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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Drummers => Topic started by: HumbleGospelDrummer on January 03, 2008, 02:04:49 PM
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I was looking at some clips and I was wondering what is the concept, if i can put it as that, of playing ghost notes on the snare to add that "flavor" to the music?
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There is an excercise were you play singles, doubles, and triplets
R L R L R L R L
R R L L R R L L
R LL R LL RR L RR L RR LL R
practice this at an even tempo for maybe 5- 10 mintues, stop and stretch and do it again. Shoot for endurance rather than speed and the speed will come. Ghost notes come kind of naturally when you develop stick control. It is like a balance between rebound and the pulse you want to ghost . Guys correct me if I'm wrong. NJ I hope this helps. God Bless
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There is an excercise were you play singles, doubles, and triplets
R L R L R L R L
R R L L R R L L
R LL R LL RR L RR L RR LL R
practice this at an even tempo for maybe 5- 10 mintues, stop and stretch and do it again. Shoot for endurance rather than speed and the speed will come. Ghost notes come kind of naturally when you develop stick control. It is like a balance between rebound and the pulse you want to ghost . Guys correct me if I'm wrong. NJ I hope this helps. God Bless
Yeah thats one way i was thinking about, thanks. And the other is when you play 2 & 4 on the snare but inbetween you play 16th notes(idk) with the left hand(think about Jeremy Haynes).
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I would suggest that you study the music of James Brown(I know that this is LGM). Study the MUSIC. Clyde Stubblefield and John "Jabo" Starks brought this style of playing into prominence years ago. Also Bernard Purdie implemeted this style on many recordings that he did. Ghost notes have been a part of my playing for about 20 years now.
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Ok go out and buy a CD called The Best Of Toto. The song you are looking for is called Roseanna (sp). PRACTISE the song from start to finish trying to sound just like Jeff P. after you master that song ghost notes will be nothing for you!
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Ok go out and buy a CD called The Best Of Toto. The song you are looking for is called Roseanna (sp). PRACTISE the song from start to finish trying to sound just like Jeff P. after you master that song ghost notes will be nothing for you!
...that's freakin' hard dude. Half Time Shuffle. Here's the clip to what you've suggested.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rfF4u-Bb5b8&feature=related
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...that's freakin' hard dude. Half Time Shuffle. Here's the clip to what you've suggested.
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=rfF4u-Bb5b8&feature=related[/url]
Get Er Done!!!! Ive been playing that thing since the early 90's just keep it in your head and see yourself playing it.
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...that's freakin' hard dude. Half Time Shuffle. Here's the clip to what you've suggested.
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=rfF4u-Bb5b8&feature=related[/url]
His death was such a loss to the drumming community.
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Get Er Done!!!! Ive been playing that thing since the early 90's just keep it in your head and see yourself playing it.
His death was such a loss to the drumming community.
...yeah man. The Half Time Shuffle is one of my definate weaknesses (sp?) along with Samba. I suck at both. I need to get on it. I've been watching Zoro's Shuffle lessons on M.D. 2005 a lot though. 8)
...man we were talking about Jeff P. and Carlos Vega briefly on another thread. Too huge losses. Both cats were gone much too early but left a definate Legacy. 8)
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Man that clip Funky posted is a kinda tough :(! My New Years Goal is to Step my Independence up a lil bit! ;)
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Man that clip Funky posted is a kinda tough :(! My New Years Goal is to Step my Independence up a lil bit! ;)
...Oh yeah, the Half Time Shuffle by Jeff P. is a definate headache with all of those Ghost Notes.
...the bold part goes here sir. ;D
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php/topic,51439.0.html
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That's cake - I'm trying to get the funky hi-hat with the ride bell pattern, while keeping that groove.
Example: http://youtube.com/watch?v=c8kSA7h0j3I
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That's cake - I'm trying to get the funky hi-hat with the ride bell pattern, while keeping that groove.
Example: [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=c8kSA7h0j3I[/url]
...yeah well you're going to have to teach it to me mane. 8)
...the D.C. Groove will cause a brain tumor if you're not careful. :o :o
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Gotcha.
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....again, that Dennis Groove is just too ridiculous........even for him. :-\ :o
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And yes, it's "only" triplets between the ride cymbal bell and the hats, but still...
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I was looking at some clips and I was wondering what is the concept, if i can put it as that, of playing ghost notes on the snare to add that "flavor" to the music?
...I learned how to play ghost notes by watching Dennis Chambers "Serious Moves". I used to fall asleep watching that VHS when I was younger. Later on, I started applying them by using the famous Paradiddle Rudiment. I would Ghost the last two diddles while playing 1 and 3 on the kick. That's something I got from Dave Weckl off of one of his old VHS tapes which I can't remember which one it was right now. RLrr LRll It's all about feel with the Ghost Notes. That's why you have to listen to the Music and then be carefull when you add your colour (ghost notes) to the groove. Sometimes, you don't need to add any ghost notes. Watch, Listen and learn from the pro's and from the actual music itself.
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Thanks everybody for the responses, 'ppreciate it. :) ;)
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I'm not a drummer,can you explain the ghosts on the snare a little bit? I really enjoy Steve Gadd,Grady Tate,Bernard Purdie with the jazz cats like Charlie Earland,McGriff,Smith on organ,When these cats play their shuffle groove using the rimshots ,snare etc it sounds so kool,not the boom chucka thing.Want to make or get some good drum loops to practice with.Any ideas? If you look for Charlie on u-tube,he had a version of More today than yesterday ,really need to get a loop with THAT feel.thanks,be blessed!!!!!
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I'm not a drummer,can you explain the ghosts on the snare a little bit?
...here ya go doc'.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5TAUHxiBwxQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3xD4C8Jw9g&NR=1
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...here ya go doc'.
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5TAUHxiBwxQ&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3xD4C8Jw9g&NR=1[/url]
Study Gadd, Weckl and Vinnie!!
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Study Gadd, Weckl and Vinnie!!
...dude, those three are definetly the Ghost Notes Three Kings.
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thanks funky! be blessed
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You guys are TERRIBLE!! How can you have a discussion about ghost notes and NOT talk about David Garibaldi!!!
Blastphemy!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d60DJ3URgU
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I would suggest that you study the music of James Brown(I know that this is LGM). Study the MUSIC. Clyde Stubblefield and John "Jabo" Starks brought this style of playing into prominence years ago. Also Bernard Purdie implemeted this style on many recordings that he did. Ghost notes have been a part of my playing for about 20 years now.
Yes Sir. Bernard puddie is a great example of how to use ghost notes. I Love Ghost notes and use them also without knowing I use them. It's apart of my feel. Study a rudiment named The Ruff and you'll get it.
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You guys are TERRIBLE!! How can you have a discussion about ghost notes and NOT talk about David Garibaldi!!!
Blastphemy!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d60DJ3URgU[/url]
Great example of how the use ghost notes.
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That's cake - I'm trying to get the funky hi-hat with the ride bell pattern, while keeping that groove.
ya know i got that pattern down pat (i think i do) i wood call that my personnal move. but i wouldnt really no how to show anyone else... I ges its one of those gifty talents
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Nah, everything can be taught. You just have to learn how to explain what you're doing.
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Nah, everything can be taught. You just have to learn how to explain what you're doing.
well ya i no that... but im not as good yall drummers here....I know SOME advance licks but dont no how or what the correct timing or the basic in playin...
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You guys are TERRIBLE!! How can you have a discussion about ghost notes and NOT talk about David Garibaldi!!!
Blastphemy!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d60DJ3URgU[/url]
...agreed. D.G. is Ghost Note King as well.
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Umm.... I know that this guy's a legend and filth (replacement word for "stuff")..... but isn't the setup of David Garibaldi's kit..something that a lot of ya'll talk about as being bad for "drumming ergonomics?"
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Umm.... I know that this guy's a legend and filth (replacement word for "stuff")..... but isn't the setup of David Garibaldi's kit..something that a lot of ya'll talk about as being bad for "drumming ergonomics?"
Quite the contrary if you ask me. I feel that his set up is conducive to the way he plays. It fits him. Thats really all that matters.
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well ya i no that... but im not as good yall drummers here....I know SOME advance licks but dont no how or what the correct timing or the basic in playin...
Yeah you know how to program them in your keyboard and press start!
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Umm.... I know that this guy's a legend and filth (replacement word for "stuff")..... but isn't the setup of David Garibaldi's kit..something that a lot of ya'll talk about as being bad for "drumming ergonomics?"
...says who?? I've seen his set up and he always looks comfortable. ?/?
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Yeah you know how to program them in your keyboard and press start!
ROFL. ;D ;D ;D
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He always looks comfortable and it's ergo. ?/?
(http://drummerworld.com/pics/drumpics7/davidgaribaldiset.jpg)
(http://drummerworld.com/pics/drumpics14/davidgarbaldidunn64.jpg)
(http://drummerworld.com/pics/drumpics9/davidgaribaldiffm.jpg)
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Umm.... I know that this guy's a legend and filth (replacement word for "stuff")..... but isn't the setup of David Garibaldi's kit..something that a lot of ya'll talk about as being bad for "drumming ergonomics?"
OK. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and take a guess as to what ojay is referring to.
The angle of his snare. That is not something that most of us suggest when one asks as to how to setup. Also the angle of his toms appear to be steeper than most would suggest. I think thats what he was trying to get at.
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Maybe it was the videocamera's angle that made it look non ergonomic to him.
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OK. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and take a guess as to what ojay is referring to.
The angle of his snare. That is not something that most of us suggest when one asks as to how to setup. Also the angle of his toms appear to be steeper than most would suggest. I think thats what he was trying to get at.
...Look at pic' #2. Notice how his left hand is down and flat along with the stick? Remember that David G. is big on ghost notes so he sets up his snare to cater (sp?) to that. IMHO. There is nothing wrong with his tom angles either. (Pic' #1) Those are actually the same angles that Vinnie C. uses. The thing with David G. and Vinnie is that they don't set up their drums like X Magazine ad or how the hottest new drummer does. They set up to play and for what is comfortable for them with ergo in mind.
FYI: Vinnie had to readjust his seating height too in later years. ;)
Maybe it was the videocamera's angle that made it look non ergonomic to him.
...that too. :-\
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...Look at pic' #2. Notice how his left hand is down and flat along with the stick? Remember that David G. is big on ghost notes so he sets up his snare to cater (sp?) to that. IMHO. There is nothing wrong with his tom angles either. (Pic' #1) Those are actually the same angles that Vinnie C. uses. The thing with David G. and Vinnie is that they don't set up their drums like X Magazine ad or how the hottest new drummer does. They set up to play and for what is comfortable for them with ergo in mind.
FYI: Vinnie had to readjust his seating height too in later years. ;)
...that too. :-\
For the Record, I was trying to see his point of view, not stating mine. lol. I think it looks very comfy and thats what matters most. ;D
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For the Record, I was trying to see his point of view, not stating mine. lol. I think it looks very comfy and thats what matters most. ;D
For the Record: I know. ;)
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For the Record: I know. ;)
;D ;D 8)
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"OK. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and take a guess as to what ojay is referring to.
The angle of his snare. That is not something that most of us suggest when one asks as to how to setup. Also the angle of his toms appear to be steeper than most would suggest. I think thats what he was trying to get at. "- E.R.
Thats exactly what i was trying to get at E.R.....but after revieving those pics J Funky put up..and his explanation of everything involving David G's setup I stand corrected.
Thanks fellas!
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"OK. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and take a guess as to what ojay is referring to.
The angle of his snare. That is not something that most of us suggest when one asks as to how to setup. Also the angle of his toms appear to be steeper than most would suggest. I think thats what he was trying to get at. "- E.R.
Thats exactly what i was trying to get at E.R.....but after revieving those pics J Funky put up..and his explanation of everything involving David G's setup I stand corrected.
Thanks fellas!
...alright, I went back and reviewed the thread and saw the Youtube clip and I agree with you.....his toms are steep on the clip. :-[
...the pics' I've posted are of his new and improved set up which is ergo. His older set up really wasn't. IMHO. So you're right on your behalf sir. IMO My bad. :-[ ;)
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...alright, I went back and reviewed the thread and saw the Youtube clip and I agree with you.....his toms are steep on the clip. :-[
...the pics' I've posted are of his new and improved set up which is ergo. His older set up really wasn't. IMHO. So you're right on your behalf sir. IMO My bad. :-[ ;)
Well, Vinnie's kit back in the day might not have been the most erogonomic place in the world either. He sat practically on the floor.
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Well, Vinnie's kit back in the day might not have been the most erogonomic place in the world either. He sat practically on the floor.
...yup. He does mention it in his last MD article. His toms were set up ugly too. Gotta love the 70's and 80's drummers. LOL
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ghost notes rock!