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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: CARLISLE on December 17, 2007, 03:54:30 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A59dqTC2a18
never here much bout quest
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Maybe so, but outside of this pond, he's definitely talked about in other places.
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tru
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Since you're the topic starter, what is it that you'd like to discuss about Questlove?
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Why would he be considered as an "under rated" drummer?
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Maybe so, but outside of this pond, he's definitely talked about in other places.
Ditto.
...and that's words! Much respect to and for ?love. Sabe and I was talking about him 2 weeks ago. I have every (every) album/EP of The Roots. Respect!
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he has been one of my favorite self taught drummer and he has been in hiphop struggling since da beginning
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I've been a fan of his since The Roots first debuted. He is one of the top groove masters in the game. He may not be talked about as much as other drummers, but he works the most. His playing is understated, yet powerful. He respects his job, which is to hold the groove down. Much respect.
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I dont think he's under rated. Cut that afro off and you have a regular cat. In some cases, image can play a big part. Ive never heard him play anything that wasnt 1 2 3, A B C. And the one chance I thought I would get to hear him open up, (The Philadelphia Experiment) I was fairly dissapointed, like, ok I gues he really is just a 1 2 3, A B C kind of player.
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i dont have da video of him playin it. but he did da track on Erykah Badu cd, mamas gun. song penitentiary philosophy. naw he didnt fill in every blank but da work was priceless
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I dont think he's under rated. Cut that afro off and you have a regular cat. In some cases, image can play a big part. Ive never heard him play anything that wasnt 1 2 3, A B C. And the one chance I thought I would get to hear him open up, (The Philadelphia Experiment) I was fairly dissapointed, like, ok I gues he is really just a 1 2 3, A B C kind of player.
while respecting his accomplishments in the music industry, i'm gonna have to second that...
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I understand where you cats are coming from too, but not everyone can play "123 ABC." If that was the case we would all be getting that phone call. Just because I can play "123 ABC," doesn't mean I can make it FEEL like Quest, Steve Jordan and let alone Steve Gadd. They hold those intangibles and that's why they get called back (let alone they know everyone in the business LOL). However Badu's Mama's guns is definetly one that you need to listen too, his drumming is really tight on that man.
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He's never underrated he is pockett king hands down the man is so clean and solid if you didn't no his playing he sounds like a track playing ya'll remember erika badu song you got me writing by jill scott she did with the roots and at the end of the song that was bro ?uest love killing so never underrated one of my favorite top drummers
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Cut that afro off and you have a regular cat. In some cases, image can play a big part.
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oh and btw, ?love was the MD for this project, so enough said LOL!!! That album is crazy too....
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Speaking of ?uest ......I was just watching this clip a few days ago. He speaks about the use of the ribbon mics and I never had anyone "tape a t-shirt to the front of the kick for maximum punch." I tried it on my 22" Rockstar kick w/Remo Powerstroke 4 head and it did give it a unique sound on the recording. I don't like to use the same sounding kit on every song, so I will definitely use that in the future. God Bless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMiGqA6xtA
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yall gone make me :'( over here with all da luv. takes me back to one of the best movie ever made brown sugar, but i dont want to stay on hiphop to long b/c i know how brutal things can get ;D ;D ;D ;D
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but i dont want to stay on hiphop to long b/c i know how brutal things can get
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(The Philadelphia Experiment) I was fairly dissapointed, like, ok I gues he really is just a 1 2 3, A B C kind of player.
I have to remember how good da fam is some of u cats been on gospelchops. that like the black modern drummer
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Dude on Drum is just messy messy messy! Say something, I dare you Domestic on Domestic... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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(The Philadelphia Experiment) I was fairly dissapointed, like, ok I gues he really is just a 1 2 3, A B C kind of player.
I have to remember how good da fam is some of u cats been on gospelchops. that like the black modern drummer
Okay!
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A59dqTC2a18[/url]
never here much bout quest
(The Philadelphia Experiment) I was fairly dissapointed, like, ok I gues he really is just a 1 2 3, A B C kind of player.
I have to remember how good da fam is some of u cats been on gospelchops. that like the black modern drummer
Got confusion?
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Got confusion?
(http://images2.dripbook.com/thumb/10000/376/18/8165_5bda2.jpg) Maybe!!!!
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Under Rated? Are you kidding? Questlove has to be the most foundation of music today of drummers. This brother can lay down groove, lay down groove, lay down groove, lay down groove, lay down groove. If you see him as a 1 2 3 A B C kind of player, you really have no definition of what true complexity is.
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Questlove has to be the most foundation of music today of drummers.
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not like this gets me any clout around these parts, but I used to watch him on South Street is philly with his little 3 piece set up. What im saying is he taught me without knowing it how to really play..
123ABC all day long!!!!! When you can "hear the inside of a person on the outside " then you got it!!!
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not like this gets me any clout around these parts, but I used to watch him on South Street is philly with his little 3 piece set up. What im saying is he taught me without knowing it how to really play..
123ABC all day long!!!!! When you can "hear the inside of a person on the outside " then you got it!!!
wow u got mad respect in my book thats just something we down south cats dream of man all we have to look up to is john blackwell ;D ;D ;D ;D
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while respecting his accomplishments in the music industry, i'm gonna have to second that...
I third it. He definetly seems like a cool dude though, but as far as a drummer he's defintly good at what he does, but given his spot I think any main stream or even most solid amature drummers would have no problem doing what he does. I'm talking discipline musicians, not chop addicts.
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Got confusion?
no im not confuse i just learn how to separate da to
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Now hear this. Quest is good at what he does. 123,ABC. That pays his bills. Im happy for him but I dont play to pay bills. I play for the adventure. He is not underated. He is a non-talked about drummer for a reason. You never see him in anyone's top or favorite drummer's list for a reason. Hence the fact that a thread like this even has to get started. His image out-weighs his talent. Just face it.
Now, take Vinnie and put him with the roots. Take Chris Dave and put him with the roots. Take "The Bishop" Thomas Pridgen and put him with the roots. Take Spanky and put him with the roots. What do you get? Go ahead and answer for yourself.
Now, take Quest and put him with Alan Holdsworth. Then put him with Robert Glasper. Then put him with The Mars Volta. Then put him with Tye Tribbett. What do you get?- Wait I wanna answer this...a disaster!!! :D :D
My point is, there are too many musicians who can do what he does musically and probably do it a lot better. And by his particular genera of works, it seems as though he can only do one thing. Hurray for Quest!!! He is severly lacking in versatility and until I hear him step out of that elementary box of basic hip-hop drumming, then I cant personally rate him any higher.
And to Mr. Lumpkin, there is no need to challenge me sir. I know what true complexity is. Its............whatever ?love does'nt play. :P
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Now hear this. Quest is good at what he does. 123,ABC. That pays his bills. Im happy for him but I dont play to pay bills. I play for the adventure. He is not underated. He is a non-talked about drummer for a reason. You never see him in anyone's top or favorite drummer's list for a reason. Hence the fact that a thread like this even has to get started. His image out-weighs his talent. Just face it.
Now, take Vinnie and put him with the roots. Take Chris Dave and put him with the roots. Take "The Bishop" Thomas Pridgen and put him with the roots. Take Spanky and put him with the roots. What do you get? Go ahead and answer for yourself.
Now, take Quest and put him with Alan Holdsworth. Then put him with Robert Glasper. Then put him with The Mars Volta. Then put him with Tye Tribbett. What do you get?- Wait I wanna answer this...a disaster!!! :D :D
My point is, there are too many musicians who can do what he does musically and probably do it a lot better. And by his particular genera of works, it seems as though he can only do one thing. Hurray for Quest!!! He is severly lacking in versatility and until I hear him step out of that elementary box of basic hip-hop drumming, then I cant personally rate him any higher.
And to Mr. Lumpkin, there is no need to challenge me sir. I know what true complexity is. Its............whatever ?love does'nt play. :P
lol...MASSIVE!!!!
GodsDrummEr...
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Now hear this. Quest is good at what he does. 123,ABC. That pays his bills. Im happy for him but I dont play to pay bills. I play for the adventure. He is not underated. He is a non-talked about drummer for a reason. You never see him in anyone's top or favorite drummer's list for a reason. Hence the fact that a thread like this even has to get started. His image out-weighs his talent. Just face it.
Now, take Vinnie and put him with the roots. Take Chris Dave and put him with the roots. Take "The Bishop" Thomas Pridgen and put him with the roots. Take Spanky and put him with the roots. What do you get? Go ahead and answer for yourself.
Now, take Quest and put him with Alan Holdsworth. Then put him with Robert Glasper. Then put him with The Mars Volta. Then put him with Tye Tribbett. What do you get?- Wait I wanna answer this...a disaster!!! :D :D
My point is, there are too many musicians who can do what he does musically and probably do it a lot better. And by his particular genera of works, it seems as though he can only do one thing. Hurray for Quest!!! He is severly lacking in versatility and until I hear him step out of that elementary box of basic hip-hop drumming, then I cant personally rate him any higher.
And to Mr. Lumpkin, there is no need to challenge me sir. I know what true complexity is. Its............whatever ?love does'nt play. :P
Now hear THIS, sir.
Its fine that you play music for the adventure. I will not allow you to bash a man for making the decision to sustain himself by playing music. You do not know why he plays the gigs that he does. All you can do is specualte.
Ok, so you saw an advertisement that had ?uest's likeness in it. His body of work is emense. The man plays tracks that sound programed. Do you realize just how hard it can be to immitate a track? Its truly the things that he doesn't play that makes him a great player. With the way you're talking, you probably think that Gadd is just another guy too.
Now as far as the whole "take 'x' player and put him here" argument, that is totally bogus. Ok, for arguments sake, put Jeff "Tain" Watts, or Terreon Gully with Tye and see what happens.... That'll be REAL interesting. Even cats of simular background will sound different simply because of their approach to the music. I can 100% promise you that if you me and you played with the same cats and played the exact same songs, they'd sound different. So who is better than who?
And whats wrong with being a music specialist? Is Elvin Jones, Max Roach, or Buddy Rich any less great becaude they only played "jazz" and never cared to play a back beat? If everyone did everything, who would teach someone the true art of a specific genere? Because remember... there are no masters of any ONE craft.
Get in where you fit in and give this guy the respect that he deserves as a musician.
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WOW..now this is going to be interesting....ok round 2...
GodsDrUmmer... ;D
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Now hear THIS, sir.
Its fine that you play music for the adventure. I will not allow you to bash a man for making the decision to sustain himself by playing music. You do not know why he plays the gigs that he does. All you can do is specualte.
Ok, so you saw an advertisement that had ?uest's likeness in it. His body of work is emense. The man plays tracks that sound programed. Do you realize just how hard it can be to immitate a track? Its truly the things that he doesn't play that makes him a great player. With the way you're talking, you probably think that Gadd is just another guy too.
Now as far as the whole "take 'x' player and put him here" argument, that is totally bogus. Ok, for arguments sake, put Jeff "Tain" Watts, or Terreon Gully with Tye and see what happens.... That'll be REAL interesting. Even cats of simular background will sound different simply because of their approach to the music. I can 100% promise you that if you me and you played with the same cats and played the exact same songs, they'd sound different. So who is better than who?
And whats wrong with being a music specialist? Is Elvin Jones, Max Roach, or Buddy Rich any less great becaude they only played "jazz" and never cared to play a back beat? If everyone did everything, who would teach someone the true art of a specific genere? Because remember... there are no masters of any ONE craft.
Get in where you fit in and give this guy the respect that he deserves as a musician.
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lol...@ funky..
GodsDruMmer...
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Now hear THIS, sir.
Its fine that you play music for the adventure. I will not allow you to bash a man for making the decision to sustain himself by playing music. You do not know why he plays the gigs that he does. All you can do is specualte.
Ok, so you saw an advertisement that had ?uest's likeness in it. His body of work is emense. The man plays tracks that sound programed. Do you realize just how hard it can be to immitate a track? Its truly the things that he doesn't play that makes him a great player. With the way you're talking, you probably think that Gadd is just another guy too.
Now as far as the whole "take 'x' player and put him here" argument, that is totally bogus. Ok, for arguments sake, put Jeff "Tain" Watts, or Terreon Gully with Tye and see what happens.... That'll be REAL interesting. Even cats of simular background will sound different simply because of their approach to the music. I can 100% promise you that if you me and you played with the same cats and played the exact same songs, they'd sound different. So who is better than who?
And whats wrong with being a music specialist? Is Elvin Jones, Max Roach, or Buddy Rich any less great becaude they only played "jazz" and never cared to play a back beat? If everyone did everything, who would teach someone the true art of a specific genere? Because remember... there are no masters of any ONE craft.
Get in where you fit in and give this guy the respect that he deserves as a musician.
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now thats real talk
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Now hear THIS, sir.
Its fine that you play music for the adventure. I will not allow you to bash a man for making the decision to sustain himself by playing music. You do not know why he plays the gigs that he does. All you can do is specualte.
Ok, so you saw an advertisement that had ?uest's likeness in it. His body of work is emense. The man plays tracks that sound programed. Do you realize just how hard it can be to immitate a track? Its truly the things that he doesn't play that makes him a great player. With the way you're talking, you probably think that Gadd is just another guy too.
Now as far as the whole "take 'x' player and put him here" argument, that is totally bogus. Ok, for arguments sake, put Jeff "Tain" Watts, or Terreon Gully with Tye and see what happens.... That'll be REAL interesting. Even cats of simular background will sound different simply because of their approach to the music. I can 100% promise you that if you me and you played with the same cats and played the exact same songs, they'd sound different. So who is better than who?
And whats wrong with being a music specialist? Is Elvin Jones, Max Roach, or Buddy Rich any less great becaude they only played "jazz" and never cared to play a back beat? If everyone did everything, who would teach someone the true art of a specific genere? Because remember... there are no masters of any ONE craft.
Get in where you fit in and give this guy the respect that he deserves as a musician.
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Ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa! Youre applauding the fact that this guy is a "hip-hop speacialist!" LOL! :D I didnt know there was a such thing! LOL! Ok Juse, and the rest of the "Afro Thunder" boxer/drummer fans, how many of you want to only be known for mastering the art of hip-hop drumming? How many of you want to forget what a tom sounds like! :D Well...I dont hear any bangs and clashes from you all throwing all of your toms and cymbals in the dumpster! Lets go people! Let us all walk in the shadow of the Great Hip-Hop Chia Pet/Drummer! :D You guys are unbelievable. You measure a guys greatness by how many cats Dont talk about him and his dominance as a one diminsional drummer! LOL! :D
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Ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa! Youre applauding the fact that this guy is a "hip-hop speacialist!" LOL! :D I didnt know there was a such thing! LOL! Ok Juse, and the rest of the "Afro Thunder" boxer/drummer fans, how many of you want to only be known for mastering the art of hip-hop drumming? How many of you want to forget what a tom sounds like! :D Well...I dont hear any bangs and clashes from you all throwing all of your toms and cymbals in the dumpster! Lets go people! Let us all walk in the shadow of the Great Hip-Hop Chia Pet/Drummer! :D You guys are unbelievable. You measure a guys greatness by how many cats Dont talk about him and his dominance as a one diminsional drummer! LOL! :D
There is oft complexity in simplicity.
I think that we should just agree to disagree. :-\
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And about immitating a drum track. There is nothing impressive about that. And why would anyone want to do that? Why would you want to take a human element and mechanize it? Let an MPC be an MPC. Drummers should be drummers. Period.
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Now hear this. Quest is good at what he does. 123,ABC. That pays his bills. Im happy for him but I dont play to pay bills. I play for the adventure. He is not underated. He is a non-talked about drummer for a reason. You never see him in anyone's top or favorite drummer's list for a reason. Hence the fact that a thread like this even has to get started. His image out-weighs his talent. Just face it.
Now, take Vinnie and put him with the roots. Take Chris Dave and put him with the roots. Take "The Bishop" Thomas Pridgen and put him with the roots. Take Spanky and put him with the roots. What do you get? Go ahead and answer for yourself.
Now, take Quest and put him with Alan Holdsworth. Then put him with Robert Glasper. Then put him with The Mars Volta. Then put him with Tye Tribbett. What do you get?- Wait I wanna answer this...a disaster!!! :D :D
My point is, there are too many musicians who can do what he does musically and probably do it a lot better. And by his particular genera of works, it seems as though he can only do one thing. Hurray for Quest!!! He is severly lacking in versatility and until I hear him step out of that elementary box of basic hip-hop drumming, then I cant personally rate him any higher.
And to Mr. Lumpkin, there is no need to challenge me sir. I know what true complexity is. Its............whatever ?love does'nt play. :P
Your ignorance suprises me, however there is no challenge to true foundation. Dude on Drums, lets talk. True complexity is what, Chris Dave, Spanky, Terry Bozzio, Elvin Jones, Terreon Gully, or Jeff "Tain" Watts? Listen, complexity is nothing but a high form of simplicity. And after that form of complexity is accomplished you move on to a higher form of simplicity. Why is it that you can groove your complexity over Questloves simplicity? And with or without you, he still stands solid? How many samples have you submitted to Jay-Z, Common, Erykah Badu, or The Roots? Here's a fact Trumpeteer / Writer / Grammy Winner / Arranger Roy Hargrove had Questlove on his "Hardgroove" album laying down some drum tracks. Now, not coming against you, but if he saw his true musicality, then where are your "drummer rates and standards" built upon?
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Your ignorance suprises me, however there is no challenge to true foundation. Dude on Drums, lets talk. True complexity is what, Chris Dave, Spanky, Terry Bozzio, Elvin Jones, Terreon Gully, or Jeff "Tain" Watts? Listen, complexity is nothing but a high form of simplicity. And after that form of complexity is accomplished you move on to a higher form of simplicity. Why is it that you can groove your complexity over Questloves simplicity? And with or without you, he still stands solid? How many samples have you submitted to Jay-Z, Common, Erykah Badu, or The Roots? Here's a fact Trumpeteer / Writer / Grammy Winner / Arranger Roy Hargrove had Questlove on his "Hardgroove" album laying down some drum tracks. Now, not coming against you, but if he saw his true musicality, then where are your "drummer rates and standards" built upon?
Troof
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Personally brothers, he is one of my favorite drummers! ;) Everyone has their own "claim to fame" as far as style goes, he just happens to be a highly sought after "hip hop drummer". ;D I felt the same way about him being an "a b c 1 2 3 type drummer until I learned a little more about his background and I had to change my mindset. :o
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Your ignorance suprises me, however there is no challenge to true foundation. Dude on Drums, lets talk. True complexity is what, Chris Dave, Spanky, Terry Bozzio, Elvin Jones, Terreon Gully, or Jeff "Tain" Watts? Listen, complexity is nothing but a high form of simplicity. And after that form of complexity is accomplished you move on to a higher form of simplicity. Why is it that you can groove your complexity over Questloves simplicity? And with or without you, he still stands solid? How many samples have you submitted to Jay-Z, Common, Erykah Badu, or The Roots? Here's a fact Trumpeteer / Writer / Grammy Winner / Arranger Roy Hargrove had Questlove on his "Hardgroove" album laying down some drum tracks. Now, not coming against you, but if he saw his true musicality, then where are your "drummer rates and standards" built upon?
You are missing my point completely. My focus is him being one diminsional. How can he be considered underated when he hasnt done anything outside of 2 and 4. Kick and snare. Like I said, he's good at what he does, which is (in my opinion) much of nothing. I dont want to be that drummer who can be easily replaced with the simplist drum programming. Like I said, whats the point of immitating a machine? How can you be considered great in that aspect?
And the more hip-hop names you drop, the more you support my statements. Is that your goal Lumpkin? Would you trade all of your jazz skills to make some major bread with Jay-Z? I guess that would depend on the reason why you play. And if you check my music page, you will see that I can attack a hip-hop groove as well, but if you keep listening, you will see that there is a lot more to me than 2 & 4. My rates and standards are built upon.....Versitility.
And who cares if Roy Hargrove had him on a track. If Quest wasnt playing jazz, then why does it matter? He was probably still in his box of 2 & 4. There is so much more to drumming than hip-hop beats. Im not taking anything away from him but it is what it is. He's not underated. He's right where he's supposed to be. In a box and outside of everyone's drum conversations...simply cause there isnt much to talk about!
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No matter what is said, D.O.D is going to do what he does. Give his opinion. It's very rare that he agrees with the majority. Not that he has to. So if he doesn't embrace ?uestlove as we do, then let him feel that way. This is not the first time he has disagreed, nor will it be the last. Let's not go back and forth. Either way it goes, ?uestlove will get the calls that many of us wish for.
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And about immitating a drum track. There is nothing impressive about that. And why would anyone want to do that? Why would you want to take a human element and mechanize it? Let an MPC be an MPC. Drummers should be drummers. Period.
Also, with that being said, why are you sometimes referred to as "drumma-sheen" Sir?
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Also, with that being said, why are you sometimes referred to as "drumma-sheen" Sir?
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You are missing my point completely. My focus is him being one diminsional. How can he be considered underated when he hasnt done anything outside of 2 and 4. Kick and snare. Like I said, he's good at what he does, which is (in my opinion) much of nothing. I dont want to be that drummer who can be easily replaced with the simplist drum programming. Like I said, whats the point of immitating a machine? How can you be considered great in that aspect?
And the more hip-hop names you drop, the more you support my statements. Is that your goal Lumpkin? Would you trade all of your jazz skills to make some major bread with Jay-Z? I guess that would depend on the reason why you play. And if you check my music page, you will see that I can attack a hip-hop groove as well, but if you keep listening, you will see that there is a lot more to me than 2 & 4. My rates and standards are built upon.....Versitility.
And who cares if Roy Hargrove had him on a track. If Quest wasnt playing jazz, then why does it matter? He was probably still in his box of 2 & 4. There is so much more to drumming than hip-hop beats. Im not taking anything away from him but it is what it is. He's not underated. He's right where he's supposed to be. In a box and outside of everyone's drum conversations...simply cause there isnt much to talk about!
Dude, if you would have checked out some of his interviews before you would have ran across the statement he made about him going to check out jazz drummers in New York, specificly Elvin Jones. Wait, Wait, Wait, ONE-DIMENSIONAL????? Ok, did you know that Louis Armstrong the father of jazz and pop singing said that "Be-Bop" was not jazz. So, does that make him one-dimensional?? The answer is yes, however Dizzy Gillespie who took the torch right after him into "Be-Bop" credits Louis Armstrong for his accomplishment of be-bop perfection. Therefore, Dizzy took one mans foundation and carried it to the next dimmension of jazz so does that really make Louis Armstrong one-dimensional? The answer is no. You have to have true foresight of music to be able to make someones one dimension a universe, that's why people say music is so universal. As the Egyptians stated "Personality without individuality is what we strive for" So, him being one-dimensional and not much to talk about serves what justice in music?
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Dude, if you would have checked out some of his interviews before you would have ran across the statement he made about him going to check out jazz drummers in New York, specificly Elvin Jones. Wait, Wait, Wait, ONE-DIMENSIONAL????? Ok, did you know that Louis Armstrong the father of jazz and pop singing said that "Be-Bop" was not jazz. So, does that make him one-dimensional?? The answer is yes, however Dizzy Gillespie who took the torch right after him into "Be-Bop" credits Louis Armstrong for his accomplishment of be-bop perfection. Therefore, Dizzy took one mans foundation and carried it to the next dimmension of jazz so does that really make Louis Armstrong one-dimensional? The answer is no. You have to have true foresight of music to be able to make someones one dimension a universe, that's why people say music is so universal. As the Egyptians stated "Personality without individuality is what we strive for" So, him being one-dimensional and not much to talk about serves what justice in music?
So youre saying that ?love was inspired by jazz? I can respect that, but that does'nt take away from the fact that he's one diminsional. It is what it is. Jordan was not considered the greatest because he was only good at dunking the ball. He dominated every aspect of the game. My point still remains that there is a lot more to drumming than just 2 and 4. Kick, snare and hi-hat. If you want to go to the NBA and be the best blocker then so be it. On top of that, I'll say, "Man he is the best blocker!" But I will not say "He's a great player" because there is much more to the game of basketball than just blocking shots.
And could you re-phrase your last question cause Im not sure exactly what youre asking? And I'm not quite sure about the point youre making with the Egyptians statement either. Wow! You guys have to go through alot to justify calling ?love underated! But whatever. Agree to Disagree like Juse said.
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So youre saying that ?love was inspired by jazz? I can respect that, but that does'nt take away from the fact that he's one diminsional. It is what it is. Jordan was not considered the greatest because he was only good at dunking the ball. He dominated every aspect of the game. My point still remains that there is a lot more to drumming than just 2 and 4. Kick, snare and hi-hat. If you want to go to the NBA and be the best blocker then so be it. On top of that, I'll say, "Man he is the best blocker!" But I will not say "He's a great player" because there is much more to the game of basketball than just blocking shots.
And could you re-phrase your last question cause Im not sure exactly what youre asking? And I'm not quite sure about the point youre making with the Egyptians statement either. Wow! You guys have to go through alot to justify calling ?love underated! But whatever. Agree to Disagree like Juse said.
Here's the bottomline, "Who's the Greatest Drummer?" Exactly, they are all great in there own ways in support of one cause, true MUSIC from the inside bro.
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Here's the bottomline, "Who's the Greatest Drummer?" Exactly, they are all great in there own ways in support of one cause, true MUSIC from the inside bro.
Toast to that. True music from the inside bro.
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He's never underrated he is pockett king hands down the man is so clean and solid if you didn't no his playing he sounds like a track playing ya'll remember erika badu song you got me writing by jill scott she did with the roots and at the end of the song that was bro ?uest love killing so never underrated one of my favorite top drummers
I'm not a drummer but that was one of the tightest grooves ive ever heard
Yall drummers are lucky, if we were to talk about a secular artist in any other room in LGM, the thread would be shut down right away
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I'm not a drummer but that was one of the tightest grooves ive ever heard
Yall drummers are lucky, if we were to talk about a secular artist in any other room in LGM, the thread would be shut down right away
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You are missing my point completely. My focus is him being one diminsional. How can he be considered underated when he hasnt done anything outside of 2 and 4. Kick and snare. Like I said, he's good at what he does, which is (in my opinion) much of nothing. I dont want to be that drummer who can be easily replaced with the simplist drum programming. Like I said, whats the point of immitating a machine? How can you be considered great in that aspect?
And the more hip-hop names you drop, the more you support my statements. Is that your goal Lumpkin? Would you trade all of your jazz skills to make some major bread with Jay-Z? I guess that would depend on the reason why you play. And if you check my music page, you will see that I can attack a hip-hop groove as well, but if you keep listening, you will see that there is a lot more to me than 2 & 4. My rates and standards are built upon.....Versitility.
And who cares if Roy Hargrove had him on a track. If Quest wasnt playing jazz, then why does it matter? He was probably still in his box of 2 & 4. There is so much more to drumming than hip-hop beats. Im not taking anything away from him but it is what it is. He's not underated. He's right where he's supposed to be. In a box and outside of everyone's drum conversations...simply cause there isnt much to talk about!
I feel whatchu sayin bro.
Buddy Rich and Max Raoch and nem were great drummers depsite the fact that they only played jazz because of what they added to the music. You can't sit here and tell someone that hip hop drumming requires the same skills and persition as jazz, and big band drumming because point blank it doesnt.
As far as what Quest does Chris Dave, and Spank, Calvin Rodgers, and whoever else could sit down and do what he does if given the opprotunity. It just so happens that what they play requires more.
Someone mentioned earlier about puttin quest with Tye Tribbett, lets see how many of us say he's solid then.
He's good at what he does but I dont think he could fill the shoes of a Calvin Rodgers, oor Buddy Rich, Dave Weckl, and that's just that.
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Buddy Rich and Max Raoch and nem were great drummers depsite the fact that they only played jazz because of what they added to the music. You can't sit here and tell someone that hip hop drumming requires the same skills and persition as jazz, and big band drumming because point blank it doesnt.
He's good at what he does but I dont think he could fill the shoes of a Calvin Rodgers, oor Buddy Rich, Dave Weckl, and that's just that.
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I feel whatchu sayin bro.
Buddy Rich and Max Raoch and nem were great drummers depsite the fact that they only played jazz because of what they added to the music. You can't sit here and tell someone that hip hop drumming requires the same skills and persition as jazz, and big band drumming because point blank it doesnt.
As far as what Quest does Chris Dave, and Spank, Calvin Rodgers, and whoever else could sit down and do what he does if given the opprotunity. It just so happens that what they play requires more.
Someone mentioned earlier about puttin quest with Tye Tribbett, lets see how many of us say he's solid then.
He's good at what he does but I dont think he could fill the shoes of a Calvin Rodgers, oor Buddy Rich, Dave Weckl, and that's just that.
Exactly! All those guys can do what he does, but he cant do what they do! -well, maybe they cant grow their hair that long ;D
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It's nothing wrong with having a niche, and Questlove is not exempt from having one.
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It's nothing wrong with having a niche, and Questlove is not exempt from having one.
...you mean glitch? Questlove definately has a glitch.
Nobody makes a big deal over something that everyone can do. They just dont.
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JFunky you are hilarious ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:D :D :D :D..man that was too funny..with all this being said i would to agree with SHEEN..and man i never do..and i dont even think that ? is GREAT at what he does,he is good at what he does,for the simple fact u can find a solid player anywhere,yes his grooves are hot and his snare and kick is SUPERIOR..but is that all that u have to offer...nothing more nothing less..i think its time for him to think outside the BUN...
GodsDruMmer..
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with all this being said i would to agree with SHEEN..and man i never do..and i dont even think that ? is GREAT at what he does,he is good at what he does,for the simple fact u can find a solid player anywhere,yes his grooves are hot and his snare and kick is SUPERIOR..but is that all that u have to offer...nothing more nothing less..i think its time for him to think outside the BUN...
GodsDruMmer..
...NO IT'S NOT TIME FOR HIM TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BUN YOU BURRITO!!! ;D ;D He makes his money doing what he does....gosh!!!!
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...NO IT'S NOT TIME FOR HIM TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BUN YOU BURRITO!!! ;D ;D He makes his money doing what he does....gosh!!!!
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well then again ur right..if it aint broke why fix it.....
GodDrummEr....
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like i said i 4got how gifted the fam is, and that this dude is under rated. dispite what a small part of da fam thinks that he alright. I think to develope a solid pocket u would have learn all technical sides of music. i think that he could shed wit da best even u sheen
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...you mean glitch? Questlove definately has a glitch.
Nobody makes a big deal over something that everyone can do. They just dont.
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It not just his playing that get him gigs. He from the roots there whole belief system is different and some people are attracted to it and dont even know it. Quest definently brings a different flavor. it wont fit probably with gospel he is hip hop and hip hop the only thing getting promoted in this commercial culture. quest is like the Krs of the drums. To the hip hop community quest have his place, to gospel spanky has his place.to every ones opinion LGM has a place. lol on another note I am going to the drum off in the Chi will be touching down friday night yeah..........
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L O L!!!
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like i said i 4got how gifted the fam is, and that this dude is under rated. dispite what a small part of da fam thinks that he alright. I think to develope a solid pocket u would have learn all technical sides of music. i think that he could shed wit da best even u sheen
Its not about chops or shedding. What does shedding have to do with ANY of this conversation? Please make me understand what that means?
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Its not about chops or shedding. What does shedding have to do with ANY of this conversation? Please make me understand what that means?
this whole thing was about quest and how he was under rated as a drummer. and there was a few guys that pointed out that he is abc,123 player.im just sayin if it came to it (i think) he could hold his own. wit chops or shedin ::) ::)
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i think that he could shed wit da best even u sheen
:D You are way off course with this one! :D Please dont mention my name with ?love. We are two totally different animals with two totally different ambitions.
Thats it for me. Be blessed fam.
on another note I am going to the drum off in the Chi will be touching down friday night yeah..........
Good luck!
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guess i came to late missed all the action! :-\
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guess i came to late missed all the action! :-\
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;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
What'd you do, funk? Pull this off of your desk?
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What'd you do, funk? Pull this off of your desk?
....Wahaaaahahaaaaahaaaa ;D ;D
No, man. They're pink down here. LOL
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....Wahaaaahahaaaaahaaaa ;D ;D
No, man. They're pink down here. LOL
those are referals arent they?!?!? :D ::)
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I have to remember how good da fam is some of u cats been on gospelchops. that like the black modern drummer
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little b drummer why you give me the duh award yo. lol
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are u kiddin my gold is to get good at my craft, so i can be on gospelchops
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are u kiddin my gold is to get good at my craft, so i can be on gospelchops
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Haha, Classic :D
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:D You are way off course with this one! :D Please dont mention my name with ?love. We are two totally different animals with two totally different ambitions.
Thats it for me. Be blessed fam.
Good luck!
You know as I look back at the original statement, something comes to mind.......I've never heard of ?Love playing on any gospel music albums or with any of the artists....I know that there are some drummers (popular) mentioned on this site that don't necessarily play gospel music, but there is even more that isn't mentioned. But anyway, 2 different brothers, 2 different styles. God bless. Amen!!!
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This topic is mad old, but i was browsing and lurking, as i have been for a while now, and i thought i would post a few vids of ?uest just to let it be known that his minimalistic style of drumming is one that he imposed on himself b/c every other drummer in Philly was doin all the fancy stuff. BUT, its not that he can't get down, he just doesnt. Enjoy.
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This topic is mad old, but i was browsing and lurking, as i have been for a while now, and i thought i would post a few vids of ?uest just to let it be known that his minimalistic style of drumming is one that he imposed on himself b/c every other drummer in Philly was doin all the fancy stuff. BUT, its not that he can't get down, he just doesnt. Enjoy.
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I like the percussionist on the second youtube clip. Even though the camera was focused on ?love so it made it seem like ? was playing all of the tones you heard... It was cool. I like ?love's approach.