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Gospel Instruments => Bass Guitar => Topic started by: Quebass86 on January 06, 2008, 11:22:17 PM
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Happy New Years and Thank God for allowing us to see the 1st Sunday in 2008. Sorry so late but a brother has been on a high all week since practice on wednesday night and then the Lord allowed us to play to perfection today. We did Marvin Sapps "Never Could Have Made it" and it tore the church down! At the end it was just me and the lead singer...we didn't practice that part and the next thing I knew people were shouting and falling out....It was nothing but the Holy Spirit. We also did "God's In Control" by Wilmington Chester Mass Choir...another jam.....
I hope some of you had a great weekend shed for God. we are having double rehearsals until the 1st sunday in March when the mass choir will be wearing their new robes.
Lord, thank you for the LGM family, thank you for the blessing which You have given each and everyone of us. I pray that in 2008 we will clearly see and understand what exactly You want us to do as musicians spreading Your Word through song.
May God Bless you all and have a great week!
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Three weeks ago, I had never heard of the song "Never would have made it." I must thank Marvin Sapp or whoever wrote it because it is a powerful song.
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Most definately...I was talking to some people about gospel music and various songs...we agreed that alot of songs today while they are nice, have a great beat, make you bob your head, etc....don't really hit you from a testimony perspective or when your having problems late in the midnight hour as grandma used to say....When you don't know how you are going to make ends meet, or dealing with sickness and death Kirk Franklins "Stomp" isn't going to do you any good. I love the new stuff don't get me wrong, but those songs that praise God and gets you connected with God are the ones that are so moving. The art of playing hymns in alot of churches is gone. As mentioned in a previous thread there are so many talented musicians that struggle playing hymn. My dad who is a pastor in New Jersey has been having audtions for a new MOM and alot of them are coming from New York and Pennsylvania and he said alot of them can't play mediation music or the old "100's"..."Jesus Keep Me Near the Cross", "I'll Fly Away", "At the Cross", ...Marvin Sapps song hits right to the core of honoring and praising God for all that He has done and is doing in our lives...
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Most definately...I was talking to some people about gospel music and various songs...we agreed that alot of songs today while they are nice, have a great beat, make you bob your head, etc....don't really hit you from a testimony perspective or when your having problems late in the midnight hour as grandma used to say....When you don't know how you are going to make ends meet, or dealing with sickness and death Kirk Franklins "Stomp" isn't going to do you any good. I love the new stuff don't get me wrong, but those songs that praise God and gets you connected with God are the ones that are so moving. The art of playing hymns in alot of churches is gone. As mentioned in a previous thread there are so many talented musicians that struggle playing hymn. My dad who is a pastor in New Jersey has been having audtions for a new MOM and alot of them are coming from New York and Pennsylvania and he said alot of them can't play mediation music or the old "100's"..."Jesus Keep Me Near the Cross", "I'll Fly Away", "At the Cross", ...Marvin Sapps song hits right to the core of honoring and praising God for all that He has done and is doing in our lives...
Well said. I think that the reason current musicians don't know the traditional hymns and songs is because they didn't grow up hearing those songs the way that we did. They grew up on a steady diet of Kirk, Donnie, Hezekiah, Tye, etc., and so that's all they know. Gospel is as segmented as secular (adult contemporary vs. hip hop vs. rap, etc.).
We did "Order My Steps" in our service yesterday and that song speaks to me as much now as it did when I first heard it.
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dhag, thats the joint. when i first started playing that was one song i just wanted to get on. but the choir never rehearsed it and with learning all the other stuff i never got around to it. and one sunday the choir sang it (but i was in the office doing the finances and when theres no rehearsal for a long time im hesitant to leave and play) but they sang that and it was powerful, better than they had done with that song in a while. i was kinda upset that i didnt get to put it down. (matter of fact, thats goin on my mp3 player tonight in preparation for next time)
que, i totally feel you. not to many people can handle true worship music. i think because those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth (which is absent from some musicians). i like the praise stuff and all but i really get down on those worship songs (not the ones they sing like we at a funeral) but the ones that really speak. because im not just playing the song. for me, im trying to worship him with my bass. you know like if He was to come back for me right then and i'd get ready to put it down, He's say "no, bring that with you" LOL.
another song that really does that is Kurt Carr's "God Blocked It". powerful, especially when they go into the reprise. at that point you'll be wantin to play so bad u'll grab anything with strings and ur hands are just going with tears comin down ur face
as for this sunday, my bass was soundin horrible. i wasnt sure, but after i was checkin everything on my amp, i figured the only thing left that it might be was the battery (it actually was, not sure why because it was soundin just fine saturday night) and i had went to the store and got one, but since i had to usher, i didnt get a chance to change the battery before service started. so i played like that but since the spirit was moving when the choir sang, i couldnt stop to swap the battery then either. not that you should go for that, but the Lord can move even with the most horrible bass tone.
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dhag, thats the joint. when i first started playing that was one song i just wanted to get on. but the choir never rehearsed it and with learning all the other stuff i never got around to it. and one sunday the choir sang it (but i was in the office doing the finances and when theres no rehearsal for a long time im hesitant to leave and play) but they sang that and it was powerful, better than they had done with that song in a while. i was kinda upset that i didnt get to put it down. (matter of fact, thats goin on my mp3 player tonight in preparation for next time)
que, i totally feel you. not to many people can handle true worship music. i think because those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth (which is absent from some musicians). i like the praise stuff and all but i really get down on those worship songs (not the ones they sing like we at a funeral) but the ones that really speak. because im not just playing the song. for me, im trying to worship him with my bass. you know like if He was to come back for me right then and i'd get ready to put it down, He's say "no, bring that with you" LOL.
another song that really does that is Kurt Carr's "God Blocked It". powerful, especially when they go into the reprise. at that point you'll be wantin to play so bad u'll grab anything with strings and ur hands are just going with tears comin down ur face
as for this sunday, my bass was soundin horrible. i wasnt sure, but after i was checkin everything on my amp, i figured the only thing left that it might be was the battery (it actually was, not sure why because it was soundin just fine saturday night) and i had went to the store and got one, but since i had to usher, i didnt get a chance to change the battery before service started. so i played like that but since the spirit was moving when the choir sang, i couldnt stop to swap the battery then either. not that you should go for that, but the Lord can move even with the most horrible bass tone.
I feel you. Those old hymns are actually really good to work on your basslines in my opinion because there is so much room in the progressions that you can really let the feeling go and use alot of phrasing and passing notes and appaggiations. I love moving my fingers and doing alot of appaggiations, I love working that "neck". At our church we do a little something for everyone. We do so hymns, some modern day stuff and then some stuff to reach the youth. This sunday coming up is youth sunday and we are breaking out the old "brighter day"...we are getting the youth that play instruments in school to fill in on the brass and horns. They have been getting a kick out of practicing and being a part of the choir for this upcoming sunday.
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Another song I LOVE is "One MORE TIME" by James Moore...I tried to get my last choir to sing it and the director said that was too old school; he wouldn't even do "I told the storm!"
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Another song I LOVE is "One MORE TIME" by James Moore...I tried to get my last choir to sing it and the director said that was too old school; he wouldn't even do "I told the storm!"
God's word is never too old!
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its just that some people dont understand worshiping God. if its not some upbeat praise music, they dont feel it. simply because of the fact that once its not the music thats solely moving you, its whats in you that has to move you. and if u got nothin in u, guess what?... you aint movin.
i remember the mens p&w team did Fred Hammonds "Living Word" during our annual mens day service, and it felt like the people was just staring blankly at them. But like 2 months ago another church came in and did that same song (different audience) and they were moved by it.
a lot of times its the people that dont understand. the thing is when 1 person makes the call about whats done and whats not done, that person cant be into self. i'll be honest that i dont feel every song that we sing, but if i was able to make that call, it cant ever be "we not singing it because i dont feel it" and some people unfortunately do that very thing.
remember though that there has to be a balance. powerful words put to disorienting music can be just as ineffective as catch music with empty lyrics.
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I agree, there has to be a balance. All I know is that when I am by myself talking to God about my problems and issues, it is not an up beat song in my head. I am singing "Precisious Lord, Take My Hand" or "There will be peace by and by"....that may be going back for some people but as I get older I can see why my parents and grandparents would sing those songs around the house when I was little. They were going through some things that we just couldn't understand or even knew about. I try to put the same amount of energy and feel into a slow meditating song as I do a fast upbeat song. There is a place for all of God's music and we are blessed as bass players to have an opporunity to share that with others.
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i dont even do that que. when im really down none of those songs do it for me, because its not me. i cant take the time tryin to fumble through the library to see which song says what im feelin, if any do. i just break out my keyboard, play a slow simple chord progression and talk over it. tell God how i feel. now if anybody can do that, then they'll definitely understand the place that those type of songs have
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We did Marvin Sapps "Never Could Have Made it" and it tore the church down!
I've been meaning to ask you about that song. I messed around with it a little this morning. To me, it walks down from 8 to 2, then goes back up 2-3-5-6-8. Can you share a little of what you played?
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A song that I often sing to myself is "Still Here" by the Williams Brothers.
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I've been meaning to ask you about that song. I messed around with it a little this morning. To me, it walks down from 8 to 2, then goes back up 2-3-5-6-8. Can you share a little of what you played?
Ok I will break it down when I get home, getting ready to leave the office now...but basically it is the cycle of 4ths progression. The song is in C, we dropped it down to Bb because of the singer but it start out on the 1-7-3-6, etc....cycle of 4ths with a few minor changes..I will do the whole thing tonight...
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Ok I will break it down when I get home, getting ready to leave the office now...but basically it is the cycle of 4ths progression. The song is in C, we dropped it down to Bb because of the singer but it start out on the 1-7-3-6, etc....cycle of 4ths with a few minor changes..I will do the whole thing tonight...
Thanks. I'm glad you said it was in C because that's what I heard too. What I played was essentially this:
1 7 (3) 6 (6-flat) 5 (5-flat) 4
Never would have made it, never could have made it without you
3 2 3 5 6 7 (and repeat)
I would have lost it all, but now I see that you were there for me...
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Thanks. I'm glad you said it was in C because that's what I heard too. What I played was essentially this:
1 7 (3) 6 (6-flat) 5 (5-flat) 4
Never would have made it, never could have made it without you
3 2 3 5 6 7 (and repeat)
I would have lost it all, but now I see that you were there for me...
You are on it man, like I said, basically cycle of 4ths for the main part and it just repeats and you can add your own feel to it depending on how the lead of the song is flowing....
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You are on it man, like I said, basically cycle of 4ths for the main part and it just repeats and you can add your own feel to it depending on how the lead of the song is flowing....
So I was somewhere close? Wow. I knew it sounded right to me but you never know. Will you explain to me how this is a cycle of fourths?
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Thanks. I'm glad you said it was in C because that's what I heard too. What I played was essentially this:
1 7 (3) 6 (6-flat) 5 (5-flat) 4
Never would have made it, never could have made it without you
3 2 3 5 6 7 (and repeat)
I would have lost it all, but now I see that you were there for me...
If I'm not mistaken the numbers represent the fret...if that is correct...what is the difference between a 6 and a 6-flat...could someone please explain
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So I was somewhere close? Wow. I knew it sounded right to me but you never know. Will you explain to me how this is a cycle of fourths?
The initial progression is: C
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So I was somewhere close? Wow. I knew it sounded right to me but you never know. Will you explain to me how this is a cycle of fourths?
Sorry, hit the wrong key....the progression starts out like this:
C,B,E,A,D,G,C, F,E, A, (D,EF,G,C)....From B to F and again from E to D each progression is the 4th of the previous chord or phrase....E is the 4th of B, A is the 4th E, Dis the 4th of A, G is the 4th of D, etc....The letters in ( ) is the walk-up to start that section over again and so forth...but as you can see the main components of the song are in 4ths which allows you to really do some nice voicing or phrasing in the higher register of the neck and even some chording. I really had fun with this song and can't wait to play it again because I have already identified some other nice things to bring out in the song....
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If I'm not mistaken the numbers represent the fret...if that is correct...what is the difference between a 6 and a 6-flat...could someone please explain
The numbers represent the notes in the scale for that particular key. For example in the key of C 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1 would be C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C. Here's how it looks when I write the notes instead of the numbers:
C B (E) A (A-flat) G (G-flat) F
Never would have made it, never could have made it without you
E D E G A B (and repeat)
I would have lost it all, but now I see that you were there for me...
The numbering system allows to play the song in any key because the relative position of notes in the major scale is the same anywhere on the fretboard. The only difference is where you start. Hope this helps.
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Sorry, hit the wrong key....the progression starts out like this:
C,B,E,A,D,G,C, F,E, A, (D,EF,G,C)....From B to F and again from E to D each progression is the 4th of the previous chord or phrase....E is the 4th of B, A is the 4th E, Dis the 4th of A, G is the 4th of D, etc....The letters in ( ) is the walk-up to start that section over again and so forth...but as you can see the main components of the song are in 4ths which allows you to really do some nice voicing or phrasing in the higher register of the neck and even some chording. I really had fun with this song and can't wait to play it again because I have already identified some other nice things to bring out in the song....
If you could find a way to record that and send it to me, or post it, I would be so grateful....thanks for your kind words concerning what I posted.
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The numbers represent the notes in the scale for that particular key. For example in the key of C 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1 would be C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C. Here's how it looks when I write the notes instead of the numbers:
C B (E) A (A-flat) G (G-flat) F
Never would have made it, never could have made it without you
E D E G A B (and repeat)
I would have lost it all, but now I see that you were there for me...
The numbering system allows to play the song in any key because the relative position of notes in the major scale is the same anywhere on the fretboard. The only difference is where you start. Hope this helps.
I am not sure about your Ab and Gb..I am doing it by memory but can see it better on the neck...the walk up starts on D and goes up to G and then over to C to repeat.....I will try and record it when I get home after choir practice tonight...your on track my brother...
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I am not sure about your Ab and Gb..I am doing it by memory but can see it better on the neck...the walk up starts on D and goes up to G and then over to C to repeat.....I will try and record it when I get home after choir practice tonight...your on track my brother...
I am going to try it tonight, substituting D for A-flat and C for G-flat.