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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: on September 14, 2004, 01:58:07 PM
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The book of 1 Corinthains talk alot about divisions of the
Body of Christ, as I study I wonder where did the many different beliefs come from. Baptist, Pentacostal, Methodist, Cathalic, etc. 1 Corinthains 12: 12-29 gives us the perfect example of how the Church should opperate. Thats by gifts and different roles that each person plays in the church, not different denomonations making up the Body of Christ. I was raised a Baptist but when I left home and joined the Air Force I began to study the word and ask questions. If someone asks me "what are you", I tell them Im saved. I feel if anyone is a part of a denomination and limit themselves to what they are willing to except or even learn they are confused or stubborn about the whole Word of God, "The Whole Truth".
I know some people have been raised to believe a certain belief from day one, but when someone reveals the truth, they are more like, "My Mama told me this and Im sticking to it.
What are your thoughts,
Holla at ya boy.
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I totally agree with you, when people ask me what i am i tel lthem i'm saved. i've been to a A.M.E church a baptist, apostolic, C.O.G.I.C, pentecostal, and even an S.D.A church and my thing is as long you are teaching Jesus Crucified, buried and Him raising up for the remission of sins then what does it matter? Question, do you think that heaven is sectioned off ? you know Baptist down front, pentecostals on the right, apostolics on the left...etc? I know that a lot of the denominatinos are stared because of different accurances like Martin Luther and the 95 thesis, and then there was Calvin, and then there's the baptist movement and the pentecostal movement.. i just think that people get so wraped in unecessary "things" when there are so many souls out there that don't knwo about the love of God.
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I agree also. We've got enough division in the world today. When people ask me "what am I", I tell them..."I'm a Jesus man!" Peace!
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I'm not for division in the Body of Christ, division is totally of the devil. When a person will only listen to those in their denomination, something is definitely wrong . . . as Paul told the Corinthians. However, I think that sometimes denominations give baby saints some structure that they may need as they take their first few steps of faith. As they grow in the Word, they can realize that denominations mean nothing and anything that divides the Body of Christ isn't good.
Now, unfortunately, some people have never grown that much; they still think that their denomination is the only right denomination. That is sad because you can learn so much from other people . . . AS LONG AS THEY ARE BIBLICALLY BASED, that is.
So to recap, I think that sometimes people may INITIALLY need the structure that a certain denomination may give. Hopefully though, as they feed on GOD's Word, their faith will grow and they will mature, too.
Be Blessed . . .
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I agree. I have never been into denomination..thats the biggest trick the enemy has used to pull believers apart..its makes no sense to me...for christians to separate themselves of baptist, methodist and so on. As long as we believe the Bible .. and live this in our daily living. The perfectness will come when God says its time. Most of our musicians believe the same way or have one thing in common and that music....LOL :lol:
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I tend to think along similar lines. We are all part of a body of Christ - regardless of our denominations. I struggled with that thought as a teen actually, and this is what I feel is true right now. Many denominations were created out of necessity - for instance, the AME church was created because black folks weren't allowed to worship the same way as white folks in the church...so they had to separate. People separate because they have to or because of differing beliefs. But essentially, if you're a Christian, you all believe the same core things. Given that, I think that the reason why separate denominations are maintained even when they don't have to anymore (because the reason for their origin/creation no longer exists - like that of the AME church), is because of the CULTURE each church creates. Each church has its own style of everything - it's worship, it's praise, it's traditions and rituals....and people grow accustomed to different things according to their own style and upbringing. Personally, I feel comfortable in any place that truly worships and magnifies God and is about the mission and love.
I gotta go....time to get off of work, but I had to write that down because I feel so strongly about it.
Stay sweet everyone
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I have to agree. It doesnt matter what "division" is placed on the four walls call "church". What does matter is the relationship you build with Christ and what you take from the spiritual bond that just happens to take shape within those walls.. :D
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1st off Apostolic/Pentecostal is the same thing. :) it doesn't matter what denomination you are as long as you're being taught correctly. The Bible distinctly tells us to follow the old path "for straight is the gate and narrow the way" often times you find too many people who want to compromise the true word of God to become popular or benefit them in their shortcomings so they find others who agree with them and that's how different church denominations get started. truth be told, and i know no 1 wants to hear this, but in the book of ACTS when Pentecost fell thats what started the 1st and true church with healings, casting out devils, and speaking in tongues. so if we follow this way we can't go wrong. ultimately, we should learn of God for ourselves and not rely on others to tell us what the word says because in the end well all stand b4 God and the books shall be opened and every man shall give account of him/herself to God. stay blessed.
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Praise the Lord my people! I agree that the church shouldn't be divided. However the reason the church is divided is because of different beliefs. The baptist belive one thing, the catholic believe one thing etc.. These beliefs supposed to be predicated upon the bible, however its the tradition of man. My church is considered none denomination. We're also considered apostolic. The suffix (lic) in apostolic means like. The bible tells us to follow the teaching of the apostles and thats why we're considered apostolic. I've tried many denominations and found where I am now is truly where the bible is being taught and not mans tradition. :)
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I dont know the hisorical facts about the start of denominations or anything of the sort. I just know from what I have witness.
If you look in the phone book ( yellow pages) under Churches, you will see no less than 25 different categories of churches : Assemblies of God, Baptist, COGIC , Church of God, Non Denominational, etc... even Holiness, Pentecostal and Apostilic are each in seperate categories. Arent they the same? I dont know.
Again, this is just from what I have witnessed. Alot of these "denominations" are created because members of one Church:
1. dont like whats going on at that church, or
2. they want to do some things, get told that they cant do it, then get mad and leave and start there own church, or
3. dont agree with the doctrine/rules of a movement and leave to start there own movement.
That way you can be your own boss, so to speak, take a few people with you who feel the same way you do and get them to help recruit and bring in others, do things the way you want to do them and not be held accountable or answer to anyone.
Change your affiliation from "Baptist", to "New Batist International" or something of that nature.
Its more of a matter of convenience and control more so than what you believe God wants as interpreted from the Bible.
I have seen these things with my own eyes, on more than 1 occassion.
DCW
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About "New Baptist International"
If, coincidentally, someone here happens to be "NBI" I was not refering to you necessarilly. I just made that term up. I have know idea if there even is such a group. It was used to make a point.
So, if you do exist please know that I was not talking about you.
Just thought I would make sure not to insult anyone.
DCW
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Youngwill;
I agree with you. When the disciples became apostles, they didn't divide to start their own message. They divide to spread the Gospel throughout the world.
Denominations were created by people who want to be separated from another group and/or people who were raised in that particular denomination and kept that faith. But I've learned as I grown in Christ that there is only one (real) denomination - and that's the denomination of the Lord Jesus Christ, whom no other can we be saved. When we died we won't be judged by our denominatoin or separated in Heaven by who's in Paul group or John's Group. We will all be together as brothers and sisters in Christ.
Joy
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Hey Dcweat;
You forgot Christian Science. :D
Joy
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I think there´s no problem in having different denominations. In respect of diversity it is a real blessing ! There are many ways to praise God and so you can choose a way that you like best, whether you like to just shout it out to the world in joyful gospel songs or you prefer the meditative sound of Taizé songs.
The only thing that is important to me is that all denominations accept that all christians have the same devotion to God, there is no superior way.
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I myself was born again in a church that preached the truth. They preached Acts 2:38 as the first steps toward salvation. After the Holy Ghost had come upon the 120 that where in the upper room, those of the other nations that were gathered outside were puzzled by what was going on. Some mocked it, some thought they were drunk, but thank God for the ones that wanted to posess what the hundred and twenty had recieved from God. The apstles had specific instructions from Jesus himself on what to tell the multitudes in order to be saved. He had just left them a short time ago. So when those that where "pricked in thier hearts" wanted to know how to recieve what they had just seen. Peter said to them..
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar of, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
In verse 47 it says:
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to THE CHURCH daily such as should be saved.
God had added people daily to THE CHURCH... not the Catholic, or Baptist, or any other Denomination. Division is of man not of God. We need to get back to preaching the message in the Book of Acts... and start saving multitudes as it was in the days of the apostles.
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The only thing that is important to me is that all denominations accept that all christians have the same devotion to God, there is no superior way.
B, In theory, that works GREAT!!. In reality, we all know that certain denominations feel that they are right, the only ones who are right, and anyone who isnt apart of their movement "aint really saved". Some feel if you dont speak, walk, dress, praise, etc.. the way we do at our church, then you "aint got IT".
Im just speaking the truth.
DCW
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...speaking of which: If you all aren't Apostolic, you're a heathen and you're going to hell!!!
:D :D :D Just kidding. :D :lol:
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Dcweat;
I know what you're saying. Its a shame that people are going to hell by the buckets and born again Christians want to dispute over denominations.
But, the bible tells us to trust no man. It also says in the end-time the very elect are going to be deceived. In light of that, James 4:12 says, "There is one law giver, who is able to save and destroy who art thou that judgest another?" Meaning, no one has the power to put us in heaven or in hell. If someone says, you have to be "Apostolic" (just an example) since Bro. 3WannaB picked this one, ask them to show it to you in the bible where it has to say you have to be any denomination. In fact, you won't find "Apostolic in the bible. But, if anyone can find it, please correct me.
We have a purpose here and that's to love God with our whole heart and to tell others about Him.
Be blessed,
Joy
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Just thought I'd quote myself, to get some feedback
I myself was born again in a church that preached the truth. They preached Acts 2:38 as the first steps toward salvation. After the Holy Ghost had come upon the 120 that where in the upper room, those of the other nations that were gathered outside were puzzled by what was going on. Some mocked it, some thought they were drunk, but thank God for the ones that wanted to posess what the hundred and twenty had recieved from God. The apstles had specific instructions from Jesus himself on what to tell the multitudes in order to be saved. He had just left them a short time ago. So when those that where "pricked in thier hearts" wanted to know how to recieve what they had just seen. Peter said to them..
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar of, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
In verse 47 it says:
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to THE CHURCH daily such as should be saved.
God had added people daily to THE CHURCH... not the Catholic, or Baptist, or any other Denomination. Division is of man not of God. We need to get back to preaching the message in the Book of Acts... and start saving multitudes as it was in the days of the apostles.
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I know some people have been raised to believe a certain belief from day one, but when someone reveals the truth, they are more like, "My Mama told me this and Im sticking to it.
Personal experience: most of my family is catholic, so, when my mother started going to "church" she went there. Then we moved to baptist, then a "faith" church, then some mixed-up stuff. Nevertheless, even when I reached my later teen years, I was seeking the truth and I found it. I asked the Lord to show me where I should fellowship and he showed me. I wasn't sure so I asked him again; I received the same answer. So, I obeyed and it was there that I received the truth (which will make us free), my deliverances and was born of water and of the Spirit. So when people ask me what I am, I say that i'm born again. I don't say that i'm a christian because so many idol worshipping "churches" identify themselves with the same title. I would go even further to say that when we are born of our parents, we take on their name .... sooo ..... if we are born of the Spirit then we take on the name of the Spirit, right? :) ...
Act 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Jesus Christ
God had added people daily to THE CHURCH... not the Catholic, or Baptist, or any other Denomination. Division is of man not of God. We need to get back to preaching the message in the Book of Acts... and start saving multitudes as it was in the days of the apostles.
I agree... I think some people misunderstand or misinterpret 1Cr 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." I've heard some talk about this scripture when related to this very topic. They say that this means there are different denominations. In fact, "differences of administrations" means different ministries. I suppose a good example to use is our workplace. They go through different administrations. I know my company has gone through different administrators over the past few years, yet it's the same company witht he same purpose.
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Denomination = denominator = division
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
When it comes to kingdom living, there is only one doctrine (as there is one Lord). Anything contrary to that is considered doctrines of men, doctrines of devils and strange doctrines.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
The apostles took what Jesus taught them and in turn taught others, in like manner.
Jesus blessings!!!
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Kia;
You couldn't have put it any better.
In follow up to my previous post; Hebrews 10:23-25 says,
"Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who
promised is faithful. And let us consider one another in order to stir up
love and good works, [not forsakeing the assembling of ourselves
together], as a manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so
much the more as yee see the Day approaching."
Joy [/b]
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First giving honor to GOD passa nem every ones every ones
Im just glad to be SAVED :wink:
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:lol: I agree as well. My response when asked What am I. I am a Christian.
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Good morning people and God bless you all. The earliest division in the chruch was in the new testament. It occured when the orthodox jews and the jews that were for Christ (the new testament) began to disagree with one another. This was the first division of the church. The other denominations started as the church began to grow. As other nations began to believe in Christ they began to incorporate things of that nation. As always it isn't good to mix things of the world with the things of God. So I have to agree that denominations are not good. The bible teaches to eat the whole roll. Becase the whole roll is bitter to the taste, some chruches began to eat only a portion and think that this was the right thing to do. Becasue this is the world that we live in we must choose to be part of a denomination. Even a non-denominational church is a denomination (think about it)! We must choose a church that is for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us God! We have to be able to take both the bitter and the sweet of the word of God. If we don't then we suffer the same fate as a sinner that never comes to the knowledge of truth. It's not good enough for us to be part of something and never fully live it. The denomination doesn't matter, it's the life you choose to live.
Be glad in knowing that God has blessed you already! He has already made a way out of no way, and if he hasn't, then he has the power to see you through it.
I love you all,
Rev. Cecil Ramey
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Good morning people and God bless you all. The earliest division in the chruch was in the new testament. It occured when the orthodox jews and the jews that were for Christ (the new testament) began to disagree with one another. This was the first division of the church. The other denominations started as the church began to grow. As other nations began to believe in Christ they began to incorporate things of that nation. As always it isn't good to mix things of the world with the things of God. So I have to agree that denominations are not good. The bible teaches to eat the whole roll. Becase the whole roll is bitter to the taste, some chruches began to eat only a portion and think that this was the right thing to do. Becasue this is the world that we live in we must choose to be part of a denomination. Even a non-denominational church is a denomination (think about it)! We must choose a church that is for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us God! We have to be able to take both the bitter and the sweet of the word of God.
amen, this is so true and it's sad that when you don't want to or don't identify yourself or the ministry as a denomination (for reasons mentioned in several posts) that you're looked upon as being in an occult ... a co-worker said that to me several years ago. I know that sometimes we may ask a person what "kinda" church they belong to for the sake of basically knowing what they believe or "where they are," but it's even more sad to know that not all ministries in a certain "denomination" believe the same (not all baptist believe like other baptist, not all apostolic believe like other apostolic). Lord have mercy, even more division.
I've heard how a certain minister believed bible doctrine concerning a certain subject, but because of fear of the people they leaned to preaching & teaching what the people wanted to hear.
Jesus blessings!!