Yea that lick was all about placement. If he had done it in the middle of the song it wouldn't have had the impact it had. Nonetheless, it was a cool lick that was well-placed and sounded good, even though it wasn't the most technically difficult thing in the world. And dude plays with mad energy and I can appreciate that, even if he does seem a bit over the top sometimes. Thanks Flat. GB ;)
yeah yo. thanks. the roll is not hard. I tried it and it was cool. But it was the way he came off with it that made look like he was doing something harder. The alteration was hot.
To be honest (allthough its off topic) im still wondering about that time signature in tony roysters clip you posted. he said 13 over 6???
could you or anybody else " ´splain" (in the words of bernard purdie) it to me?
I love that clip man!
Thanx for posting it!
Can a phrase of 13 be played on top of a count of 6?
Its close to being classified as impossible. Close enough to say not possible. And definately light years away from what Tony was actually playing!
...like I said before, those are Marsian Time Signatures and lol @ "from what Tony was "actually" playing! ;D
.......and to Vicfirth93 and JrDaDrumma where is all the attitude coming from? Who said anything about the lick being hard to do? It was nice. Thats all. You guys are somethin else.-Now, can you fulfill edough's request and write it out?
No attitude here dog, just saying the reason everybody was oooin' and ahhhn' was because he knew where to place the lick(sounds like a compliment to me), and I also said it sounded good(???), but because of the placement not because it was other-worldly difficult. I was making an observation(I can still do that right??) No need to go CIA on me lol. As for the second part of your statement, come talk me after a few months of my jazz lessons, and perhaps I can help you out with a transcription, until then dude...TOUGH BREAK! :D GB ;)
lol! Ok....I'll say it again. Who said the lick was difficult? Where does that fit in the topic of this thread? And dont worry about writing it out man. I was just reinforcing edough's request to Vicfirth93.
:D Just an FYI... these are two totally different, unrelated clips...
God bless
Indeed. We'll discuss the time signature stuff in another thread.
Q is nice. The vocals on the clip.... :-\ :-X
It was a mistake. There is no such thing as 13/6. For the first part of the vid he was playing in 10. The second part he was playing in 15.
In the SSV2 Drum Clinic, Justin Brown demonstrates a "5 over 4" which is a phrase of 5 played over a count of 4. Can a phrase of 13 be played on top of a count of 6?
God bless
Indeed. We'll discuss the time signature stuff in another thread.
Q is nice. The vocals on the clip.... :-\ :-X
To be honest (allthough its off topic) im still wondering about that time signature in tony roysters clip you posted. he said 13 over 6???
could you or anybody else " ´splain" (in the words of bernard purdie) it to me?
I love that clip man!
Thanx for posting it!
I want to drive a hot new mercedes S-class
Dear flat-fIfTh!
Im writing you now in public to tell you that it was not my aim to hijack your thread!
I thought that the title of your NEW started topic was a chance for me to get an explanation.
I apologize for raising up any kind of tension in this topic.
For me it just does not make sense to say 13 over 6 simply because i do not understand how it should work.
That was the reason for stepping in here.
I do not want to start over that topic again I only want to say and ask wether it would be possible that someone could write me a PM to teach me the rules of putting one number over another in a musical context ;)
It was not primarily about the DVD allthough i would love to own one!
I also want to thank you for the job you do! It helps not only american gospeldrummers but also gospeldrummers like me over here in germany ( i hope i did not offended anybody by saying im a gospeldrummer! ;) ) who are not able to live in a direct surrounding to learn and soak up that kind of feel or attitude toward music.
I really love gospel music!
Not because its hip or anything ( its absolutely not over here lol cuz people think "oh happy day" sung by 35 housewomen above their mid 45s is gospel loooooool ) but because its a good, powerful, encouraging message fitted into great music which also focusses on the music and not only on the lyrics. You might call me a freak but im white and love and feel the music!!!! Im a JesusFreak then....
I grew up with "normal" P&W and it was just hard to stay focussed when you werent allowed to let loose during worship because i also wanted to share my gift! Sometimes i think about the levite and his purpose. Sometimes a taxi driver comes to my mind. A so called taxidriver who brings the people who seek and love good in front of the throne of god. (i hope you still can follow me ;) )
But to be honest i dont want to drive a yellow cab but rather driving a car which fits as good as possible to the ambiente, atmosphere....
So to stay in that picture: I want to drive a hot new mercedes S-class lol.
And gospel music helps me to do that!!!!!!
So im really passionate about that!
So "creativityfountains" like Gospelchops really helped me to really express myself musically and not only conserning gospelmusic.
Im 20 years now and god has blessed me richly. I own my own studio! I play more than enough gigs. I am the youngest druminstructor at a musicschool in my city ( about 650000 habitants) and god is continuing to make a way for me!
I want to encourage all the musicians to not loose focus but to seek first the kingdom!
Im young but i can tell from my short experience: To seek first the kingdom defnitely pays off better than anything else.
So i really want to say thank you flat-fifTh for producing that kind of stuff and also to all the people here posting clips and more importantly knowledge so that i can soak in all that stuff!
Im sorry for going off topic again but i started to open up a bit and couldnt stop! ;)
God Bless yall
To be honest (allthough its off topic) im still wondering about that time signature in tony roysters clip you posted. he said 13 over 6???
could you or anybody else " ´splain" (in the words of bernard purdie) it to me?
I love that clip man!
Thanx for posting it!
Please do not misquote me in an attempt to make a point. I would not refer to a time sig in that manner... reread my post.
God bless
Tony's explanation of the second groove was "13 over 6" which is still 6. *ducks LGM bullets*
God bless
Now back to "13 over 6." If we establish a time sig of 6/8(not to be confused with "6 over 8") we can hold down the count of 6 with our kick. Now let's place a phrase of 13 eighth notes on our snare. Mathematically, our top phrase should span two measures plus one eighth note. Correct?
Now 13 and 6 have a number in common... it's 78. So, if these two eighth note phrases begin on the 1, mathematically speaking, they should meet up again for a big fat sloppy kiss on the 1 at 78, or the start of the 14 bar since our count is 6. It's like making a sandwich with a slice of wheat bread on top and white bread on bottom... two contrasting counts; one on top or "over" the other.
Someone help me if I'm off base and help drive this home so that we can all learn gospel music. God bless
Reread and quoted... I apologize, you did not state 13/6 Time signature.
Adding on… with a headache. Tony much respect!
Polyrhythm involves two numbers:
13 over 6 (13 x 6 = 78 beats) in a 6/8 (Compound Time Signature) an 8th note pulse…
Group (written) the notes into of 6 small beat each… black= 6 eighths note pulse red= produces the 13 over 6
12345678910111213 22345678910111213 3245678910111213 423456789101213 52345678910111213 62345678910111213
Note the counting patterning in red. Neither straight up nor down (numerically), it's jagged oscillation. But still, each member of the group of 13 comes only once, and 13 is the rhythm that goes over the other.
There are two mathematical approaches for solving polyrhythm. Also classified as mixed meters. Polyrhythm involving over nine beats, mentally let go of small divisions feel the bar as three. Dotted notes can be written in these cases to lessen the confusion, if there's any such. LOL!
1. Subdivide each beat in the bar into the number of subdivisions that are going "over" them. and then group the subdivision into units of the second number, the one that is being "overed.
6/8 Time Sign. 13 over 6 (second number)
The bar is divided in to 6 eighths note pulse, by way of the Time Sign.- here we are performing two equal pulses in the same period. The polyrhythm is 13 beats over six 8ths notes. Accomplished by first subdividing each 8th notes of the bar by 13. Then group those subdivisions into units of 6.
2. Multiply the two numbers to the Lowest Common Multiple. Divide the bar into LCM.. and then group the divisions into units of the two numbers.
13 over 6
13 x 6 = 78 6/78= 13
Reread and quoted... I apologize, you did not state 13/6 Time signature.
Adding on… with a headache. Tony much respect!
Polyrhythm involves two numbers:
13 over 6 (13 x 6 = 78 beats) in a 6/8 (Compound Time Signature) an 8th note pulse…
Group (written) the notes into of 6 small beat each… black= 6 eighths note pulse red= produces the 13 over 6
12345678910111213 22345678910111213 3245678910111213 423456789101213 52345678910111213 62345678910111213
Note the counting patterning in red. Neither straight up nor down (numerically), it's jagged oscillation. But still, each member of the group of 13 comes only once, and 13 is the rhythm that goes over the other.
There are two mathematical approaches for solving polyrhythm. Also classified as mixed meters. Polyrhythm involving over nine beats, mentally let go of small divisions feel the bar as three. Dotted notes can be written in these cases to lessen the confusion, if there's any such. LOL!
1. Subdivide each beat in the bar into the number of subdivisions that are going "over" them. and then group the subdivision into units of the second number, the one that is being "overed.
6/8 Time Sign. 13 over 6 (second number)
The bar is divided in to 6 eighths note pulse, by way of the Time Sign.- here we are performing two equal pulses in the same period. The polyrhythm is 13 beats over six 8ths notes. Accomplished by first subdividing each 8th notes of the bar by 13. Then group those subdivisions into units of 6.
2. Multiply the two numbers to the Lowest Common Multiple. Divide the bar into LCM.. and then group the divisions into units of the two numbers.
13 over 6
13 x 6 = 78 6/78= 13
Can somebody do me a favor? According to the Q. Jackson clip, whats the BPM? The battery on my metronome is about dead, but i want to practice the groove and fills(already written) today in about 2 hours, ill get a good battery when i get to the church but can someone please tell me the BPM?
My question still remains...who can play it? Its not possible! I wish there was someone who could make me eat my words! Who has footage of this application? Who knows somebody? Anybody? Find them and I will crown them...I didnt think so.I can think of three people that know personally that could play it... Tony Royster Jr., Jonathan Davis, and Kevin Hayden...
I can think of three people that know personally that could play it... Tony Royster Jr., Jonathan Davis, and Kevin Hayden...
God bless
*sighs* where's my practice pad... ;)
Yes:
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;D
For the person who asked was that D. Tolefree, Yup, Thats him at Acts full Gospel In Oakland,Ca.
I only want to say and ask wether it would be possible that someone could write me a PM to teach me the rules of putting one number over another in a musical context ;)