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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: DuvalsLilJohnLumpkin on June 22, 2007, 02:19:57 AM
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All musicians please do me one favor, exercise your minds daily in your word. There is nothing we can do about secular music within the church, homosexuals, or sexual immorality anymore because they are here. However, the fight of righteousness begins with the word of God as our weapon since we are in warfare. If you haven't noticed, Lucifer is trying the same stunt that he pulled in heaven here on earth. 75% of heaven went to hell over the arts, MUSICIANS LISTEN UP! This is the strongest form that the devil has to use us for his kingdom deceitfully. Now the ironic thing is that when Lucifer realized all the glory God showed to him, his eyes were off God. Get your principles out of this world, and into the word if you call your self a Levite. If you are not living righteous, NOW is the time to come to yourself and stop running from who you are, and you really do know how you are in Jesus Christ. Strengthen yourself and encourage yourself with the word. But, don't forget to assemble yourselves together. We are all trying to lift the body of Christ in this generation. Study your word and seek your destiny within Jesus Christ. If you ever question your beliefs and foundation just ask yourself these two questions: What part of the body of Christ do I represent? Am I a 100% reflection of his image?
P.S. - I know we are not perfect, but is there not a cause for perfection?
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Powerful word, brother... Powerful word! Thank you so much!
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thanx for the word bro.
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All musicians please do me one favor, exercise your minds daily in your word. There is nothing we can do about secular music within the church, homosexuals, or sexual immorality anymore because they are here. However, the fight of righteousness begins with the word of God as our weapon since we are in warfare. If you haven't noticed, Lucifer is trying the same stunt that he pulled in heaven here on earth. 75% of heaven went to hell over the arts, MUSICIANS LISTEN UP! This is the strongest form that the devil has to use us for his kingdom deceitfully. Now the ironic thing is that when Lucifer realized all the glory God showed to him, his eyes were off God. Get your principles out of this world, and into the word if you call your self a Levite. If you are not living righteous, NOW is the time to come to yourself and stop running from who you are, and you really do know how you are in Jesus Christ. Strengthen yourself and encourage yourself with the word. But, don't forget to assemble yourselves together. We are all trying to lift the body of Christ in this generation. Study your word and seek your destiny within Jesus Christ. If you ever question your beliefs and foundation just ask yourself these two questions: What part of the body of Christ do I represent? Am I a 100% reflection of his image?
P.S. - I know we are not perfect, but is there not a cause for perfection?
...Duvals comes back to LGM hard!!! I see you have not changed one bit. Powerful indeed!! Thanks.
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YES!!!!! Powerful word, JFunk, as drum mod can you PLEASE post that everywhere on LGM.
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POST IT EVERYWHERE!
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what does this have to do with Tonex? "Tonex the naked truth"?
some one please enlighten me....is that a video or something he made?
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what does this have to do with Tonex? "Tonex the naked truth"?
some one please enlighten me....is that a video or something he made?
I was thinking the same thing
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Just search for by using youtube.com. Use the search string tonex naked truth (typed just like that). It will be the second video.
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thanx for the word bro.
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Yeah, just type in Tonex The Naked Truth in the youtube search engine.
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wow....that was Tonex!!! :o
I mean i thought he was a questionable artist before due to certain vibez i got from some of his songs but
THAT was Tonex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im befuddled right now...... ?/?
im gonna go pray..........
i need to get closer to Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3lWi4ZBb-Q
he does too.....(Tonex's #1 fan and disciple apparently :(
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wow....that was Tonex!!! :o
I mean i thought he was a questionable artist before due to certain vibez i got from some of his songs but
THAT was Tonex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im befuddled right now...... ?/?
im gonna go pray..........
i need to get closer to Jesus
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3lWi4ZBb-Q[/url]
he does too.....(Tonex's #1 fan and disciple apparently :(
....and that right there is the reason why we should keep our eyes on Jesus and get closer to Him. No where in the Bible does it say that we need to follow in Pastors, Artists, Musicians, whoever's foot steps but only His. That's why this thread is great. It is a reminder to get closer to God and follow the true Pastor and Artist.....Jesus!!! Amen
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im not one to weigh in on the whole "Tonex" issue, because its so polarizing, but hear this interview, with his words.
I'm not saying "yeh he on point", or "feh, he done went left, he outa order". that aint my call. I'm concerned about makin it in myself, and living a life that the non-churched can see that is true inside and out.
anyway, check it out, a radio podcast.
http://www.switchpod.com/users/wade-o/ftp/wadeoradioepisode29.mp3
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What part of the body of Christ do I represent? Am I a 100% reflection of his image?
P.S. - I know we are not perfect, but is there not a cause for perfection?
Very interesting question. Everyone and everything good and bad is a 100% reflection of His image.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things
And there is never a cause for perfection unless it can be achieved. You can not be a perfect human being but you can bowl a perfect 300 game! ;D
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Very interesting question. Everyone and everything good and bad is a 100% reflection of His image.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things
And there is never a cause for perfection unless it can be achieved. You can not be a perfect human being but you can bowl a perfect 300 game! ;D
...and the bible facts keep rolling in. ;D ;D ;D
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im not one to weigh in on the whole "Tonex" issue, because its so polarizing, but hear this interview, with his words.
I'm not saying "yeh he on point", or "feh, he done went left, he outa order". that aint my call. I'm concerned about makin it in myself, and living a life that the non-churched can see that is true inside and out.
anyway, check it out, a radio podcast.
[url]http://www.switchpod.com/users/wade-o/ftp/wadeoradioepisode29.mp3[/url]
Wow! That interview really made me think, reflect, and contemplate. Fam.. We all need prayer. Pray for me, my family, and the rest of our LGM family. We all have our dirt that we don't want known. I really don't know what else to say...But Thank You Jesus!
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Well said Mr. Hall! Perfection is a weight to uphold, so it can't be easy.
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It's really, really, really obvious that Tonex love's attention. No one goes the length's that this guy does, for nothing. Some people just love attention, be it negative or positive. I'm pretty sure that he get's a major kick out of the fact that everyone(Lovers, prayers, and haters) are all conversing about him and his latest antics.
Please believe this is just the beginning.
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It's really, really, really obvious that Tonex love's attention. No one goes the length's that this guy does, for nothing. Some people just love attention, be it negative or positive. I'm pretty sure that he get's a major kick out of the fact that everyone(Lovers, prayers, and haters) are all conversing about him and his latest antics.
Please believe this is just the beginning.
...you're absolutley right. This is just the beginning. The last time I checked, God shares His Glory with no one and Praise belongs to Him and Him alone. The attention has got to get off of Tonex & Gospel Artists/Musicians and be placed on God. Don't let this foolish distraction get you side tracked from following His steps. Stay focused. Let God deal with Him as He's the only one that knows how and keep walking. Pray and leave Him in God's hands.
...I heard the song. The word/sin "Blasphemy" comes to mind. He said something like he's in the Spirit but what was coming out was not the Spirit. May God have Mercy. 8)
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Until the SUPREME understanding of Reality and belief is supremely understood there will always be misunderstandings, which will and can corrupt and absolutely misunderstandings will corrupt absolutely.We live a physical world.
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LOL! When will you guys and gals ever learn?
The very reason why you feel you SHOULD talk about these things, is the very reason why you SHOULD'NT.
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......No words just scripture Proverbs 19:5
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......No words just scripture Proverbs 19:5
When was the last time you took a good look at this world?
Anytime you use scripture to your benefit, someone else will use scripture to their benefit.
People can do and say what they want and stamp God's name on it and there is nothing you or anybody can do about it. Hence the fact that Tonex can use scripture to justify his actions, you are using scripture to judge him. Its an everlasting war that started long before you were born and will be here long after youre gone. What are the end results? More church denominations. More versions of the bible. Just leave it alone.
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When was the last time you took a good look at this world?
Anytime you use scripture to your benefit, someone else will use scripture to their benefit.
People can do and say what they want and stamp God's name on it and there is nothing you or anybody can do about it. Hence the fact that Tonex can use scripture to justify his actions, you are using scripture to judge him. Its an everlasting war that started long before you were born and will be here long after youre gone. What are the end results? More church denominations. More versions of the bible. Just leave it alone.
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LGM Couple of the year 2007 :)
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j/k ;D
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j/k ;D
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I just heard the song... This guy doesn't have all his sticks in his bag... ?/? ;)... He is confused...
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75% of heaven went to hell over the arts, MUSICIANS LISTEN UP!
Maybe I'm being too literal, but what scripture did you get this from? I'm not being facetious, I just would rather not be cloudy about God's Word. Revelation speaks of the dragon dragging 1/3 of the stars with him to Earth. That would be only 33.33%.
Where is this scripture found? I'm not trying to be funny.
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Maybe I'm being too literal, but what scripture did you get this from? I'm not being facetious, I just would rather not be cloudy about God's Word. Revelation speaks of the dragon dragging 1/3 of the stars with him to Earth. That would be only 33.33%.
Where is this scripture found? I'm not trying to be funny.
Be easy baldy! ;D I didnt pick that whole paragraph apart for a reason! 75% of his statements were either false or non-scriptural. But look at how everyone cheered him on. "Good word bro!" "Post that everywhere!"
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I think people are just putting too much attention on Tonex. I read his blogs and stuff. I don't remember him justifying his cussing with scriptures. He cussed because he felt like it. At the end of the day he is just as human as the rest of us. What can you expect......He's not Jesus.....he's just another human. I'm not defending his actions because I definitely think he could of expressed himself in a better way without the cussing. I think though that we sometimes see people that are considered in a higher position than us as "perfect". We only see the our pastors, ministers etc. at church. We don't know how they are behind the scenes with their families or even by themselves. No, I'am not saying that ALL pastors and ministers are different behind the scenes but I have had my experiences. What we saw is Tonex putting what he really feels as a public display. Some of us think that way sometimes when we are mad or a in a situation that we can't take no more but we keep it to ourselves. We need to ask God to restore and make us over everyday of our lives. Again, I'm not defending Tonex. All we can do is pray for him and everything else is up to God and him. Like JFunky said, we need to put our eyes on Jesus and not get side tracked by people, artist, musicians etc. At the end of the day it's all about Jesus and we need to get closer to him. We got to be concerrned about OUR personal relationship with God. GB.
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Maybe I'm being too literal, but what scripture did you get this from? I'm not being facetious, I just would rather not be cloudy about God's Word. Revelation speaks of the dragon dragging 1/3 of the stars with him to Earth. That would be only 33.33%.
Where is this scripture found? I'm not trying to be funny.
Anon. - "Forty-three percent of all statistics are made up."
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Be easy baldy! ;D I didnt pick that whole paragraph apart for a reason! 75% of his statements were either false or non-scriptural. But look at how everyone cheered him on. "Good word bro!" "Post that everywhere!"
...75 percent!? Wow. I can see some things but not 75%. :-\
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75% of his statements were either false or non-scriptural.
Only one sentence in the post was something that can be deemed true or false. The rest of it was encouragement/advice....and that encouragement/advice is what everyone was why people "cheered him on"
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Be easy baldy! ;D I didnt pick that whole paragraph apart for a reason! 75% of his statements were either false or non-scriptural. But look at how everyone cheered him on. "Good word bro!" "Post that everywhere!"
I wasn't trying to hijack the thread. It's just that when it comes to scripture, I would rather there be no "made up" facts. The Bible is not facts. . . it's truth. When something is added into food that's not naturally found in it, it's called 'additives.' The Bible needs no additives or preservatives. It is truth by itself, and its contents are its own preservation.
Let's just always be mindful of not 'adding' anything (even if it seems harmless)
By the way, someone sent me a copy of that Tonex song. I read it, deleted it, and forgot about it. Then Sunday night my youth mime group ministered to Tonex's song "Work On Me" from the OUT THE BOX album. By the time they were finished, the church couldn't be contained!! It was CRAZY!! Just goes to show you that people who are used by God can also turn right around and screw things up for themselves.
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Catz, please forgive me. It was exactly 33.3% percent of heaven that went to hell over the arts (typing passionately I completely reversed the percentages, I ask for forgiveness.)
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hey err-body....
this is just my opinion....
1- i believe he is wrong. the bible says be angry but do not sin. you can feel/ think something but acting on it is taking it to the next level....like having the thought to commit a sin and choosing not to and thinking it then doing are the same thing.... wrong, not doing something you feel is NOT faking the funk....... and telling the "truth" on yourself doesn't have to include sinning and bringing thousands into it with you. and if what he did was made ok by the people who hurt him and the severity of their actions, then that means it is ok for us to say- if someone hurts me bad enough, or pushes me far enough, then it is ok for me to react in a sinful manner..... wrong....
plus his sphere of influence is way too big to do something like this, there are thousands of people especially young people who stand by and defend wut he did and think it's ok- even for them- to act/react in such a way.... like the one kid on youtube defending tonex because he is annointed, and an artist/artistic person.... all of which mean very little in regards to if someone will do something right or wrong; one man is an artist the next, a banker. and annointing never automatically equals character or assurance that someone will make Godly choices....
2- my father always says annointing without character is dangerous..... this is a great example of that. and i am NOT saying that he has no character... i am only saying that there was/is something in his character that couldn't carry the responsibility and expectations of his gift/ministry.....
2- we should pray or nothing at all.... a lot of people will write him off, JUST talk about him and the situation, and condemn him- which is wrong no matter wut.... but few will actually pray for him sincerely. so i feel like if you're not gonna pray don't talk.... we should stand with/for/behind him but not by wut he did.... i think it is stupid of Christians to not forgive people of things we may have done, thought etc., think someone else is LESS worthy of forgiveness because of how we see what they did, and not forgive someone like this for something God already forgave them for- depending on if they have repented .....
i know God can take this situation and make it a blow against satan, and reverse the damage it has done....
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hey err-body....
this is just my opinion....
1- i believe he is wrong. the bible says be angry but do not sin. you can feel/ think something but acting on it is taking it to the next level....like having the thought to commit a sin and choosing not to and thinking it then doing are the same thing.... wrong, not doing something you feel is NOT faking the funk....... and telling the "truth" on yourself doesn't have to include sinning and bringing thousands into it with you. and if what he did was made ok by the people who hurt him and the severity of their actions, then that means it is ok for us to say- if someone hurts me bad enough, or pushes me far enough, then it is ok for me to react in a sinful manner..... wrong....
plus his sphere of influence is way too big to do something like this, there are thousands of people especially young people who stand by and defend wut he did and think it's ok- even for them- to act/react in such a way.... like the one kid on youtube defending tonex because he is annointed, and an artist/artistic person.... all of which mean very little in regards to if someone will do something right or wrong; one man is an artist the next, a banker. and annointing never automatically equals character or assurance that someone will make Godly choices....
2- my father always says annointing without character is dangerous..... this is a great example of that. and i am NOT saying that he has no character... i am only saying that there was/is something in his character that couldn't carry the responsibility and expectations of his gift/ministry.....
2- we should pray or nothing at all.... a lot of people will write him off, JUST talk about him and the situation, and condemn him- which is wrong no matter wut.... but few will actually pray for him sincerely. so i feel like if you're not gonna pray don't talk.... we should stand with/for/behind him but not by wut he did.... i think it is stupid of Christians to not forgive people of things we may have done, thought etc., think someone else is LESS worthy of forgiveness because of how we see what they did, and not forgive someone like this for something God already forgave them for- depending on if they have repented .....
i know God can take this situation and make it a blow against satan, and reverse the damage it has done....
...POINT BLANK...
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the end ::)
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hey err-body....
this is just my opinion....
1- i believe he is wrong. the bible says be angry but do not sin. you can feel/ think something but acting on it is taking it to the next level....like having the thought to commit a sin and choosing not to and thinking it then doing are the same thing.... wrong, not doing something you feel is NOT faking the funk....... and telling the "truth" on yourself doesn't have to include sinning and bringing thousands into it with you. and if what he did was made ok by the people who hurt him and the severity of their actions, then that means it is ok for us to say- if someone hurts me bad enough, or pushes me far enough, then it is ok for me to react in a sinful manner..... wrong....
plus his sphere of influence is way too big to do something like this, there are thousands of people especially young people who stand by and defend wut he did and think it's ok- even for them- to act/react in such a way.... like the one kid on youtube defending tonex because he is annointed, and an artist/artistic person.... all of which mean very little in regards to if someone will do something right or wrong; one man is an artist the next, a banker. and annointing never automatically equals character or assurance that someone will make Godly choices....
2- my father always says annointing without character is dangerous..... this is a great example of that. and i am NOT saying that he has no character... i am only saying that there was/is something in his character that couldn't carry the responsibility and expectations of his gift/ministry.....
2- we should pray or nothing at all.... a lot of people will write him off, JUST talk about him and the situation, and condemn him- which is wrong no matter wut.... but few will actually pray for him sincerely. so i feel like if you're not gonna pray don't talk.... we should stand with/for/behind him but not by wut he did.... i think it is stupid of Christians to not forgive people of things we may have done, thought etc., think someone else is LESS worthy of forgiveness because of how we see what they did, and not forgive someone like this for something God already forgave them for- depending on if they have repented .....
i know God can take this situation and make it a blow against satan, and reverse the damage it has done....
cosign.
It's like when Psalms 73 mentions Asaph,(also a musician...hmmmm) how he was REEEEAL salty about the outside world, how they seem to prosper, and that his adhereing to the word is in vain, and all that. But before he spoke out he checked himself, knowing that he may "offend the generation"
or cast a shadow on God's people.
kinda like Peter Parker's "great power/great responsibility" thing.
but at the end, pray for restoration and wholeness, and let GOD be glorifed.
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Catz, please forgive me. It was exactly 33.3% percent of heaven that went to hell over the arts (typing passionately I completely reversed the percentages, I ask for forgiveness.)
I don't know if you're trying to be funny. . . but you got a laugh out of me. ;D ;D :(
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Wow! I just saw the video on youtube, Tonex in my opinion is angry,hurt and confused. He needs for us to pray for his restoration,and healing in hiss life. Before all this he wrote some powerful songs that was a blessing to me and some of you.Lets pray that GOD will show him his error and get delivered.
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I know what Tonex is saying, but I'm going to trust my gut on this one. I could see awhile back that Tonex was slowly, but surely, evolving into "something else"(Or de-evolving, to many of you). I firmly believe that he just finally reached a point that he's found the will to completely remove the mask(I think their is more to come, personally). I've listened to this guy closely, and I watched many of his performance's/sermons ... and I saw a dude in conflict. If anyone has heard him preach ... he's ...uh, pretty hard-core. Yet, this other side of him is the antithesis of the fire-breathing, Holiness or Hell, Pastor I've heard on many occassion...
Their is no way you can publicly reveal two completely different sides of yourself, and not expect any type of ridicule. All that he's gone through, in my opinion, is self-inflicted. Yet, he seems imbittered for people lashing out at him for stomping on their Christian/Traditional sensibilities. Weird...
I find it ironic that his album "Out The Box" came at a time when he was instructed to tone down his flamboyance. I specifically remember him saying that God told him that he had to tone it down, and "put on a suit" .. in order to reach many people. He was alienating people by having the wacky hair-styles, and clothes. Yet, he recently said that this was his decision to tone it down, and he was trying to conform to what he thought everyone wantd him to be...
He contradicted himself, but I don't hold that against him. Often time's, people lie, because they're afraid of the consequences of the truth. You think he would come out and tell people "Hey, I toned it down because I was trying to conform to you all's standard." Truth be told, someone with an ego that big would hardly let it be said, by his mouth, that he let people change him. Yet, that's exactly what he said recently, but that's because it makes him look like the victim. So, it suited his purpose...
Believe it or not, I'm a fan of Tonex .. but, as I said before, I saw this coming a long time ago. You read it here first! This is only the beginning. No, I'm not saying he's going to come out of the closet as a homosexual ... but, don't be surprised if their is a shift in his spiritual belief's ... and he start's to do less and less Christian/Gospel music.
1. At first, the tracks were influenced by other genres, but with lyrics that didn't clash with his belief system. A lot of his stuff was a quite edgy for a Christian/Gospel artist - but the message was there..
2. Now he's actually saying things in songs that he'd never allow himself to say before. The boldness is growing...
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Hate to sound like I'm bashing Tonex, but I'm not. I'm just giving my version of "The Naked Truth". I've been there and done what he seem's to be doing - just not on such a large scale...