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Title: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on August 29, 2007, 03:02:40 PM
If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for that church?
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: PianoWizard on August 29, 2007, 03:48:00 PM
To be honest I wish I knew what it felt like to be a paid musician. I have always played for free so my answer is obviously yes.... :).

PianoWiz...
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: cas10a on August 29, 2007, 04:05:31 PM
I've been paid before and played for free...so I guess, my answer is...yes
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on August 29, 2007, 04:07:28 PM
Quote from: cas10a on August 29, 2007, 04:05:31 PM
I've been paid before and played for free...so I guess, my answer is...yes

Co Sign!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Ramar on August 29, 2007, 04:08:42 PM
I know it's a yes or no question, but I gotta explain myself....

Yes, provided that all my needs are being met at home... But on the other hand, if the money i was paid at church was being used to take care of my needs... then I'd have to take a second job, which may (or may not) mean that I won't be available for all the rehearsals and services.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: MissRiss on August 29, 2007, 04:10:49 PM
Yes, I would continue to play. I've played on and off over the years and have gotten paid a little something. However, this time although they offered me something, I told them they didn't have to so we could build up our music department with other things. They take up an offering for me each month however.

I think it may depend on if you are an actual member of the church or were you an outside hire. I'm a member of my church so I feel that I should offer whatever talents I have to the church.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: musician_organist on August 30, 2007, 04:56:45 PM
For my home church, I would continue to play, but not break my back for them, if they stopped paying me.  As it is, they don't pay me now, so I don't stress.  There are four musicians at our church, and out of those 4, I'm the one who's never been "installed" as a musician and I am not paid, though at times, I feel like I could pull the weight of two.  I don't consider myself one of the musicians for my church.  Our audio/visual department is very short handed on workers, so whenever I'm needed there, I let it take priority.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: jgause2 on August 31, 2007, 09:47:29 PM
i was playing BEFORE  i got paid.....and was just fine with it.   I am grateful that I do get compensated....but i wouldn't quit playing! 
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on September 01, 2007, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: jgause2 on August 31, 2007, 09:47:29 PM
i was playing BEFORE  i got paid.....and was just fine with it.   I am grateful that I do get compensated....but i wouldn't quit playing! 

Well, Spoken!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: PianoWizard on September 02, 2007, 04:03:20 AM
Quote from: jgause2 on August 31, 2007, 09:47:29 PM
i was playing BEFORE  i got paid.....and was just fine with it.   I am grateful that I do get compensated....but i wouldn't quit playing! 

INDEED….If only everyone would take this position.  I know in our church there are musicians who would have played without getting paid but now since they get compensated for there efforts they don’t play unless they are getting paid to do so.

PianoWiz...
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: praisingGodthroughmusic on September 03, 2007, 04:40:37 PM
Yes...because what I do for Christ shall last....and plus I don't care about the money...I just enjoy doing what God has given me to do and that's play for the glory of God.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on September 04, 2007, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: PianoWizard on September 02, 2007, 04:03:20 AM
INDEED….If only everyone would take this position.  I know in our church there are musicians who would have played without getting paid but now since they get compensated for there efforts they don’t play unless they are getting paid to do so.

PianoWiz...


Co Sign!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on September 04, 2007, 10:40:15 PM
Quote from: praisingGodthroughmusic on September 03, 2007, 04:40:37 PM
Yes...because what I do for Christ shall last....and plus I don't care about the money...I just enjoy doing what God has given me to do and that's play for the glory of God.

So True, " Only what we do for Christ will last"!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: jonesl78 on September 06, 2007, 08:37:49 AM
I would not stop playing, but I would cut down my responsibilities by 75%.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: MrSparrow on September 06, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
I checked Not Sure...

If my church was going through a period of financial difficulty, I would be one of the many people who will take a period of not getting paid or even a pay cut. I wouldn't be the ONLY one. I would ask the Pastor to make the same sacrifice he would ask his "FOLLOWERS" to take.

If the church just doesn't value what I bring and just think that they can get better results from the money that they pay me, then I would leave.

The TITHES went to the LEVITES. The LEVITES had NO INHERITANCE. They lived off of what was brought to the TENT.

Feel me?

MrSparrow
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on September 06, 2007, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: MrSparrow on September 06, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
I checked Not Sure...

If my church was going through a period of financial difficulty, I would be one of the many people who will take a period of not getting paid or even a pay cut. I wouldn't be the ONLY one. I would ask the Pastor to make the same sacrifice he would ask his "FOLLOWERS" to take.

If the church just doesn't value what I bring and just think that they can get better results from the money that they pay me, then I would leave.

The TITHES went to the LEVITES. The LEVITES had NO INHERITANCE. They lived off of what was brought to the TENT.

Feel me?

MrSparrow

Good Points!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Keys410 on September 06, 2007, 06:07:25 PM
I haven't been paid yet and I started when I was 9. So my answer is Yes. Now if my church was stable enough to pay me and didn't I would be a little tight but wouldn't stop because I do it for God. But the stuff I buy for my equipment isn't cheap.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Steelpulz on September 10, 2007, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: MrSparrow on September 06, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
I checked Not Sure...

If my church was going through a period of financial difficulty, I would be one of the many people who will take a period of not getting paid or even a pay cut. I wouldn't be the ONLY one. I would ask the Pastor to make the same sacrifice he would ask his "FOLLOWERS" to take.

If the church just doesn't value what I bring and just think that they can get better results from the money that they pay me, then I would leave.

The TITHES went to the LEVITES. The LEVITES had NO INHERITANCE. They lived off of what was brought to the TENT.

Feel me?

MrSparrow
I'm in MrSparrow's camp on this one. Whether i play or not depends on the reason for the pay cut. If the Church is suffering a hardship, is the pain shared by everyone or just the musicians.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: nessalynn77 on September 10, 2007, 06:55:40 PM
I haven't reached paid status yet, so I don't know for sure what I'd do.  I do know that I enjoy playing and it has nothing to do with money, so I assume I would continue to enjoy it, unless of course this was how I made my living.  Then I would have to find something else on the side, which would decrease my availability as someone already stated.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Lilfingers on September 18, 2007, 11:05:33 AM
Was in the past---only peanuts---but didn't complain--didn't matter--  Not getting paid now!!!! Still just as dedicated!   Wish I can say that about others at my church and in my choir!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: LaylaMonroe on September 18, 2007, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: MrSparrow on September 06, 2007, 05:01:01 PM

The TITHES went to the LEVITES. The LEVITES had NO INHERITANCE. They lived off of what was brought to the TENT.

Like it or not, that's just Bible right there.  Many churches like to pretend that ain't even IN the Word...
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: demikoo on September 21, 2007, 06:41:08 PM
There was a period of time that my church stopped paying me because of financial diffulculties.  I don't think it should even be a question about my faithfulness to them.  They are my family and ground zero for my ministry.  So I kept playing and never missed a beat.  I did, however, help out another church that needed a musician to recoup some income.  Thankfully, God worked it out that eventually my church was able to pay me what I was making prior and add a little bit more to it.   ;D
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: B_XALTED on September 30, 2007, 09:46:38 PM
Yes
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ronald on October 03, 2007, 07:33:34 PM
Sorry to say, but no.  where I live and the distance to the church my fare is $34.00 for Friday rehersal and sunday morning service. SO therefore I could not afford the car fare. Nor could I buy cd's and songbooks to teach the choir songs. I also pay my bills with the money I get from playing for church. If I could get a part time job on the outside making the same money, then I would play now and then for nothing but not travel as far.



Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: chevonee on October 04, 2007, 06:36:46 AM
Whether I get paid or not, I'm never going to stop playing. Playing music is not just a job for me, it's my passion. Music is my DNA...LOL
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Minmusic77 on October 04, 2007, 09:51:18 AM
Honestly, probably not.  I teach two choirs and I play for the praise and worship team.  This is a lot of work as you have to prepare material, come to rehearsals and then play for services, a lot of times all day sunday.  There is nothing in the Bible that states that someone should not receive money for their services, so...
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Sannysan1908 on October 04, 2007, 07:46:47 PM
I'm saying yes -- because it has been done in the past; as a matter of fact it has been said your pay is NOT here on this earth!!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Sannysan1908 on October 04, 2007, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: Minmusic77 on October 04, 2007, 09:51:18 AM
There is nothing in the Bible that states that someone should not receive money for their services, so...

Yes...it's in the Bible....only two positions... - the preacher (Pastor) and the musician....Got to find the scripture/verses.....
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: GUTCH on October 08, 2007, 06:55:05 AM
what's getting paid lol. i've been playing for 15 yrs now and never seen any money and it doesn't matter to me. music is my passion and my talent is dedicated for God's service. everytime i see His power come in and the people get blessed i'm overwhelmed. things weren't that way before i joined this church. i give God my best in time spent preparing for morning worship. the Lord bless me in other ways and that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: derrickford on October 17, 2007, 12:49:26 PM
i  would play for my home church and my wife church for free. if the pay stop but not for noone else unless its for a sr choir or kids choir
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: jgause2 on October 18, 2007, 08:07:53 AM
i still don't understand why this would be an issue.   What ever happened to "doing it because you love the Lord"?
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: KurzLand on October 24, 2007, 01:01:41 AM
My answer right now is I don't know, because i am not getting paid.

When I was 13-18 getting paid really didn't matter. But, now that I am going to school that is 1 hour away and church that is 1 and a half hour away then getting paid is an issue. Not because I love money, but because of gas and other expensives that parents don't pay for you no more. I will be 20 in december and mommy doesn't buy clothes for me anymore. Plus my goal is to live off music and didicate my life and ministry to God.
There are big plans to open up a christian studio with a couple of friends. That will be my full time job. So yes, I think in the near future I will ask to get paid.

Quote from: jgause2 on October 18, 2007, 08:07:53 AM
i still don't understand why this would be an issue.   What ever happened to "doing it because you love the Lord"?

Everybody started playing because we love God. Now, some of the people in here play for fun and as a hobby. Then there are some of us, including me, that want to take our talents and ministry to a different level.



 
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: fretai03 on October 24, 2007, 11:55:02 PM
I answered No.

Mostly because... If the church who was previously paying couldn't pay me anymore then I wouldn't play for them for free.

I would happily play for free at my home church tho... ;D
Difference being that my home church will NEVER pay for a music ministry anyway so.. meh. ;D
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: demusicman on November 02, 2007, 04:19:06 AM
Quote from: MrSparrow on September 06, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
I checked Not Sure...

If my church was going through a period of financial difficulty, I would be one of the many people who will take a period of not getting paid or even a pay cut. I wouldn't be the ONLY one. I would ask the Pastor to make the same sacrifice he would ask his "FOLLOWERS" to take.

If the church just doesn't value what I bring and just think that they can get better results from the money that they pay me, then I would leave.

The TITHES went to the LEVITES. The LEVITES had NO INHERITANCE. They lived off of what was brought to the TENT.

Feel me?

MrSparrow

I checked unsure also and I whole heartedly agree with Mr. Sparrow. Currently I am a full-time student and full time minister of music. Has been very hard to accomplish especially with managing two churches and school. However because of my status as a student my sole income is from my salary. This money takes care of my rent bills and some student fees so it would be kind of hard for me to take that bullet. However, since I, like so many other musicians, started playing before I got paid. I would have no problem taking that cut or have my salary taken. As MrSParrow said if the church was going through a financial problems, i would be glad to sacrifice. However, it shouldnt just be the musicians taking the cut.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: organplaya04 on November 03, 2007, 05:12:21 PM
Hmm well I said yes I would continue to play, because I only play for one church which is my home church. I've never played for another church before ..so I can't say....but I mean I don't think I would let money come between that ...
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on November 05, 2007, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: chevonee on October 04, 2007, 06:36:46 AM
Whether I get paid or not, I'm never going to stop playing. Playing music is not just a job for me, it's my passion. Music is my DNA...LOL

Music is my DNA....(I like that)
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Lildrummaboy66 on November 15, 2007, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: praisingGodthroughmusic on September 03, 2007, 04:40:37 PM
Yes...because what I do for Christ shall last....and plus I don't care about the money...I just enjoy doing what God has given me to do and that's play for the glory of God.

Co-sign!! And to add to this I am not compensated now.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Neknek on November 20, 2007, 11:59:49 AM
I have played for FREE! - 20 yrs now-He is constantly blessings me!-and I thank him for it!-I look at the situation in this way-God anointed you with the gift-He charged nothing for it-Why?, because he chose you!!-You Owe Him!!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: tammyid on November 20, 2007, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: jgause2 on October 18, 2007, 08:07:53 AM
i still don't understand why this would be an issue.   What ever happened to "doing it because you love the Lord"?

AMEN!!!  I play for free.  I play b/c I love the Lord.  He's the reason.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Pianist84 on November 26, 2007, 10:26:03 PM
Yes, I would continue to play because God has blessed with the talent to play the piano and I want to use my talent. When I play at church, I'm doing it for God. It's not about the money. It's about using your talent to minister to other people. So whether I get paid or not, I will never stop playing the piano.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: rpking on December 03, 2007, 05:22:57 PM
For me, it's about relationships.  I grew in my home church musically and played for free for over a decade.  I later learned how "shady" and unfriendly the leadership is in my church, and I also learned how I'm not appreciated there.  Another SDA church asked me to play for them for $200/Saturday, so I left my home church for a year.  My home church asked me to come back, but I told them that they would have to pay me something if they wanted me back.  They are a large church of about 2000 members paying me $125/Saturday twice a month, and the other SDA church of less than 200 members pay me $200/Saturday twice a month.  :-[ I would have continued to play for free at my home church if the leaders would give compliments sometimes, or let me know how the church appreciates my service......it's not always about the money.  They are not kind, and unfortunately they are not spiritual.  Next year, I'll bounce around churches to try to find a new home.  If I were in situations like your situations, then I would play for free too, but not in my case....
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: minstrel71 on April 13, 2008, 06:00:24 PM
I started out playing for free and I would continue playing for free. 
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Dooley on May 04, 2008, 11:10:49 PM


This is an interesting topic...I don't see too many replies from the "big-wigs" who make a good $300-450 a sunday lol. 

I think that's mainly because  it would financially be difficult to.  I know myself, I play for all choirs, direct the mass choir, lead praise and worship, and lead the band...sooo...I would have to pick up a second job, leading me to not be able to rehearse with all these choirs leading to the demise of my music department because I'm carrying it. 

So, I would play when I could, but all those responsibilities would definitely not be taken care of properly.  My time is valuable these days.  However....First and foremost, I play for God.  So I would probably still continue to play on Sundays, but my week and saturday time spent at the church wouldn't be possible. 

I don't think its all about "getting paid" but moreso sometimes about appreciation.  Gas is high and lifted up, and I know sometimes at my church compliments are hard to come by, so I gladly receive my pay.

However...currently I'm at my home church.  I had left for a while because I moved away amongst some other reasons.  And I was Minister of Music at a Baptist Church.  Needless to say, as most baptist chuches do, they paid me very well.  And I did about 1/3 the work I do now.  When I returned to my home church, I received a significant pay-cut from the baptist church as well as from when I was at my church before.  But I was obedient to God and my pastor, and haven't complained about it yet. 

But my time is very valuable, and if you want your music department ran with excellence, unless disaster strikes, and you can't afford it, always give your musicians an honorarium, and be HONEST...its in the word!!!

Sorry that was so long...but that's my opinion!!  Take from it what you will!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Formuzik on May 09, 2008, 07:20:56 AM
Because I was moved to this area for the expressed purpose of serving as the Worship Pastor, which is a pastoral staff position, it would be unethical for me to continue playing or attending church here should they remove me from that position.  As a matter of fact, it would be unethical for me to stay in the area considering that this is not a major city.  When I was in Houston, it would large enough for me to stay without my presence affecting the ongoing ministry of the church had served or the people who attended there.  In this smaller city there would be too many crossed connections, so the answer is, "no, I would not continue playing." 

Pastor Starkovich
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: goodnmemphis on May 10, 2008, 11:48:13 AM
No.  And here's why.  I am a MEMBER of a church that only has one service, 2:00 p.m.  on Sundays.  Kinda odd, but we have about 1,200 folks that show up for one service.  I play for free.

At 10:00 a.m., I minister elsewhere.  That is NOT my home church.  They have no musicians that are "members".  Although we split hairs about whether musicians should be paid sometimes, it is unthinkable to ask someone to come to YOUR church, they're not a member, play and do it for free.  At the very least, gas is not free. 

A pastor might build his membership through teaching and evangelism.  If the church decided to stop paying him a salary, he may continue because that is HIS vision and his covenant with God.  But, would he spend just as much time building someone's church across town who he otherwise would have no affiliation?  No.

There are others on the payroll...I played for a church that had security watching cars on the parking lot.....an outsourced daycare/nursery person watching children under the age of 2 during service, lawn care providers, etc.  Should these people do it for free also?

So....now that I've explained my position....my answer is..."no"...if I am not a member it is understood from the beginning (spoken or unspoken) that salary is one reason I'm there.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on May 14, 2008, 11:23:58 PM
The is currently at over 72%  Yes,
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on May 22, 2008, 03:29:26 PM
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Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Revp98 on May 28, 2008, 02:07:21 PM
I have been playing for years for free. Wouldnt stop either. I think the question here should be compensated for playing. This is not a poll or anything, just ask yourself the question. Then ask yourself why are you playing to begin with? I know and have personally seen a lot of muscians who expect to get paid by the church for them to be doing God's work. A lot of them are studying God about as much as a monkey has wings. It has become a money business for many (not all). At my church there are only two paid positions: the organist and the drummer. But that was the Pastor's decision to do that. We have a guitarist, myself, sometimes a keyboard player. We don't complain. But note, I stated that it was the Pastor's decision to pay the two musicians, nobody asked or forced his hand. He does it to encourage them.  Be Blessed.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: csedwards2 on August 28, 2008, 11:52:07 PM
Yes Id continue, but my ears would be open like crazy for other opportunities
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Queendavid on August 29, 2008, 12:54:20 AM
Let your gift make room for you, I believe in give and He" gives back, I play for my church for free because it is s gift from God, but if they feel to compensate me then I know God has given it to me.


Be Bless
Denise
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Matt2008 on October 06, 2008, 08:42:56 AM
I just believe as a mom you should not get paid on a systematic scheldule.  Although a lot of responsibilty comes with the title too bad! Because I see more people jump to certain churches just to get the big bucks then when they (that church) tell you they have to chop some of your pay down, then moms get mad and leave.  If you are doing this for the glory of God and so your gift can be used and grow I encourage many not to go for the money.  It even feels better when you get a check out of the blue!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: under13 on October 06, 2008, 08:48:12 AM
Quote from: Matt2008 on October 06, 2008, 08:42:56 AM
  It even feels better when you get a check out of the blue!

I'd rather have consistency, than not know when my next check is coming.

Honesty, I dont know if i'd be able to play for free, I got bills to pay.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: malthumb on October 06, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
Actually, I'm in that situation now.

I play at my own church. I don't ask to get paid there.  But I also play at another church.  Early on they were paying me.  They've run out of budget for 2008.  They didn't have a bassist in the budget for 2008, but since I also play for an ad hoc group that is affiliated with the church, they asked if I would play with their main choir from time to time and offered to pay me for that.  Actually, there was one time earlier in the year where I felt like I played so poorly, I refused to accept payment.

Even though the Music Ministry has spent up its budget and cannot pay me, I still play there on some Sundays.  I just exercize additional freedom to attend and play the Sundays that are convenient for me.  I always make the Thursday rehearsal if I plan to play Sunday (and sometimes even if I don't plan to play).  They are constructing their 2009 budget to include paying for a bassist, so I'm good with that.

I don't mind playing for no pay because
Peace,

James
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Matt2008 on October 06, 2008, 05:52:35 PM
bro james GOD bless you because it is hard to find real musicians who can do that!! 
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Aiewould on October 20, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
Hello,

  This is a good topic and sensitive to me..I'm late in the reply but the question will always live in the fabric of the church. Yes, I would do it only if Everyone would have to that are paid with the exception of those that are on fixed income. I've been in Music ministry for 28 yrs. and God has blessed me and I enjoy the work. However, if the church is prosperously growing and/or responsiblities are increasing I would have to release or refuse additional responsibilites.

some more..

  There are lots of churches that don't understand the importance of Music ministry in the area of financial compensation. And when they don't understand it, it is neglected and abused. but EVERYONE in the music ministry should recieve an honorarium or something every once in a while. This should be standard to compensate and the musician should be held to a standard as well. The musician (if they are serious) should invest in themselves and be invested in by the church.. It is for the upbuilding the God's kingdom. Eventually if both church and musician take heed to these efforts, musicians would in most cases STAY at their home churches. In addition, Churches must use/challenge their potential musicians in some capacity in order to keep them. A musician will NOT stay where he isn't used properly..  ;)

Let's pray for it all..
 
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Womack on January 04, 2009, 12:18:43 AM
I must say that i am very surprised that so many of you play for free.  Sorry i can't say because i am still trying to learn to play, but yes i would play for nothing, because i know the Lord will take care of my needs.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: NJDBalla on January 15, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: under13 on October 06, 2008, 08:48:12 AM
I'd rather have consistency, than not know when my next check is coming.

Honesty, I dont know if i'd be able to play for free, I got bills to pay.
Yessuh! Me too. If  I played for free then it would be for my home church. But if I played anywhere else, then I want to see some cash flowing my way ;)
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: tobiustobi1 on January 23, 2009, 01:22:54 AM
Quote from: Ramar on August 29, 2007, 04:08:42 PM
I know it's a yes or no question, but I gotta explain myself....

Yes, provided that all my needs are being met at home... But on the other hand, if the money i was paid at church was being used to take care of my needs... then I'd have to take a second job, which may (or may not) mean that I won't be available for all the rehearsals and services.

I agree, Co-Sign....whatever!  THIS IS RIGHT!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Lilfingers on November 19, 2009, 08:38:09 AM
Yes, I have done it and will do it again!  I don't mind playing for free---I feel that my playing is not that great anyway; however, if it blesses someone and others enjoy it, I AM PAID!!!!!   God has blessed me with this talent---no matter how little or great---it all belongs to God!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ferrente on November 19, 2009, 09:06:23 AM
69.5%  Yes!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: JoanHall on November 20, 2009, 08:58:06 AM
In theory, yes.  The church where I serve as MOM is also the church where my membership is, and I would continue to work with the choir and/or play the organ if they stopped paying me.  But my situation is a bit different.  I also do some office work for the church and work as a part of the administration for the school that the church runs, and my compensation for those activities plus being MOM is all rolled into one piddly little salary.  So if they quit paying me, then I would still be the MOM, but that's the ONLY part I would keep doing.  And yes, I would probably be less effective at it because I would be working a full-time job somewhere else.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: kmccray on November 20, 2009, 11:58:20 AM
I would continue to play because I feel that this is a gift to be used for and by God.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: THE WOLFMAN on November 20, 2009, 04:40:52 PM
did it.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: sonicfoxbody on November 20, 2009, 08:24:46 PM
Yes, I would continue to play for free until I find somewhere else to play. So in a nutshell my answer is no.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: berbie on November 21, 2009, 05:58:11 AM
I played for several years at my church for no money and was glad to do so.  They started to pay me and now I think I should get paid. (smile). Seriously, if you are already being paid, you'd have to feel somewhat (disappointed)?) if you are told that you will no longer be paid. Especially if the money seemed to be there. I think almost anyone would wonder why and have concerns about it even if they continued to play. If there were offers from another church, one might consider them. Often it would not be the money but a perceived lack of consideration for one's playing skills or one's importance to the program.

I would have to think about it if I knew that the money was there and I was being paid already.  I would play for nothing and be satisfied if that was what I agreed to do at the onset and of my own accord.  Fr many, it is a job and pay is very important. They would have to change.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: smoovekeys on November 21, 2009, 08:06:09 AM
Yes I would definetly keep playing. My main reason for playing was for the up-building of God's Kingdom & a passion for music. The money was just a benefit..lol 
Don't worry about the money, if your in God's will, HE WILL PROVIDE.
 
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: DREICO on December 06, 2009, 12:33:52 AM
yes i would play for free.. but dont take advantage of me!!!!!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: sonicfoxbody on December 06, 2009, 06:45:16 AM
I wonder how many of you say yes you'll continue to play actually would continue to play.........



oooops did I just say that???  :o
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: churchyreal on December 06, 2009, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: ferrente on August 29, 2007, 03:02:40 PM
If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for that church?

For me it would depend on if I had a regular 8 to 5 job, my satisfaction with the church and how they've treat me as a musician. At this point no I wouldn't because of some of the issues I've went through with the music ministry. But at the same time I'm not an "all about the money" type person.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: shearkkpsi on December 11, 2009, 07:16:54 AM
Quote from: MrSparrow on September 06, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
I checked Not Sure...

If my church was going through a period of financial difficulty, I would be one of the many people who will take a period of not getting paid or even a pay cut. I wouldn't be the ONLY one. I would ask the Pastor to make the same sacrifice he would ask his "FOLLOWERS" to take.

If the church just doesn't value what I bring and just think that they can get better results from the money that they pay me, then I would leave.

The TITHES went to the LEVITES. The LEVITES had NO INHERITANCE. They lived off of what was brought to the TENT.

Feel me?

MrSparrow

Excellent Point. It's never been about the money for me. I love playing For the God and using this gift I have for his Glory. However, I've often been disappointed with the People that wanted to use me just becuase I have this view. Don't promise me something and then don't give me what you promised. There are churches that I will not play at because of this. It was not because there where hard times at the church......They just wanted to use a lie to get a Musician. I have played for Free (Currently) up to $400 a Sunday. I have never asked for a dime. However, if you say "You will be paid $.001 per service" ...then I expect what we agreed on. I can count Three of Four Churches that have Outstanding Balances with me....lol....
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: QCdrummer on December 11, 2009, 02:58:10 PM
I would still play, but my responsibilities would have to be lowered as well........
 You can't say "Hey, do you mind playing for free?" Then in the same breath say, "But I still need you hear Monday for praise team, Tuesday for youth choir, Wednesday for Bible study and Saturday for choir.....

Gas is expensive, then on top that musicians have to study the songs that the choirs are learning on thier own time, then learn the songs on thier own time. So its not like we are just playing on Sundays and then not coming back until the next Sunday. Most of us are not pros where we hear a song at 2 o'clock and can play it ver-batum by 2:15. A great deal of time and preparation go into being ready every single Sunday of the year. And if you are skillfully ready every Sunday of the year, that is worthy of some type of love token.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: berbie on December 11, 2009, 04:58:53 PM
QC, being a non-musician for 60 years, I know how people think relative to musicians.  They think that you can just automatically play any song because that is what they see you doing.   They think you can pick up anyone singing any song by playing a few notes.  They as a rule don't know and can't imagine that a polished musician has to spend hours practicing each week. They understand choir practice, but they think that the musician already has the knowledge and is just teaching the choir. They don't know you spent all week listening to Cd's and learning the songs before you came to choir rehearsal. If you really listen to the people, you will hear some of them say," All he does is come to choir rehearsal and show up for two hours on Sunday".   Based on that, they are given to think the musician is overpaid, or at worst, should not be paid. (the smaller the church, the more that thought prevails)

Now there are musicians that are able to automatically play any song, but that is not most of us.  Most of us have to prepare and constantly hone our skills. I know that I spend more time working at home than at
choir rehearsal(getting songs together and learning new ones as necessary and practicing overall).

I don't think (since I now know what is involved)that a person should feel at all guilty if he/she thinks that he should be compensated and that if not another location should be considered. Of course, if the money is not there, that is another matter.

You would just have to know why they stopped paying you.  The way that the money fit into your personal financial picture would also be a factor.  It would be hard to give an uncosidered yes or no.  I probably would continue to play in my current situation, but I am not sure.

 

Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: smoke182003 on December 16, 2009, 07:52:52 PM
i have a job and i make decent money. i dont depend on the church to do anything for me because i do it for God and the love of music. playing for the church is not a career decision for me. i know some people are career musicians and i respect that. i feel that if youre a member at the church then you should continue to do whatever it takes to build up your ministry
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: G-MAC on December 19, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
I was playing for free at my church. because I was told that the didn't have the money to pay 3 people. I was cool with that until 1 person that was getting paid move on. After she move on the church didn't try to give me anything. But they was still paying the ofter person, I have been playing for them for 2 years and they wont me to play because of my style of play. I got tired of been use by the church so I stop playing. Do you think I'm wrong?   
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Steelpulz on December 20, 2009, 01:19:45 AM
Quote from: G-MAC on December 19, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
I was playing for free at my church. because I was told that the didn't have the money to pay 3 people. I was cool with that until 1 person that was getting paid move on. After she move on the church didn't try to give me anything. But they was still the ofter person, I have been playing for them for 2 years and they wont me to play because of my style of play. I got tired of been use by the church so I stop playing. Do you think I'm wrong?   
No. They were not honest with you.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: j_norfor on December 22, 2009, 02:07:52 PM
Yes I would continue to play, but would be watchful on how the ministry is treating me as an important part of the ministry. I am in this position right now. The church I play at is in financial crisis, so they asked that I stopped getting paid. I agreed. On the otherhand, I am not a member there so I can choose to leave at anytime. My church does not start until 3pm, so I have the time to play for the other church at 11am. On the otherhand, the 11am church use to be my home church in which I played and did not recv payment, even when they could afford it. It comes down to one questions, is the church trying to get over on you. If you are doing a service that is typically paid and the minstry is financially able to pay you, then they should. That's my take on it.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: makinmusic4God on December 26, 2009, 11:35:42 PM
I came up out of the Black Muslim religion, and one day God touched at a local church one day. God called me to be His musician in that church. Mind you, I said His musician. All 5 of my self-taught years of playing, I never asked for a pay blessing from my church. They did give me a few donations here and there, but I opted to return them as my offerings to the church. As long as I am God's musician, and not my church's musician, I will forever play forever play for free. Ministering with music isn't a "job"!! It's a duty to be carried out by those M'sOM who have been called not as a volunteer. We need money, f'sho, but t's the root of ALL evil. Even as a you collect payments to carryout God's call. Be carefull with not knowng whether or not you've been called. It's a dangerous, hell bound situation to be in. Will He say: "Well Done!", or "I never knew you!"?

I'm New, and this is my very 1st post here.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Steelpulz on December 28, 2009, 05:25:55 PM
Quote from: makinmusic4God on December 26, 2009, 11:35:42 PM
We need money, f'sho, but t's the root of ALL evil. <<<<Are you sure about that??? I don't think so. Do you have scripture that says that?
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: under13 on December 28, 2009, 05:27:05 PM
lolz, I knew someone would point that out
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Steelpulz on December 28, 2009, 06:56:12 PM
Lol!! I thought money answered all things. (Eccl. 10:19)
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: under13 on December 28, 2009, 06:58:51 PM
What about the like of money? is that bad too? :D
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: malthumb on December 28, 2009, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: makinmusic4God on December 26, 2009, 11:35:42 PM
I.....
I'm New, and this is my very 1st post here.

Welcome to LGM!!!  Hopefully not your last post.

Peace,

James
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: giftedone88 on December 30, 2009, 08:12:33 AM
No, I feel if the musicians aren't getting paid-the pastor better be the only one getting paid. Music is an important part of services and so much goes into preparation and sacrifices to ensure a quality Sunday Worship Experience.

@ the same time if a church cant pay their musicians, then that means nobody else should b paid besides the pastor (ie: secretaries, admins, sextons, etc.) pay need to be cut or reduced... Believe it or not, next 2 the pastor ppl depend on music/Choir these days to pull the service

And this is issue really is based upon personal feelings of the musician as well. There's a spiritual side and a business side of Church... Just my 2cents
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: amstudiosproducer on January 05, 2010, 02:34:01 PM
I would continue to play for my ministry if they couldnt continue to give me a salary! Ministry should always be first, because when you give of yourself the Lord will take care of the rest!!!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: dereknae on January 06, 2010, 09:15:50 AM
Let me ask this question,Do you think most preachers would stop preaching if they didnt get paid????????? As for myself,see, I travel at least 35 min. to get to church,so would I stop playing for the Lord?,NO but I wo'nt play at that church..Also understand, I come from a big church with lots of money,doing big things....
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Lanesa on January 06, 2010, 06:00:42 PM
Yes, I would if God told me He was going to pay me. :) 

Sometimes you have ask yourself, the question, if my needs are already being met from employment or self employment, do I make the sacrifice so that I can minister deliverance through my music.

If i had to travel and be away from my family where it would require me to pay for food, hotel, etc out of my pocket, should the ministry be meeting my needs.

Most ministries pay their ministers of music. Those that can afford to do so. Those that can't just pray that someone will come along and continue to make the sacrifice. Believe it or not even the church is tax exempt but the IRS still considers the church as a business establishment.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: tim77901 on January 12, 2010, 07:01:47 AM
Yes because im not playing for the church im playing for the Lord 8).
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Skizo Frene on January 12, 2010, 08:21:57 AM
Quote from: tim77901 on January 12, 2010, 07:01:47 AM
Yes because im not playing for the church im playing for the Lord 8)

Good answer.   :)
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Aundre on January 13, 2010, 12:39:37 AM
I have been on both ends of this debate. Our true desire is to uplift God. The payment or donation is just a blessing coming through. I would continue anyway.Now if the church offers to pay why not accept it?
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: robin of drummin on January 18, 2010, 09:28:09 PM
in the drummers forum this question has come up several times but still the question remains For What exact Services is the church paying you for? Talent, being a good and faithful christian member.  There nothing wrong with getting a payment, but does a church body have pay you for coming to bible study, coming to prayer, ministering to others, being a witness to others in christ and bringing in new members to church?
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: sjonathan02 on January 18, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: robin of drummin on January 18, 2010, 09:28:09 PM
in the drummers forum this question has come up several times but still the question remains For What exact Services is the church paying you for? Talent, being a good and faithful christian member.  There nothing wrong with getting a payment, but does a church body have pay you for coming to bible study, coming to prayer, ministering to others, being a witness to others in christ and bringing in new members to church?

Awww, c'mon now. You know you're asking too much.  ::) :-\
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: SDP on January 30, 2010, 05:50:57 PM
Yes I will still play.  There were times when my church wasn't able to pay me and still is not, but just started back due to me losing my regular job. When the Lord bless me with another job, I will not be accepting a salary from my church.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: MeekSpirit1 on February 11, 2010, 06:10:48 PM
I know how you feel piano wiz. I've never been paid much for playing either.  But this is my take on it.  If you are truly playing for the Lord, he will make sure you are compensated whether it be from your church or someone else.  I played for my church for a long time, but when I left for about 3 years due to a military move, the church that I played for at my new duty station gave me an appreciation every year I was there.  I never asked for anything from them-they just found room in their hearts to hold a car wash and raise money for me any way they could.  This church was smaller than the one I had left.  I think musicians should be compensated, especially if they are dragging their own equipment back and forth to church every week.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: under13 on February 11, 2010, 08:36:28 PM
Quote from: sjonathan02 on January 18, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Awww, c'mon now. You know you're asking too much.  ::) :-\

lol
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: ayokunle on February 13, 2010, 04:13:10 PM
My Opinion on this is that .... God is the giver of every gift . There are some musicians that Live on music majorly and as such earn from the pay in Church .  For me ... if they stop my payment ,that doesnt stop me from serving there but its also depends on what The Lord is Telling me concerning the action taken . God may have another open door that is greater than that of Church's pay . Even God doesn't want a labourer to ''sweat in vain''
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: knox06 on February 25, 2010, 04:16:35 PM
I have been playing drums for my home church since I was 7. I'm 25 now and I have never been paid a dime. I would still keep playing. Even if it wasn't my home church. God has given all of us gitfs and when it's all said and done, he is going to ask us what did we do with what he gave us. So, my answer is YES!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: cecil0124 on March 08, 2010, 07:11:51 AM
i do play for my home church for free if i have to. when i get paid i pay me tithe and offering. i am a member where i play now, i am on payroll, but i dont always get paid. my pastor's pay priority is, i get paid first, them him, them the other musicians.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: sugerbear on March 09, 2010, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: tim77901 on January 12, 2010, 07:01:47 AM
Yes because im not playing for the church im playing for the Lord 8).
YOU CAN PLAY FOR THE LORD AT HOME...
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: churchyreal on March 09, 2010, 08:28:05 PM
Quote from: sugerbear on March 09, 2010, 10:50:28 AM
YOU CAN PLAY FOR THE LORD AT HOME...

lol
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: THE WOLFMAN on March 10, 2010, 10:25:58 AM
Quote from: sugerbear on March 09, 2010, 10:50:28 AM
YOU CAN PLAY FOR THE LORD AT HOME...
PWA
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: TheUpperRoom on March 16, 2010, 02:45:52 PM
Well, I've been playing for my church for about 8 years and not until about 2.5 years ago did I start getting paid for it. I wouldn't stop. I love to do it and I dont depend on the money from the church to provide my needs. That's what I have a job for. But I work with a good bit of musicians in my area and many of them are just there for the $$$. Many times when our church goes to another church for an anniversary such as youth, usherboard, etc. the visiting choirs sing a selection or two after the choir has done their concert. And at some of the churches the musician will get off and sit down or just LEAVE. Which means I have to end up playing for all the other visitng choirs besides my own. I dont mind it, but the only reason I the other musician should stop playing is if that choir's musician is there to play. I ask the musician at one particular church why he always leaves or sits down after his choir does there concert and he said because he doesn't get paid to play for the visiting choirs. Anyway, whether I'm paid or not Ima continue to play because I love it and I'm not gonna sit and hold my gift to myself over a few dollars . I dont want the Lord to take it from me so Ima use it anyhow, anyway, and every way I can, PAID OR UNPAID! You can't and/or shouldn't put a price on work for God. IMO!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: revscottswifey on June 27, 2010, 03:48:57 PM
Well said UpperRoom, and several others of you.  I'm a firm believe that God honors our willingness to play from the heart and to His glory - whether or not we're compensated monetarily.  I've played for no pay but presently I am paid a small stipend.  It helps me since I'm unemployed and just started to build my own business.  But my husband is the pastor of the church and gets paid fairly well, considering the size of the church.  Because it's a very small congregation, I sometimes will sign their check and put it in the collection plate after service.  That's right...as in, give it back to them. 

My philosophy is that though I don't want to block my blessings (which is why I usually go ahead and accept/receive the pay), it is much more important that I guard my heart and spirit against becoming a "paycheck musician."  Honestly, those cats disgust me.  All puffed up, prideful and arrogant about their talents and gifts.  I spent many years in Atlanta, and that city is FULL of this breed of musicians...them kind that go WHEREVER they can get paid - they dip from the church pulpit to the club to the recording studio promoting and supporting music that blatantly goes against what they "minister" on Sunday morning, etc. etc.  I don't think they should be considered "ministers" of music, or "ministers" of anything for that matter.  Many of them (not just in the 'A') are simply hired musicians.  Nothing more.  So many of them carry on as though the church would fall apart without them.  So not true!  This discussion alone proves that there are MANY, MANY gospel musicians who are ok with playing first and foremost for the glory of God!!!!!!

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Well, I've been playing for my church for about 8 years and not until about 2.5 years ago did I start getting paid for it. I wouldn't stop. I love to do it and I dont depend on the money from the church to provide my needs. That's what I have a job for. But I work with a good bit of musicians in my area and many of them are just there for the $$$. Many times when our church goes to another church for an anniversary such as youth, usherboard, etc. the visiting choirs sing a selection or two after the choir has done their concert. And at some of the churches the musician will get off and sit down or just LEAVE. Which means I have to end up playing for all the other visitng choirs besides my own. I dont mind it, but the only reason I the other musician should stop playing is if that choir's musician is there to play. I ask the musician at one particular church why he always leaves or sits down after his choir does there concert and he said because he doesn't get paid to play for the visiting choirs. Anyway, whether I'm paid or not Ima continue to play because I love it and I'm not gonna sit and hold my gift to myself over a few dollars . I dont want the Lord to take it from me so Ima use it anyhow, anyway, and every way I can, PAID OR UNPAID! You can't and/or shouldn't put a price on work for God. IMO!
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: msred219 on June 28, 2010, 04:24:42 PM
When I started out many many years ago as a kid I had no idea that musicians got paid, and the first church that offered to pay me I turned them down and I played for free. You see its not about the money to me (although it is a nice perk) I dont think that is why God gave me the little bit of talent that I do have I think it is just to share and praise his name. Now some 30 years later I am getting paid but to answer your question if it were to stop tomorrow..... YES I would still play because thats all I know how to do in the church.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: HisPrincess on July 01, 2010, 02:50:51 AM
Rarely been paid, and usually only a token. No matter what- I would do what God has called me to do, and trust HIM to provide for me. And on the few ocaisions I have received a gift from the church or from an anonymous donor, I prayed and asked the Lord what HE wanted to do with it... sometimes, I just quietly cash if and then sow it back... sometimes I get to pamper myself. AS HE leads.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: GRACENOTE on July 02, 2010, 11:54:53 PM
At my church, I didnt asked to be paid but I saw a need so I filled the void. However if they stop paying me for no reason or cut my check for somethin stupid then I would quit. Musicians aften times do to much not to be paid.  ( picking songs, learning songs, teaching songs, performing songs, reheasals, extra services, traveling with the paster, bible studies, and dealing with difficult ppl.) thats a JOB! not to mention that we have lives outside of Church. but I wasnt getting paid for a good reason then I would stay.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Morethanaconqueror on July 12, 2010, 03:32:10 PM
I started playing for the love of it. I played for several years without being paid. Also, I have been at a church in the past that did stop paying me. I stayed and played anyway. Im not at that church anymore, but for the most part, its not about the money, its about service. God has placed me everywhere that I have held the post of Minister of Music. Some came with pay. Some did not. But no matter what. When Im called, I answer.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Robinin on August 07, 2010, 11:41:27 PM
I am new to this board. In the past I was paid a small amount that was more of a token for playing the organ for the church. Now I am part of the Praise and Worship Band and we are not paid. I have always considered it a ministry and don't need compensation for it. I suppose it boils down to how much time it consumes and how many times you need to show up for rehearsal and practices and whether you play at more than one service etc. In other words it is like a full time job or a ministry?
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: blesedone1 on August 18, 2010, 03:52:40 PM
don't get paid, i praise the lord for god allowing me to even have a talent I didn't know that even exist in my being. it's a good feeling to play for the glory and honor of god. I don't' know what getting paid is like...but to god i give all the glory.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: csedwards2 on August 23, 2010, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: csedwards2 on August 28, 2008, 11:52:07 PM
Yes Id continue, but my ears would be open like crazy for other opportunities
Had to come find my post in this thread to see if I was being true to my word.


This past Sunday, my church didnt pay me, citing tight finances/poor attendance as the reason, and he said he would pay me next week. I usually get paid weekly, so this is the first time this has happened. Now, God showed me that I'm moving to a new church soon (where I've been taking discipleship class since May), so I believe this is all apart of the transition for me to financially be able to afford the drop in finances every month, because the new church doesnt pay, at the moment. Im still playing at my current church, and I will show up next week and thereafter. But, if they reach a decision that is final about paying me or the other musician, and theres no hope to get paid again there, then I'll have to leave. I just hope my bass player doesnt leave.

Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: csedwards2 on October 28, 2010, 09:12:07 AM
Well, this is my bi monthly check-in...........

My last day is this Sunday coming. 11 weeks of not being paid. Almost 3 months. Anyway, the finance officer keeps looking for membership to gt back up because it took a dip in the summer. Well its practically November, and while the numbers did go back up a little, they are still not clearing the lease with enough left over for music ministry. I even offered to go back to my old rates, a 50% pay cut for me, and maybe a little less for the bassist, but he said no can do, until atleast 2011. Tomorrow, never comes. But it was time for me to leave anyway.

That discipleship class took a pause, but Ive still been getting fed awesome word at this new church. They are equipping me to stir up the other gifts I have inside, and giving me opportunities to use them through outreach, evangelism, and praying for people. I feel the Lord has lead me to this new place so I could be more useful to the Body. At the church Im leaving, all they had for me to do was play keys, and thats it. They dont do evangelism, outreach isnt much besides a dude doing jail ministry  (but I dont even hear about that anymore), they dont speak in tongues, the gifts are not operating, people dont even get prayed for in there like that. Its just turning into one of those dead churches, and God has called me out of it. Thank you Jesus!
          In my last few weeks, I tried to serve cheerfully, and honor my pastor even in her requests that I not leave the stage during the sermon, etc. so I wouldnt leave on a bad note. I also encouraged my bass player to stay during the beginning unpaid weeks, and he did, so we could leave without disrupting the music ministry too much. I also didnt put in my two weeks notice until after my MOM had her vacation, so she would be rested, and so she wouldnt leave immediately either. She said she appreciated it. Through it all, I cant mess up my witness by tearing up a whole church with my departure, so Im just trying to do it right, because I may need to minister to these people again one day.

So I just wanted to share to encourage those who are not getting paid in what this world calls a tough economy. But my God is supplying all my needs according to His riches and glory through Christ Jesus.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Shalom123 on November 15, 2010, 02:32:50 PM
I have played for my church for free before, so yes I would continue.  However, I would not allow myself to be taken advantage of, meaning I couldn't allow people to make demands on me that they have for paid musicians.

I play for my church and get paid, but I don't dictate a salary to it.  I play for other churches, and do give my salary requirements.  In those cases, I do quick when they don't pay; unless they apologize and correct the matter immediately.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: johnniesmith on November 18, 2010, 03:23:55 PM
I answered "No".

I would not be able to in good consciousness be able to continue playing, it has nothing to do with my faithfulness or obedience to God, it has to do with being able to live. To just STOP paying a full time musician but then expect that same musician to provide those same services you previously got for a salary is something I am not going to be a part of. It is not Gods plan the the Minstrels have outside employment.(Ref-Levites)
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: frankmj52 on November 28, 2010, 11:30:26 PM
We don't get paid by our church we get paid by GOD, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.  That is all the pay I need.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: edithjordan on December 23, 2010, 01:38:03 PM
If they stop paying the preacher or the one who was bringing the word, I wonder woulkd they stop preaching?
I've been playing ever since I was in the 7th grade. I'm a proud 48. I've been at this church for over 15 years. This church now is the first church who ever paid me/ It started with $45 now up to approx. $200
Many musician laughed at me and my pay. But I didn't choose my ministry. it choose me. My pay is just a gift we call blessings. No I'm not worthy, but chances are I would continue only because it is a big part of my life....... a lot of work but My eyes are on the prize....the crown, the robe, and life everlasting.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: antonebrooks on January 27, 2012, 01:26:04 PM
I would still play because I play for free now and have been for the last two years.  I do not play for the pastor or the church board, I play to lead worship to Jesus.  I know it is something I was called to do.  After the sacrifice Jesus made for my sake, how do refuse to lead His worship service because of money.  If Jesus asked me or called me to play, I just don't know how to turn Him down for not being paid cash.  He paid my price.  That being said, if a church can afford and wants to pay musicians I see nothing wrong with that.  That really is a blessing to be in that position.  I just can't see refusing to do the work of the Lord if a church can't or does not believe in paying musicians.  If the goal for us as musicians is to get paid as much as we can for the talents God has given us, why play in church.  The world will gladly pay talented musicans to play sinful music...

Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: misterP on March 30, 2012, 01:38:05 PM
I'm with masses....I played before I was getting paid....if they stopped, it would be business as usual...
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Chinky on June 14, 2012, 09:41:36 AM
In June 2011, I was informed that due to the fact that the members don't pay tithes and offerings during the summer as they do in other months, I would not get paid in July 2011.  It did not bother me because I know that God would take care of me. When I started playing for the church, many years ago,  I would never set a price or charge the church for playing, I would answer, "whatever the church could afford to pay, I would accept it."  If the church could not afford to pay me, I got nothing, and I continued to play with a willingness to do my very best.  In July 2011, I didn't get paid but I gave my tithes and offering every Sunday as I do throughout the year. God is still in the "Blessing Business" and I think the same thing will happen in July 2012.  That's alright, I serve a God who is still supplying all of my needs according to His riches in glory and He has never failed me yet and that is why I love Him so.  I am blessed to be gainfully employed but retirement is "looming" closer now.
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: KlassikKayJay on June 15, 2012, 03:03:13 PM
I play for God so my answer would be yes...I didn't know church musicians were on the payroll until this year.  :)
Title: Re: If your church stop paying you today would you continue to play for free?
Post by: Gemini47 on June 27, 2012, 11:49:08 AM
My answer is yes i would continue to play.  I play to glory of God. Playing is my offering of praise to God.