He threw them into a place outside into the darkness where there will be gnashing of teeth...
That to me means "Hell"...
MrSparrow
SJon,
I never said I would put them into hell or heaven. I simply answered Mysteryman's question which was "what did He do to them".
It does bother me to see people with their talent hidden in the ground.
When things bother me, I seek counsel of the experienced M.O.M.'s in here. As of right now, I haven't said a word to anyone about this besides you guys and my wife. I feel the Lord is laying them on my heart to say something to them but I'm unsure what to do. I'm sure we've all been in this situation where we see someone protesting or on self-imposed boycotts but I want to know how the best way to challenge/encourage them to get back busy in the ministry...
MrSparrow
SJon,
I never said I would put them into hell or heaven. I simply answered Mysteryman's question which was "what did He do to them".
It does bother me to see people with their talent hidden in the ground.
When things bother me, I seek counsel of the experienced M.O.M.'s in here. As of right now, I haven't said a word to anyone about this besides you guys and my wife. I feel the Lord is laying them on my heart to say something to them but I'm unsure what to do. I'm sure we've all been in this situation where we see someone protesting or on self-imposed boycotts but I want to know how the best way to challenge/encourage them to get back busy in the ministry...
MrSparrow
So about a month later, that same released singer because she has SOOOO much on her mind was singing at a women's program at the church. I thought nothing of it...
About 3 weeks later, this same singer with SOOO much on her mind was singing at a funeral. The last few months I've been blessed with more 100 times more solos from this released singer than what she did when she was in the praise team and choir.
Last Sunday took the cake, our church has a christian school K4-5th grade and they were in charge of the worship service. Boy she was EVERYWHERE!!! She was directing the school youth choir they sounded a mess but they looked really really good and it was apparent they tried...(doesn't offer to help with the church youth choir) the youth choir at the church sound good but don't look that hot since I have to play from the keyboard, I can't really direct... , THEN she was singing with a thrown together let's go sing some old songs hodge podge of singers leading a song with them (they sang FOUR back to back to back to back selections) and just had a HOLEY GHOST time (I spelled it the way it looked) there was something missing... Other than saying hello and goodbye, she says absolutely nothing to me.
In fact, another one of the stars of that thrown together mess (I can tell no lie) is the former pastor's grandson. This joker thought he was Donnie McClurkin but this is his story and he's sticking to it... He WAS in college out of town. He's graduated from FullSail in Orlando and he's doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with ANYTHING with the exception of bit parts in the drama ministry every blue moon. Yesterday was my first time hearing him sing at all... I had no idea he could hold a note. He's no lead singer but he can hold his part...
I'm wondering if I should say something...
MrSparrow
Let it go, bruh. They feel lead in other areas, so be it. If they try to come back, then you can address what needs to occur within the music ministry. ;)
The best way? Encourage them with what they're doing right now. If you show them the love of Christ, then He, in turn, can change their hearts. ;)
The problem is I'm VERY sarcastic...
When I compliment them on their work they are IMMEADIATELY going to be convicted... and will give me a bunch of excuses why they can't do the same in the music ministry... at that point I'm not sure if I'm going to be strong enough not to laugh at them or roll my eyes or call them out... I guess I'm just going to have to build up my nerve...
I can't let it go SJon, that's the easy way out. I just want to know why the only reason why somebody can give his gift to God is when it's at a program for his dead Granddaddy... it looks like we've got our priorities straight right??? ?/?
MrSparrow
You're right my issue shouldn't be with the people who seek the spotlight for themselves my issue should be why my pastor casts a blind eye to that... I'll talk with him about that tonight. I remember a few weeks ago, the women's ministry had a weekend get-together at the church and instead of contacting me concerning Praise and Worship for the Saturday event to see if I had some women who could serve as Worship Leader, they (the organizers) picked a lady who I heard can sing but quit the choir years before I got there.
The more I think about this and discuss it with you, I'm really going to have to look at what I'm doing right, wrong and alright but could do better.
Just to give you a little history about this church, this church used to be a TRADITIONAL BAPTIST EVERYBODY IS KIN OR BORN AND RAISED IN THAT CHURCH kind of church. A few years ago (about 8) the church dropped it's Baptist ties and became a Non-denominational church. Our pastor became an Apostle and of course where there was no OFFICIAL falling away during the transition, there is a real heavy press to return to the things of old.
In fact, the guy who preached Sunday said after they church FAMILY CHOIR sung some old traditional "I'm On My Way" songs came up there yelling "YEAH! Now THAT's the "(insert name of church) that "I" know! I don't really care for that other conservative stuff..." :o ?/? ::)The guy that preached Sunday was picked by the FAMILY and obviously doesn't care who or how he offended people.Just keep me in your prayers,
MrSparrow
There is a big difference Lyric,
One singer resigned because she had situations going on that kept her from ministering effectly. Now that same person is singing all over the place. Obviously things are going better for her but she hasn't kept her word that she would return when things got back to normal.
The other singer only sang because it was a Founder's Day celebration honoring his deceased grandfather and former pastor of the church. He had the nerve to come up to me a few days before the service telling me that the program committee (his family) had some requests (YES REQUESTS like we're 106 and Park or THE BEAT) for the praise team... I told him WE DON'T DO REQUESTS... with the exception of our Pastor... even he respectfully makes suggestions... At that point, I told the other singer that my youth choir was scheduled to sing. Had they (the family) come to me at the beginning of the month, I could have switched my youth choir to a different Sunday and accomodated them.Then that singer told me that a group of former choir members were going to sing some selections after the offering. I asked him who was going to play for them because I obviously wasn't going to go out of my way and schedule another rehearsal. He told me that a musician that used to go to my church was coming back to play for the renegade choir. Mind you that musician has just flat out, out of the blue stopped playing at another church. Just stopped coming, don't return phone calls NADA... and he has a reputation for pulling no shows EVEN after he get's paid... and they were depending on him to show up. I have mixed feelings about letting stuff like that happen ESPECIALLY when that musician is in rebellion and is playing at my church instead of his own... but that's another totally different subject...
MrSparrow
Ok. I'm seeing that they want a contortionist w/no baccbone (I know it LOOKS like I said the same thing twice, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying).
BINGO!!!!!!!
That's probably the reason they stay away... I guess I should count my blessings...
MrSparrow
BTW tell all of my Tye MB2 peeps I miss them... (FIREWALL AT SCHOOL WON'T LET ME EVEN LOOK AT THE PAGE...)
my bad...
There's a guy up in there with the same name LyricTenor. I thought you and he were one and the same...
:D
MrSparrow
Pianofingers,
I wouldn't say I'm too critical I just call stuff as I see it. There is a need and they aren't really interested in serving unless it's on their terms (not being subject to authority). I think I'm going to sit this one out and see what happens... They still have a heart for the ministry but unless they're singing the solo they aren't interested...
MrSparrow