What can you say? Everyone knows the problems of the Black Community. I don't have a problem with Bill saying those things. We are in denial with a lot of our problems. However, it is always easier to point out the problems. I want to hear some solutions!!!I believe Cosby has more than paid his dues to provide solutions; but what will we do?
What can you say? Everyone knows the problems of the Black Community. I don't have a problem with Bill saying those things. We are in denial with a lot of our problems. However, it is always easier to point out the problems. I want to hear some solutions!!!
Amen!!! Too much talk about the problems in the church and black community. Let's start finding ways to solve these problems!!!Co-Sign!!
Amen!!! Too much talk about the problems in the church and black community. Let's start finding ways to solve these problems!!!
The solutions are quite simple. We just don't want to do it. Parents, make your children go to school. Teachers, teach. Students learn or get out of the way so you don't hinder those who do want to learn.
"Leave the step show, come out of the block party, work harder and study harder," they just brush that aside. People leave having missed the entire point.
I just want to help those who want to do better, do better.
The solutions are quite simple. We just don't want to do it. Parents, make your children go to school. Teachers, teach. Students learn or get out of the way so you don't hinder those who do want to learn.You could add to that; Parents beat your kids. Aint nothing worse than an undisciplined child.
I'll be very honest, I'm quite tired of talking about solutions. Sometimes I go to university conferences where we discuss minorities in higher education, and it results in nothing but talk. People leave the same way they came, if not more confused.
It is usually a fashion show and a chance to go "ooooo" and "ahhhhhhh" at those of us who have prayed and been blessed, fought and struggled to complete advanced degrees. Then people want to ask how to do what we did, and when we say "Leave the step show, come out of the block party, work harder and study harder," they just brush that aside. People leave having missed the entire point.
I just want to help those who want to do better, do better.
Just my 2 cents.
Be Blessed, everyone
You could add to that; Parents beat your kids. Aint nothing worse than an undisciplined child.
Bboy's point is actually more eloquent than the words of Cosby. Cosby's statement is a very general in nature marred with ignorance, devisiveness, and stereotypes. There are people of all racial backgrounds that can fit those descriptions. The problem with American education is that there is still a disparity between the working class and the elite. Of course this shouldn't be much of a suprise considering that throughout the history of mankind's misapporpriation of resources among different classes. So honestly the proverbial solution doesn't really exist.
So we are still working against a system that is flawed but the opportunites for blacks are there more than ever and we must walk through the open doors. Everyone will not enter into the kingdom of God so how in the world do we expect for every person of every race to have success in life? WE must destroy the ideal of one group of people being judged by the actions of others. That's the real issue. Why can't Cosby see that? Honorary PHD's I tell ya..
Furious....my brotha I know you will take this the right way
Ninja Please!!!!!!!! ;D
Cosby has the right to speak about us, he is us. So to say this is an issue with all races, makes it less of an issue with us?
May I suggest a book by John McWhorter “Authentically Black". It's a great read.
We reduced illiteracy from 80% to 30% in 1903 ( Du Bois from Souls of Black Folks) in the Post Slavery period when life was much, much harder and we as people had far less opportunity, let alone money and jobs. So how in the world can we still be blaming as you say society for what we ourselves can do.
Do you know the library is free?
If you don't have a library card, you can just spend hours sitting in comfort and the correct lighting and read. There are no police in the library to shoot you because they thought you might be stealing a book, no librarian saying "um the black folk’s books are in the back".
In the library there is an entire section dedicated to black folks, black disporea, black thought, racisms and whatever else a black person may want to READ so they are not force feed" white America" ;)
And if you don't understand something, you don't have to be ashamed or afraid to ask. Just go to the reference section and get you a dictionary or an encyclopedia and then teach yourself at your own pace so that you don’t have to blame the education system for not catering to your own needs. ;)
The problem is you won't find most of these knuckleheads near a library because they would rather be seen acting a fool rather than seen getting wisdom.
Seriously society does not care about us educating our children because they know most of us won't ;)
Quick note: the word is diaspora, bruh. ;)
COSIGN and GLOOOORRRRRAAAYYYY!!!!!!! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
Quick note: the word is diaspora, bruh. ;)
This almost brought tears to my eyes. No seriously.
Furious....my brotha I know you will take this the right way
Ninja Please!!!!!!!! ;D
Cosby has the right to speak about us, he is us. So to say this is an issue with all races, makes it less of an issue with us?
May I suggest a book by John McWhorter “Authentically Black". It's a great read.
We reduced illiteracy from 80% to 30% in 1903 ( Du Bois from Souls of Black Folks) in the Post Slavery period when life was much, much harder and we as people had far less opportunity, let alone money and jobs. So how in the world can we still be blaming as you say society for what we ourselves can do.
Do you know the library is free?
If you don't have a library card, you can just spend hours sitting in comfort and the correct lighting and read. There are no police in the library to shoot you because they thought you might be stealing a book, no librarian saying "um the black folk’s books are in the back".
In the library there is an entire section dedicated to black folks, black disporea, black thought, racisms and whatever else a black person may want to READ so they are not force feed" white America" ;)
And if you don't understand something, you don't have to be ashamed or afraid to ask. Just go to the reference section and get you a dictionary or an encyclopedia and then teach yourself at your own pace so that you don’t have to blame the education system for not catering to your own needs. ;)
The problem is you won't find most of these knuckleheads near a library because they would rather be seen acting a fool rather than seen getting wisdom.
Seriously society does not care about us educating our children because they know most of us won't ;)
This almost brought tears to my eyes. No seriously.
Ness,
yes it is that sad. for me my sadness comes out in passion and I scream on the inside when I walk out of my office to catch the metro home ( saving gas & time) and I listen to kids talk so foolishly. And this is everyday. Not 1 day goes by and youknow what. All of them arn't poor. All of them are not experienceing racism discrimination at times maybe( some of which they bring on themselves) but out right racism, Heck no!
We say Bill should not talk like that but our children ACT that way all day long. Is it because he is Bill Cosby and he should choose nicer words and discriptions but 50cent, Rich Boy and all these rappers do not have to and we hear them all day long on radio and T.V. far more than we hear from Bill Cosby.
Freedom real freedom, comes from knowledge and to be honest, Knowledge only really cost you, time & effort. But because we feel like America owes us something that we should not have to work and strive for, we never attain it. The sad thing is they know most of us won't do right even if they gave it to us.
How many athletes are given a " free ride" and they actually only have to do something they have done since childhood- run a ball, shoot a ball, catch a ball? In the last 5 years over 785,000 scholarships have been given out to AA men and women just for sports alone (only counting the major sports BB, FB, Baseball, Track& Field) guess how man actually graduated...... less than 360,000. And that was a free ride. Not counting NAIA schools or the black colleges. Just DIV 1 & 2.
So are white folks making us lazy too????
This is us, and us alone. Besides the fact that we give folks too much credit and power over us. We are the only group that still uses opression as an excuse and it is not even a valid one.
If somebody was hung today it would make the news. in 1903 - 1925 it might depending on where you lived. What opression? What racism is there out there that God has not already made a way of escape from? NONE.
What opression? What racism is there out there that God has not already made a way of escape from? NONE.Man you talking!
J31,
It's funny how black degenerates in society can get all of the blame for all of the social ills in American society. If the motion picture Knocked up was done by black comedians, I can assure you Cosby would've said something. The movie about ghetto dudes playing golf looks funny but I gurantee you it will feed into the stereotype of brothers not having "ettiquete" in the most sacred of places. That's where I was getting at. The educational problem is an American problem. Historically, rich kids were the ones who were educated not the working class. That changed in the late 17th century but most poor white kids didn't finish high school. It all changed when former slaves started to those priviliges.
So please save me the speeches on how black people need to fix XYZ. Most Americans are still blind to how race divides us from uniting and working together to demand adequate resources to educate all children. We know what proverbs teaches about training up children but what about the scriptures that teach against laying stumbling blocks out for your neighbor? This capitalistic society with market death and destruction and market life as a path for suckers. So how do parents get all the blame for society's ills. Parents and society at large are responsible for our own demise....
J31,
You ain't right ;D I never said that Cosby didn't have a right to have his divisive views. I only said that his views were quite skewed. Truth is, as a whole the value of education among the working class is taking a massive nose dive. American culture values bling, sex, fun, drugs and entertainment than education. Our entertainment executives market all types of poision to kids everyday. My perspective speaks to a growing constituency of white and black who love to point out the degenerate behavior of blacks but look the other way when statitics show that the broader population has the same problem.
It's funny how black degenerates in society can get all of the blame for all of the social ills in American society. If the motion picture Knocked up was done by black comedians, I can assure you Cosby would've said something. The movie about ghetto dudes playing golf looks funny but I gurantee you it will feed into the stereotype of brothers not having "ettiquete" in the most sacred of places. That's where I was getting at. The educational problem is an American problem. Historically, rich kids were the ones who were educated not the working class. That changed in the late 17th century but most poor white kids didn't finish high school. It all changed when former slaves started to those priviliges.
So please save me the speeches on how black people need to fix XYZ. Most Americans are still blind to how race divides us from uniting and working together to demand adequate resources to educate all children. We know what proverbs teaches about training up children but what about the scriptures that teach against laying stumbling blocks out for your neighbor? This capitalistic society with market death and destruction and market life as a path for suckers. So how do parents get all the blame for society's ills. Parents and society at large are responsible for our own demise....
Umm, hey Furious. I'm not tryna get all up in this, but can I just say this one thing?
You made two pretty valid points. But, have you considered that perhaps the reason Cosby (and those who agree with him) are lamenting about Blacks is that this is the (figurative) community in which they live? We ARE Black. We want our community to do better. We speak against black ignorance, black degenerates, black criminals, black baby machines, black welfare abusers, black deadbeat parents, black high school dropouts, black gangsters, black convicts, black drug dealers because THAT'S WHO WE CARE ABOUT. They are OUR children, offspring of OUR ancestors, living in OUR community. And whether we like it or not (and I'm sure many will disagree), we speak for each other. When the media reports a black man robbing a bank, that black man is a shame for the entire race. African-American culture is a collective community, a village, a family, whether we like it or not. When black people succeed, the entire race benefits from it. When blacks fail miserably, the entire race suffers.
Take this for example. How many times have you heard black people (whether jokingly or seriously) refer to the "fact" that white kids are the ones shooting up schools, and that this isn't a black crime? Or that white people kill their spouses? Or that white people embezzle hundreds of thousands from their companies?
Our society automatically groups different people based on race, sexual identity, weight, gender, religion, nationality. It's called stereotyping, and it's common, and in many cases unavoidable. When Cosby and others speak about the ills of OUR community, it's not in a finger-pointing manner, blindly assigning blame and self-hatred to their own community. It's because THIS is the community about which they care and want to see succeed.
Why would Cosby mask his real issue to be politically correct? He has a right to his passion, as do we all, and he feels (as I do) that some black people are an embarassment to the community.
Now... can we please talk about some GOOD black folks? ;D
I'm in love.YOU get the BIG piece of chicken, on the grill, for this post :-*
I'm in love.YOU get the BIG piece of chicken, on the grill, for this post :-*
LOL!!! Thanks, :D but can we make it the BIG turkey wing? I don't eat chicken (or pork). :-\
Turkey wing? This ain't Thanksgivin'! >:( I'm still in love....BUT
*hands Big piece of chicken to b3wannab*
Herecrybaby! ;D
Well you got salmon then? LOL. And how you just gon' give it away that easily? I was gonna make him pay big bucks for that chicken.
a. Yea, I've got salmon (my favorite fish, BTW)
b. Because you came up in hea with all that turkey talk. Ya lost cool points for that one, sista!! >:(
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
a. Salmon's my second fave, but who grills tilapia? LOL.
b. I have a salmon glaze that'll make you change your mind about those cool points... ;D
Well you got salmon then? LOL. And how you just gon' give it away that easily? I was gonna make him pay big bucks for that chicken.
a. Yea, I've got salmon (my favorite fish, BTW)
b. Because you came up in hea with all that turkey talk. Ya lost cool points for that one, sista!! >:(
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
a. Salmon's my second fave, but who grills tilapia? LOL.
b. I have a salmon glaze that'll make you change your mind about those cool points... ;D
How good threads go bad, on the next: Maury Show
Anything beats all of those paternity tests!
Really? I LOVE those! Especially when a female says "I KNOW it's yours cuz I wuzn't WIT nobody else!"
"Well we're about to find out in a moment because the Paternity Test results are in.....In the matter of 6 month old Dijonaise, Daquan.....You are.....NOT the father!!!!!!"
OMGGGGG, y'all have me over here cracking up!!! RJ, Maury goes on your guilty pleasures list, dude. What on earth are you thinking admitting such a thing?!!! You may as well admit you still watch Jerry, too! LOL
Oh, and it's funny as heck when the girl denies ever having been with anyone else, but the funniest part of all is when she runs backstage and falls on the floor crying hysterically, as though she's utterly shocked... and then the unfather comes standing over her calling her all kinds of names.
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Dude, there's just SO many of them. And, they're the same; each and every time. It gets boring real quick. :-\
Well, I'm almost NEVER home during the day to watch, so that's why I haven't gotten bored with it yet.
To each his own I guess.
I was up in the barbershop one day, and they're watching Maury. These 2 barbers are sitting there listening to the story intently, so they can bet a $1 for who guesses the right babby's daddy. Ive seen it all.
Umm, hey Furious. I'm not tryna get all up in this, but can I just say this one thing?
You made two pretty valid points. But, have you considered that perhaps the reason Cosby (and those who agree with him) are lamenting about Blacks is that this is the (figurative) community in which they live? We ARE Black. We want our community to do better. We speak against black ignorance, black degenerates, black criminals, black baby machines, black welfare abusers, black deadbeat parents, black high school dropouts, black gangsters, black convicts, black drug dealers because THAT'S WHO WE CARE ABOUT. They are OUR children, offspring of OUR ancestors, living in OUR community. And whether we like it or not (and I'm sure many will disagree), we speak for each other. When the media reports a black man robbing a bank, that black man is a shame for the entire race. African-American culture is a collective community, a village, a family, whether we like it or not. When black people succeed, the entire race benefits from it. When blacks fail miserably, the entire race suffers.
Take this for example. How many times have you heard black people (whether jokingly or seriously) refer to the "fact" that white kids are the ones shooting up schools, and that this isn't a black crime? Or that white people kill their spouses? Or that white people embezzle hundreds of thousands from their companies?
Our society automatically groups different people based on race, sexual identity, weight, gender, religion, nationality. It's called stereotyping, and it's common, and in many cases unavoidable. When Cosby and others speak about the ills of OUR community, it's not in a finger-pointing manner, blindly assigning blame and self-hatred to their own community. It's because THIS is the community about which they care and want to see succeed.
Why would Cosby mask his real issue to be politically correct? He has a right to his passion, as do we all, and he feels (as I do) that some black people are an embarassment to the community.
Now... can we please talk about some GOOD black folks? ;D
Larue and J31. I respect your point of views. I am a christian and love when I can defer to what's written in the bible for guidance. However there are scriptures that speak to my words. Jesus told us to love one another. The ten commandments tells us to love our neighbor as ourself. Jesus even went further by saying that this was the greatest of the commandments! This principle governs every situtation that we have all eloquently made points about.
Larue, your statements about blacks being concerned about each other is a very old tradition that is still relevant to this generation. That's something I believe that should continue. I can also see the detriment of only highlighting black degenerates as apart of the old paradigm of demonizing blacks while white degenerates still get a pass for their destructive behavior. Have you ever heard Cosby or any other so called conservative speak this passionately about crime as a whole? The answer is NO!! Where was Cosby when Enron happened? Where were the conservatives when 30 years ago EIN #'s were being issued to undocumented workers? No one what's to mention these facts but I digress...
Conservatives such as Limbaugh has been quoted on his show for saying that drug dealers or users should have the book thrown at them but when he was caught abusing pain killers, then his tune changed. Where was the public outrage? Where was the outrage from "conservatives"? In essence, LaRue you have echoed my diagnosis of us being damaged by a past system that taught us to view blackness as evil and whiteness as right. What about judging people by the content of their character? We love to march on King Day but we forget the core values of what he stood for. Conservatives are even bigger hypocrites because their leadership in the 60's hated King with a passion. Now they say that King would be appalled with all of the "blacks" who have an entitlement mentality!!! The slave trade was about entitlement of a certain lifestyle. The shipment of drugs to urban and rural ghettos were an upgrade from the plantation and sharecropping. Ever heard of the french connection. Wikipedia it and get a bang out of life. It is unfortunate to beat the degenerates of our community down without implicating the otherside. Jesus dimissed the woman caught in the act because they didn't bring the man that was involved. Chew on that for a moment.
guess you guy have never read the Declaration of Independence. If you ever read the document you'd find a exerpt that says that all men are created equal and are endowed by the creator with ineliable rights to the pursuit of prosperity and the pursuit of happiness. Sounds like entitlement to me. So since when are black people the only ones to with an entitlement mentality? The Rich elite thrive because their sense of entitlement of others to serve them with their lives and resources. The bible teaches us that the world is on a downward spin and not a spiritual utopia that most champion in pulpits, self help books and get rich quick schemes that pose as infomercials. Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand will get you fired from most churches. One would definetly be shown the door in the secular world... The very elect is being decieved!!! The Saga continues...
I respect your point of views. I am a christian and love when I can defer to what's written in the bible for guidance. However there are scriptures that speak to my words. Jesus told us to love one another. The ten commandments tells us to love our neighbor as ourself. Jesus even went further by saying that this was the greatest of the commandments! This principle governs every situtation that we have all eloquently made points about.I tend to agree with Furious and some with LaRue. Here are my thoughts.
Larue, your statements about blacks being concerned about each other is a very old tradition that is still relevant to this generation. That's something I believe that should continue. I can also see the detriment of only highlighting black degenerates as apart of the old paradigm of demonizing blacks while white degenerates still get a pass for their destructive behavior. Have you ever heard Cosby or any other so called conservative speak this passionately about crime as a whole? The answer is NO!! Where was Cosby when Enron happened? Where were the conservatives when 30 years ago EIN #'s were being issued to undocumented workers? No one what's to mention these facts but I digress...
Conservatives such as Limbaugh has been quoted on his show for saying that drug dealers or users should have the book thrown at them but when he was caught abusing pain killers, then his tune changed. Where was the public outrage? Where was the outrage from "conservatives"? In essence, LaRue you have echoed my diagnosis of us being damaged by a past system that taught us to view blackness as evil and whiteness as right. What about judging people by the content of their character? We love to march on King Day but we forget the core values of what he stood for. Conservatives are even bigger hypocrites because their leadership in the 60's hated King with a passion. Now they say that King would be appalled with all of the "blacks" who have an entitlement mentality!!! The slave trade was about entitlement of a certain lifestyle. The shipment of drugs to urban and rural ghettos were an upgrade from the plantation and sharecropping. Ever heard of the french connection. Wikipedia it and get a bang out of life. It is unfortunate to beat the degenerates of our community down without implicating the otherside. Jesus dimissed the woman caught in the act because they didn't bring the man that was involved. Chew on that for a moment.
guess you guy have never read the Declaration of Independence. If you ever read the document you'd find a exerpt that says that all men are created equal and are endowed by the creator with ineliable rights to the pursuit of prosperity and the pursuit of happiness. Sounds like entitlement to me. So since when are black people the only ones to with an entitlement mentality? The Rich elite thrive because their sense of entitlement of others to serve them with their lives and resources. The bible teaches us that the world is on a downward spin and not a spiritual utopia that most champion in pulpits, self help books and get rich quick schemes that pose as infomercials. Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand will get you fired from most churches. One would definetly be shown the door in the secular world... The very elect is being decieved!!! The Saga continues...