LearnGospelMusic.com Community
Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: Drum-Docta on October 14, 2006, 09:10:26 PM
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCyxdERer2I&NR
I havent been on the site in months so I dont know how old or new this video is. I dont know if this has been posted.
-
Thanks for the Clip, So that was Gerald Heyward ,Aaron Spears , Erik Tribbett and Brian Fraiser- Moore.
-
:o :o Thanx man.......... yoo why is arron so nasty!!!!!!!
-
I don't why, but 4 some reason, i didn't really care for this. :-\ Not to say I don't appreciate the post...great find by the way, thanks a lot. But just the drumming, it really didn't do too much for me. It surprises me because I thought Aaron, Gerald, Erik, and Brian...WOW!!!! But this just didn't get me going like I thought it would...
-
It was boring. More of the same stuff that's posted on this board, just the guys who participated are well-known...
-
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
I guess the older I get, the more I start losing interest in clips like these.
-
I don't why, but 4 some reason, i didn't really care for this. :-\ Not to say I don't appreciate the post...great find by the way, thanks a lot. But just the drumming, it really didn't do too much for me. It surprises me because I thought Aaron, Gerald, Erik, and Brian...WOW!!!! But this just didn't get me going like I thought it would...
You know I have to agree! Ive seen lesser or no name cats shredding on here that impressed me more, weird eh!? What does that say!
-
i am gonnna have to co-sign with everyone, this clip was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! and i am good friends with eric and brizz,but hey, it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
-
i'm gonna have to agree...i expected more
-
I don't why, but 4 some reason, i didn't really care for this. :-\ Not to say I don't appreciate the post...great find by the way, thanks a lot. But just the drumming, it really didn't do too much for me. It surprises me because I thought Aaron, Gerald, Erik, and Brian...WOW!!!! But this just didn't get me going like I thought it would...
Just a fallow up. In other situatinons I like these guys. Shed clips just don't move me much anymore. I'm left with that :-\ feeling. Not that I don't appreciate them because they are entertaining (some of them are).
I do have a question. Does anyone know of anything other than the Jill Scott album that has Erik Tribbett on it?
-
It's clips like this that make me question people's musical aptitude when they say things like Chris Coleman is better than Dennis Chambers or even on his level as I saw in a clip awhile ago. It's simply irresponsible musically to make such comparisons. This clip also shows their limitations rather than their better sides. Although I may never reach their level of playing, there is a huge gap between these guys and the Dave Weckl's, Dennis Chambers, Will Kennedy's, Vinnie Coulita's, Thomas Lang's, etc. of the world.
-
that was wak, i have a 13 yr old friend that could play those "licks"
-
Are you guys serious? Wow, I loved the clip. It was nice to see some of the monsters of the drumming world get together and do their thang...
-
are ya'll serious? Gerald and Aaron were killinon that man!
wow.
-
This clip also shows their limitations rather than their better sides.
You hit the nail on the head.
As for PearlDrummer1, and drumzalicious -- I can understand where you two are coming from. Back when I was 20, I would've felt the exact same way. However, now, this is uninteresting noise.
After hearing this stuff for so long, you kind of long for something that has depth. None of the music I listen to has any of this kind of stuff in it.
-
I do have a question. Does anyone know of anything other than the Jill Scott album that has Erik Tribbett on it?
[/quote] He's is on the Following CD's : Antoinique,Vivian Green,Russell Delegation & Musiq Soulchild
Even Though it was a AWESOME display of CHOPS, Its the same LICKS that everyone else plays,Nothing different Jus' Mo FIERCE
-
I do have a question. Does anyone know of anything other than the Jill Scott album that has Erik Tribbett on it?
He's is on the Following CD's : Antoinique,Vivian Green,Russell Delegation & Musiq Soulchild
Even Though it was a AWESOME display of CHOPS, Its the same LICKS that everyone else plays,Nothing different Jus' Mo FIERCE
Good lookin homie.
-
I must admit Im in the same boat as those guys when it comes to shred, and some of you kids can kill us at shredin BUT when it comes to getting the gigs we get called first why! All that shredin stuff means nothing to an artist! A lot of you are fast but not seasoned and that comes with time and practise! I see kids who can out shred Gerald but when you hear them in a groove or backing an artist they go limp and sound like young tallent!
-
Yo is it really that serious? These dudes are pros. They are just doing that for fun. Its not like they are doin it all the ime, they too busy to have the time to do it and why be involved in something when you cant EVER have fun doin it? Besides, when it comes down to it we know that they can bring more than chops to the table. They all got sick pockets when they need to have them
-
The clip was ok. I would have liked to hear each of them do what they did to a loop individually. All i can get from that is a bunch of cymbals, tom, and foot work, just a bunch of noise
-
Yo is it really that serious? These dudes are pros. They are just doing that for fun. Its not like they are doin it all the ime, they too busy to have the time to do it and why be involved in something when you cant EVER have fun doin it? Besides, when it comes down to it we know that they can bring more than chops to the table. They all got sick pockets when they need to have them
Nobody is saying they can't play .... we're just saying that we don't like these type's of clips, anymore. No matter WHOSE playing...
-
Personally im bored of the "thomas lang,dave weckl type of technical clips, that all seem to be the same to me (some indepandance ideas or grooves you mostly won't use in 8 out of 10 gospel tunes)" lol, also this shed probably was from 5- ten years ago LOL so this clip would've have been recorded when yall was feeling this kinda stuff LOL. Im sure if these cats was too do it today it would look alot different, I guess we'll get a glimpse when we see the modern drummer 07!!
-
Personally im bored of the "thomas lang,dave weckl type of technical clips, that all seem to be the same to me (some indepandance ideas or grooves you mostly won't use in 8 out of 10 gospel tunes).....
Are you kidding? :-\
-
Really for me it's not so much shed clips in general that I don't like...I just really didn't care for this one. Don't know why, but it was kinda wack!
-
Nobody is saying they can't play .... we're just saying that we don't like these type's of clips, anymore. No matter WHOSE playing...
Exactly...
-
Personally im bored of the "thomas lang,dave weckl type of technical clips, that all seem to be the same to me (some indepandance ideas or grooves you mostly won't use in 8 out of 10 gospel tunes)" lol, also this shed probably was from 5- ten years ago LOL so this clip would've have been recorded when yall was feeling this kinda stuff LOL. Im sure if these cats was too do it today it would look alot different, I guess we'll get a glimpse when we see the modern drummer 07!!
Okay, I see a lot of teenagers who have licks like these guys...
However, how many teenagers do you see with Independence like Thomas Lang & Dave Weckl?
Are you tired of the clips, or are you just tired from the idea of how much time & effort it would take for you to aquire that level of independence, as opposed to these repititive clips of trading licks?
See, to get to Thomas Lang's level, that takes great great discipline & dedication to the craft. These licks you see right there? With the right teacher, I bet you could learn every last thing you saw in a year, at the most...
-
Okay, I see a lot of teenagers who have licks like these guys...
However, how many teenagers do you see with Independence like Thomas Lang & Dave Weckl?
Are you tired of the clips, or are you just tired from the idea of how much time & effort it would take for you to aquire that level of independence, as opposed to these repititive clips of trading licks?
See, to get to Thomas Lang's level, that takes great great discipline & dedication to the craft. These licks you see right there? With the right teacher, I bet you could learn every last thing you saw in a year, at the most...
man regardless of how common a certain style of licks are i can still appreciate the beastness in that video just as i can appreciate it in other drummers videos. i guess i can see how you can be tired of it but some of the stuff gerald was doing especially how he would build off of what aaron had ended with . .. . .. . come on that to me was sick. but to each his own.
-
man regardless of how common a certain style of licks are i can still appreciate the beastness in that video just as i can appreciate it in other drummers videos. i guess i can see how you can be tired of it but some of the stuff gerald was doing especially how he would build off of what aaron had ended with . .. . .. . come on that to me was sick. but to each his own.
I can't speak for you, obviously. It's definitely a matter of perspective.
-
These licks you see right there? With the right teacher, I bet you could learn every last thing you saw in a year, at the most...
Div, I definetly agree with you there. Last October, I heard Aaron Spears for the first time...my first real introduction to popular the "urban" drumming style. By January I had gotten to a point where i could break down every lick I heard by ear. This is without teaching mind you, just listening and a bit of practice. Really for the most part all the licks are eerily similar...so once you figure out one...the rest is cake. So I can agree...licks are easy to learn...but to get to the Lang, Donati kind of level of near immortality, takes more than just talent and a good ear. Im 18, but I've already figured that out. However, I understand those that appreciate this clip because Gerald and Aaron are main guys when it comes to this urban sound...its what most drummers on this site can identify with...understandable...however, for what it was, that clip STILL did nothing for me. I think if it were two average joes doing the same licks...it wouldn't have had quite the impact. guess thats what major R&b and hip-hop gigs will get you... 8)
-
nice clip!
-
I must admit Im in the same boat as those guys when it comes to shred, and some of you kids can kill us at shredin BUT when it comes to getting the gigs we get called first why! All that shredin stuff means nothing to an artist! A lot of you are fast but not seasoned and that comes with time and practise! I see kids who can out shred Gerald but when you hear them in a groove or backing an artist they go limp and sound like young tallent!
Really for me it's not so much shed clips in general that I don't like...I just really didn't care for this one. Don't know why, but it was kinda wack!
These two comments most acurately show how I feel about this topic. Its not that I'm 100% diametrically opposed to the shred clips. Some of them are pretty cool... They just don't move me as much as much as a clip of ONE drummer with a band, or just taking a flat-out solo. The reason being for me is that there is not much music (if any) in a drum shred.
I agree with DAHKNESS for the obvious reasons. NO, not because he outweighs me by maybe 100 lbs, but because he makes perfect sense. These cats get gigs because they can play pocket. They're hot on the scene because they have groove. I see so many drummers that have chops fa DAYS but the groove is just not there. Think about it...
-
so um.....how about those bucs????
-
I watched 30 seconds of this clip and turned it off. So cookie cutter and boring...
-
yeah cuz i was bout to say its not like they was going at it full force tryna impress people it looked like they was just clownin around on the drums yall dotn ever do that? just feel like going crazy cuz it takes alot of dicipline to play drums when u know all them chops in a musical setting sheds are agreat way to just let it ALL out lol if that makes sense
-
I was going to come on here and, without reading any of the other posts, echo what the majority is saying. I, too, turned this off at around thirty seconds. Each of these drummers are inspirations to me, especially Brizz, but this type of setting isn't as salivating as it once was. I'm not taking anything from the drummers, they're awesome. Dennis Chambers could've been playing in this same setting with those same chops and I would've hit that "special button" still. To me, it's like pizza. The majority of everybody I know enjoys pizza, but eat pizza for every meal everyday for a month and you're not going to want to look at the stuff for a very long time. Just my opinion.
-
:o :o Thanx man.......... yoo why is arron so nasty!!!!!!!
THIS LITTLE SHED BRING MY MAN GERALD DOWN A LEVEL, JUST ON THIS CLIP. IF HE REALLY WANTED TO GET OFF HE CAN, I'VE HEARD. LIKE EVERYBODY SAID {NICE FIND}
:o
-
yeah cuz i was bout to say its not like they was going at it full force tryna impress people it looked like they was just clownin around on the drums yall dotn ever do that? just feel like going crazy cuz it takes alot of dicipline to play drums when u know all them chops in a musical setting sheds are agreat way to just let it ALL out lol if that makes sense
It could be said that Brian and Eric weren't going at it full force; however, Gerald, and definitely Aaron ... looked like they were breaking a serious sweat.
Lastly, it only take's a lot of discipline to not put your bag of tricks on display, when you're still an immature musician who needs to be the center of attention.
-
It could be said that Brian and Eric weren't going at it full force; however, Gerald, and definitely Aaron ... looked like they were breaking a serious sweat.
Lastly, it only take's a lot of discipline to not put your bag of tricks on display, when you're still an immature musician who needs to be the center of attention.
have you watched the video of gerald getting interviewed at the Modern Drummer Festival.?
-
have you watched the video of gerald getting interviewed at the Modern Drummer Festival.?
Yeah. Why?
-
It's clips like this that make me question people's musical aptitude when they say things like Chris Coleman is better than Dennis Chambers or even on his level as I saw in a clip awhile ago. It's simply irresponsible musically to make such comparisons. This clip also shows their limitations rather than their better sides. Although I may never reach their level of playing, there is a huge gap between these guys and the Dave Weckl's, Dennis Chambers, Will Kennedy's, Vinnie Coulita's, Thomas Lang's, etc. of the world.
Chris Coleman is so beyond the folks in this clip in skill set and knowledge base. I don't think that he should be mentioned in this conversation. Chrics has proven himself. Drum-Off National Champ. Graduating with Honors from The Drum Collectivce in New York. Going on to study bass and instruct drums at the Atlanta Institute of Music. Chris is a skilled musician with the wisdom and knowledege to apply it and his future places him in the path to greatetness as those Greats you mentioned. Totally different class than this clip.
(Nothing against the guys in this clip at all.)
We have to be careful that we don't let our lack of knowledge let us get so wowed that we set ourselves up for diisappointment. A good as they are at what they do as of yet these guys have not made any significant contributions to the craft of drumset playing. Gerald and Aaron have helpled bring gospel music to the forefront of the drumming world with thier performance at MD Fest 2006. Aaron getting this years Best Up and Comer Award is tremendous for the urban market. His fill at the Usher/James Brown performance made people stand up and take notice... However, these things didn't really affect drumset playing. So we have to be more conscious of putting folks on pedastals way before their time and stealing their licks without understanding. We end up showing a lack of appreciation....
Seems like preconceived expectations got the best of some of you.
-
Chris Coleman is so beyond the folks in this clip in skill set and knowledge base. I don't think that he should be mentioned in this conversation. Chrics has proven himself. Drum-Off National Champ. Graduating with Honors from The Drum Collectivce in New York. Going on to study bass and instruct drums at the Atlanta Institute of Music. Chris is a skilled musician with the wisdom and knowledege to apply it and his future places him in the path to greatetness as those Greats you mentioned. Totally different class than this clip.
Agreed!
-
Chris Coleman is so beyond the folks in this clip in skill set and knowledge base. I don't think that he should be mentioned in this conversation. Chrics has proven himself. Drum-Off National Champ. Graduating with Honors from The Drum Collectivce in New York. Going on to study bass and instruct drums at the Atlanta Institute of Music. Chris is a skilled musician with the wisdom and knowledege to apply it and his future places him in the path to greatetness as those Greats you mentioned. Totally different class than this clip.
(Nothing against the guys in this clip at all.)
We have to be careful that we don't let our lack of knowledge let us get so wowed that we set ourselves up for diisappointment. A good as they are at what they do as of yet these guys have not made any significant contributions to the craft of drumset playing. Gerald and Aaron have helpled bring gospel music to the forefront of the drumming world with thier performance at MD Fest 2006. Aaron getting this years Best Up and Comer Award is tremendous for the urban market. His fill at the Usher/James Brown performance made people stand up and take notice... However, these things didn't really affect drumset playing. So we have to be more conscious of putting folks on pedastals way before their time and stealing their licks without understanding. We end up showing a lack of appreciation....
Seems like preconceived expectations got the best of some of you.
Agreed!
Diddo
-
Yeah. Why?
you said something that he talked about. he mentioned where he could have gone on stage and played every lick he knew at the modern drummer festival but it wouldnt have made people bob thier heads
-
there all amazing drummers so you can only expect a great shed
-
yeah cuz i was bout to say its not like they was going at it full force tryna impress people it looked like they was just clownin around on the drums yall dotn ever do that? just feel like going crazy cuz it takes alot of dicipline to play drums when u know all them chops in a musical setting sheds are agreat way to just let it ALL out lol if that makes sense
Yo Gerald and Aaron were tryin!
-
you said something that he talked about. he mentioned where he could have gone on stage and played every lick he knew at the modern drummer festival but it wouldnt have made people bob thier heads
Yo Gerald just said that cause he knows he couldnt keep up with the other guys! I love and respect Gerald but his skill was very limited and its really starting to show now!
-
Yo Gerald just said that cause he knows he couldnt keep up with the other guys! I love and respect Gerald but his skill was very limited and its really starting to show now!
WHAT? in that video he was slayin all them dudes. i dont know about the MD fest but i am sure he wasn't shut out.
-
WHAT? in that video he was slayin all them dudes. i dont know about the MD fest but i am sure he wasn't shut out.
Dude, I'm going to be honest. I was a Gerald fan way back in the early 90's; I haven't heard much growth in Gerald's playing since, then. I stopped feeling him back in '98 for that same reason, and it seemed nothing has changed.
-
Dude, I'm going to be honest. I was a Gerald fan way back in the early 90's; I haven't heard much growth in Gerald's playing since, then. I stopped feeling him back in '98 for that same reason, and it seemed nothing has changed.
to each his own then. because i know gerald does alot of the same fills in his live playing with people but on that video he was rippin. IMO.
-
to each his own then. because i know gerald does alot of the same fills in his live playing with people but on that video he was rippin. IMO.
Nah man.
-
I still stick to my statement that im bored and tired especially of thomas lang maybe not weckl, but lang is strictly about independance but his grooves are stiff and boring. For a real example of independance drumming go and get the modern drummer video with Horacio El Negro, HE IS THE TRUTH when it comes to independance grooving.
-
...did you say, "El Negro". ;D Now we're talking sir. He is a great inspiration to me and so is his boy Robby Ameen. No one on this board knows a thing about Robby though. The guy is a true beast. It's cool though, he's working and getting paid.
-
That's what im talking about.....If were gonna talk independance and technique it's still gotta groove, and EL Negro is Laying it down. Alot of times Thomas just sounds too stiff for me!!!!! Alot of church musicians and singers get gigs just based on there ability to groove, yet alot of so called "schooled" musicians end up sheding in there basement for life LOL. Why? cause the groove is more important. Doesn't matter what technique you use once you get the job done and the music grooves and that goes for any Genre, rock jazz, hiphop, gospel etc. Put Gerald Aaron Brian Eric and them in thomas's gigs and they'd swim, Put Thomas lang in a church situationa and im at least a little sure he'd sink lol. Technique can be taught but groove is in the soul!!!
-
Technique can be taught but groove is in the soul!!!
i have to agree a little bit
to be honest i do get amazed by a lot of rock drummers and stuff but most of them are boring to me b/c of the same reason..... and to me they start sounding the same just like in the r&b/urban genres.... even in thier grooves and how they play em'......and thier solo chops get machine-like and stiff too (to me)
i like benny greb- while we're talking about people with technique independence AND groove... that dude just does something to me- i really really like his playing
-
i like benny greb- while we're talking about people with technique independence AND groove... that dude just does something to me- i really really like his playing
-
i like benny greb- while we're talking about people with technique independence AND groove... that dude just does something to me- i really really like his playing
diddo, diddo, diddo, diddo!!!! This dude is the sleeper from that part of the world. I actually feel him a little more than Lang...not taking anything from Lang.
-
I appreciate the post. I had never seen this clip and I'd never seen Gerald in a shed.
It's kinda hard to appreciate the intricacies of what they were playing because of the quality and the volume, but I'm still impressed by the quicknees of these cats.
-
diddo, diddo, diddo, diddo!!!! This dude is the sleeper from that part of the world. I actually feel him a little more than Lang...not taking anything from Lang.
HE IS A DUDE YOU CAN LISTEN TO LEARN FROM AND ENJOY WITH SOME OTHERS - FOR ME - IT IS STRICTLY THE FIRST (NOT THAT I DON'T ENJOY LEARNING- I THINK YA'LL KNOW WHAT I MEAN)
-
HE IS A DUDE YOU CAN LISTEN TO LEARN FROM AND ENJOY WITH SOME OTHERS - FOR ME - IT IS STRICTLY THE FIRST (NOT THAT I DON'T ENJOY LEARNING- I THINK YA'LL KNOW WHAT I MEAN)
I hear you FREDDY!