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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: JFunky on May 16, 2007, 07:48:29 AM
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...what is it about certain drummers that do not and will not play with their band mates? As I visit different churches for different events I find that way too many drummers are out "playing drums" and not playing music with their bandmates. If I remember correctly, Dennis Chambers stated that he finds too many drummers playing like they're practicing and not paying attention to their musical surroundings. I hear this complaint constantly from keyboardists, bassists and other musicians. What are your thoughts on Non Team Players?
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I feel your pain J... I see alot of the hear in Detroit!! They have not yet deciplined themselves enough to know that they have to play with the flow of the Music....
One Questiop though....... Does this go for Drummers ONLY? because there are musicians I know that will take over the music by themselves..... Sometimes I get angry but I hold my peace about it!! :-\ ?/?
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Its a growing proccess. Drummers have to learn how to play with a band. They have to be mentored or given some type of example of how its done. We have to get more educated in our craft. Its not enough to just know rolls, fills, runs and chords. There is a proper application of these elements to music. Its up to us to keep setting the example. Its up to the MD to keep musicians in check. But if a church cant afford a good MD, then you have lil Ray-Ray doin every trick in the book and it doesnt cost them a thing cause he grew up in the church. Who's fault is it that we have this problem?
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One Questiop though....... Does this go for Drummers ONLY? because there are musicians I know that will take over the music by themselves..... Sometimes I get angry but I hold my peace about it!! :-\ ?/?
well......this doesn't go just for drummers but I did post this in our side of the site. ;) J_kay and I have both experienced this with other musicians though. I'll leave it at that. lol
Its a growing proccess. Drummers have to learn how to play with a band. They have to be mentored or given some type of example of how its done. We have to get more educated in our craft. Its not enough to just know rolls, fills, runs and chords. There is a proper application of these elements to music. Its up to us to keep setting the example. Its up to the MD to keep musicians in check. But if a church cant afford a good MD, then you have lil Ray-Ray doin every trick in the book and it doesnt cost them a thing cause he grew up in the church. Who's fault is it that we have this problem?
...to tell you the truth Sheen, this isn't just the younger drummers that have this problem. There are plenty of older, so called "seasoned" Vets. that are going through this. Younger drummers are expected to go through this. Heck, I'll even include myself at times. :-\
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I also have seen this type of inmaturity in guitarist, and pre-madonna keyboardist. I can't play with people who think of themselves before the team. As a drummer, I need to feel and know that I am progressing in my craft with musicians who are competent in their craft. Playin with weak musicians doesn't help me at all.
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I also have seen this type of inmaturity in guitarist, and pre-madonna keyboardist. I can't play with people who think of themselves before the team. As a drummer, I need to feel and know that I am progressing in my craft with musicians who are competent in their craft. Playin with weak musicians doesn't help me at all.
You hit the nail right on the head big bro. I feel like this all the time. I had to check myself to make sure that I wasn't being arrogant or anything like that, but that's not it at all. What good does it do you to perpetually play with those that either don't take music as serious as you do or are passive when it comes to progressing their skill level. Believe me, I hate playing with sucky musicians but it isn't because they suck, but they have no intentions or desire to get better. That's a dangerous place to be as a musician. I found that I have the heart of a supporter as a drummer, so when I play with musicians who can care less whether I support them or not I tend to withdraw myself from that type of situation. I think my comment is a bit off topic but I just wanted to put that out there.
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You hit the nail right on the head big bro. I feel like this all the time. I had to check myself to make sure that I wasn't being arrogant or anything like that, but that's not it at all. What good does it do you to perpetually play with those that either don't take music as serious as you do or are passive when it comes to progressing their skill level. Believe me, I hate playing with sucky musicians but it isn't because they suck, but they have no intentions or desire to get better. That's a dangerous place to be as a musician. I found that I have the heart of a supporter as a drummer, so when I play with musicians who can care less whether I support them or not I tend to withdraw myself from that type of situation. I think my comment is a bit off topic but I just wanted to put that out there.
...hmmm. It may be a lil' off but it's an excellent beginning to another thread. ;) 8) I like it. That'll be interesting when you post it. lol
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What those Unseasoned musicians fail to realize is that they are killing the whole band instead of helping them.... I myself think that Its makes the rest of the musicians jobs A LOT harder because we are at times, trying to out play the person that is out of control, then the music is a mess from that point on! :-\ :)
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What good does it do you to perpetually play with those that either don't take music as serious as you do or are passive when it comes to progressing their skill level. Believe me, I hate playing with sucky musicians but it isn't because they suck, but they have no intentions or desire to get better. That's a dangerous place to be as a musician..
There it is right there...
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What those Unseasoned musicians fail to realize is that they are killing the whole band instead of helping them.... I myself think that Its makes the rest of the musicians jobs A LOT harder because we are at times, trying to out play the person that is out of control, then the music is a mess from that point on! :-\ :)
...lol. That's true. ;D
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You hit the nail right on the head big bro. I feel like this all the time. I had to check myself to make sure that I wasn't being arrogant or anything like that, but that's not it at all. What good does it do you to perpetually play with those that either don't take music as serious as you do or are passive when it comes to progressing their skill level. Believe me, I hate playing with sucky musicians but it isn't because they suck, but they have no intentions or desire to get better. That's a dangerous place to be as a musician. I found that I have the heart of a supporter as a drummer, so when I play with musicians who can care less whether I support them or not I tend to withdraw myself from that type of situation. I think my comment is a bit off topic but I just wanted to put that out there.
For real. Im experiencing that right now with a keyboardist. It is SOOO wack man. GB.
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Romans 2:15
"who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves [their] thoughts accusing or else excusing [them])".. Brothers we cant hide from God.
We all know when we are playing for self or for the Lord... we just play the blame game to excuse ourselves...
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well......this doesn't go just for drummers but I did post this in our side of the site. ;) J_kay and I have both experienced this with other musicians though. I'll leave it at that. lol
This is true.
But for some reason it's much more prevalent in drummers.
I visited a church that fellowships with my church alot, and a drummer from another visiting church was playing. Homeboy was SUPER loud and was putting all kinds of fills where they didn't belong.
I'm watching the Organist TRY to tell this brotha to play it simple.
The Organist eventually shook his head and gave up.
At the end of the service a visiting minister had to ask homey to reign it in because he was playing licks WHILE SHE WAS TRYING TO SPEAK.
Man, I was actually getting ANGRY at this guy. That was the most blatant, outright SELFISH display of immaturity I've ever seen.
You'll always find a Keys player or an Organist playing LOUD "talk" music behind a Pastor, or playing a simple hymn with crazy runs and dissonant chords.....
But drummers are the backbone of a band. A bad drummer will ruin a groove quicker than anything else. We have a greater responsibility (and I say this as someone who's transitioning to the Organ...).
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It boils down to are you a child musically or an adult! A Child must go to school, play and explore to learn. Sometimes a child has to be spanked or disciplined to learn and get the point. An adult works a real job and knows they have to get along and do their part to get along with their co workers and work in harmony as a team.
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There is if you spell it Teim!!!!!
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There is if you spell it Teim!!!!!
Not sure if that's a word but... ;D
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Not sure if that's a word but... ;D
There may not be an "I", but "me" is in there.
;)
...and now I go back to the Keyboard room.
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I PERSONALLY THINK THAT DRUMMERS ARE A PART OF ONE BODY OF MUSICIANS. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A *STAR* MUSICIAN ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO GOSPEL MUSIC. WHEN A DRUMMER PLAYS OUT OF TURN LIKE IN CHURCH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I THINK OF DRUMMERS AS MUSICIANS TOO AND WHEN IT'S LIKE THAT, IN MY OPINION, THATS WHEN A DRUMMER TURNS FROM A MUSICAN INTO JUST A NOISEMAKER THAT NO ONE WANTS AROUND. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PLAY EVERY LICK THAT WAS EVER THOUGHT OF BEING PLAYED, BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH MATURITY TO KNOW WHEN TO BRING IT OR TO BACK OFF YOUR NOT A VERY GOOD MUSICIAN.
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I PERSONALLY THINK THAT DRUMMERS ARE A PART OF ONE BODY OF MUSICIANS. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A *STAR* MUSICIAN ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO GOSPEL MUSIC. WHEN A DRUMMER PLAYS OUT OF TURN LIKE IN CHURCH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I THINK OF DRUMMERS AS MUSICIANS TOO AND WHEN IT'S LIKE THAT, IN MY OPINION, THATS WHEN A DRUMMER TURNS FROM A MUSICAN INTO JUST A NOISEMAKER THAT NO ONE WANTS AROUND. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PLAY EVERY LICK THAT WAS EVER THOUGHT OF BEING PLAYED, BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH MATURITY TO KNOW WHEN TO BRING IT OR TO BACK OFF YOUR NOT A VERY GOOD MUSICIAN.
...welcome to LGM. Feel free to introduce yourself to the fam. Oh yeah....why are you cyber screaming ?/? Gon' and take the Caps Lock off doc'. It'll be easier for people to read your posts. :) The caps play with the eyes. ;)
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This is good conversation. I see the same thing alot. Its really a growth process. I had to go through it and I am pretty sure you all as well. I think its the mentality of getting your name out there to be known. Alot of the time, musicians just want their name out to be known as somebody. I remember when I use to play for this group. I did my first recording with them. My mind frame was messed up. I was thinking that If I do all these licks then Kirk Franklin will ask me to play for him one day. Real retarded huh? lol. But when I went to the studio to listen to it, It sounded GREAT TO ME. But now when I listen to it, its GARBAGE. Since then I have been spanked by alot of musicians. We church players think that if we play all these fills we can get the congregation hyped. And typically we do get them hyped. BUT!!!!!! WE AINT HELPING SOULS TO BE SAVED. WE ARE SETTING THE WRONG ATMOSPHERE. The one person who spanked me the most was Mr. Joel Smith. He helped me out alot cuz he been there. And now he is beyond. It is up to us vets to feel obligated to share our knowledge. Seriously, we all dont like to share. But like I said, its a growth thing. And someone said that its not just the drummers. SO VERY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! Keyboardist, organist, bass and many more are like that also. I hate playing with these type. It does not help me to grow.
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I personally feel that, while they do have an interest in music, many people's intial interest in their instrument was adulterated by that seemingly everlasting need for approval & recognition. For some people, that need never subsides to the point that they can 'play a role', instead of trying to 'be the show'.
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I personally feel that, while they do have an interest in music, many people's intial interest in their instrument was adulterated by that seemingly everlasting need for approval & recognition. For some people, that need never subsides to the point that they can 'play a role', instead of trying to 'be the show'.
I can relate to this...........because I used to be this way. I used to play chops like crazy just to get recognition and a pat on the back after the service. But reading what alot of you had to say in some older threads and some threads on Gospelchops made me rethink and change my mentality. I have to say I thought I was the stuff like some other cats did but to find out..............I sucked. But because i changed my thinking, I've got alot better now, and i really have to thank JFunk and Sabe because you two played a good part in it and still are:)
HGD
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I can relate to this...........because I used to be this way. I used to play chops like crazy just to get recognition and a pat on the back after the service. But reading what alot of you had to say in some older threads and some threads on Gospelchops made me rethink and change my mentality. I have to say I thought I was the stuff like some other cats did but to find out..............I sucked. But because i changed my thinking, I've got alot better now, and i really have to thank JFunk and Sabe because you two played a good part in it and still are:)
HGD
I know what you mean lil bro. They've affected all our drumming lives.
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I can relate to this...........because I used to be this way. I used to play chops like crazy just to get recognition and a pat on the back after the service. But reading what alot of you had to say in some older threads and some threads on Gospelchops made me rethink and change my mentality. I have to say I thought I was the stuff like some other cats did but to find out..............I sucked. But because i changed my thinking, I've got alot better now, and i really have to thank JFunk and Sabe because you two played a good part in it and still are:)
HGD
I know what you mean lil bro. They've affected all our drumming lives.
...man. This is quite humbling. That means a lot. I Praise God that we (Sabe & LGM Fam.) could help someone become a better musician for His Kingdom. 8)
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Curtis stands and claps for JFunk and Sabe ;D
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Curtis stands and claps for JFunk and Sabe ;D
...dude, you've personally helped me on a lot and you didn't even have to say a word. Your tracks spoke loud enough dawg. ;)
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For real JFunk, Sabe, Div and some other guys on here have changed my way of thinking when it comes to drumming and being a musician and even in other topics. I came in this site knowing nothing and I have learned a whole lot since then. I think I have become somewhat better as a drummer since I joined this site. I still got lots to learn. So thank you guys. You guys are the ones that inspire me to become better in my craft. God Bless.
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Thats real talk! Thanks J and Sabe! ;)