Wow......
Believe it or not, both ended up coming back in to play. That is Crazy!!
This is my problem, right here. How are these kats allowed to come back and "minister" after an altercation like that. :o :o :o
Talent or no talent, they were not gonna comeback in that service!
Only my humble opinion
Believe it or not, both ended up coming back in to play. That is Crazy!!
I was wondering the same thing but that is the difference between ministering and just playing. They must be talented organ players.
cuz ill let you know right now if they were saved filled with the holy ghost that wouldnt of happened at all.......
Because saved folk never fight at all???
And I totally agree with ya'll. the rest of the program would have been acapoco and they would no longer be musicians at my church. No musician is needed that bad! We must remind ourselves this.
What trips me out is that they were saying MF this and MF that in the house of God. To me this church is a prime example of a commercial church. It's not what God wants but what the people want.
Just because one gets saved doesn't mean ALL things are new RIGHT AWAY!..even Paul said he had to die daily. It's the responsibility of the leaders, though, to correct these types of issues.u r right to b3, this is why i said..one should say iam sorry, apoligize, or repent..in other words be sorry for what actions you have done..this is for Holy Ghost filled people to. We all make mistakes,,I have been save over 20 yrs and I want tell u that I have never did things that I should have..but, being fill with the Holy Ghost,,the comforter will tell u when u r wrong and have done wrong..its up to the person to be sorry and really mean it and not let this happen again..if its just a weakness of fighting of which i had before I got saved..i would fast and pray for God to deliver me from it. As for there vocab..those are unless words {cussing} that do not partake of holiness. We should shun from profanity and babbleing with our words. This is a poor choice of words to use in the house of God or evern outside the walls of the church..the church should be in our hearts DAEILY.,, NOT just when we come into Gods presence {the church}. to fellowship.
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IF PASTORS AND WIVES,ND OTHER WIVES OR LADIES, DEACONS AND MEMBERS CAN FIGHT WHT NOT MUSICIANS. LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!! I CANNOT SAY THAT I AM SURPRISED AND IT'S A CRYING SHAME THAT SAVED FOLK CAN ACT UNSAVED AT THE DROP OF A DIME. I GUESS THAT IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF LYING DOWN ONE'S RELIGION.
I think the problem here is that most people believe just because u saved, u on the same leve with everyone else. I tell people all the time "yeah im saved, but God aint through wit me yet", which for me means that sometimes, im really going through and i know this is when im supposed to pray the most, but everyone has a breaking point.... U never know what people are going through, especially when u saved, and if god aint through with me, that means im saved, however im not fully transformed to "turn the other cheek...Let's not jump to conclusions, how many of u would turn the other cheek if u just up and got punched or slapped in church?" Imma be real, the only way i would possibly fight in God's house is if i am to my "breaking point"
Excuse me.. but, musicians, or fighting musiicans aren't nobody special when is comes to God, and the church. I don't care how annointed or talented they are. they wouldn't have been allowed to come up and play again until they apolize to the church and {forgiverness, repent, or I'm sorry}. They need to be fill with the Holy Ghost. Thats whats wrong now with some churches they let..devil in the service have there way. The unclean spirits can't get alone with the other unclean spirit and bring..a file spirits up in the church and belive it or not it rub off on other peoples. Then u wonder why there is a fighting spirits in the church..cause its people like that that bring stuff in a church and keep the mess going. Someitmes pastors are so afraid they won't make without certain people If people receive Holy Ghost u won't have this probllem. Let the musician get angry and leave...they need to hear the truth.
I agree with this 100%.. There should have been an apology to the God, Pastor, and The Church before there were aloud to touch another instrument.. Thats just my opinion
you can't be serious...I wanna see the video.
I wanna see the video. ;D
Just for the sake of accuracy, I need to note that only one of the organists said the F- word.
I called one of my contacts in EC and they said it was really bad. But a couple of things come to mind...
First - Peter cut off old dude's ear, cussed them folk out at the fire, lied about knowing Jesus - he didn't go to hell so I think the "fire and brimstone, hell and damnation concept" is a bit overplayed.
Second - Whether or not they should have been excused fired dismissed dragged and quartered is opinion - how many times have (as musicians) we sinned and NOT caught - if the truth be told, for the things people have NOT seen us do, if we were REALLY saved, we would confess them and sit our own self down. we don't have all the details and don't know what happened in the back befor ethey came out. However, I do know that if you don't stop and forgive RIGHT THEN it can fester and grow into a incurable disease that will ravage the body of Christ.
THIRD (and final) - it is sad, very sad, but is it any sadder than a Pastor and a MOM fighting over the same (male) choir director? Or any sadder than the MOM and the Choir Director getting caught in the Pastor's Study with the Pastor "bowing and worshipping" in front of BOTH of them? I think you get the point...
I believe (fervent and effectual) prayer for both musicians, Pastors, choirs and churches is in order. Before we criticize each other, recognize who we belong to and the only One who is able to save and deliver us
Now that being said, its offering time...
I called one of my contacts in EC and they said it was really bad. But a couple of things come to mind...
First - Peter cut off old dude's ear, cussed them folk out at the fire, lied about knowing Jesus - he didn't go to hell so I think the "fire and brimstone, hell and damnation concept" is a bit overplayed.
Second - Whether or not they should have been excused fired dismissed dragged and quartered is opinion - how many times have (as musicians) we sinned and NOT caught - if the truth be told, for the things people have NOT seen us do, if we were REALLY saved, we would confess them and sit our own self down. we don't have all the details and don't know what happened in the back befor ethey came out. However, I do know that if you don't stop and forgive RIGHT THEN it can fester and grow into a incurable disease that will ravage the body of Christ.
THIRD (and final) - it is sad, very sad, but is it any sadder than a Pastor and a MOM fighting over the same (male) choir director? Or any sadder than the MOM and the Choir Director getting caught in the Pastor's Study with the Pastor "bowing and worshipping" in front of BOTH of them? I think you get the point...
I believe (fervent and effectual) prayer for both musicians, Pastors, choirs and churches is in order. Before we criticize each other, recognize who we belong to and the only One who is able to save and deliver us
Now that being said, its offering time...
Man WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, AND WHAT CHURCH HAVE YOU BEEN GOING TO?!?!
Man WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, AND WHAT CHURCH HAVE YOU BEEN GOING TO?!?!
For those posters that responded "Where's the video," " I want to see the video," "LOL" and other things along those lines. Are we now taking pleasure in sin that we want to view this incident as some form of entertainment. ?/? :o Read Romans 1:32. We're taking pleasure in unrighteousness. If someone would have had a video clip of the fight, it would have been posted and been the most watched video on LGM sent through emails and everything else. The Bible claims that we shall become "lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth......"
And Yes, Peter did cut off the ear of a person and lie about know Jesus, BUT that was before he was baptized (and filled) with the HOLY GHOST on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Ghost will keep you if you want to be kept. Let's stop whitewashing sin as acceptable behaviour in God's house. And we all have sinned in some form or fashion so I'm not on any soapbox here.
It's a sad commentary and I'm sure we can all recite various ancedotes of bad behaviour that our brothers and sisters have engaged in, but how long do we believe that God will continue to wink at our foolishness and pride. There are countless examples of God not sending judgment down immediately, but giving persons an opportunity to repent. He is gracious, merciful and long-suffering, but he is also holy and righteous. We no longer have any reverence for God or the Holy Spirit--"yeah, yeah, I won't get caught or punished!!". That's why anything goes on in our churches and it does not make us bat an eyelash or we recount "Well I heard worse, let me tell you about the time......"
While I agree that there is nothing new under the sun, our lack of humility and tolerance for unrighteous behavior (even in the churchhouse) is what condemns us nowadays. We will be held accountable for how we handled the unrighteousness that surrounds us. Did we condone the behaviour, take secret pleasure in those performing such acts by laughing and joking about, or did it cause us to take an introspective look at our own lives and spur us to be more consecrated to God and more prayerful and sold out that the ENEMY no longer gets a foothold anywhere.
Let's hope that we finally wake up, but alas, there will more instances of this behaviour and worse before the LORD comes back for the church. Where will you stand on that great day! Don't be deceived. WAKE UP!!!!!!
Some things won't ever change as long as we still have these bodies of flesh & sin, even in the church-house, LOL
This is…Pitiful, Disgraceful, Deplorable, Contemptible, and Pathetic >:( >:( >:( >:(You sure did and for your hardwork and effort you get a big ol' smiley face ;D...take it home and show it off.
I passed my Vocabulary Quiz today. lol ;D ;D ;D
You sure did and for your hardwork and effort you get a big ol' smiley face ;D...take it home and show it off.
It is sad how desperate churches are getting....People now go to church to hear the music so the church feels they have to have the hottest musicians...I am the M.O.M. at my spot both of those cats would have been gone...It's sad how they compromise...Cause would we allow somebody to come in our house and fight and still stay there...Nope...but we allow that to happen in the house of God...Crazy...That's what happens when your organ player was in the club Saturday night listening to "Knuckle Up"....LOL J/K
That's what happens when your organ player was in the club Saturday night listening to "Knuckle Up"....LOL J/K
LOL!!!^
ONLY IN A BAPTIST CHURCH WILL 2 PEOPLE FIGHT AND CARRY ON AND THEN ACT LIKE NOTHING EVER HAPPEND
File this in the "Never Seen It Before Category"!
On Sunday Oct 9th, in East Chicago, IN (about 20 mins east of Chciacgo, IL), 2 organists got into a fight during the service! I could not believe what I was seeing.
It was during an afternoon program at New Ebeneezer Baptist Church in East Chicago, IN that the host organist got into a fight with the visiting choir's organist during the changing out of choirs at Offering. It turns out that the host organist at the Baptist church was the former organist of the visiting Church. Apparently he had been fired for his bad attitude.
Well, long-story-short, the 2 musicians began having words over who was going to play for the guest soloist on the program when it happened. One challeneged the other's manhood and playing ability and it was ON.
Just as she started to sing... BAP! BING! DONK!-MF this!!-MF that!-they were fighting. Both of them had to be removed from the service.
Believe it or not, both ended up coming back in to play. That is Crazy!!
Human or not, Salvation that brings about conversion means that "All things have become new". So the responses and reactions of the supposedly "old Nature" should be overcome by the "New Creature" which after God is created in righteousness and True Holiness. The new creature is not human. He is Spirit, no longer governed by the lusts and emotions of the flesh. Those boys in the Spirit would have been sat down in my church and the choir would have sang acapella if there wasn't another availeable musician in the house. In The Love of Christ and consideration of His Body. Love Dies Irie!!! :o
Because saved folk never fight at all???