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Gospel Instruments => General Music Hangout => Topic started by: maestro12 on August 13, 2007, 09:09:17 PM
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I have listened to his music and that style of vocal enhancement is off the chain! But how is it done and what are they using? Any body know?
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Welcome to the LGM family "maestro12"....Be Blessed.
PianoWiz...
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I believe he uses a computer program called Anatares Auto-tune... I also believe that KiKi Sheard uses the same thing... I have the program in my studio... If you know anything about computer recording (Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase, Cakewalk, etc.)... the program runs as a plugin vocal effect that automatically corrects any off notes in real-time (while the song is playing) based on a user-specified musical scale, if the rate of correction (in other words the speed/frequency in which the pitch corrector responds to an out of tune note) is set to a very fast speed it creates an unnatural, "robotic" type sound. When the effect is applied to each vocal track it creates a perfectly in tune harmony... If used on a solo vocal track... It creates an effect similar to R&B artist T-Pain.
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I wish they would STOP using those stupid harmonic effects.
It actually makes them sound Worse than they already do.
over embellishing show offs!!!!
why you have to go and pick that splinter in my toe!!!!
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I agree with kadman92.... I absolutely hate those stupid effects!!! I especially don't like KiKi sheard's harmonies-- they sound too robotic and non-melodic. Even though her vocals harmonize with one another, they don't sound natural and actually sound worse with the pitch correction. I feel like alot of contemporary gospel artists are losing that "soulful" sound in favor of a perfect sounding track. Besides--- It's cheating!!!
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Even Karen Clark-Sheard on her latest Cd is using that crap.
I don't know who to blame it on but somebody had to like it. It may be folk trying to sound like the hip hop generation to attract a younger audience.
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Come on yall, seriously, would yall buy one of their albums if the harmony sucked?
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I don't own neither of their albums... I have the "WoW gospel" CDs that happens contain songs by those artists... And I don't like their harmonies on those songs, therefore I would not buy any of their albums. But it's probably like kadman said, they are just trying to sound like the hip hop generation to attract a younger audience, and I just don't like it.
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i think that if they want to use that in secular music, go for it, but as far as gospel music goes, we can do without it. maybe if these artists spent more time trying to reach those who are lost and minister to those who are saved instead of trying sell a trillion records, maybe this old world might be a better place.................................. ...i dont know just my thoughts on the gospel music business....
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waitaminit, waitaminit.....
let's not lump a software tool as being "secular". All it is is a piece of software.
Thats like saying you cant use a distortion pedal in a gospel tune cuz the rockers did it first, or using brushes on a gospel tune cuz the jazz cats did it first.
I agree auto-tune is annoyingly overused, but its just an innovation in technology.
Remember, Laurens Hammond's organ wasnt welcome in the church at first, as well as guitars, and drums. now look. cant have chu'ch without 'em/
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My whole point is that i feel that using "auto-tune" takes away the "soulful" sound from the music. Some of KiKi's and J-Moss' just don't have that gospel feel, u know, the one that gives you the chills?
When KiKi song that song with Karen years ago, I felt the anointing.... it almost brought me to tears. but now it seems that as contemporary gospel becomes more popular, the emphasis on a "perfect vocal performance" seems to be more important than just singing straight from the heart.
I am not condemning the use of innovative technology, I'm just hoping that contemporary gospel doesn't one day dominate the gospel music genre.
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ok, im gonna start something......
define "gospel".
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I don't own neither of their albums... I have the "WoW gospel" CDs that happens contain songs by those artists... And I don't like their harmonies on those songs, therefore I would not buy any of their albums.
U just proved my point. I bet if their harmonies were good you would probably buy their albums. The fact that they used auto-tune would be irrelevant if it sounded good, right?
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U just proved my point. I bet if their harmonies were good you would probably buy their albums. The fact that they used auto-tune would be irrelevant if it sounded good, right?
It would be irrevelant if the harmonies sounded natural, but they don't (well, to me they don't).... Listen to some of the music by KiKi- Listen to some of her background vocals... for example the song "Never" or her song off of the WOW Gospel 2006, I forgot the name of it. In my opinion, (just my opinion, I don't speak for everyone) her vocals sound too robotic-- They are not out of tune or anything, but I just don't find her or J-Moss' background vocal harmonies to be soulful in my opinion.
I'm not bashing the use of auto-tune... I'm just bashing the way the music industry abuses it. If it were used in such a way that sounded natural and not in a way that sounded "auto-tuned"... I'd be perfectly fine with it...
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ok, im gonna start something......
define "gospel".
I get your point... Whether it's contemporary gospel, traditional gospel, southern gospel, chinese gospel... As long as it's about sharing the Good News, It's all "gospel".
By-the-way-- I didn't really mean that I wouldn't by their albums(sorry I told a lie :'()... That J-Moss album is off da chain!!! ;D
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By-the-way-- I didn't really mean that I wouldn't by their albums(sorry I told a lie :'()... That J-Moss album is off da chain!!! ;D
EXACTLY, all both of them!!!
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I get your point... Whether it's contemporary gospel, traditional gospel, southern gospel, chinese gospel... As long as it's about sharing the Good News, It's all "gospel".
By-the-way-- I didn't really mean that I wouldn't by their albums(sorry I told a lie :'()... That J-Moss album is off da chain!!! ;D
TROOF...
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I am a fan of J. Moss' work as well, but he really overdoes it with the Auto-tuner. I have used it on a demo that I produced as well. But I used it for the vocoder type effect when you turn it all the way up. It's a decent tool, but it has become a tool of laziness in my opinion. Instead of making someone do it until they get it right like back in the day, they just click a few times and fix it. I'll be listening to music with my lady and I'll say they are using auto-tuner. She'll be like "what are you talking about?" Then I'll try to get her to hear it. It's getting so bad now that they are using the auto-tuner on live TV. If you listen real close you can tell.
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Mane, there was some award show that i was watching, and sho'nuff, i head Auto tune LIVE.(its a hardware unit as well) i was like dang, Fantasia is kinda too perfect tonite, then i heard it again.
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check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jPIyY_t54 at about the 1:27 mark you can perfectly hear auto tune in effect.... I also noticed that there are 3 singers backing him up, and they kinda sound like J-Moss singing his own background vocals at three different pitches.
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check this out... [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jPIyY_t54[/url] at about the 1:27 mark you can perfectly hear auto tune in effect.... I also noticed that there are 3 singers backing him up, and they kinda sound like J-Moss singing his own background vocals at three different pitches.
It is J. Moss' vocals there. I think their real purpose was to dance.
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Remember
The voice is also an instrument... if peeps aren't out the box with vocal enhancements.. what about Guitar enhancements or Keyboard enhancements... it comes in full circle...
I think we need to get out of the Box with music... so if you want to sing with a Vocoder then do so.. if you want to use Auto-tune or Melodyne... go head... just make sure your stuff is HOT!... Who cares about singing these days anyway? most Gospel improper technique or hoarse belting hollin anyway...LOL ;D so what's the difference...
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singin wid a vocoder as a style, thats one thing. (i LOOOOOOVE ROGER TROUTMAN)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQfZRRRo_8A
singin to hide the fact that u be off pitch, that sumphin else.
Note: J. Moss CAN sing very well. dude got pipes.
but ya got a LOTTA peeps that cant and use AT to cover that.
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but ya got a LOTTA peeps that cant and use AT to cover that.
according to the number #1 hit maker in R&B this is what he had to say...
"You gotta sing in a certain tone of voice," he added, explaining how to use the device properly. "You gotta sing in a key that's between off-key and on key. You have to sing a half of a note. Some people are like, 'Let me put this on my voice and it'll sound good.' I think the only [other] person that could use it without my permission is R. Kelly."
It's so many people that can sing [who are using it]. What's to hide? It's nothing to hide. To me, sounding good ain't important — it's song content and feeling. You don't have to be able to sing. A lot of people are paying attention to looks and sound. In the old school, you barely had to sing at all. You just have to talk on your intro, go through and scream and you got a song.
"I could care less," he added about the criticism. "It's making me money."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1568538/20070829/t_pain.jhtml
i thought that was funny... but it just shows you how people are thinking these days....
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u kno, while it is funny, it's to the chagrin of the musician in me.
It's like usin tha transpose button for some people.
(altho guitarists do it all the time with "capos"..)
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u kno, while it is funny, it's to the chagrin of the musician in me.
It's like usin tha transpose button for some people.
(altho guitarists do it all the time with "capos"..)
don't u just love double standards and unwritten rules... :D hehehe
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Karen and J moss are Cousins its natural that they cheat together as a family.
LOLOLOL
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Karen and J moss are Cousins its natural that they cheat together as a family.
LOLOLOL
For the record, I've seen Jmoss live in a "small venue atmosphere" and I was working with the sound technicians. Dude's voice is for real. He may use autotune, but he can really sing. I thought he was only a "studio" vocalist mself but when he showed up and did his thing, He completely changed my mind.
Now if he would only start singing songs for grown folks instead of teenagers, we wold be getting somewhere
Jlewis
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i personally don't like J Moss singing because his harmonizing voice sounds so "robotic"; i really don't like it. I mean the best thing to do is train up your voice and use multi tracking programs to create a harmonizing sound. All you need is a mic though.
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check this out... [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jPIyY_t54[/url] at about the 1:27 mark you can perfectly hear auto tune in effect.... I also noticed that there are 3 singers backing him up, and they kinda sound like J-Moss singing his own background vocals at three different pitches.
i noticed that in 1:57 of the video, those background vocal guys just did the snap dance, which is very popular in Hip-Hop.
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sorry i meant 1:51.
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I am a fan of J. Moss' work as well, but he really overdoes it with the Auto-tuner. I have used it on a demo that I produced as well. But I used it for the vocoder type effect when you turn it all the way up. It's a decent tool, but it has become a tool of laziness in my opinion. Instead of making someone do it until they get it right like back in the day, they just click a few times and fix it. I'll be listening to music with my lady and I'll say they are using auto-tuner. She'll be like "what are you talking about?" Then I'll try to get her to hear it. It's getting so bad now that they are using the auto-tuner on live TV. If you listen real close you can tell.
Ain't nothin wrong with an Auto-tuner. My TV has one and my reception is crystal cl....
Wait, wait. Ok, just read the post. Nevamind.
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i noticed that in 1:57 of the video, those background vocal guys just did the snap dance, which is very popular in Hip-Hop.
yup... they sure did, lol!!!!
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Actually, I think them background dudes are straight up lip syncing. The background vocals sound exactly like JMoss. And all that dancing and lean wit it/rock wit it and not hearing anyone puffing in the microphone........ sounds like lip syncing to me.
Jlewis
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Actually, I think them background dudes are straight up lip syncing. The background vocals sound exactly like JMoss. And all that dancing and lean wit it/rock wit it and not hearing anyone puffing in the microphone........ sounds like lip syncing to me.
Jlewis
I agree 100%, those are definitely J-Moss' background vocals--- I think their real purpose was to dance.
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I agree 100%, those are definitely J-Moss' background vocals--- I think their real purpose was to dance.
I haven't seen the video (youtube is blocked at work) So many live shows have tracks going with them including vocals. I remember seeing an Usher show on video and it was quite obvious. I would think if you're going to use vocal tracks, have the background singers use their own voices. I guess these artist are making money and the general public doesn't seem to care so why should they.