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Title: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: ShaadyDaNex on October 10, 2006, 01:17:18 PM
 I can sing, but  I would sound better and more experianced, if i knew How to adlib and run properly.... Do you have any tips on "How to Use Vocal Embellishment"
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: nessalynn77 on October 10, 2006, 02:47:26 PM
First off, Welcome to the site.  We have a lot of great singers around here, so I'm sure you'll get the info you need.  Unfortunately, I'm not one of them, so I just wanted to holla, and make you feel welcome in the meantime  ;) :D
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: kbolden on October 13, 2006, 10:29:29 PM
Listen to some professionals and try to imitate them and have someone to listen to you before you perform and try it that way or sing it publicly and look at the congregations' faces HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: ShaadyDaNex on October 13, 2006, 11:31:05 PM
 1st of all, Thank you  for welcoming me. 2nd, I appreciate anyone who takes the time to reply to my comments and questions. Thirdly, i dont perform, i minister. Lol...

Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: an_etonian on October 14, 2006, 12:13:57 PM
I don't really know much (well nothing ;)) about gospel music, but you shouldn't be worried about sounding experienced - in some places, keeping it simple sounds much better.
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: MusiqB77 on October 16, 2006, 11:05:23 PM
First of all, pray consistantly for God to mold you into what HE wants you to be as a psalmist. Listen to singers you like, and ones that fit the style you want to sing. Practice, practice, practice.
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: rovelmorris on October 18, 2006, 10:00:11 PM
Hey, well I started singing at age 6. I am now 32yrs old..I sing all the parts i.e Soprano, Alto and Tenor..I am a choir director, soloist  and Praise and Worship leader..I say all of that to say that techniques in singing do not come over night it takes years of practice...you have to really have a good range in terms of how you can manipulate you voice and really feel the song and let it minister to you..when you do that then adlbbing comes very easy..especially if you are doing a lead on the choir and the song in question needs a fearless lead singer who can carry the song through to the end..Some good singers to listen to who does these stuff well are ;-

Kurt Carr Singers
Yolanda Adams
Shirley Caesar plus a lot more

However just practice not everyone has the ability to adlib it is a natural gft that comes with the anointing.   
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: LyricTenor on October 19, 2006, 07:57:18 AM
From what I've noticed about adlibbing, it's all just The Word in your own words. 
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: uniquepraise on November 13, 2006, 04:56:20 PM
BE YOURSELF!!!  When I tried to sing like others it never worked for me and became a disaster!

When I began to build upon my relationship with GOD, sing His word, and allow Him to sing and minister through me the sound and ministry under the anointing is like none other.  He's the ultimate singer so get into His presence and let Him download what He has for you into you.

Go after GOD's knowledge and become who he wants you to be in your ministering in song! ;D
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: Mysteryman on November 14, 2006, 01:09:54 AM
I can sing, but  I would sound better and more experianced, if i knew How to adlib and run properly.... Do you have any tips on "How to Use Vocal Embellishment"

If you listen to many people that do runs more so in the RnB arena they sing in their range. Usually low. If you practice doing runs in chest voice Im sure you will be able to do them higher. I figured this out a while back. I wish I would only practice. Also learn to sing the chromatic, minor and blues scales. Singing is really about breath control. When you get better control of that you will be able to do more. If you can sing those scales you will be surprised at what you can do. Look at Kim Burrell.
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: LyricTenor on November 14, 2006, 09:55:38 AM
If you listen to many people that do runs more so in the RnB arena they sing in their range. Usually low. If you practice doing runs in chest voice Im sure you will be able to do them higher. I figured this out a while back. I wish I would only practice. Also learn to sing the chromatic, minor and blues scales. Singing is really about breath control. When you get better control of that you will be able to do more. If you can sing those scales you will be surprised at what you can do. Look at Kim Burrell.

Could you dummy this down a few shades for me?  Thx.  ;)
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: Mysteryman on November 14, 2006, 12:41:22 PM
Could you dummy this down a few shades for me?  Thx.  ;)

You dont know how to play? The chromatic scale is moving up or down in half steps.
The C minor scale
C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C

The C Blues scale
C, Eb, F, Gb, G, Bb, C
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: LyricTenor on November 14, 2006, 02:41:53 PM
You dont know how to play? The chromatic scale is moving up or down in half steps.
The C minor scale
C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb, C

The C Blues scale
C, Eb, F, Gb, G, Bb, C

No, I don't.  I say it all the time.
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: ferrente on November 14, 2006, 02:56:49 PM
Welcome to LGM, ShaadyDaNex
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: ferrente on November 14, 2006, 02:58:03 PM
Welcome to LGM,  rovelmorris
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: THE WOLFMAN on November 14, 2006, 03:01:20 PM
1st of all, Thank you  for welcoming me. 2nd, I appreciate anyone who takes the time to reply to my comments and questions. Thirdly, i dont perform, i minister. Lol...



Let me preface this by saying , "I'm not tryin to get at you by no means.(welcome, BTW)"

But why do Christians have a programmed aversion to the word "Perform"? Is something WRONG with "performing"? If you audition for someone do we say, I dont perform?  I think not. If a Christian on broadway 'performs' is he wrong? Not likely. 


Getting the big head is the problem. Being boastful in yourself is a problem. actin like 'Im the man, hear my runs" is a problem. Vain glory.

But having a desire to "execute the work that you put in in order to acheive a level of exellence" i.e PERFORM...Nothing wroing with that.

You can be humble, Godly, minister, AND STILL PERFORM.

my 2 cent...
Sometime i think we're too churchy for our own good.
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: LyricTenor on November 14, 2006, 03:17:46 PM
Let me preface this by saying , "I'm not tryin to get at you by no means.(welcome, BTW)"

But why do Christians have a programmed aversion to the word "Perform"? Is something WRONG with "performing"? If you audition for someone do we say, I dont perform?  I think not. If a Christian on broadway 'performs' is he wrong? Not likely. 


Getting the big head is the problem. Being boastful in yourself is a problem. actin like 'Im the man, hear my runs" is a problem. Vain glory.

But having a desire to "execute the work that you put in in order to acheive a level of exellence" i.e PERFORM...Nothing wroing with that.

You can be humble, Godly, minister, AND STILL PERFORM.

my 2 cent...
Sometime i think we're too churchy for our own good.

Soooooooo, what'cha sayin' Curry WOLF?   ;)
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: THE WOLFMAN on November 14, 2006, 08:47:54 PM
IM SAYIN......

Dont be afraid to perform. that's what us musicians do.

be humble AND perform
be anointed AND perform
minister AND perform
give God glory AND perform
be a willing empty vessel AND perform
walk in excellence AND perform
be reverent AND perform


dont wanna hijack the thread.....please....back to the vocal embellishments.

(now where's my curry goat....) ?/? ?/?
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: Mysteryman on November 14, 2006, 10:40:48 PM
Well Jesus performed miracles. :D
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: Scales27 on November 22, 2006, 10:44:50 PM
   Listen to an instrumental that just... speaks to you. Make sure no one says any words, and that you've never heard it before. This is crucial so you stick to any specific melody. Then sing to it without words for a minute, then say whatever words come to you for a minute. Then switch back to singing without words, but try to sing some runs you've heard on the piano (basically runs that you do on the piano if you play). Then try to do all three. Do that and post back on here and let me know what happens. I have some other ways, but I don't want you to try too many at one time and get discombobulated.
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: dfwkeys on November 24, 2006, 08:23:17 AM
www.singingsuccess.com   I purchased this program that does step by step vocals all on 12 cd's and there's a 2nd program called mastering vibrato.  The first time i ever song was last sunday and i'm 26 years old.  I can testify that if you can't sing at all, with determination and persistance you can do it.  i couldn't hold a tune all my life, this program teaches you runs, licks, and the most common riffs that are used.  the cost is $199 for the 12 cd's, but you can also pay in installments as low as $26 per month.  it's well worth the investment if your seriousy about singing.  I also found that this works better then a vocal instructor that someone would usually pay $50 or per hour for.  I'm my lessons i'm working on my licks and riffs.  It's kind of hard to explain by typing, but i'm just giving a resource to go to. 
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: Soul_Flower on November 26, 2006, 07:23:22 PM
www.singingsuccess.com   I purchased this program that does step by step vocals all on 12 cd's and there's a 2nd program called mastering vibrato.  The first time i ever song was last sunday and i'm 26 years old.  I can testify that if you can't sing at all, with determination and persistance you can do it.  i couldn't hold a tune all my life, this program teaches you runs, licks, and the most common riffs that are used.  the cost is $199 for the 12 cd's, but you can also pay in installments as low as $26 per month.  it's well worth the investment if your seriousy about singing.  I also found that this works better then a vocal instructor that someone would usually pay $50 or per hour for.  I'm my lessons i'm working on my licks and riffs.  It's kind of hard to explain by typing, but i'm just giving a resource to go to. 

Well, I am not new to singing but that term "lick" is new to me.  I know what a riff is  (I think  :-\), runs, but what is a "lick".  Just curious to know.  If I'm going to be talking on LGM, I want to be able to understand folks.  :D  So, skool me a bit.  Thanks In Advance.

Smooches!!  :-*
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: LyricTenor on November 27, 2006, 08:15:50 AM
Well, I am not new to singing but that term "lick" is new to me.  I know what a riff is  (I think  :-\), runs, but what is a "lick".  Just curious to know.  If I'm going to be talking on LGM, I want to be able to understand folks.  :D  So, skool me a bit.  Thanks In Advance.

Smooches!!  :-*


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_%28music%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_%28music%29)

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: sjonathan02 on November 27, 2006, 09:10:15 AM
www.singingsuccess.com   I purchased this program that does step by step vocals all on 12 cd's and there's a 2nd program called mastering vibrato.  The first time i ever song was last sunday and i'm 26 years old.  I can testify that if you can't sing at all, with determination and persistance you can do it.  i couldn't hold a tune all my life, this program teaches you runs, licks, and the most common riffs that are used.  the cost is $199 for the 12 cd's, but you can also pay in installments as low as $26 per month.  it's well worth the investment if your seriousy about singing.  I also found that this works better then a vocal instructor that someone would usually pay $50 or per hour for.  I'm my lessons i'm working on my licks and riffs.  It's kind of hard to explain by typing, but i'm just giving a resource to go to. 


This is GREAT to read because I've been wanting to try this program, but I needed to hear from someone who had done it (because $200 bones is $200 bones, feel me?)


Thanks, I think this might be a Christmas present to myself.  :D
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: Soul_Flower on November 30, 2006, 09:54:01 PM
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_%28music%29[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_%28music%29[/url])

Hope this helps.


Thank you Lyric for the link.  Unfortunately though, it didn't work.  I clicked on it and it was just a white picture.  But, I thank you for trying.  You can tell me what it means.  I know you know what it is.  ;)
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: diverse379 on December 08, 2006, 06:14:19 PM
I can sing, but  I would sound better and more experianced, if i knew How to adlib and run properly.... Do you have any tips on "How to Use Vocal Embellishment"

check out my post on riding the vowels
actually its called three minute vocal lesson
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: LyricTenor on December 09, 2006, 01:35:55 AM
Thank you Lyric for the link.  Unfortunately though, it didn't work.  I clicked on it and it was just a white picture.  But, I thank you for trying.  You can tell me what it means.  I know you know what it is.  ;)

Lick (music)

In popular music, a lick is a "rock term [meaning]...something like 'a stock pattern or phrase'" (Middleton 1990, p.137); a short phrase, or series of notes, often improvised by a musician. It is most often associated with jazz or rock music, and with stringed instruments, especially the guitar, banjo, slightly less so with the piano.

In a jazz band, a lick may be performed by a soloist at a rehearsed or unrehearsed point in a song, with the soloist continuing after all other musicians stop playing; see also break and solo. It can be a testament to the virtuosity of the musician to create a spontaneous, original short phrase which fits well with a standard composition.

Licks in rock and jazz are often used through a formula, and variations technique, such as Jimi Hendrix's "Gypsy Eyes", which, according to Richard Middleton (ibid, p.137), "is put together from variants of five stock ideas...familiar from other recordings in the same style...The combination and variations of these formulae are many and highly imaginative. But the basic formulae are so simple that the recording could well have been worked out 'in performance.'"

Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: s580rc on December 10, 2006, 07:35:14 PM
Hey Soul Flower, I got your answer!
In musical terms, a 'lick' is a series of notes, like a very short melody. The formal term for this is 'motif'. It is sometimes played repeatedly, but doesn't have to be. The term 'lick', however, is usually used by guitar or bass players to denote a particular pattern used in a song, unique to their instrument. So there are saxaphone licks, vocal licks etc.

I hope this explanation helps!
Peace
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: sjonathan02 on December 13, 2006, 07:11:08 AM
www.singingsuccess.com   I purchased this program that does step by step vocals all on 12 cd's and there's a 2nd program called mastering vibrato.  The first time i ever song was last sunday and i'm 26 years old.  I can testify that if you can't sing at all, with determination and persistance you can do it.  i couldn't hold a tune all my life, this program teaches you runs, licks, and the most common riffs that are used.  the cost is $199 for the 12 cd's, but you can also pay in installments as low as $26 per month.  it's well worth the investment if your seriousy about singing.  I also found that this works better then a vocal instructor that someone would usually pay $50 or per hour for.  I'm my lessons i'm working on my licks and riffs.  It's kind of hard to explain by typing, but i'm just giving a resource to go to. 


How has this been working out for you?
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: ShaadyDaNex on April 12, 2007, 01:25:22 AM
I'm so sorry, I thought this was gone be a topic that people just browsed by. I didnt think it would be this many replies, so I haven't vitited this forum since my last comment.
So let me update Yall...
  Of course I prayed, and still pray that god would increase my musical and vocal abilllity. The lord has blessed me with more oppurtunities to practice my skills; i/e singing on praise teams and in numerous choirs in the bay area, and directing my school's gospel and church's young adult choirs that i started. As I grew in the ministry, I realized that it was a confidence thing. I was skurred to let the lord use me. I didnt know and trust that he would have my back, when i do things for him. God has sparkling in my life in the last couple of months, more than just vocaly. So seeing Youre words now is very encouraging.
 Thank you, and keep it comin cuz its helpin=g and is appreciated.
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: Holy Roller on April 12, 2007, 09:30:08 PM
your vocal chords are basically a "Memory Muscle".  you just have to do runs over and over and over again until you voice literally Memorizes them to a perfection.

practice vocal scales. work them till they are flawless. work on them acapello and tape yourself  singing !!
practice hymns that work you low, Mid and upper range. here are a few :

The High PLaces
amazing grace
battle hymn of republic
eye is on the Sparrow
God Leads us along
star spangled Banner

Here are some scales that work on jumping 3rds and fifths. as you perfect it, speed it up. do them legato and staccato

C -E -G- E - G - C ( keep modulating half steps )

C-E-G - C - G - E - C ( keep modulating half steps)


Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: MrSparrow on April 13, 2007, 10:35:58 AM
The word says that Iron sharpens Iron...

You need to surround yourself with singers that are above and at your abilities. Question them, challenge them, work with them, share with them and you'll all grow together...

The only thing that I can advise you about runs is make sure you are more concerned with the effectiveness of the run instead of the "WOW effect". Some people LOVE Kim Burrell because she can run for days... other people HATE Kim Burrell b/c she can run for days. Tonex is another person who's ability to run can take you UNDER or take you OUT.

MrSparrow
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: diverse379 on April 13, 2007, 12:18:40 PM
The word says that Iron sharpens Iron...

You need to surround yourself with singers that are above and at your abilities. Question them, challenge them, work with them, share with them and you'll all grow together...

The only thing that I can advise you about runs is make sure you are more concerned with the effectiveness of the run instead of the "WOW effect". Some people LOVE Kim Burrell because she can run for days... other people HATE Kim Burrell b/c she can run for days. Tonex is another person who's ability to run can take you UNDER or take you OUT.

MrSparrow

I had a lady say that she likes to crawl inside a song and live in it when she sings

interesting analogy

think on that one a minute young grass hopper
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: ShaadyDaNex on July 18, 2007, 02:26:17 AM
I don't get it...?...
Title: Re: Vocal Embellishment and Ablibbing
Post by: todd pickell on July 30, 2007, 11:32:57 AM
a lick is:
In popular music genres such as rock music, a lick is a "a stock pattern or phrase" (Middleton 1990, p.137) consisting of a short phrase, or series of notes that is used in solos and melodic lines. The term is most often used by rock musicians who play the guitar. Licks in rock and jazz are often used through a formula, and variations technique in which variants of simple, stock ideas are blended and developed during the solo.

In a jazz band, a lick may be performed during an improvised solo, either during an accompanied solo chorus or during an unaccompanied solo break. Jazz licks are usually original short phrases which can be altered so that they can be used over a song's changing harmonic progressions.

[edit] Similar concepts

A lick is different from the related concept of a riff in that riffs can also include repeated chord progressions. Licks are usually associated with single-note melodic lines rather than chord progressions. However, like riffs, licks can be used as the basis of an entire song. Single-line riffs or licks used as the basis of classical music pieces are called ostinatos. Contemporary jazz writers" also use riff- or lick-like ostinatos in modal music and Latin jazz.

A lick can be a hook, if the lick meets the definition of a hook: "a musical idea, a passage or phrase, that is believed to be appealing and make the song stand out", and "catch the ear of the listener" (Covach 2005, p.71)

HOPE THAT HELPS