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Title: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 16, 2007, 09:07:49 PM
Top Hat 13" Evo
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/NewSabianCollection001.jpg)

20" Leopard Ride
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/NewSabianCollection008.jpg)

13" Evo bottom w/rivets factory installed
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/NewSabianCollection004-1.jpg)

I love 17" crashes
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/NewSabianCollection006.jpg)

more plates....
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/NewSabianCollection005.jpg)



Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 16, 2007, 09:15:00 PM
Break down....
17" AAXplosion
17" AAX Studio
17" Vault
17" HHX Evolution
18" AAX O-Zone
18" HHX O-Zone
10" HHX Splash
08" AAX Splash
13" Evo Hats with Rivets
20" HHX Leopard Ride

more on the way...God is Awesome
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: HumbleGospelDrummer on October 16, 2007, 09:15:09 PM
 :o :o :o :o

Very nice!!!!!! Congrats mayne!
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: dude-on-drums on October 16, 2007, 09:27:19 PM
Aw man welcome to the family... :o :o :o  Nice Collection fam!!!
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: fretai03 on October 16, 2007, 09:32:54 PM
Congrats stiks!
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: juSe on October 17, 2007, 12:19:59 AM
Really nice gear dude.  Really nice.
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 17, 2007, 05:24:34 AM
You have almost as many kids as I do.   ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 17, 2007, 06:07:40 AM
You have almost as many kids as I do.   ;D


okay, the rest of my kids said they were tired of being treated like the step kids that they are....so this pic was taken pre-sabian.....lol so I'm not gone let the kids mingle because Sabes would absolutely demolish the Zilds, I can't have that I'd rather sell them off as slaves than to let them die a vicious death.....lol, so here are the others....sir, lets not turn this into a cymbal war, because I'll win...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/Cymbals2007002.jpg)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 17, 2007, 06:24:24 AM
Really nice gear dude.  Really nice.


Thanks I guess... :D, but keep in mind that I play sucky Ddrums.......lol

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/ErikCorey004.jpg)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: JFunky on October 17, 2007, 06:54:06 AM
...show off.  LOL

...nice gear.  Really nice.
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: dude-on-drums on October 17, 2007, 07:43:18 AM
Thanks I guess... :D, but keep in mind that I play sucky Ddrums.......lol

([url]http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/ErikCorey004.jpg[/url])


...still a nice looking set...orange and gold   ;)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: teflonminds88 on October 17, 2007, 08:44:11 AM
I'm loving everything, but the AAX O-Zone. I despise those things  >:(
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: bigblackdrummer on October 17, 2007, 08:49:17 AM
The ddrums suck but everything else is on point!! I think I migh have to come down there and hi-jack that snare and some of them K's!!!
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 17, 2007, 09:08:19 AM
sir, lets not turn this into a cymbal war, because I'll win...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Ain't nobody tryna turn nothin' into no war, lol!  It was just a statement.  Black folk always tryna one up each other!   ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: dude-on-drums on October 17, 2007, 09:13:52 AM
is that a pork pie throne?
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 17, 2007, 09:39:00 AM
Ain't nobody tryna turn nothin' into no war, lol!  It was just a statement.  Black folk always tryna one up each other!   ;D

u know I'm just joking homey.... its all love bro, I am ready for war tho.....lol,

 
is that a pork pie throne?

yerp..... I love that joint too, the pdp versions are hard as bricks for some reason.....lol
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: freddyfusion on October 17, 2007, 10:41:59 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D nice

i wanna be like yaw when my wallet grows up...... lol
 ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: waydrummer on October 17, 2007, 12:25:41 PM
Thanks I guess... :D, but keep in mind that I play sucky Ddrums.......lol

([url]http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/ErikCorey004.jpg[/url])


Dude that snare has no business on that set!!!
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: Keys410 on October 17, 2007, 12:31:39 PM
Good Stuff Doc...
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: JFunky on October 17, 2007, 12:40:44 PM

i wanna be like yaw when my wallet grows up

...you ain't lying.  Yall dudes have some serious pro' gear.
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 17, 2007, 04:56:59 PM
i wanna be like yaw when my wallet grows up...... lol
 ;D

Tell me about it. 
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: pantherboy on October 17, 2007, 05:49:23 PM
yes sir doc! thank u doc! you have truley blessed me! ima buy some more cymbals right now! lol. i only have 10!!!!
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: geedoub on October 17, 2007, 06:48:26 PM
Gear is bang'n, How does it really sound?
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: porkpiepoppa on October 17, 2007, 07:09:13 PM
i mean wow!! pm me if you tryna get rid of them zilds lol i like them sabians BUT they are WAAAY out of my price range lol
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: edough on October 17, 2007, 08:18:00 PM
is that a pork pie throne?

looks familiar huh?   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: edough on October 17, 2007, 08:19:05 PM
 my mom's got that same 1980's sofa...  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: BEATBOXERZ on October 17, 2007, 09:55:46 PM
okay, the rest of my kids said they were tired of being treated like the step kids that they are....so this pic was taken pre-sabian.....lol so I'm not gone let the kids mingle because Sabes would absolutely demolish the Zilds, I can't have that I'd rather sell them off as slaves than to let them die a vicious death.....lol, so here are the others....sir, lets not turn this into a cymbal war, because I'll win...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

([url]http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/edubb12/Cymbals2007002.jpg[/url])


Yes Sirr  ;D Beautiful Pie Bruh ;)!!!
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: smarkland38 on October 17, 2007, 11:30:35 PM
Nice Kit Bruh!  And nice cymbals  ZILDJIANS K'S  of course
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: dude-on-drums on October 17, 2007, 11:44:58 PM
looks familiar huh?   ;D ;D ;D

 :-X   ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: Praise_Productions on October 18, 2007, 03:47:54 PM
How about sending your boy a few of those cymbals.
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: yamahaboy on October 18, 2007, 04:43:43 PM
K's will Murder HH's Though! :-\.. Man dude Besides the A Customs I wouldnt think about getting rid of those Zildjians guy! You never know when you may need that classic Zildjian sound! 8) ;)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: juSe on October 18, 2007, 06:47:19 PM
K's will Murder HH's Though! :-\.. Man dude Besides the A Customs I wouldnt think about getting rid of those Zildjians guy! You never know when you may need that classic Zildjian sound! 8) ;)

Please stop.  I am having a hard enough time keeping the wolves off of you now.  Know what you're talking about before you spout something like that...  Or at least be able to back it up with an honest opinion!

JEEZ!
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 18, 2007, 08:42:25 PM
K's will Murder HH's Though!

Stop it, I say!!!   ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: yamahaboy on October 18, 2007, 08:50:51 PM
K= KILL >:( ;)

HH= HUGY HANDLERS, Made with love and CARE... AWWW!! ::) :-* :P


You Sabian Heads kill me!!..lol.. And Juse what makes you think I dont know what Im talking about. Some guys come in here and Compare A Customs to HH's and you say I dont know what Im talking about.. >:( :D ;)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 18, 2007, 09:12:13 PM
He did place "or" into his statement.   ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: yamahaboy on October 18, 2007, 09:57:41 PM
He did place "or" into his statement.   ;D


TRUE! ;) ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 18, 2007, 10:29:27 PM
K's will Murder HH's Though! :-\.. Man dude Besides the A Customs I wouldnt think about getting rid of those Zildjians guy! You never know when you may need that classic Zildjian sound! 8) ;)

Guys judging by his mustang and the thumbs and sign in his avatar he's still wet behind the ears..... so forgive him for he knows nothing about what he speaks about, honestly I think he just decided to say something random and stupid to see how far it'll go...... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: flamtapz on October 19, 2007, 01:01:10 AM
well since you have all of those (so you call it) "nice" sabians donate in order that i enhance my K collection. ;D ...leopard ride is killing though
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: dzionix on October 19, 2007, 07:22:30 AM
leopard ride is kind a high for me... i like groove ride ;) sorry people, but my personal opinion about cymbals is:
Zildjian and yamaha is good only for name. Sabian looks to the future and has some better cymbals than zildjian. ;D thats my opinion. If you look how much cymbals were at namm shows, so sabian has shown more cymbals than zildjian. if you look at sabian hhx aax HH and valve series, they are sounding great. ziljian sounds only K for me... sorry... i choose sabian
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: juSe on October 19, 2007, 10:01:55 AM
leopard ride is kind a high for me... i like groove ride ;) sorry people, but my personal opinion about cymbals is:
Zildjian and yamaha is good only for name. Sabian looks to the future and has some better cymbals than zildjian. ;D thats my opinion. If you look how much cymbals were at namm shows, so sabian has shown more cymbals than zildjian. if you look at sabian hhx aax HH and valve series, they are sounding great. ziljian sounds only K for me... sorry... i choose sabian

When did Yamaha start making cymbals ?/?

Sabian is on the cutting edge in a lot of things....  Their sound is very consistent.  To a fault in some cases...  All of their cymbals of a particular make and model will sound the same (or pretty darn close).  Zildjian is variant almost to a fault.  None of their cymbals of the exact same make and model will sound the same..... ever....  Can't speak to Yamaha's strong suits because i thought they were drum makers, not cymbalsmiths  :-\
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 19, 2007, 11:18:09 AM
leopard ride is kind a high for me... i like groove ride ;) sorry people, but my personal opinion about cymbals is:
Zildjian and yamaha is good only for name. Sabian looks to the future and has some better cymbals than zildjian. ;D thats my opinion. If you look how much cymbals were at namm shows, so sabian has shown more cymbals than zildjian. if you look at sabian hhx aax HH and valve series, they are sounding great. ziljian sounds only K for me... sorry... i choose sabian

I'll give you the b.o.d that you're referring to name brands in general, because if you're referring to yamaha cymbals......then ohhhh you're gonna get it and this is your 1st post too..... I pray for you right now....lol, but Juse I do know a local church that has a yamaha ride, just like the Pearl company has their own line of cheezy cymbals back in the day.....lol
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: teflonminds88 on October 19, 2007, 11:23:09 AM
Of course you know the cymbals HAVE to match the kit   ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: juSe on October 19, 2007, 12:09:09 PM
I'll give you the b.o.d that you're referring to name brands in general, because if you're referring to yamaha cymbals......then ohhhh you're gonna get it and this is your 1st post too..... I pray for you right now....lol, but Juse I do know a local church that has a yamaha ride, just like the Pearl company has their own line of cheezy cymbals back in the day.....lol

That 100% does not count at all!  He mentioned Yamaha cyms in the same breath as Sabian and Zildjian.  I already knew that they had cyms.  I used to own a Pearl ride.  If that is the case, Sonor has a bangin cymbal pack that is less than $150. 
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: yamahaboy on October 19, 2007, 06:25:32 PM
Guys judging by his mustang and the thumbs and sign in his avatar he's still wet behind the ears..... so forgive him for he knows nothing about what he speaks about, honestly I think he just decided to say something random and stupid to see how far it'll go...... ;D ;D ;D


What does my Mustang have to do with it. Leave him alone NOW!! >:( ;D
Your only judging him because hes black!  ;D Man what makes you think I dont know what I saying.. Ok so you have a few more yrs under your belt than me, What does an OPINION have to do with me not knowing what I talking about..??  I hope your cheap DDRUM mount falls of the rack and hits you in the toe!.. ;D J/P
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 20, 2007, 12:26:31 AM

What does my Mustang have to do with it. Leave him alone NOW!! >:( ;D
Your only judging him because hes black!  ;D Man what makes you think I dont know what I saying.. Ok so you have a few more yrs under your belt than me, What does an OPINION have to do with me not knowing what I talking about..??  I hope your cheap DDRUM mount falls of the rack and hits you in the toe!.. ;D J/P

look young grasshopper if you pd attn to detail you can clearly see there is no Ddrum hardware or mounts on my kit....smarty pants and pick your face up  :o :o :o >:( >:(

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 20, 2007, 05:25:07 AM
I was wait'n on you to correct that statement.   ;D
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Post by: JFunky on October 20, 2007, 02:38:45 PM
I hope your cheap DDRUM mount falls of the rack and hits you in the toe!.. ;D J/P


look young grasshopper if you pd attn to detail you can clearly see there is no Ddrum hardware or mounts on my kit....smarty pants and pick your face up  :o :o :o >:( >:(

 ;D ;D ;D


(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7242/failed8zg.jpg)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: yamahaboy on October 21, 2007, 08:13:36 AM
 :(
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Post by: j_kay on October 21, 2007, 12:22:19 PM
:(
"At Lionel Playworld turn that frown...upside down!"

 :)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: dzionix on October 21, 2007, 04:48:25 PM
When did Yamaha start making cymbals ?/?

Sabian is on the cutting edge in a lot of things....  Their sound is very consistent.  To a fault in some cases...  All of their cymbals of a particular make and model will sound the same (or pretty darn close).  Zildjian is variant almost to a fault.  None of their cymbals of the exact same make and model will sound the same..... ever....  Can't speak to Yamaha's strong suits because i thought they were drum makers, not cymbalsmiths  :-\

sorry, i was talking about names then. ("Zildjian and yamaha is good only for name") offcourse i know that yamaa crafts drums over 40 yrs ;). I dont know why, but their names are too old for me... i'm looking for some refreshment. like new names KUMU drums or spaun, or even dw. their drums sound better, hardware newwer, and finnishes more instresting... I never looked, and i hope will not look at ancient firms like Ludwig, Gretch, amati... Need some new stuff :D ok thanx for the post, i think you missunderstund my post... i'd better choose sabian, and pearl...
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: mr.pocket on October 21, 2007, 05:38:58 PM
sorry, i was talking about names then. ("Zildjian and yamaha is good only for name") offcourse i know that yamaa crafts drums over 40 yrs ;). I dont know why, but their names are too old for me... i'm looking for some refreshment. like new names KUMU drums or spaun, or even dw. their drums sound better, hardware newwer, and finnishes more instresting... I never looked, and i hope will not look at ancient firms like Ludwig, Gretch, amati... Need some new stuff :D ok thanx for the post, i think you missunderstund my post... i'd better choose sabian, and pearl...

So with your mentality, you wouldn't want a Mercedes Benz? I mean, they were established in 1871 so, their ancient. right? Why bother?
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 21, 2007, 05:41:25 PM
sorry, i was talking about names then. ("Zildjian and yamaha is good only for name") offcourse i know that yamaa crafts drums over 40 yrs ;). I dont know why, but their names are too old for me... i'm looking for some refreshment.


Need some new stuff ... i'd better choose sabian, and pearl...

Pearl started in '46, so that would make them 61.  Yamaha started in '67, so that would make them 40.  DW started in '72, which would make them 35.  Sabian was founded in '81, which makes them 26 - they are creeping up on the 30y mark, which would not make them (as) new anymore.  Regarding ages, we have the following: 61 --> 40 --> 35 --> 26. 

There's nothing "new" or "refereshing" about those numbers - it's the application of how they execute their brand image and products is what makes a brand exciting and sets themselves apart from the competitors within the marketplace (in one's personal preference). 

I guess that makes Pearl v. Yamaha your choice of an older company v. newer company a moot point.  Even Kumu is somewhat questionable in terms of age because he has a history of building drums from way back. Spaun is about the newest 'kid' on your list.   
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 21, 2007, 05:43:16 PM
So with your mentality, you wouldn't want a Mercedes Benz? I mean, they were established in 1871 so, their ancient. right? Why bother?

Or Toyota, Honda, Chevrolet, Ford, BMW, et al. 
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: BigFoot_BigThumb on October 22, 2007, 12:03:46 AM
A Sabian man.  Word up!!!!!  I plan on buying a Leopard ride myself.  That is a bad ride.  I been using  a 20" AA Medium Heavy ride.  That is a serious arsenal you have there young man. 
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: juSe on October 22, 2007, 12:27:03 AM
sorry, i was talking about names then. ("Zildjian and yamaha is good only for name") offcourse i know that yamaa crafts drums over 40 yrs ;). I dont know why, but their names are too old for me... i'm looking for some refreshment. like new names KUMU drums or spaun, or even dw. their drums sound better, hardware newwer, and finnishes more instresting... I never looked, and i hope will not look at ancient firms like Ludwig, Gretch, amati... Need some new stuff :D ok thanx for the post, i think you missunderstund my post... i'd better choose sabian, and pearl...

Gretch still makes a great product.  Their USA Customs and New Classics are stunning.  If they are good enough for Vinnie Coliauta, they are good enough for me.

And the ku/MU game isnt until the Saturday after Thanksgiving.  Whats the deal with drums? 


Pearl started in '46, so that would make them 61.  Yamaha started in '67, so that would make them 40.  DW started in '72, which would make them 35.  Sabian was founded in '81, which makes them 26 - they are creeping up on the 30y mark, which would not make them (as) new anymore.  Regarding ages, we have the following: 61 --> 40 --> 35 --> 26. 

There's nothing "new" or "refereshing" about those numbers - it's the application of how they execute their brand image and products is what makes a brand exciting and sets themselves apart from the competitors within the marketplace (in one's personal preference). 

I guess that makes Pearl v. Yamaha your choice of an older company v. newer company a moot point.  Even Kumu is somewhat questionable in terms of age because he has a history of building drums from way back. Spaun is about the newest 'kid' on your list.   

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: JFunky on October 22, 2007, 11:41:54 AM
sorry, i was talking about names then. ("Zildjian and yamaha is good only for name") offcourse i know that yamaa crafts drums over 40 yrs ;). I dont know why, but their names are too old for me... i'm looking for some refreshment. like new names KUMU drums or spaun, or even dw. their drums sound better, hardware newwer, and finnishes more instresting... I never looked, and i hope will not look at ancient firms like Ludwig, Gretch, amati... Need some new stuff :D ok thanx for the post, i think you missunderstund my post... i'd better choose sabian, and pearl...

...Zildjian and Yamaha are good only for names!?  What kind of ignorant comment is this?  Are you serious?  The ancient way of cymbal making is what guys want in the Jazz world.  Contemporary players want a happy medium that combines the old ways with a few of the new techniques unless you're playing some type of weird electronic music that needs a lot of "white noise" which Zildjian also provides.

...Yamaha knows how to make kits.  They are craftsmen which a lot of the new companies know nothing about. ;)  Ask "ddrum".  A lot of the major records that we hear have a drum sound provided by Yamaha Drum Corp.  Their product is by far one of the best out there and...key word...."TRUSTED".  Top 3 to be exact. 

...sure, none of us can make you like anything but coming on to the boards and stating some off the wall random comment that has no type of facts that can make anyone agree with you is just ridiculous. 

...I state the obvious....Yamaha and Zildjian are not just names in the Music Industry.  Go to any Pro Session with one of these Rinky Drum Company kits and see if they don't leave your junk in the trunk of your vehicle while you have to play on a Yammy, DW Ludwig or Gretsch.  And yes, I did say Pro Session or Major Recording Session and not Lil' Ray Ray's studio down the skreet in a room in his crib. ;)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: dzionix on October 22, 2007, 01:29:34 PM
ok ok i surrender.  ;D i'm dependent on adversiting... ;)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: j_kay on October 22, 2007, 01:49:03 PM
ok ok i surrender.  ;D i'm dependent on adversiting... ;)

And to a percentage, you are - we all are.  Again, it's the application of how they execute their brand image and products is what makes a brand exciting and sets themselves apart from the competitors within the marketplace (in one's personal preference). 
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: JFunky on October 22, 2007, 01:54:11 PM
ok ok i surrender.  ;D i'm dependent on adversiting... ;)

...doc', the point is that I can understand you being upset with a Yamaha Rydeen kit and Zildjian ZHT's or ZBT's or whatever because those are beginner and "cheap" lines and don't sound good compared to PDP's or Sabian AAX's but to state that Zildjian and Yamaha are good only for their name is ridiculous.

....play on a Yamaha Maple, Birch or Beech Custom Absolute and play with good sounding Zildjian K's and/or K Customs and see if they're just a name. 8)
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: dzionix on October 22, 2007, 02:19:03 PM
 ::) ok ;) just need to get some money :D
Title: Re: My new Family....check these beauties
Post by: stiksnmypocket on October 22, 2007, 03:11:51 PM
...Zildjian and Yamaha are good only for names!?  What kind of ignorant comment is this?  Are you serious?  The ancient way of cymbal making is what guys want in the Jazz world.  Contemporary players want a happy medium that combines the old ways with a few of the new techniques unless you're playing some type of weird electronic music that needs a lot of "white noise" which Zildjian also provides.

...Yamaha knows how to make kits.  They are craftsmen which a lot of the new companies know nothing about. ;)  Ask "ddrum".  A lot of the major records that we hear have a drum sound provided by Yamaha Drum Corp.  Their product is by far one of the best out there and...key word...."TRUSTED".  Top 3 to be exact. 

...sure, none of us can make you like anything but coming on to the boards and stating some off the wall random comment that has no type of facts that can make anyone agree with you is just ridiculous. 

...I state the obvious....Yamaha and Zildjian are not just names in the Music Industry.  Go to any Pro Session with one of these Rinky Drum Company kits and see if they don't leave your junk in the trunk of your vehicle while you have to play on a Yammy, DW Ludwig or Gretsch.  And yes, I did say Pro Session or Major Recording Session and not Lil' Ray Ray's studio down the skreet in a room in his crib. ;)



my man, u nailed it, thats just like saying Gibraltar is old so I don't like it, well they have some of the most durable hardware out, AND it is a household name if the the artist or studio isn't gettin the same hardware as the drums,