Is there anyone playing at thier home church and not getting paid? I'm not and I'm happy. I'm trying to help build my dad's ministry but I've recieved a lot of criticism from people I thought were genuine. What's gospel music come to?
IF U ARE A HIRED MUSICIAN THE BIBLE STATS THAT I MAN IS WORTHY OF HIS HIRE.
Was this scripture refering to musicians or something else?
If you are in a financial position to give of your self for free then more power to you. I have been ministering in music for over twenty years and have always received a salary even at my home church. Every church should want to pay there musician. I don’t think I would play for free anywhere because it is my belief that people, not the Lord will use you. I don’t want to be used. I don’t care if it is only $50.00 per week. The y should want to pay you for your talents. If you have a family that has needs, I don’t think it would be wise for you to take from your family and give it to others. They should pay you nothing less than every other week.Thanks and for your input karlisa and welcome!
In one's home church, one can certainly donate one's talents and time towards the ministry and that is admirable. I play for a church, however, that is not my home church. To me, a different scenario. If you expect a person who is not a member of your congregation to come and accept a position as an organist or MOM, you are expecting them to be there for rehearsals, at all your services, when the choir goes out on Sundays and during the week....basically, unless their home church has services that are not at the same time as your own, you are expecting them to devote their entire "church time" to aiding in your music ministry. Why would I not be paid?I argee and we as musicians should be careful because people would try to pimp our gift
"A workman is worthy of his hire" refers to preachers, musicians, etc....as in the Levites of the OT who were devoted to ministry within the church.
It is often said that musicians go for the highest dollar. Since I have accepted a position outside of my home church as an organist, I have seen a different light and "the other side". There are those who (on the other end) try to get out of paying musicians what they are worth. Case in point: Upon accepting a position as an organist, I voluntarily gave the church back $100 per week. It is 3 years later, and after two or three raises I have still not been raised back to the original salary. When I ask for a raise, I am usually promised one thing....and then an excuse is given as to why the amount agreed upon wasn't met (after the fact).
Bottom line...there are 2 sides to this equation. If you are playing at a church ESPECIALLY that is NOT your home church, you deserve to be paid for your time, gas, etc....
I argee and we as musicians should be careful because people would try to pimp our giftThat is a very good thought provoking statement. Being "pimped". That makes me wonder. Not about my home church, but about knowing who's who. Pimp or not?
Not about my home church, but about knowing who's who. Pimp or not?
Welcome to LGM henrythrower! If you don't mind me asking, where were you raised that you never heard of musicians being paid? You sound alot like me exept I knew musicians got paid. I just new there was no way in there world where I belonged that I was going to ever get paid. That's just the way it was there.
I started out at my church not getting paid and it was fine. To tell you the truth, I didn't know that there were any musicians that got paid. Then they started paying me. No lies, I like the money, but I would still do it for free.
When I go to other churches that do not have a musician, I jump on the piano or organ without a thought to get paid or not. It is something that I love to do and it is my worship. Sometimes they pay, sometimes they do not and I never ask.
That being said, I think that that is the proper attitude to always have. However, if the musician is so good and so in demand that he has to make a choice to do his/her music or hold down a job, I think that the churches calling him/her should pay them.
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I was playing for a church for nothing and the pastor decided that he wanted to give a small love token for me playing. Then when I moved back home, my dad decided he wanted to give me a salary for playing. He believes that the lead musician should be the second highest paid person in the church, behind the preacher. I mean if you really think about it, the organ player is the person who has to be there at the beginning of the service, has to be available throughout the entire service, is expected to be at every rehearsal, every service, and anything else needing music. If you're the only person in the church who plays the organ, who else is going to take your place when you're not there? There are multiple directors, usually more than one preacher, the choir sings only two to four songs, sometimes more than one drummer. Is there anyone else in the church who is expected to participate from beginning to end of the service? I know we hope everyone would participate but there is only one person who is EXPECTED to participate.HelloBiznizman, I am a bassist and the churches I play for have the same expectations of me.
I wouldn't say that being paid be a requesite for your playing in the service, but I would say if it's offered, don't turn it down.
You gotta draw the line somewhere, cuz churches will use and abuse you.
YES....I'm thinking about asking for a raise at the church I mainly play at, because lateley we've been doing 3 or 4 services per week. Plus, we have two HUGE concerts this summer.. A mid-summer concert at the church and we're doing the Southern Baptist Convention's Kingdom J.A.M at Kings Dominion in July. So, after gas, choir rehearsals, band rehearsals, learning plus scoring music for the band, equipment and performance clothes...I'm usually broke, because I'm only paid for Sunday service. On to Human Resources for me!!!That is crazy!!! You'd betta fix that!!!
God Bless!!!
IMO, there should at least be an attempt to bless the MOM simply because it's in line with the Word of God - I Tim. 6:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 18For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. Even though MOM's are not all elders, I think they fall in this category as laborers and ministers through music.
Playing for the lord is the best thing way to look at this topic. I played for my home church for about 2 years and was not paid. I never brought it up but it went thru my mind alot. I talk to alot of musicians and they pretty much said welcome to the world of musicianship. We'll, one day we had a afternoon program at a nieghboring church and I was asked do I get paid for playing? Next thing I know I was playing and getting paid for it. I guess to make a long story short, if your playing for money and only money you might be in the wrong business,because if its all about the lord the reward will come. I promise you that ;)
First off playing and intrument is a talent but your girt from god is ministering through your gift thats what people don't understand. Im a paid musician and honestly if i played for free i wouldn't be as commited for the simple fact there is nothing you gain from it and plus being a musician in and out of church is a job because of all the time throughout the week you put in to it, i know many people are probably thinking i just go for the money and i dont. If i dont get paid sometimes i dont play cuz people WILLtake advantage of you and u can still worship god without music. For example most churches hire musicians to enhance the service not really to bring people to god through music and if the musician enhances the pastor and the church is satisfied, so what does the musician get out of it if he/she isn't paid the answer is not the filling of the holy spirit and the word cuz everybody gets that and everybody can get it without a organist in the church but the answer in money. Many unpaid musicians and church members don't understand that (no disrespect lol) but what im saying is people flip the script to make it wrong for musicians to get paid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yep.
Is there anyone playing at thier home church and not getting paid? I'm not and I'm happy. I'm trying to help build my dad's ministry but I've recieved a lot of criticism from people I thought were genuine. What's gospel music come to?I'm faithfully dedicated to God, my leaders, my church and my ministry I don't see the point in being paid because we (musicians) suppose to play for the glory and honor of God. It's the other musicians who attempts to get paid for a living to play what God blessed them with and it's not right! Unless of course your teaching at a school or having classes or something of that nature. I don't feel that any form of payment should be invovled. You have to make sure you're established in a church were they are preaching the word of God, being truthful with the word and not because they are in need of an organist, keyboard player/piano player. Hope this helps! You're not alone God said your gifts will make room.
I'm faithfully dedicated to God, my leaders, my church and my ministry I don't see the point in being paid because we (musicians) suppose to play for the glory and honor of God. It's the other musicians who attempts to get paid for a living to play what God blessed them with and it's not right! Unless of course your teaching at a school or having classes or something of that nature. I don't feel that any form of payment should be invovled. You have to make sure you're established in a church were they are preaching the word of God, being truthful with the word and not because they are in need of an organist, keyboard player/piano player. Hope this helps! You're not alone God said your gifts will make room.What???? Do you have any scripture to back that up?
Is there anyone playing at thier home church and not getting paid? I'm not and I'm happy. I'm trying to help build my dad's ministry but I've recieved a lot of criticism from people I thought were genuine. What's gospel music come to?Yes. I play for my home church, no I am not getting paid.
Why does this keep coming back? :D
and is this really appropriate to this forum?
Its appropriate because the organist is usually the lead or MOM. In a church where musicians are paid he will typically get the biggest portion.
Its appropriate because the organist is usually the lead or MOM. In a church where musicians are paid he will typically get the biggest portion.But this is the Piano/Organ Chords forum...
I think I have a very different situation than everyone. I play at a church I also run the sound and record the service to cd. I attend everything evening services weekend services and I travel but I dont get paid at all, somtimes I dont even get a thank you. Now I use to play the drums at the church and the player we had left to play somewhere else. Now when he played at the church they were paying him. Now Im not anywhere near as good as he is yet but I learn all the songs they ask me to learn and so on.I guess they feel like since they didnt choose me they dont have to pay me. Now my mother says that I am stupid for playing there when they dont pay me but paid the other guy. I feel torn I love playing here but also I feel I should at least get a donation or somthing. I dont know what do you guys feel?
I've been playing for like ten years now, and I must tell I'm like the only
Instrumentalist (keyboard) who aint getting paid in my area, but its all good.
It doesn't bulge at all. If they decide to start paying I won't mind at all.
Some Musicians do demand to get paid and there's nothing wrong with that at all
so far u ask with the right attitude.