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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: trill on August 26, 2004, 05:00:11 PM
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i know these videos havent came out yet but i reall want to know whtch one to get. jama hartwells worship and contemporary gospel or jermaine griggs worship dvd. i looked at the trailer on jamals and it looked tight but looks can be deciveing i just wan to know whitch one you thin will be better.
trill
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Both of them are very good, very gifted musicians. Both anointed, very good teachers and I get a lot out of both of their websites. I have ordered Bro Griggs' materials myself. I'll order Bro Jamal's when I get a chance.
Be Blessed . . . .
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Brother Jamal all the way
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And their websites are?
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Jamal Hartwell...i think is:
www.gospelkeyboard.com
http://www.jamalhartwell.com/
Jermaine Griggs... i think is:
http://www.hearandplay.com
BRANDON
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Good question, because my heart was set on jamal's video but I am a customer of Jermaine bought 2videos already via creditcard took 3weeks to get 2 South Africa.
So the bottom line is I am waiting to see what Jermaine's videos will look like and see what will be coverd before I make a decision.
But I must add Jamal Gospel Video tutorials is making a break through in technology the way it has been done, it seem like one of these days we (beginners/Inter) students don't have to attend music classes anymore.
I will defnitely get both videos/dvd because what they teach us in the dvd will take you 1-5 years to learn in music classes.
Mike(South Africa)
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I have purchased Jermaine Griggs' tapes before and they were extremely informtative and easy to follow. I have seen some of the free vids you can get from Jamal's site and his were great also. But, I liked Jermaine's more.
Also, you could try Hammondmans vids and the vids he makes personally for you at your request. Those were extremely helpful also.
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hammondman's...................aljeres.......................ddwe..........wannabe's.............lisa's.................ect..... ..................
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PERSONALLY, I WOULD SUGGEST JERMAIN GRIGGS'S VIDEOS WITH NO REGRET. I AM AWAITING HIS 202 SERIES WHICH COMES OUT WEDNESDAY 09/01/2004! GRIGGS BREAKS ALL OF THE INFORMATION DOWN CLEAR AND PLAINLY. MOREOVER, HIS CHARACTER IOR PERSONALITY IN HIS VIDEOS IS A EVERDAY APPROACH AND HE ACTS AS IF HE IS TALKING TO YOU ON THE STREET. AS FAR AS JAMAAL, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF HIS MATERIAL YET, AND PLAN ON GETTING HIS NEW ONE TO BE RELEASED AS HE AND I HAVE SPOKE ABOUT. OH YES, AND HAMMONDMAN IS OFF THE HOOK MOST DEFINITELY TOO!
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So for a biginner which one would you say, I say Griggs. i mean my boy Jermaine is tight too. I think griggs for priase songs and jermaine for worship songs. what you guys think
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I think griggs for priase songs and jermaine for worship songs. what you guys think
I guess u mean Jamal Hartwell for worship songs right :D :D
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HAHAHA YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT, HAHA. THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION
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whs... I appreciate the post of the sites, I didn't know Jamal Hartwell had a site or a new dvd release (guess I work to much :D ). Thanks to all.
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Jamal Hartwell all the way. I ordered Griggs before Christmas and it wasn't until the middle of Feb. before I received my videos, but they're ok.
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Anymore reviews or opinions on this topics?
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I'd would have to say get them both, but if you are looking to add flavor to your playing then go with Jamal's DVD. Also keep and eye out for Jason Aguilar who has played, recorded and produced several albums to be putting out a piano DVD.....
God Bless You,
jayzee
www.gospelmusictrain.com
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J,
I appreciate the response, how about for someone who is a straight beginner? Which DVD would be better? Or is there another thing out there that would be benecial for a straight beginner?
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Then yes go with any of the Hear and Play material. I have them all and all of them are definitely beginner material. Hope that helps....
God Bless You,
jayzee
www.gospelmusictrain.com
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It definitely helped, if any other people have opinions on Jermaine Griggs and Jamal Hartwell's dvd, please share.
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I also think they are both good dvds, but Jermaine's is definitely better for beginners.
Laura
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I have Hartwell's DVD. I found the DVD be a excellent for learning how to add more color to your voicings, particularly if you go beyond the DVD and look at the chords he provides on the accompanying CD. However, I was a little disappointed that he doesn't explain the theory behind the chords. For example, I want to know if a chord is a B7/E or a B7alt or whatever. I'm already familiar with knowing how to add flavor to a chord by ear. However, I'm more interested learning the theory behind why the flavor sounds good. Hartwell's DVD explains the "how" but not the "why". Maybe I'm missing something fromt he DVD. Perhaps someone else can chime in here.
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Bro. Griggs is actually selling Bro. Hartwells video as the gospel keys generation X video. He terms Bro. Hartwell as Mr. H. Also I will say that he is offering a decent price to buy a combination of all of his videos. I just ordered the entire set of videos...202..101...300...and generation x series. I gave the 101 series to a little girl who always wanted me to teach her to play...but I found the other videos to be very good...some of the tricks I already knew but still the videos were well worth the price....all four for 151...after shipping and handling...
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I have Hartwell's DVD. I found the DVD be a excellent for learning how to add more color to your voicings, particularly if you go beyond the DVD and look at the chords he provides on the accompanying CD. However, I was a little disappointed that he doesn't explain the theory behind the chords. For example, I want to know if a chord is a B7/E or a B7alt or whatever. I'm already familiar with knowing how to add flavor to a chord by ear. However, I'm more interested learning the theory behind why the flavor sounds good. Hartwell's DVD explains the "how" but not the "why". Maybe I'm missing something fromt he DVD. Perhaps someone else can chime in here.
I should add that I thoroughly understand theory, including the Circle of 5ths. However, I am interested in the theory behind Hartwell's chords specifically. Hartwell didn't have to provide a detailed explanation. A simple naming of the chords (e.g., "Bb7" or "Gm7alt" or whatever) would have sufficed. I get the feeling that maybe Hartwell doesn't even have names for the chords. He has left it up to the viewer to figure it out. That's OK, I can guess the chords. Although, I'd rather like to know what Hartwell considers the chords to be.
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So it sounds like I shouldn't even touch Jamal's DVD until I understand Gospelkeys 101? Is that a good assessment? Because I'm now learning theorey taking classical lessons.
I'm only asking because I don't have the necessary funds to get all or even 2 dvds now..
I would rather learn the urban/jazz/r&B gospel sound, than the traditional.
So my question is..if someone doesn't know anything, or maybe been learning for a couple of months, would a beginner be alright with jamal's dvd?
Trust me, if i had the money, i'll get it all.
Or is their any other instructional dvds out there?
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So it sounds like I shouldn't even touch Jamal's DVD until I understand Gospelkeys 101? Is that a good assessment? Because I'm now learning theorey taking classical lessons.
I'm only asking because I don't have the necessary funds to get all or even 2 dvds now..
I would rather learn the urban/jazz/r&B gospel sound, than the traditional.
So my question is..if someone doesn't know anything, or maybe been learning for a couple of months, would a beginner be alright with jamal's dvd?
Trust me, if i had the money, i'll get it all.
Or is their any other instructional dvds out there?
If you want to understand theory, in my opnion, you should not start with Hartwell's DVD because his DVD skips over basic theory. However, if you want that urban/jazz/R&B sound, you're going to want to check out Hartwell's DVD. You can have that sound you're trying to achieve without understanding theory; plenty of good musicians are like that. If you want to understand the fundamentals, and be able to come up with your own chord alterations, you should understand theory. Gospelkeys 101 provides teachings on fundamental theory, while Harwell's DVD does not. Hartwell says his DVD is for beginners, but if you don't understand at least some theory, you won't understand why the chords Hartwell lays out for you sound so tight. You'll just be mimicking.
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thanks...i appreciate the insight, anymore opinions is helpful..
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Is no one at all bothered by Hartwell's misnaming chords? I'm not just talking about his misspelling them (e.g. there is no Ab in a C#maj7 chord, that's a misspelling). Worse is to play a Bb-9 chord and call it a C#maj7 and not seem to know the difference. The root/bass note defines the chord. Some of the other stuff like crossing fingers when there is no need also bothered me. The chords were cool and the voicings were very cool but listening to him speak was tedious.
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Is no one at all bothered by Hartwell's misnaming chords? I'm not just talking about his misspelling them (e.g. there is no Ab in a C#maj7 chord, that's a misspelling). Worse is to play a Bb-9 chord and call it a C#maj7 and not seem to know the difference. The root/bass note defines the chord. Some of the other stuff like crossing fingers when there is no need also bothered me. The chords were cool and the voicings were very cool but listening to him speak was tedious.
The left most note (or bass) does not necessarily define the chord. For example for an F7, you could play an A (the 3rd) or an Eb (the minor 7th) in the bass, and the chord will still sound fine. I think Hartwell may be doing such changes to the bass sometimes. The changes make applying theory to his chords difficult. So, I want him to tell me what he considers the names of the chords to be. I think he alters a lot of the chords. I would rather that he explicitly says so. In the end, given the sound of his playing, theory must conform to his playing and not the other way around.
Generally, I'm really trying to put theory to his chords because they sound great and there's no doubt he's a superior player. So, don't get me wrong. I'm sincerely trying to give him his props. I just don't want to be mimicking him. I want to understand so that I can make my own similar alterations to chords.
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Actually, in the example I gave it does and does in most cases. An F7 chord with a note from the chord in the bass would have to be defined as such, e.g. F7/A. Theory doesn't conform to playing it merely explains it. My problem with the video is that most of what he says is incorrect. The playing's great but you'd do better to get a video by a real jazz musician and apply it to the music you're doing (or at least by someone who can articulate things better). My other problem with it is that as a teacher you have to be consistent in your demonstrations and not explain one thing slowly and then play something different when you play it at speed. I let another musician check it out and they said it gave them a headache. I told her to watch his hands and the keyboard examples and not listen to what he says and she'd be fine.
Any, as with anything we need to "Eat the hay and spit out the sticks".
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i don't know what you guys are explaining...Jamal's video can't be for true beginners.
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It isn't. Though I haven't checked them out U might want 2 try the hear and play videos.
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Actually, in the example I gave it does and does in most cases. An F7 chord with a note from the chord in the bass would have to be defined as such, e.g. F7/A. Theory doesn't conform to playing it merely explains it. My problem with the video is that most of what he says is incorrect. The playing's great but you'd do better to get a video by a real jazz musician and apply it to the music you're doing (or at least by someone who can articulate things better). My other problem with it is that as a teacher you have to be consistent in your demonstrations and not explain one thing slowly and then play something different when you play it at speed. I let another musician check it out and they said it gave them a headache. I told her to watch his hands and the keyboard examples and not listen to what he says and she'd be fine.
Any, as with anything we need to "Eat the hay and spit out the sticks".
I agree. I pretty much had the same thoughts after studying the DVD. A frustrating part about the DVD is that it's making me get involved with this discussion, which is not helping my playing. I want to improve my theoretical understanding of voicings rather than share points and counterpoints about the DVD.
By the way, if somebody played an F7 as ACEbF, I could still identify the chord as F7, and that wouldn't be wrong per se, just not as accurate as F7/A. With Hartwell's DVD, there's so many alterations that I don't think somebody could look at the bass and expect to define the chord that way. I think that many times he's putting a note other than the tonic in the bass. Look at the pdf files on the bundled CD and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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I would suggest the Hear and Play videos as well. I just received mine and after one viewing it cleared so much of the confusion up for me. I was actually able to play what he was teaching. He also goes slowly and explains what he's doing very thoroughly. I don't have Hartwell's DVD but I've seen a clip on his web sight and I have to say being a beginner I was pretty much lost.
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Jamal's DVD is good. It's just thgat he plays by feel instead of theory. To me (and Maybe Jamal TOO) theory is unnecessary. You don't haVE TO KNOW THE universal names for chords. I could just as easy name my notes 1 thru 12 instead of all the a,b,c stuff.
All in ALL
Theory
Who needs It?
the Prince
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Jamal's DVD is good. It's just thgat he plays by feel instead of theory. To me (and Maybe Jamal TOO) theory is unnecessary. You don't haVE TO KNOW THE universal names for chords. I could just as easy name my notes 1 thru 12 instead of all the a,b,c stuff.
All in ALL
Theory
Who needs It?
the Prince
Prince,
Theory is necessary for many things, including composing, copyrighting, playing on other instruments more easily and sharing music with later generations. If Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and others hadn't written their stuff down, we'd have missed out on a huge part of that classical explosion in music history.
Theory is necessary if you really want to make money in music. Every student of music wants to learn from musicians who are tight on their instruments, right? I'm sure Jermaine Griggs can play exceptionally by ear. He's making money, however, because he can communicate his gift using theory.
Theory allows people who don't have a natural musical gift from God to enjoy the pleasures of making music and to train themselves to feel the music. Theory allows people with natural musical gifts, such as yourself, to communicate with others in a language everybody can understand.
Learning the current system of A, B, C, etc., is just as easy as naming the notes 1, 2, 3, etc., except simpler and less confusing. In your proposed system, what would you call the 3rd of Ab for example? Your system breaks down because communicating music requires multiple symbolic representations. Theory is not difficult to learn. You play be ear. Thus, if you were to learn theory, you, and especially you, would find yourself opened up to an exciting new world of creativity and potential.