I'm not about to register/log in JUST to read an article. :-\
PREESH!! ;D
:-*
I'm interested see what "The Matrix Man" is gonna do. You KNOW the haters are gonna try to impede with every opportunity given.
*looks around*
*whispers*
Who's The Matrix Man?
This is str8 garbage.... Sorry but its true. Marketing ploys I tell ya...
*stage whispers*
Riccy Dillard, LaI KNOWED you KNEWED thatRue. ;) :D
Which part did you find to be garbage?
Ohhhh yeah... from that video... yeah, I knew that. I always get there, it just takes me a little longer! :D :D :D
Yea, like a day. :D :D You really need to make me work for my comedy, woman; you keep settin' yourself up. :D
I'm just not a fan of shameless plugs.. Revial and Rickey Dillard are an oxymoron for me... I'm just sayin tho'
Why do you consider Ricky and revival to be oxymoronic?
Do you not give Ricky credit for putting out good gospel, churchy, choir music? If not Ricky, which artist(s) would you say participate in the revival of "churchy" gospel music, or do you feel there has been no revival at all?
One other thing... if Ricky had written the article (or perhaps one of his choir members), it'd be appropriate to call it a "shameless plug." Otherwise, it's just an article about a gospel artist and his music. :-\
Hmmmmm, hold on a minute. Never underestimate the power of friendship. We have no idea of what went on behind the scenes to get this article into the paper. ;)
Cynical? Perchance.
Possible? Definitely.
Just wanted to throw that out there, since you know how often FS and I agree. ::)
Could be. Of course. You know how much I love hypotheticals. ;D
But we can't assume that it was a shameless plug. And that's what FS's statement does.
Yea, I know you do. ::) ;D
Because the media is what it is, FS's statements aren't far off. You've said as much with regards to Nancy Grace.
WAIT, W.I.T.9.H?!???!?
Why am I defending the statements of one Furious Styles?!?!? :o I think I need a doctor. :-\
Yea, I know you do. ::) ;D
Because the media is what it is, FS's statements aren't far off. You've said as much with regards to Nancy Grace.
WAIT, W.I.T.9.H?!???!?
Why am I defending the statements of one Furious Styles?!?!? :o I think I need a doctor. :-\
Yea, I know you do. ::) ;DStop it! You know he can't operate in his gift if you keep on agreeing with him, LOL!
Because the media is what it is, FS's statements aren't far off. You've said as much with regards to Nancy Grace.
WAIT, W.I.T.9.H?!???!?
Why am I defending the statements of one Furious Styles?!?!? :o I think I need a doctor. :-\
Stop it! You know he can't operate in his gift if you keep on agreeing with him, LOL!
Stop it! You know he can't operate in his gift if you keep on agreeing with him, LOL!
LOL! If it makes you feel any better, you're not defending him, you're defending the point he's making, which is cool. ;D
Secondly, I'm not arguing that his statements are far off, they're simply too assumptive. :-\ A qualifier would've changed the entire course of this discussion.
(By the way, I'm getting nervous... FS is getting quiet all of a sudden, and if I know him, he's typing away at a 17-paragraph dissertation that's gonna take me 3 Ritalins, 2 quick breaks, and 1 hour to get through... lol)
Stop it! You know he can't operate in his gift if you keep on agreeing with him, LOL!
Exactly!!!
You mean 'talent', right? ::) :-\ :D
I'm interested see what "The Matrix Man" is gonna do. You KNOW the haters are gonna try to impede with every opportunity given.
Thanks, LaRue, for posting the article. I don't have an account, but my friend sent it to me and I was able to open it, so I never thought it would be a problem. Thanks again. :)
Furious Styles must be one of them haters! :D
I'm just not a fan of shameless plugs.. Revial and Rickey Dillard are an oxymoron for me... I'm just sayin tho'
My friend, I have a question what is your line of profession? Is there any marketing done in it? If not it probably won't be to long before you need another profession. If Ricky is releasing an album & someone from a big city paper does an article on him & his album isn't he forwading Jesus? I have not heard this CD but I am pretty sure by the lack of a thread about how this project is full of glorifying Satan he is going into the highway & hedges to maybe let someone know about Jesus. Unless you KNOW something about Ricky then what has he done wrong?
Pastor Jeff
OHHHHHHHHH LAWWWWWWD!! Don't do it, jd, don't do it!!
My friend, I have a question what is your line of profession? Is there any marketing done in it? If not it probably won't be to long before you need another profession. If Ricky is releasing an album & someone from a big city paper does an article on him & his album isn't he forwading Jesus? I have not heard this CD but I am pretty sure by the lack of a thread about how this project is full of glorifying Satan he is going into the highway & hedges to maybe let someone know about Jesus. Unless you KNOW something about Ricky then what has he done wrong?
Pastor Jeff
I am not trying to start anything, but we have got to come together more. :'(
My sentiments exactly, Pastor Jeff... I just don't get it... and not because it's Ricky; it could've been Jimmy Crack Corn for all I care. I just don't understand where FS is coming from with this one...
And on another note, Ricky is a native of Chicago, and has a long-standing relationship with Chicago and the Chicago gospel community. Why on earth WOULDN'T they do an article on him in anticipation of the release of his 7th CD? :-\ ?/? ?/? ?/?
I live in Chicago & he has directed or MOM at some of the well known churches here. I like some of his music, personally I am a praise & worship fan but his choirs have a distinct sound that stands out from others.
He has, and he still does... Ricky still lives and works in Chicago, and I say again, they doggone sure SHOULD'VE done that article on him!! Nobody complained when they ran all those articles about his house burning down, but then they run one about his album (which was a nice plug for gospel music in general) and FS wants to roll eyes and dismiss it!!I believe he is at St.James Cogic Pastor Willie James Campbell.
FS, I want you to come back and splain yo'self!!! LOL!!!
He has, and he still does... Ricky still lives and works in Chicago, and I say again, they doggone sure SHOULD'VE done that article on him!! Nobody complained when they ran all those articles about his house burning down, but then they run one about his album (which was a nice plug for gospel music in general) and FS wants to roll eyes and dismiss it!!
FS, I want you to come back and splain yo'self!!! LOL!!!
I believe he is at St.James Cogic Pastor Willie James Campbell.
I take it you've stocked up on the Ritalin.
;) 8)
I was thinking about this during class, and like LaRue said, the article could've been about anybody else. Like I stated initially, I agree with Ricky's mission of keeping alive the true sound of gospel, particularly the choir sound. And as is stated in the article, so much of today's gospel music targeted at the younger crowd has--in my opinion--too much R&B and hip hop infused in it, that ALTHOUGH they may be singing about Jesus, the sound of it just sounds too "worldly" for me. It essentially blends in with everything else.I agree with you, but the first time I said something like this, I got flamed like a kabob, LOL!
In the fifth chapter of Matthew, Jesus says we are to be the "light of the world." I'm not saying that contemporary gospel doesn't glorify God, but sometimes when the sound of it blends in too much with secular music, non-believers may not even notice that what they're listening to is Christian. Plus, so many times in contemporary gospel, we don't even talk about Jesus or the blood, but some ambiguous "you" who could easily be some hot girl down the street.
I absolutely live for that old traditional choir sound. And like Ricky said, if he doesn't keep it going, who's going to do it?
I agree with you, but the first time I said something like this, I got flamed like a kabob, LOL!
ROFL @ flamed like a kabob.
Takuya:
I agree that a lot of today's gospel music is infused with a lot of R&B and hip-hop flavor. Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with that. I just appreciate that there are still a couple of artists out there that are doing the contemporary thing, but keeping the traditional sound, and Ricky is one of them. When it comes to good church choir music, I appreciate folks like New G, Mississippi Mass, and whoever else is keeping it old school. I dig the new P&W sounds, the jazz stuff, the classical infusion, the R&B stuff and all that... but honey, I'll take that clean, pure, traditional, church choir sound any day!
I just honestly can't find any fault in the article or in Ricky's music. :-\
And, of course, that's your right, as a fan.
I can't see putting Dillard and Mississippi Mass in the same genre (or sentence) for that matter. Now, I haven't been around gospel that long; but when I listen to the older folks talk, they don't put them in the same category, either.
Again, that's just me.
Incidentally, while we wait for FS ::), I'm sure he's going to say something like that article doesn't really speak to Dillard's spiritual walk, per se; but rather, it speaks to what he's accomplished in the gospel music arena.
Again, I'm just guessing cause, I've got nothin' better to do at the moment. :-\ :D
Well since, at the moment, I have nothing better to do either, I'll respond... LOL.
Who said anything about Ricky's spiritual walk? The article didn't, and neither did I? I'm a little unsure of why you even brought that up.
If Ricky is releasing an album & someone from a big city paper does an article on him & his album isn't he forwading Jesus? I have not heard this CD but I am pretty sure by the lack of a thread about how this project is full of glorifying Satan he is going into the highway & hedges to maybe let someone know about Jesus. Unless you KNOW something about Ricky then what has he done wrong?
Pastor Jeff
LOL... I can only laugh because I truly do not see what the problem with this article is. I mean, would we be having this discussion if an article was written in the wake of Marvin Winans' CD release or Judith Christie McAllister or Marvin Sapp or James Hall or whoever else? Is it the artist with whom we're having difficulty? The CD? The writer of the article? The newspaper? Ricky's style? I'm just so unclear on what the problem is...
Lastly, I didn't put Ricky and Mississippi Mass in the same genre. However, there are more similarities in their music than there are differences. But, if you re-read the sentence, you'll see that I wasn't comparing the two, or classifying them together. I said that I appreciate all those artists who keep it old school, including Mississippi Mass and Ricky Dillard. (Kinda like saying I appreciate those who sing in Spanish, like Selena and Julio Iglesias... doesn't mean they are of the same genre; they just share something in common. :-\) Mississippi Mass sings traditional gospel choir music; Ricky Dillard, with much more contemporary musicians and arrangements, sings traditional gospel choir music.
Sis, you've GOT to stop thinking that you're the only person responding in a thread. ::)
I hope that clarifies it for ya. ;) 8)
I'm going to use the line that you LOVE to use on me. Just because YOU (and even others) don't see a problem with the article, doesn't mean that other folks won't. Simply put. ;)
For the record, I see the article as Dillard pluggin' his album. I don't have a problem with that; he IS a gospel ARTIST after all and pluggin' your latest album comes with the territory, pure and simple.
Honestly, I think you're merely splitting hairs here. :-\ Fo' real, fo' real, I hadn't heard of Ricky Dillard until he did that Steve Martin movie, 'Leap of Faith'. :-\ Funny movie, by the way. ;) :D
Again, I was playin' (and for the life of me I have no idea why) the part of FS. That's it.
For the record, I see the article as Dillard pluggin' his album. I don't have a problem with that; he IS a gospel ARTIST after all and pluggin' your latest album comes with the territory, pure and simple.
Now I'm trying to be objective here, cuz being the one who posted this article, you know I'm a huge Ricky Dillard fan. He's my idol when it comes to choir directing.
But I only noticed two little--maybe three if you count the very last one--paragraphs about his album. Most of the article, like 75% I would say, is about him keeping the traditional sound alive. So I really don't see it as him pluggin' his album. But maybe it only takes 25% to charge someone with pluggin'. :D
Yeah, I didn't get into Ricky until I moved to Atlanta and got to know him. He's not that big in NY, so until I moved here, I had never even heard a single one of his songs. :-\FS called, he said he won't be able to make it back to this thread as he planned, something came up, LOL.
Okay, I see (now) what you were saying about the spiritual thing... I thought you were addressing something I had said since you quoted me, but now I got it. ;) That said, I think Pastor Jeff was also just trying to get at what FS's problem is with Ricky because it seems almost personal. The comment about Ricky and revival being oxymoronic took the subject to a "spiritual" place, I guess... In the end, I think all parties involved agree that the article didn't speak to Ricky's spiritual journey, but his musical accomplishments. Okay, so there's one thing we all agree on (on which we all agree... lol).
I know that "other people" (or at least one other person) see something wrong with the article and THAT'S what I'm trying to get at... when FS gets back, that is. I don't understand what his problem is, and I want him to clarify.
All this discussin' and I still don't know what the problem is with the article... :-\
FS called, he said he won't be able to make it back to this thread as he planned, something came up, LOL.
Your right. You win. ;D
You mean, "You're right." Come on now, aren't you the Grammar Wizard?
I'm sorry. I just had to do it. :D[/color]
Or he could've meant "your right," as in "it is your right to hold that opinion...."
Okay, I know I'm reaching here... just trying to help the brotha out 'cause he said something I liked yesterday. LOL! :D :D :D
You mean, "You're right." Come on now, aren't you the Grammar Wizard?
I'm sorry. I just had to do it. :D[/color]
I am; and just like you in this thread, I have my off days. ;) ;D
I'm sorry; I just HAD to do it. ;D
Choirs have long been havens for sexual deviants.
Wherever you have horny, lustful, people you have the door open for sexual deviants.
Wow! I didn't know that my opinoin was valued that much.. I must be a gluton for punishment but here goes a credible response.. I believe the article to be a shameful plug because "traditional gospel" wasn't embraced when it was first released in the church. We all love precious lord but the congregations of the 1930's and 40's found Tommy Dorsey's version "worldly". What's funny is that Dillard is getting credit for bringing back a sound that really has elements of old blues, country, and rock and roll. What the article fails to mention is how yesterday's heresy is now considered "traditional". All of our mothers can make soul food but I can gurantee you all of them will taste different to our taste buds. Generations will always percieve culture differently. Generational gaps are common place accept for the prophecy the bible speaks about that will come to pass in the last days... I diagnosed this as a shameless plug because in somebody's baptist church in all our cities we canl find these songs from the 60's 70's and 80's blasting in the sanctuary.
I'm not mad at the guy earning a living, I just know record company marketing when I see it. Secondly, revival and Rickey Dillard are oxymoronic because of all those sexual demons that follow in the choir scenes all across America. It is well known that the "brat pack" were living double lives on the DL. I ain't talking about DL Hughley either..... True Revival and Dillard couldn't show up in the same room unless someone was casting those sexual spirits out of him and his Tenor, soprano, and alto sections. Choirs have long been havens for sexual deviants. I for one am a veteran musician of the community choir scene of the 90's and know what I speak of. Those same spirits that I encountered then are stronger than ever before. Takuya to call Rickey your idol scares me! Be careful in the words you choose in describing those you admire...
I have a lot of respect for many musicians both gospel and secular alike but they aren't my idols. Idols and the God we serve can't stay in the same place. It is a known fact that most of the choir directors who model their styles after some of the more famous choral directors have the same struggles as their "idols". Same for all of the heroes that I had that were secular. I found myself desiring some of the same things that they did. I did an audit of my lifestyle and theirs. My analysis was astonshing! I couldn't believe some of the things that I traced back to people that were my boyhood "idols". This may sound judgemental to some but for those who has ears to hear please understand the dangerous time we live in. That doesn't mean that other gospel generes don't have this issue but for the spiritual who have observed this paradigm you know I'm on to something... Ok all better now?
Here's the easy answer to a few questions asked of my so called generalizations. No I haven't slept with any of Rickey's choir members or Ricky. First off I don't like men. That ain't never been my struggle however it don't take discernment to see that Rickey ain't never had a wife in 42 years of manhood. Secondly scripture doesn't have to back up discernment and certain behaviors of sexual deviants. My statements didn't imply that Dillard and his "choir" were the only sexual deviants in the world. There's a connection to all of the young men that are coming forward in the catholic church about abuse. The light hasn't quite been exposed on the christian church yet. ORU's scandal has partially been swept under the wrong according the representatives of the three scorned professors..
The residue of sexual deviants hovers all around us in our perspective churches but we need "proof" to speak out against behaviors that we know are going on through gossip circles. To quote Steve Harvey, where are all these lil' christians coming from? Why is Aids the fastest killer of young African American women? If the article never mentioned this guy and revival in the same breath I would've just walked on by. It's just like me to pick a fight with people with machine guns and all I have is a box a rocks... ;D Sure there are some choir members that are probably pure as the driven snow ::) but I can assure you that my discernment in this issue isn't coming from some cliche' about choirs. I speak from a spiritual experience that the lord is still helping me guard myself in.
The term game recognize game is more appropriate here. If I hadn't struggled with sinning against my own temple then I wouldn't be able to speak to this issue. For the sake of a long post I will refer these thoughts roote in scriptural record. Is it not written that he that commits fornication sins against his own body? Is it not written that our bodies are the temple of the lord? Isn't the holy spirit's resting place in the temple(body) of the believer? Wasn't the viel of the temple rent in two as a symbol of God coming to dwell in the believer who freely recieves the holy spirit? Is it not written that Jesus told the pharasees that he would rebuild the temple in three days if it was destroyed? Of course he was talking about his physical body.. Here are the scripture references. I'll stop there. If you'd like a more indepth definition on this issue, I'd be happy to oblige. Secondly for the benefit of those who are spiritual and know where I'm coming from then forgive me for not acknowledging your gift of discernment.
I am very confident in my abilities to discern these types of havens in community choir scenes across the country because I was apart of it. Ex druggies can snuff out other stoners. Preachers can discern the spirits of other preachers. Musicians can discern the mannerisms of Musicians.... Ok enough I think I've made my point.. Your witness counsleors...
This is str8 garbage.... Sorry but its true. Marketing ploys I tell ya...
I'm just not a fan of shameless plugs.. Revial and Rickey Dillard are an oxymoron for me... I'm just sayin tho'
Even though I believe this thread should SERIOUSLY die already, and even though he and I usually end up on the opposite side of the fence, I must speak up for FS.
He was asked why he felt the way he felt.
His initial post:
His response when asked about his initial post:
After that, folks were all kinds of whatever and WANTED FS to explain his position.
Now, you're upset with his explanation AND clarification? :-\
I'm reminded of the phrase, "Let sleeping dogs(like this thread)die."
But, I know you. ::) :D
I'm not upset at all, and I'm not sure (and don't care) what would lead you to believe that I am. Perhaps it's because often when people approach a subject from opposite sides of the spectrum, it is assumed that this is negative or should be avoided, for some reason. I enjoy healthy debate, and FS has said that he does as well. I don't get all up in arms over it as long as the discussion is respectful and intelligent.
I'm discussing this with FS because (as he knows) I thoroughly enjoy debating with him. I would talk about ants and paper napkins with him because I just like him that much, and because I enjoy hearing his points of view (and mostly, I enjoy the smart, at-ease, cool, collected, and respectful way that he interacts with me).
As with any other open thread, if "folks" are tired of the debate, discussion, banter, whatever... "folks" don't have to follow it. :-\
Have a GRRRRRRREAT day!! ;D
PWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D
It's FRIDAY; ain't no need to be so defensive, sis. :D :D :D :D
**SMH, cracking up, singing my favorite Alanis Morrisette tune** ::) :D :D :D :D ::)
8)
SOOOOOO, "You've got one had in hour poccet & the other hand is throwing up a peace sign."? ?/?
(First line to a song of hers that came to me) ;) :D
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;) :D
SOOOOOO, "You've got one had in your poccet & the other hand is throwing up a peace sign."? ?/?
(First line to a song of hers that came to me) ;) :D
Preoccupied by thoughts of eating. :-[
Good catch, nonetheless!! :D :D
SOOOOOO, "You've got one had in your poccet & the other hand is throwing up a peace sign."? ?/?
(First line to a song of hers that came to me) ;) :D
Oh dear... THAT's the first song you came up with???? LOL!!!!!! Do you even know what that song means??? LOL...
Naw, that's not the one I was singing, darlin... lol.
**I'm impressed that you knew an Alanis song, though... lol**
While you're editing... you might want to toss an "n" in that "had." LOL! :D :D :D
LaRue,
I get you as well but I want you to look at this in a much more deeper light. Even if there was never a rumor about Dillard being "left handed"(What my late pastor used to call gay guys) Ray charles and any non spiritual person can see that guy likes other dudes. Your rep as a dude always speak for you in the streets. When I lived that lifestyle the ladies knew about FS's skills. I'm not proud of that but it comes with the territory. Of course that works in reverse for the ladies but often times the ladies help drive the rumor mill. Let's take Luther for example. Luther would never answer questions about is sexual preference or any significant other. He made music that could be taken for a heterosexual relationship. We sorta gave him pass because we appreciated his heartfelt love songs. BUT it never changed the fact that he never mentioned a lady he was singing about. As big Luther or lil Luther you never seen him come to an awards show with anybody besides his momma!! Come on now... All of the major R&B stars of past and present has been known as a player of the ladies or had a significant other at one point in time.
Of course they had their "escapades" on the road. Ray was blind but I guess everything is everything in the dark... ;D I'm not using the rumor mill as confirmation. I'm using behaviors that I'm familar with. Most straight up dudes and the gay ones know this too.. No hard feelings...
LaRue,
I get you as well but I want you to look at this in a much more deeper light. Even if there was never a rumor about Dillard being "left handed"(What my late pastor used to call gay guys) Ray charles and any non spiritual person can see that guy likes other dudes. Your rep as a dude always speak for you in the streets. When I lived that lifestyle the ladies knew about FS's skills. I'm not proud of that but it comes with the territory. Of course that works in reverse for the ladies but often times the ladies help drive the rumor mill. Let's take Luther for example. Luther would never answer questions about is sexual preference or any significant other. He made music that could be taken for a heterosexual relationship. We sorta gave him pass because we appreciated his heartfelt love songs. BUT it never changed the fact that he never mentioned a lady he was singing about. As big Luther or lil Luther you never seen him come to an awards show with anybody besides his momma!! Come on now... All of the major R&B stars of past and present has been known as a player of the ladies or had a significant other at one point in time.
Of course they had their "escapades" on the road. Ray was blind but I guess everything is everything in the dark... ;D I'm not using the rumor mill as confirmation. I'm using behaviors that I'm familar with. Most straight up dudes and the gay ones know this too.. No hard feelings...
Now... ALLLLLLLL that aside....
You're still gossipping. And that's still wrong. :-\
I'm not talking about what you've observed, surmised, deduced, assumed, heard, or witnessed. I'm talking about what you SHARED. That's gossip, bruh. Isn't it?
Are you speaking in general or in this thread? If it's in general then I can see where you're coming from. (Yea, I did it! AND??)
However, if you're asking about this thread, in particular, he was ASKED for his reason(s). In other words, the only reason why he shared is because he was forced.
I say 'forced' because you and JD wanted to know why so badly; we all made jokes about ya'll wanting to know why so badly. :D
I can anticipate your response... and to that, I'd say this: what FS said in that first statement has the same effect as Sis. Sally hearing that Min. Marcus is preaching tonight, and she says in response, "Marcus???? MAAARRRRCUS??? Putting Marcus and Minister in the same sentence is... oh nevermind, I ain't even gon' say nothin."
Technically, she didn't tell Marcus's business. Technically, she didn't say a single bad word about Marcus. But the damage was still done, on some scale, to some degree.
So, you're saying that based on FS's second response (his initial response was the article was a marketing ploy), you judged his heart and his motives?
Furthermore, Sis Sally saying, 'putting Marcus and Minister in the same sentence is....oh nevermind' causes no damage to anyone, specifically Marcus. She started to make a statement, then stopped, and that's where your scenario ended.
Does Sis. Sally have THAT kind of pull where people are hanging on her every word; if so, why?
You have no idea whether or not her statement had any impact on anyone. Same with FS's initial statement, IMHO.
And, if FS pulled a Forrest Gump and said, 'That's all I have to say about that', would he have been wrong?
Judged... heart... motives.... ???? Huh? How'd you get that from what I said??? I haven't spoken of anyone's heart at all, and I'm totally stumped as to what you're talking about. For the record (and lest the devil have a field day with this one) let me clarify once more: I have the utmost respect for FS. I admire him. I love him. I like him. I appreciate the mature, intelligent, and respectful manner in which he approaches debate. And most importantly, he resembles the image I have of Jesus Christ more so than a lot of other churchgoers I know. So, if I've judged him at all, I've judged him to be a man of God worthy of my admiration.
Regarding Sally and Marcus, the Bible speaks about sowing seeds of discord, and frankly, even if the Bible didn't tell me anything about it, I know for myself that comments like that are messy and DO INDEED cause damage.
To answer your last question, IMO, he wouldn't have been wrong for not going any further, but the damage would've already been done.
I think I'm done with this for now. That whole judging the heart comment either went too far, or it just rubbed me the wrong way.
Even though he was "called to the carpet" (i.e. forced, as you put it), my insistence on knowing specifically what he was getting at was in direct response to his very first comment about putting "Ricky and revival" in the same sentence. I knew exactly what he was getting at, which is why I pushed him to clarify.