear to be saying the almost exact same thing. Not to mention the fact that no one understands a word they are saying. Now Corinthians tells us that if there is no interpreter then the understanding is unfruitful. Now there is a difference in New Tongues,Other Tongues and Unknown Tongues.I agree...
New tongues: Holiness in conversation
Other tongues: Literal Languages
Unknown Tongues: Speaking mysteries in the Spirit (Corinthians says if there is no interpreter then it is an unknown tongue and must then be done off to yourself to keep down confusion in the church) refrence Cor 14:28 & Cor 14:33
In closing I would like to say that I do believe that speaking in tongues is relevent, however not a requirement for salvation. Now if speaking in tongues was the only evidence of the Holy Ghost , then show me in the bible where after the Holy Ghost fell upon Jesus like a dove He spoke in tongues. Secondly, why didnt the thief on the cross speak in tongues but still went to Heaven?
Not my towel! I'm gonna have a Florida Evans moment------- Dang! Dang! Dang!
Jonathan, I know it's late, but, I think you need to fire up the grill again and put some ribs on this time. I'm a little down about my towel!
Secondly, why didnt the thief on the cross speak in tongues but still went to Heaven?
Is this the new speed thread¿ ?/?
Is this the new speed thread¿ ?/?
Is this the new speed thread¿ ?/?
Nakia... you completely miss the point of NJ's post.
Nakia... you completely miss the point of NJ's post.
No I didn't....
No Lord Help you because there was no point... Just a bunch of babble....
If either of you had read my post you would see that I didnt MISS a thing...
You were just blinded to what was CLEARLY stated...
Also... if you have a problem with what I stated and/or you feel that it is invalid or NOT the "Truth" feel free to discuss it...
I thought this was a discussion.... NOT a debate.... Or an I'm RIGHT and you're going to hell topic....
HAHA.. thats exactly what this is.... "someone's living a lie... somebody's going to hell" ..and it was previously stated that this would offend many people.. sooo here we go.
Where's that popcorn again?
I HAVE GOT TO SAY THIS: NJ
(There will probably be as many people in heaven just as suprised to see you as you will to see them!!!!!)
First of all Im really disappointed that this is still the position concerning "WOMEN" in many DENOMINATIONS.....
HOWEVER
I'm so GLAD no You didnt DIE NO cross for me .......and YOU dont have no heaven or hell to put ME in. Because accordning to you I wouldnt make it. Women have come from the kitchen to corporate office and are still making LARGE strides in this world, on your CLOCK, today. And only in certain denomination are they still to be Quiet and know their place...THE DEVIL IS A LIE!!!!!!
The Authority of the Almighty God is given to each of us through the Holy Spirit (not our male or female body part) and what you think, or say will not in any way deter me from Preaching or speaking into a life that needs deliverance and healing. (However what you say COULD deter someone young lady who has a word in her belly...or convince some young person here that women shouldnt be in the PULPIT....THE DEVIL AGAIN IS A LIE!!!!!! (Sounds like a control issue to me)
NEWSFLASH!!!!!...GOD uses who he wants to use!!!!!
LAWD have mercy....SIS T, PRAIZE, SJON, NAKIA,Uriah somebody get my purse....Im about to give an offering to the cook because I eat like crazy when I get UPSET!!!!!!
With Love and Kindness have I drawn thee........
Ok Im with you on that, in that I do believe that a woman can speak, preach, pray, be a prophetess, be a missionary OK, but where is it in the scripture that a woman can be a bishop and an apostle, and what scripture can you give me for that. I don't care how much God uses you in whatever you do, you STILL have to know your place as a woman, and as a man and work in that...
Just a question.
Man, I am so mad that I actually read all 6 pages of this mumbo jumbo. The only saving factor was everybody talking about food. Yall know I likes food, so if the grill still open I want some Ribeye steaks (medium-well), a big basket of onion rings, some Texas Toast garlic bread, and some good ole Red Hawaiin Punch.
This thing is totally ridiculous (i hope that's spelled right GW). Everybody trying to make a point, but nobody is really making a point. This is just a big argument, and a pretty funny one at that. I agree with whoever said the devil is probably busting a gut reading all this stuff cuz I'm laughing myself. We'll just see who makes it to Heaven when it's all over!!! ;D
I can't believe you admitted to reading all six pages. LOL! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
I can't believe you admitted to reading all six pages. LOL! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
I agree with whoever said the devil is probably busting a gut reading all this stuff cuz I'm laughing myself.
Ok Im with you on that, in that I do believe that a woman can speak, preach, pray, be a prophetess, be a missionary OK, but where is it in the scripture that a woman can be a bishop and an apostle, and what scripture can you give me for that. I don't care how much God uses you in whatever you do, you STILL have to know your place as a woman, and as a man and work in that...
Just a question.
Although I had never posted before I could just not past on an opportunity to share some of my thoughts with you all.
First let me say that as a musician what brought me to this site originally was its emphasis on music. After some time I noticed that the originators of this site broadened the scope and have started other many topics. Although I have no problem in principle with this and even if I had a problem with it in my wisdom I realize that my “opinion” would just be that, my opinion; yet I am compelled in my wisdom (..Still constantly praying for more though, ) to point out to you all in love and to the owners/moderators of this site of some of the “dangers” implied with this approach.
1. It is not just by accident that music is considered as THE universal language in that it
has the ability to bridge all types of apparent and factual differences between people,
cultures, etc.
2. Evident from the level and tone of the discussion as related to this topic I believe that
a safe assumption is to say that it has brought out a clear reality: we are from different
sociological, geographical, cultural, philosophical and theological backgrounds and
persuasions yet; I hope we could agree parts of the same body of Christ.
3. Topics such as this that are based on personal theology and/or belief are likely to cause
some of the effects that we are seeing. Now, because I really don’t know any of you
on a personal level and can only read what is typed I don’t know how serious it is
being taken but hope that it is not as serious as it appears to be from just reading some
of the posts.
4. The reality is that because we are all different we will always have different views on
issues such as this. And if the focus is to create topics and or site whose focus is
creating divisive issues then this is the way to go to get that effect. Some folks like
some drama and there are some that sustain that some drama in your life might not be
all that bad. But even if that is the idea I believe that some care and wisdom must still
be used since we are, or should be, our brothers’ keeper and someone might be hurt
and or offended on a personal level by some of what has been exchanged in this thread.
5. In summary, why don’t we stick to what binds us together than focus on obvious and
inevitable differences?
Finally, I propose and move for the moderator to declare this particular topic dead and let us move on to music.
I agree with whoever said the devil is probably busting a gut reading all this stuff cuz I'm laughing myself.
i don't really listen to them. how good are they?
anyone got some oxtails?! ;D ::)
anyone got some oxtails?! ;D ::)
Oh LAWD! she done mentioned the oxtails! I'm so hungry!!! ;D
Oxtails with some collard greens, rice, cornbread, mac and cheese, and homemade poundcake! WOO LAWD!! ;D
Oh yes they are HOT... that is if you like R&b.... They have that sorta feel to it...
Also, Out of Eden is HOT too...
Out of Eden has been my favorite girl group since their beginning. Too bad they are no longer a group. They came in silently and it looks like they are just about leaving out the same way :-[
Paul, one of the greatest of the apostles says in Ephesians, "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism so that means SOMEONE'S living a lie. Some say baptism's "In Jesus name" and others "Father, Son, Holy Ghost and both can't be right. I've seen no baptisms in the "Father, son, Holy Ghost" method ANYWHERE else in scripture... somebody's going to hell.
I know I'm late...but, can you explain what you mean here?
Hey Teme.... Girl don't get caught up....... have a brat..... this one is one the house! ;D ;D
LOL...I wasn't going to. I "learnt" (as the old folks say) my lesson a long time ago. I was just curious. Thanks for the brat. I love them!!!
Well, as the old folks say..... You learnt good!
And you're welcome.... have another.... and some good ole Red Kool-Aid as well! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh LAWD! she done mentioned the oxtails! I'm so hungry!!! ;D
Oxtails with some collard greens, rice, cornbread, mac and cheese, and homemade poundcake! WOO LAWD!! ;D
I know I'm late...but, can you explain what you mean here?
anyone got some oxtails?! ;D ::)
What in the world?!?? :o :o :o
I can't believe I have
Washed 6 loads of clothes and folded them
Worked an 8hr day
Fished for 12 hours ( Caught 2 18lb Salmon) :P ;D
Drove for 6 hours
Had 5 meals
12 snacks ( THANS SJ)
Worshipped
been to a 2 day Revival
Talked to my son, my daughter
My mother
My brother
Had 2 meetings
2 practices
Watched 3 football games
Went # 2 3 times ( all the snacks in here sorry) ;D Took my wife to dinner
Change a starter on my friends car
learned 2 new songs
AND WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/?
No scriptural support?
the apostles were instructed to baptize in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins... Some religions baptize in the name of the father, son, and Holy Ghost. There's no scripture for doing it that way.
From what I understand... the Catholics are responsible for this. In one of my religions classes in college the professor explained that the Catholics changed it waaaay back when because they didn't want to leave anyone out (since they believe in a trinity)-3 distinct separate beings in the Godhead..... hence the 'father, son, holy ghost' baptisms..
hope this helped..
And, then go SADDOWN somewhere and ask NO MORE questions. ;)
SJon ~ I learned to deal with the fact that you don't like greens ::)(OK some black folks are "like that"), but you NEVER heard of oxtails???? ?/? >:( :-\ Maaaan...I love boiled oxtails with cabbage, carrots & onions and have some buttered cornbread on the side. Talk about some good eatin'!! :) :)
(dropping head and kicking stone on ground) awwwww mannnnnn!!!!!
Thanks praize...you always make me feel better...(mean ole sj hurt my feelings...sniffle, sniffle. he don't know that i'm vunerable right now!!) :D
Has ANYONE had the thought that this post was created to cause dissension? As opposed to sparking a "discussion" ?/?
Hey I'm witcha on the food Loopy...but I'm not a girl!! >:( :P :D
And for the record, SJON, Oxtails is BEEF (not really oxen). Man we are gonna REALLY have to school, you, bruh! ::) :D
Inside SJ is a black man waiting to get out! :)
Then call it BEEFTAILS!! Or, something other than it's present name!!
****SWOOSH**** LadyWiz (as GL card-carrying member rushes in)
Now SJon ~ do I really have to say anything about this?? :o :D It's "its"
****SWOOSH**** LadyWiz leaves to get ready for work :D :D ;)
Gadzooks, I've been got.
Forgive me, it's still early in the morning. :D
I'm so glad that I'm not going to hell just because others want me to go.
They want me to go because I can fellowship and worship with Pentacostals, Catholics, and Baptists while still knowing what I beleive and most of all in WHOM I have beleived. They want me to go because I am very educated . . . I mean very educated . . . and they say education puffs up and makes me prideful.
Girl, the ribs are coming. I'm sorry about your towel. Told you, you can't let just anyone use it. ::) :D
Ya'll can KEEP those oxtails and the greens could you BE more disgusting?!.
It's an OX for the love of the Lord!!!! AN OX!!!! ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/? ?/?
And, for the record Temejo, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. It's just that there's A LOT of stuff that's going to be flying by and I don't want YOU to get hit!!!
*lifts chin*
No, put that pretty smile back on your face. And, eat your oxtails. ;)
Has ANYONE had the thought that this post was created to cause dissension? As opposed to sparking a "discussion" ?/?
Just a thought, don't mind me. I'm just the chef. ;) :D
What sends people to hell? Refusing to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour; not repenting from their sins, acknowledging that they are sinners who cannot save themselves and not accepting His Redeeming and Atoning Blood for their sins and not following Him as Lord. That is what sends people to hell. Your doctrine isn't going to send anyone to hell . . . but it may confuse some who are here on earth, so let me set some things straight.
While Scripture is being argued, don't forget the Scripture that says that if you will confess Jesus Is Lord, and beleive in your heart that GOD has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Now that's IT right there! BAG OF AMEN'S, PLEASE!
Lest we also forget:
John 3:36: He who believes on the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Ephesians 2:8-9: For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. not of works, lest anyone should boast.
These Oxtails sure are good! ;D
Please excuse little old me but at the end of all these pages...
is anyone getting saved?
is anyone getting closer to Jesus?
is anyone's life being changed for the better?
?/?
Well said Bboy!
By the way, are oxtails that good? Never had them
Reddgirl, next time my mama cooks them, I'm fixin' you and SJON a plate. You be trying to eat your own fingers off!!
She cooks them in brown gravy, and sometimes she cooks them with stewed tomatoes. I have also had them barbequed, and carribean style, and I've had oxtail soup. Either way, they are the BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!
Reddgirl, next time my mama cooks them, I'm fixin' you and SJON a plate. You be trying to eat your own fingers off!!
She cooks them in brown gravy, and sometimes she cooks them with stewed tomatoes. I have also had them barbequed, and carribean style, and I've had oxtail soup. Either way, they are the BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!
wha...oxtail soup?! :o :o
Next time I'm down I'mma make a special trip ;) :D
May I to ask what part of the cow do they come from? Are they like chitterlings? Need an education on oxtails.
Reddgirl, next time my mama cooks them, I'm fixin' you and SJON a plate. You be trying to eat your own fingers off!!
She cooks them in brown gravy, and sometimes she cooks them with stewed tomatoes. I have also had them barbequed, and carribean style, and I've had oxtail soup. Either way, they are the BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said Bboy!
By the way, are oxtails that good? Never had them
If I had to choose between an oxtail and a husband.......
................PASS ME THAT HOT SAUCE!!!
:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
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I may die single... but I will be fat and happy and full of MY favorite food!
ummmm Sis. ReddGirl, I think it's safe to say that oxtails come from the tails of oxen...LOL. They are sorta like neckbones, but in the tails.
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Thanks for the info. Not always so obvious. Like sweetbread is the thymus of the cow. Don't know til you ask
OH MY GOODNESSS!!!! What in tarnation???? where have yall been????This thread is sooo illrelevent. This is a thread about groceries... 9 page of internet geoceries.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::), It's not funny anymore. A bunch of over weight Christians.
(and what does this have to do with the original post? boy yall are notorious for that ain't cha?)
This thread is sooo illrelevent. This is a thread about groceries... 9 page of internet geoceries.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::), It's not funny anymore. A bunch of over weight Christians.
What is a grit?
Groceries of the spiritYeah, the spirit of FOOD....
This thread is sooo illrelevent. This is a thread about groceries... 9 page of internet geoceries.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::), It's not funny anymore. A bunch of over weight Christians.
This thread is sooo illrelevent. This is a thread about groceries... 9 page of internet geoceries.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::), It's not funny anymore. A bunch of over weight Christians.
Ok 5 pages of food... I wasn't directing my comments to anyone in particular SJ, and definitely not you. It's just getting old that's all. I'm not trying to put anyone down bro. God Bless...
First, it's not 9 pages of groceries.
Second, you didn't have to reply, you chose to; negatively at that. What, we can't have fun unless we're putting people down? ::)
Ok 5 pages of food... I wasn't directing my comments to anyone in particular SJ, and definitely not you. I just getting old that's all. I'm not trying to put anyone down bro. God Bless...
;) ;D ;D 8)
Man, we straight; don't even trip. ;) ;D
We may not agree on salvation... but we can agree on food... Amen Amen Amen... Pass the wangs!
I came. I saw. Boy boy boy!! Bishop, WE GOTTA TALK!!!!!!!
DR LAT
I couldnt resist this was the post of the year for me just cause of the title... :D :D :D
Scripture talks against men with LONG hair, but brothers will dread it up or curl in down with no conviction. Paul addresses the plating of hair and modest apparel of believers, yet we'll spend $1200 for a suit and $800 for a dress just to be "sharp" and draw attention... somebody's living a lie.
Scripture talks against men with LONG hair, but brothers will dread it up or curl in down with no conviction. Paul addresses the plating of hair and modest apparel of believers, yet we'll spend $1200 for a suit and $800 for a dress just to be "sharp" and draw attention... somebody's living a lie.
I'm with you on ABOUT everything......till you said this. :(
"MODEST" doesn't mean "cheap" sir. It means don't come to church in a purple suit with a pimp hat, huge Gold Chain and diamond rings on every finger.
It means, for the ladies, don't come to church with a too-tight mini skirt.
It doesn't mean that you should some to church wearing $70 suits. If the Lord has blessed me with a job making a significant amount of money, should I walk in a store and get a $70 suit, or a $500 suit?
It's views like this that have folk believing that a Pastor shouldn't have a nice home or drive the best car or wear the best clothes. Because he's supposed to be "humble". HUH?!?!
Being humble isn't wearing cheap clothes or being poor. ;)
Since we're talking about monetary things, why not wear the $70 suit and save that $500 on your kids education? ;)
A thought spoken. ;)
Since we're talking about monetary things, why not wear the $70 suit and save that $500 on your kids education? ;)
A thought spoken. ;)
My statement was based on somebody who can AFFORD a $500 suit. Not somebody who has to rob Peter to pay Paul, buy the suit, then not be able to take care of other obligations.
My statement was based on somebody who can AFFORD a $500 suit. Not somebody who has to rob Peter to pay Paul, buy the suit, then not be able to take care of other obligations.
Just because you can AFFORD it doesn't mean to HAVE to buy it. ;)
Another thought spoken. :D
No, you don't HAVE to do anything. lol.
But If the Lord blesses me with a six-figure salary, I will dress and drive and live like It. ;)
Cool. Me? I'm going to leave an inheritance to my children's children's children, if the Lord blesses me with that same salary. As the song goes, "to each his own". ;) :D
I wonder why you think you must live like a pauper to do so. ?/?
I wonder why you think you must live like a pauper to do so. ?/?
Cause they had tole me that Ewing was making a comback... he got new knees and eeerrrything.....
Cause they had tole me that Ewing was making a comback... he got new knees and eeerrrything.....
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I wonder what makes you think I'm living like a pauper? ;)
Quick story.
My former pastor has this obsession with watches. No, seriously; watches. So, we were looking around the mall a few Christmases ago and he came across this fancy looking watch worth a boatload of cash.
I asked him why he would want to spend that kind of money for a watch; to which he replied that he simply really liked watches.
THAT'S IT?!?! ?/?
I've worn the same watch on my wrist since my JUNIOR year of college. Unless time changes while you're wearing a Movado, I'll stick with my watch until the battery dies. ;)
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I didn't say to spend money you don't have.
I didn't say to buy things you don't need.
I didn't say spend $500 on suits when you have $30 in your child's college fund.
But I will say this: if you believe that wearing a $70 suit is what God has for you, then by all means!
But IF the Lord blesses me that I have an abundance: I will tithe, give, vow, save, invest, AND wear the best. Don't limit the Holy One of Israel!!!
;D
I will tithe, give, vow, save, invest, AND wear the best . Don't limit the Holy One of Israel!!!
;D
Who's to say that by watching how one spends their God-given financial blessings that they are limiting the Holy One of Israel?
I want my money to work for me, so I'd would invest it and not wear or spend money on things that don't have value.
Reading? Nah! It's fun to be mental!
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Oh, I'm saying you're limiting the Holy One of Israel because you seem to think that saving your money means you can't wear nice things. But the Lord CAN bless you with enough to do both. Ya gotta think big!
Reading? Nah! It's fun to be mental!
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Oh, I'm saying you're limiting the Holy One of Israel because you seem to think that saving your money means you can't wear nice things. But the Lord CAN bless you with enough to do both. Ya gotta think big!
I'm with you on ABOUT everything......till you said this. :(
It doesn't mean that you should some to church wearing $70 suits. If the Lord has blessed me with a job making a significant amount of money, should I walk in a store and get a $70 suit, or a $500 suit?
Being humble isn't wearing cheap clothes or being poor. ;)
Stop tellin' folk their comin' up short just cause they don't think like you.
That's the Word RAT THURRRRR.....
Think Big... As for me and My House...
Imma think BIG and wear Coach and Pradda and what eva else I can afford.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
IRONY: In this very statement, you're doing exactly what you accused me of. :(
Listen, I never attacked you. I simply, SIMPLY stated that I'm not going to put anyone down for wearing what they wear. You were the one having a hard time with the $70 suit.
I don't care about stuff that has no increasing value in it (i.e. suits, shoes, watches, etc). Those things don't last, don't stand up, etc etc.
I'd use my money for other things that'll last for my family for generations.
I said "DO YOU" a long time ago. YOU are still trying to make your point (i.e. attacking) even if in a joking manner. Now, don't get it twisted; I ain't upset or nothing like that, we just talkin'. But, at the end of the day, you do what you're gonna do with your cash and I'll what I'm going to do. As long as God is please with how we use our individual resources, who cares anyway, right? ;)
Before this escalates, I think we need to sing a song.
Come on everybody!
"There comes a time
When we head a certain call
When the world must come together as one
There are people dying
And it's time to lend a hand to life
The greatest gift of all
We can't go on
Pretending day by day
That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
We are all a part of
God's great big family
And the truth, you know love is all we need
[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just sjonathan and me
Send them your heart
So they'll know that someone cares
And their lives will be stronger and free
As God has shown us by turning stone to bread
So we all must lend a helping hand
[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just sjonathan and me
When you're down and out
There seems no hope at all
But if you just believe
There's no way we can fall
Well, well, well, well, let us realize
That a change will only come
When we stand together as one
[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just sjonathan and me"[/b]
P.S. Anyone got the chords to Fall on Me by Shekinah Glory????????
Who cares what you wear and how much you paid for it anyway? I don't. Just make sure it's clean and you can button it without feeling like you've been in a Tae-Bo workout.
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Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. You're too kind. I'll be here all week.
E. P. I. C thread.
This was not a thread for the baby Christian. :o
Hey NJ... just curious. Has your opinion changed on the initial post, or do you still hold the same beliefs?
:o ...Rue being "messy" again. Smh... ::)
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Ha Ha.... 70$ Suits.... You know them bright purple and red suits with the stripes or the coats that hang almost to the ankle are the loudest suits and the cheapest at the saem time. Most expensive suits. Jones New York, EMJ, Steve Harvey ( some), Joseph Abboud, Sean John ( black label), Armani, and many of those Italian names are fairly modest. You might get a few stripes in them but generally they stay in the black , Grey, Brown, Blue family. Just my observation.