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Gospel Instruments => Gospel Keyboard / Piano => Topic started by: TheBigO30 on January 14, 2008, 01:12:58 PM
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I was talking to a musician that been playing about 10 years. I told that l play the keys and i been play about 4 year now. I told him that I have 6 of the 12 keys down. he said why learn all the keys just use the transpose button and you can play in any key you want, he been do it for years. No one can tell the differents. Is using the transpose on the keyboard is cheating if you claiming the be the best. he reply if yamaha, korgs, and rolands stop making keyboards with the feature than he might learn to play in all the keys, until than it easier and quicker to transpose a key by using the transpose button.
Man that cheating :-[ :-[.
is he being a real musicians
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"Musicians that transpose are like athletes that use steroids" -4hisglory
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"Musicians that transpose are like athletes that use steroids" -4hisglory
yup.
I dont use it because my first keyboard did not have one. And even though both of my keyboards have transpose buttons, I dont use it because,
-It moves the notes to different places on the keyboard, when I hear somebody start a song in say Ab I automaticaly without thinking, start playing in that key . If the notes were in a different place everytime I would get confused.
-Real Pianos and organs do not have transpose. You cant call yourself A "master" piano player until you can play in every key. Think about it. One minute youre playing all these fancy chords, but when the singer or band changes keys, your gonna be stuck,either playing simpler chords or nothing at all.
It is very easy to learn how to play in every key. When I was learning I would play whatever I heard on the radio, and there were songs in every key.
We have gone thru this subject a million times!! Do a search in the organ room and you will see tons of arguments of people who use it and people who dont use it
I did the search for you
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/forums/index.php?action=search2
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I was talking to a musician that been playing about 10 years. I told that l play the keys and i been play about 4 year now. I told him that I have 6 of the 12 keys down. he said why learn all the keys just use the transpose button and you can play in any key you want, he been do it for years. No one can tell the differents. Is using the transpose on the keyboard is cheating if you claiming the be the best. he reply if yamaha, korgs, and rolands stop making keyboards with the feature than he might learn to play in all the keys, until than it easier and quicker to transpose a key by using the transpose button.
Man that cheating :-[ :-[.
is he being a real musicians
It's like saying, "I'm an excellent truck driver, as long as the rig I'm driving has an "automatic transmission". ?/? ?/?
A real truck driver knows how to drive a "manual transmission" and change gears.
In much the same way, an "excellent" keyboardist or organist must know how to change keys.
(Notice the key word here is, "excellent".)
It's vital to making smooth transitions, modulations, and key changes.
But hey, if the only driving a person is expected to do is in "automatic", then fine.
All I'm saying is, you just never know when you may be called upon to drive a "standard" ... then whacha gonna do? :-[ :-[
(P.S. Hope my analogy isn't too confusing... ;D ;D)
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It's like saying, "I'm an excellent truck driver, as long as the rig I'm driving has an "automatic transmission". ?/? ?/?
A real truck driver knows how to drive a "manual transmission" and change gears.
In much the same way, an "excellent" keyboardist or organist must know how to change keys.
(Notice the key word here is, "excellent".)
It's vital to making smooth transitions, modulations, and key changes.
But hey, if the only driving a person is expected to do is in "automatic", then fine.
All I'm saying is, you just never know when you may be called upon to drive a "standard" ... then whacha gonna do? :-[ :-[
(P.S. Hope my analogy isn't too confusing... ;D ;D)
that was a perfect anology.
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It's like saying, "I'm an excellent truck driver, as long as the rig I'm driving has an "automatic transmission". ?/? ?/?
A real truck driver knows how to drive a "manual transmission" and change gears.
In much the same way, an "excellent" keyboardist or organist must know how to change keys.
(Notice the key word here is, "excellent".)
It's vital to making smooth transitions, modulations, and key changes.
But hey, if the only driving a person is expected to do is in "automatic", then fine.
All I'm saying is, you just never know when you may be called upon to drive a "standard" ... then whacha gonna do? :-[ :-[
(P.S. Hope my analogy isn't too confusing... ;D ;D)
I gotta agree that is a good analogy. I'm still learning my weak keys (A, E, B natural). I remember during watch night service, we went to another church and another musician was there trying to figure out where the transpose key was. Mind you, I hadn't used transpose in years so I did find it tempting to use when some folks came up with their solos in who knows what key.
However, knowing your way around the keys makes you so much more versatile. Just thinking about intermixing different keys together .. so much fun!!
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Is using the transpose on the keyboard is cheating if you claiming the be the best. he reply if yamaha, korgs, and rolands stop making keyboards with the feature than he might learn to play in all the keys, until than it easier and quicker to transpose a key by using the transpose button.
Man that cheating :-[ :-[.
is he being a real musicians
You can check my signature for your answer man. ;)
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You can check my signature for your answer man. ;)
"CO-SIGN!!! :) :)
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No one can tell the difference.
That is not true.
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Ahhhh Not the T word again.
Tell him to sit at a Baby ACOUSTIC Grand or a Vintage B3 and hit the transpose button.
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Ahhhh Not the T word again.
Tell him to sit at a Baby ACOUSTIC Grand or a Vintage B3 and hit the transpose button.
Amen! I have the privilege of playing on one of those beautiful Baby Acoustic Grand pianos,
and let me give any "TRANSPOSERS" A HINT ...
"You'd be looking ALL DAY LONG trying to find a transpose button on that beautiful instrument. ;D ;D ;D
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hi,this is a fellow musician and i partly believe that transposing is cheating,but on the other hand it would be better if you learned the notes from a to z.On the other hand if you you are like me and play for a quartet group, nine times out ten you would probably have to take up that offer on transposing,just to save some future embarrassment.
that's just my opinion,don't hold me to it.
yours truly,
ladyrhodes
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Hi LadyRhodes, welcome to LGM :)
I play @ home for 99,9% of the time.
Until recently, I dnt even dare look@ the transpose button..& my progress in playing in all the keys shows a very positively skewed improvement curve.
There is nop turning back 4 me@ this point..It has literally taken me less than 1 week to familiarize myself with all the keys in the few songs that I've faithfully learned in all the keys.
The key:
If U already know 1 key well, Use the number system: look @ each note as a number & apply it to anykey U want.. (In some keys U'll be amazed @ how your fingers will just move to the right notes without U having to think about it 8))
So come on U guys who've been teaching others to "just use the transpose!"..
If U'r not up to learning all the keys, that's fine, only U lose out on being an abled organ or piano player. But don't throw other enthusiasts like me into the pit of "Please don't sing in that key when our lil sis starts a song & we have to accompany them on the piano.
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but what make it sad he think hes the best. by using the transpose button in all the songs he play. if you tell him that you can't be real if you use that button. his reply he can play anything on the keyboard that a pro's can plays.
he use a Motif Xs8 thats why he think we the best. ?/? ?/? ?/?
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Transposing sounds crazy. You have to use different voicings in different keys. I remember one time I had run into a church at the last minute because the minister of music needed me to play. So I only had time to literally walk in the door and go straight to the keyboard and start playing. It was transposed...but at that time, I had ZERO experience on playing the keyboard. The first 13 or so years of my playing was strictly piano. So I was like "why does it sound so weird? Why does it sound so low?"
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It's like saying, "I'm an excellent truck driver, as long as the rig I'm driving has an "automatic transmission". ?/? ?/?
A real truck driver knows how to drive a "manual transmission" and change gears.
I likesss this. :)
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he use a Motif Xs8 thats why he think we the best. ?/? ?/? ?/?
The piano sound on that board is hot. :D
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Transposing sounds crazy. You have to use different voicings in different keys. I remember one time I had run into a church at the last minute because the minister of music needed me to play. So I only had time to literally walk in the door and go straight to the keyboard and start playing. It was transposed...but at that time, I had ZERO experience on playing the keyboard. The first 13 or so years of my playing was strictly piano. So I was like "why does it sound so weird? Why does it sound so low?"
Hey! This actually happened to me recently!
I attended a funeral service and was asked by the band to join them because they had a keyboard but no player.
Knowing the songs they were doing, I jumped right in. Lo and Behold, something didn't sound right ... Why?
Because the keyboard was "transposed"! After resetting the tuning, I joined them once again, only this time, we were all in one accord ... :)
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The piano sound on that board is hot. :D
Yeah.....Mega Phat. :)
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I'm still learning my weak keys (A, E, B natural).
Those are my strong keys. My weak ones are Ab, Eb, and Bb is getting better. 8)
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Tell him to play a grand piano (not digital) and see what happens...
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Those are my strong keys. My weak ones are Ab, Eb, and Bb is getting better. 8)
Is that the host from Cheaters. lol Joking with you man.
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TO ME TRANSPOSING IS LIKE CHEATING ON A TEST IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER YOU COPY OFF OF SOMEONE BESIDE YOU... A GOOD MUSICAN KNOWS HIS/HER INSTRUMENT IN AND OUT A GOOD KEYBOARD PLAYER CAN PLAY OUT OF ANY KEY ON DA PIANO,ORGAN, OR KEYBOARD THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM/HER GOOD.... TRANSPOSING IS A EASY WAY OUT OF NOT LEARN YOUR MATERIAL.... I JUST LEARNED HOW TO PLAY OUT OF MY WEAKEST KEYS.... SO AS OF NOW IM ON MY WAY TO REACH A NEW LEVEL IN MY PLAYING.... NEVER TAKE A EASY WAY OUT OF LEARN YOUR MATERIAL IF YOU DO YOU WILL NEVER BECOME AS GOOD AS YOU WANT 2.... REMEMBER LEARN EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR INSTRUMENT DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF....
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All I can say is tell himt o get behind a real piano and let the choir or singer(s) change keys while he's playing........ :o :o :o :o
We have a young guy that plays for our youth at church and he has the same handicap - T R A N S P O S E K E Y on his keyboard, that is ,so he never goes near that piano and I have seen a couple of times when his transpose key didn't work......HMMMM......not pleasant to the ears when that happens :'(
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2day I played 4 the whole service @ church because all the players were absent.
Ok, I was shaking 4 the 1st 10minutes & was failing to keep up because the singers go up a key for every verse (I'm not lying..but they don't want to believe me ::))
Anyway, when I sat at those keys, I thot of this thread ;D
I tried the transpose button once or twice, but it was pointless because I was playing on low vol & they modulate a key up every verse (unintentionally :P).
So I knew then the importance of mastering all the keys :o
So I dropped the transpose Idea & played some very very basic melody notes & the bassline for the songs in G, E, Eb,Bb & A.
The others , especially near the end, were a blessing because they were in Db & F#,so i held my own there.
But some "traditionalists" were not very pleased that I played piano 98% of the service....i just thought they can bugger off bcos I took it upon myself to learn & then go & embarass myself in front of 250 people ::) :P
What did I do after church?: I got home, practiced some of the songs I couldn't play correctly in all the keys.
2 dudes came to me afterwards wanting to learn to play. I told them they must have passion because I won't cheat on them teaching 1 key.
I'm sick of a people who only play Ab etc!! some notes on the board are wearing out quicker than others now U know!! >:(
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I feel you man!!!!!!!! Good job for your first tyme!!!!!!!!!! I understand you might was shaking a lil bit but who doesn't that's a part of the learning process keep it up and stay committed Muc Respect and love
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I feel you man!!!!!!!! Good job for your first tyme!!!!!!!!!! I understand you might was shaking a lil bit but who doesn't that's a part of the learning process keep it up and stay committed Muc Respect and love
Thank you MemphisKeys.
U guys are all part of my motivation :)
When I grow up, I want to play like U guys :)
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you will soon I stil have more learning 2 do....
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...I stil have more learning 2 do....
I like your attitude man.
U are going very far with you playing..
Unlike some people who think they know it all when they can't play you a simple rock song if U asked them :P :-[
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thanks man, Im trying to learn everything I need to know as far as playing like training my ear playing phat chords you kno stuf like dat and all other things in between Ima get to that level soon.... Just take day by day and practice
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there are lots of resources to help people out, this being 1 of the many of them:
http://www.pianolessonsunlimited.com/navigation/navigation_frameset2.html
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here is something else U might like:
http://www.pianolessonsunlimited.com/lessons/phat_chord_voicings/1/download_2.html
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Those are my strong keys. My weak ones are Ab, Eb, and Bb is getting better. 8)
We need to be trading chords so we both can learn then!!
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We need to be trading chords so we both can learn then!!
hehehehe :D
& what better place to trade them than here 8) ;D
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I agree with everyone who has said that using the transpose is cheating...I truly believe this....I mean how can you learn...when you're using the transpose all the time...I'm so glad God has blessed me with the ability where I don't have to use the transpose....so I say this if you're keyboardist coming up...don't use the transpose because it will hinder you're growth and you're trust in God....cause through God we can do all things!
SO DON'T CHEAT!!!!!!!!!.....BE COOL AND TRUST GOD!!!!!!!!
Lance
~Psalmist~
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Musicians-This practise of using the transpose key have got to stop.
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I thought guys here were really insensitive & mean when they were condemning the use of transpose.
But the guys are really trying to help ressurect those who think there is no life after transpose ::)
I took this message as a constructive block & it just took me playing the melody line of the song I wanted to play in all the keys & adding chords to it thereafter.
The chords , I ripped off from the chorded scales chart.
So if I can do it, any 1 who thinks they are masters in whatever few keys they play in, can get familiar with all the major scales in 2 days (that's how long it took me!!) & can master them all in less than 3 months.
So come on guys, get your act together & be a true music ambassador ;)
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Tell me if this guy is modulating nicely or transposing:
http://zone.hearandplay.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=5714
ok, I'm not slamming fellow players, i respect any1 who can hit a single chord.
At the same time I encourage them to learn to play chords in all keys. :)
I've some very cool basslines from the dude playing there.
He is also keen to learn all the keys 8)
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Hello LGM family,
On last Sunday afternoon, there was an afternoon program held at a church where I play, and I was playing the organ as the guess musician and his choir walked in. I asked him if he would like to play the organ which DOES NOT transpose, and his reply was, " I dont play the organ because I need to play an instrument that ......................."TRANSPOSES". I was saying to myself oh ok. By the way, he was a good musician, but I did notice him using the transpose button alot. Please take the time to learn ALL of your keys because whenever you play a babygrand or an upright piano, which are neither electric. what are you gonna do then? Food for thought.
Have a blessed day!
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Hello LGM family,
On last Sunday afternoon, there was an afternoon program held at a church where I play, and I was playing the organ as the guess musician and his choir walked in. I asked him if he would like to play the organ which DOES NOT transpose, and his reply was, " I dont play the organ because I need to play an instrument that ......................."TRANSPOSES". I was saying to myself oh ok. By the way, he was a good musician, but I did notice him using the transpose button alot. Please take the time to learn ALL of your keys because whenever you play a babygrand or an upright piano, which are neither electric. what are you gonna do then? Food for thought.
Have a blessed day!
That's just it no one takes the time to truly practice in all their keys anymore...they just think well all I have to do is hit the transpose key and I'll be just fine....I mean come on....in order to get to the next level of playing you've got to practice hard and not take that easy road....that easy road will make you weak while that hard and difficult journey will make you stronger...just think about that for a minute and it's like you said mrspanish what are they going to do when they have to play on a baby grand or an upright piano...they have no transpose key at all....see that's where that hard practice of playing every song in every key comes in....learn to use your ear too instead of just hitting that transpose key and more importantly always and I mean ALWAYS seek God for help and trust that He will come through...so don't be so egger to hit that transpose key cause you don't learn from hitting the transpose key...that's doing all the work for you...but be more egger to practice ;). Be Blessed and much love.
Lance ~Psalmist~
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Thanks for sharing that story & giving the food for thought mrspanish.
I don't play for my church or any church yet, but I am trying my best not to be found wanting when the time comes & I'm called into duty.
It is sad to see players being clueless as soon as they see some1 playing in a key they are unfamiliar with.
It is so nice 2 know all the keys, & practicing in them, because you get to even know which songs sound best in which keys.
I only play at home, & I can already hear that some keys just sound better than others for specific stuff.
I doubt U ever care to even take note which care that would be if you are a "truly transpose person".
All bro's & sisters still transposing, I urge you to make an effort to not rely soley on it-- use it only as a last resort tool- it's understandable. :)
I recommend using the number system when learning all the keys..it makes learning ridiculously easy & U'll be hitting your head on the wall for ever thinking that U could never break the glass ceiling ;)