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Gospel Instruments => Organ Room => Topic started by: iplaytheorgan2 on June 20, 2007, 10:41:30 AM
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As organist and piano player sometimes I get drowned out by the drummer and guitar players, either because the leslie in the wrong spot or folk just play toooo... LOUD!! As musicians we have to always keep in mind that we are in a band situation and not a "ME" situation.
What ya'll think??? ::) ?/? ;)
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GREAT point! We should play TOGETHER as a band, NOT compete with each other. I tell the band at my church that all the time. I think they're starting to get it.
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I know exactly what you’re talking about "iplaytheorgan2", there are times when I am playing with particular musicians and they simply want to be the only one's heard. It's tough for me because I don't want to be in competition with them during a service, we should compliment each other thus allowing us to effectively minister to those there.
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Nothing worse than that. I backed up our Praise team at a concert and I COULDN'T HEAR myself. No matter how much I turned up the keyboard I couldn't hear it.
After the selection I was asking folk how I sounded because I couldn't hear myself. >:(
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yeah i really hate it >:( >:( >:(
when i play with someone else i don't try to dominate the whole church, what's the point of that?? the singers and the words of the song should be heard above everything else.
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the singers and the words of the song should be heard above everything else.
Amen! I think we as musicians sometimes forget that, including myself. We could easily take all the instruments out of the church and just sing a song and God will still move. The music is there just to add a certain "body" to the song but what really makes a song is the words.
Anyway, back on topic. Fortunately we don't have this problem anymore. Everyone can hear themselves just fine. It wasn't always that way. Especially on the piano. The keyboard we have is a Roland FP-9 and if you've even played one of these, you know the internal speakers are located underneath the keyboard. That's fine in a solo environment, but when you have everyone playing and singing, it's easy to get drowned out. I can remember a time several years ago when I would sit down and play the organ and because the keyboard player couldn't hear, he would turn his volume up and then I couldn't hear myself. One time he actually had the nerve to yell at me for playing too loud. Well I couldn't hear myself, so what was I supposed to do? No, a fight did not break out, that's the last thing that should happen in church. I just kept my mouth shut and let it go. I finally got fed up and dug our old keyboard amp out of the closet and put it up there next to the keyboard. We've never had that problem since.
Everyone do your keyboard players a favor, suggest a keyboard amp if they don't already have one. ;D
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I finally got fed up and dug our old keyboard amp out of the closet and put it up there next to the keyboard. We've never had that problem since.
Everyone do your keyboard players a favor, suggest a keyboard amp if they don't already have one. ;D
Yes that is the answer to the problem proper monitors for everyone. I don't have a problem at my church any more, because about 7 years ago the church purchased a system so each musician has their own monitor mix, the pastor has his monitor mix and the vocals(praise team and choir) have their monitor mix. It's just when I go to another church for a service or concert, the sytem is not good or the instruments are not properly mic'd. So that means the musicians have to be conscious of their volumes and must be sensitive to each other, and usually that doesn't happen. LOL :) ::)
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i kno exackly wat you are talking about unfortunatly :-\ our youth chior just had a concert and i was on the hammond and i had that thing all the way up and i still could not hear my self the drums were right behind me and the keyboard w\ amp blarring in frount of me and the sync on the side also w\ amp i could hear nothing comming out of the lesile..!! :-\
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WOWWW it's funny I came across this post....I really hate that...PERFECT example...my church is in our 24th Annual Founders Week Convention, this whole week. Well anyways a visiting church came out last night(like every night this week)..and when the pastor got up too preach his musician got on to play as well...so he hop'd on the keyboard...so I was like cool...so he played..well yea after the pastor was finished preaching ...you know thats the time when the musician plays softly...cool...well this pastor gave a word from the Lord to my Bishop Elect...and the whole church went in...so buddy asked me to get on organ and play with him...so I said sure...TELL ME WHY he had the organ sound on the keyboard(Yamaha MO8)....and then turned up the volume all the way ...so it drowned me out...so basically it didn't sound good...and I couldn't hear myself...and it sounded like 2 organs playing at the same time..with 2 different styles...a mess....LOLL....but anyways...To GOD be the glory!!!!
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sounded like 2 organs playing at the same time..with 2 different styles...a mess....LOLL....but anyways...To GOD be the glory!!!!
WOW!! My heart goest out to you. You know what that is called "EGO". Some musicians have these big egos and always feel they have to shine rather than be as one with the other musicians. AND WHY??? WOULD THE GUY USE THE ORGAN PROGRAM IF YOU'RE ON THE ORGAN???? I don't get. LOLOLOLOL!! :D ;D ?/? ::)
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WOW!! My heart goest out to you. You know what that is called "EGO". Some musicians have these big egos and always feel they have to shine rather than be as one with the other musicians. AND WHY??? WOULD THE GUY USE THE ORGAN PROGRAM IF YOU'RE ON THE ORGAN???? I don't get. LOLOLOLOL!! :D ;D ?/? ::)
Oh yea this is Will from Miami..Auntie "Nell"....lol
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HAHAHA,,, that why as the church organist i control all the sounds sitting next to me i turn them down or i pull the chords out, when u play in the annointing u know just how loud to go and when to bring the music down....
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HAHAHA,,, that why as the church organist i control all the sounds sitting next to me i turn them down or i pull the chords out, when u play in the annointing u know just how loud to go and when to bring the music down....
HEYY!!! HALLELUJAH!!! GLOWRAYY!!! YOU GOT TO HAVE THE ANOINTING AND BE ANOINTED. You just sumed it all. ;D
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Oh yea this is Will from Miami..Auntie "Nell"....lol
Hey Will!!! Howya doin??? I hope you don't have to play with that guy again. LOLOLOL!! :D ;D
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I know the feeling. Everytime we attend our sister church for service, the guitar player and the drummer, drown out everything and everybody. This goes on at every service. It's a waste of my time to bring any of my equipment because I can't ever hear what I am playing.
I even had to pull my speakers closer to me to hear and still couldn't hear. The other keyboard player sitting directly next to me, I didn't hear anything that he was playing.
Now, that's a shame. The guitar player is the lead musician there.
What do you all suggest?
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yes! i definitely had that same experience when i play the organ in every service.
A couple of weeks ago when i was playing the organ, i could barely hear myself, but that is because the leslie was in the wrong spot. The Leslie was further from me.
Also, the guys at my church play tremendously loud. The bass guitarist and the pianist was basically showing off; the drummer was fine but sometimes he shows off too. The saxophone is pretty ok.
There were some cases where i couldn't even hear the piano nor the organ; i just hear the loud bass and saxophone and drums.
It is really not good to show off, thinking you are all that great. Just play to the honor and glory of God.
Also, i think each instrument should have a volume monitor to monitor the volume. So if it is too high, it can be decreased.
Another reason is where the amp is facing; if it is facing towards the congregation, the musicians will not know that they are playing so loud, since they can't really hear it that much. So the amp should be facing slightly towards them so they can easily monitor.
The drums are really hard to control the volume because basically the drum is a loud instrument. Sometimes, when you feel the Holy Spirit or when you're feeling the music, it makes you want to play louder and play harder. lol. It is difficult to control the way how you play the drums. I believe the drums should be hook up to the sound system so that the sound men can monitor and adjust the volume of the drum.
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Thank goodness that the drums are not hooked up to the sound system because then, they probably would run everyone out of the church. ;D
The drums are on the other side of the church and still pretty much drowns out everyone. In other words, each musician, with the exception of the drums, have their own sound system.
I wish that everyone was on one accord. The guitar player finally get to the point where pretty much everything is drowned out. I don't know if their speaker system is running 3000 watts or what. LOL
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yep the drum is the loudest, even when it is not hook up in the sound system.
Like the drumset in my church, you can hear the drums from the back (well my church is not even big anyways). But the piano and bass player are hook up to amps. The organ is kind of hook up to the sound system (has a mic next to the leslie). The drums is the only one that is not hook up to anything.
So the resolution to solving this problem is not simply telling them to play softer because they will forget ;D
The best thing is have them monitored or hook to sound system and lower the volume when they decide to get loud. As least, you can control the volume instead of complaining of loud volume and telling the musicians and they are not complying
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Ms andrews this is so true. Im always telling these young negroes at church to stop playing the drums like its a **** marching band lol. And we baptist too so its more laid back. These young negroes in cali on the drums today is somethin else! Pray for them!
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Hey Linelle and yes, that's quite annoying. I have somewhat of an advantage because it's my family who's the band but now that we have everything miked and supposed to come through the monitoring system, we have to keep in mind of the volume. It's annoying when you can't hear yourself through the monitors too and you have an expensive sound system with non- cooperating sound techs....LOL! Oh and good to see you SugeHeights....I thought you disappeared because I haven't seen you on here ;)
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Hey Linelle and yes, that's quite annoying. I have somewhat of an advantage because it's my family who's the band but now that we have everything miked and supposed to come through the monitoring system, we have to keep in mind of the volume. It's annoying when you can't hear yourself through the monitors too and you have an expensive sound system with non- cooperating sound techs....LOL! Oh and good to see you SugeHeights....I thought you disappeared because I haven't seen you on here ;)
im glad that i don't have that problem.It just me and a drummer.
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Ive had to deal with this for the last 13 years or so. :D I just let them do their thing. Funny thing is if I happen to be on the louder instrument and they put me in a bad moodeverybody wants to quiet things down.
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The best thing is have them monitored or hook to sound system and lower the volume when they decide to get loud. As least, you can control the volume instead of complaining of loud volume and telling the musicians and they are not complying
Yeah...monitoring is vital. I always have to get on my bass player for rattling the church windows...lol The best experience I've had is at Worthington Christian Church in Columbus to where every one had a headphone mixer and could control their own mix. If the guitar, drum, keys, or horn player was too loud through your mix then you turn that particular instruments line down or cut him off completely in your mix. When our church grows to the point we can do that, I've got to make that happen.
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Hey Linelle and yes, that's quite annoying. I have somewhat of an advantage because it's my family who's the band but now that we have everything miked and supposed to come through the monitoring system, we have to keep in mind of the volume. It's annoying when you can't hear yourself through the monitors too and you have an expensive sound system with non- cooperating sound techs....LOL! Oh and good to see you SugeHeights....I thought you disappeared because I haven't seen you on here ;)
Your kidding They don't Co-Operate With Us lol. But Trina you have to love that hot mix they give us week in and out
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Hey Linelle and yes, that's quite annoying. I have somewhat of an advantage because it's my family who's the band but now that we have everything miked and supposed to come through the monitoring system, we have to keep in mind of the volume. It's annoying when you can't hear yourself through the monitors too and you have an expensive sound system with non- cooperating sound techs....LOL! Oh and good to see you SugeHeights....I thought you disappeared because I haven't seen you on here ;)
We have an expensive sound system too. Everything is miked. The organ leslie is actually on the puplit. I think the other guy turns the keyboard mix up louder than the organ. I could be wrong. I would rather only hear myself coming out of which ever monitor is near me. If Im playing organ I dont want to hear the piano coming out of the organ monitor. I can hear the piano from the piano monitor. When everything gets going I hear the keys for the most part and can barely hear myself on organ. I dont think its the sound person's fault.
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always hate it when I can't hear me. all that practicing and for what ? what's that about ? especially when it's my turn. of course, when I can't hear the singing while I'm accompanying, then that time sucks. People can't hear teh message in the music and carryin' on. Might as well get outta there and work at I -hop or something.
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Well, i went to this church a month ago.
I couldnt even tell that there was piano / keyboard..(i know this is bout organs..but here, very few churches do organ :()
I was very irked :-\>:( because the bass, drums & guitar (voices a bit) was all one could hear..
I could c that the keyboardists were playing, but it looked dumb coz one couldnt hear a think.
I looked @ the Roland RD700 & the Motif xs8 & thot: what a waste of $...& the players' time!!
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It's annoying when you can't hear yourself through the monitors too and you have an expensive sound system with non- cooperating sound techs....LOL!
PREEEEEEEEEEACH......
You gets the Abm7/9 over Db for that one...
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PREEEEEEEEEEACH......
You gets the Abm7/9 over Db for that one...
don't forget the G11 ( A 2nd inv /g7,10th)
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Yeah...monitoring is vital. I always have to get on my bass player for rattling the church windows...lol The best experience I've had is at Worthington Christian Church in Columbus to where every one had a headphone mixer and could control their own mix. If the guitar, drum, keys, or horn player was too loud through your mix then you turn that particular instruments line down or cut him off completely in your mix. When our church grows to the point we can do that, I've got to make that happen.
Aviom, my brothers and sisters. It is a 16 channel in ear monitoring system. You hear the mix you want to hear....
W
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Aviom, my brothers and sisters. It is a 16 channel in ear monitoring system. You hear the mix you want to hear....
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Aviom is tight.
another alternative is the Hearback system from Hear Technologies. I'm installing one myself.
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I haven't had the chance to use those yet. I know that SHure has in ears that you can dial in a sub mix. The point I guess is that if we could get people to just control their on stage volume a bit, there would be no need for such elaborate devices. I wonder if these window shakers can actually here anything but themselves and if not what is the fun in that? That is not music, that is ego...