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Title: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: Jbroad572 on January 24, 2008, 02:07:23 PM
I'll be hosting an event coming up and wanted to see if you guys have any suggestions for some nice smooth chords people can talk over. I'll probably have keys, bass, sax, and drums. Any cool rhythms please let me know.
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: DaNatiMaestro on January 24, 2008, 02:59:54 PM
How about this groove from Dwele?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UULkmrx8MpM

The groove and chords are super easy.  Straight Neo-Soul.

If you need these chords let me know.
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: Jbroad572 on January 24, 2008, 05:34:09 PM
How about this groove from Dwele?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UULkmrx8MpM[/url]

The groove and chords are super easy.  Straight Neo-Soul.

If you need these chords let me know.

Yea, I liked that... YGPM
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: DaNatiMaestro on January 25, 2008, 01:32:28 PM
Here are the chords...


LH / RH

B, Gb, Db / DbEbGbAbBb (B Maj 7 6/9)
Eb, Bb, F / CDFGBb (Eb Maj 7 6/9)

During the verse and chorus it just does these two chords back and forth

THE BRIDGE IS

Ab / BbBDbEbGb (Ab Min 11)
Bb / CDbEbFAb (Bb Min 11)
Eb / CDFGBb (Eb Maj 7 6/9)

Repeat this twice then go back to those first two chords..

That's it..

Notice the think 5 note neo-soul chords and then the cluster (close) voicings for the minor chords in the bridge
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: CJKeyboardPlaya on January 25, 2008, 01:40:33 PM
I think this is very nice too...


Cynthia Jones - Gotta Soul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8-nQFrtD88

Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: under13 on January 25, 2008, 02:05:16 PM
After the Rain by Davina has some nice chords www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCASTCWmguE

If you want the mp3 pm me

Also check out the urban worship extreme dvd.  There is  some good stuff on there
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: lauenceholley on January 25, 2008, 07:45:03 PM
Denati. Thanks so much  for breaking those chords down, that is real smooth, What key center is that in Eb ?
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: DaNatiMaestro on January 25, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
I think this is very nice too...


Cynthia Jones - Gotta Soul
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8-nQFrtD88[/url]




Here go the chords for this one..

Again another simple groove just three chords really...

F, F, C, G, F/GAbBbCEb (F min 11)
C, C, G, Eb, C/GBbDEbF (C min 11)

Then every other time they play this to get back to the F minor after the C min 11

C / GBbDbE (C 7 b9)
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: rayjohnson83 on January 25, 2008, 08:43:45 PM
thanks for sharing these chords DaNati. Do you have any more smooth neo soul chords. ;D
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: DaNatiMaestro on January 25, 2008, 08:52:29 PM
Here another groove.. this would prolly be considered more smooth jazz than neo-soul but it's still smooth.

It's just a short example.  I got this groove from a clip on YouTube this guy was jamming with these changes.
http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/albums/userpics/106308/NeoSoulGroove.mp3 (http://www.learngospelmusic.com/media/albums/userpics/106308/NeoSoulGroove.mp3)

Here are the chords

G, D, G / FABbD (G min 9)
C, G, C / GABDF# (G maj 9 / C)
Eb, Bb, Eb / GBbCDF (Eb maj 7 6/9)
Ab, Eb, Ab / GbBbCF (Ab 13)

For the soloing I used the G minor pentatonic scale (which is a Bb major pentatonic scale started on the 6th) with an added 9th and #4 (blues note).
G minor pentatonic scale:  G, Bb, C, D, F added notes are A, C#

While soloing I think of the scale as a pool of notes to pull from and use for my solo.  And then I just try different rhythms and note combinations.
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: rayjohnson83 on January 25, 2008, 09:10:18 PM
that groove was hott. Question? How do you know what scale to run over chords?
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: DaNatiMaestro on January 25, 2008, 09:38:31 PM
Denati. Thanks so much  for breaking those chords down, that is real smooth, What key center is that in Eb ?


This is a good question.. I had look up some theory on "key center" and here's what I got..

http://www.outsideshore.com/school/music/almanac/html/Music_Theory/Basic_Theory/Key_Center.htm (http://www.outsideshore.com/school/music/almanac/html/Music_Theory/Basic_Theory/Key_Center.htm)

With this definition in mind, I'd say it's Bb or Eb because that is the common note or tone between all of the chords in the changes.

Did you mean something else by key center?

Can anybody shed some light on this?
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: DaNatiMaestro on January 25, 2008, 09:51:03 PM
After the Rain by Davina has some nice chords www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCASTCWmguE

If you want the mp3 pm me

Also check out the urban worship extreme dvd.  There is  some good stuff on there

Intro / Chorus
A/BCDEG
F/GACDE
D/EFGAC
B/ABDE
E/AbCDF

Verse
A/GBCE
B/ADbDGb
A/GBCE
B/ADbDGb
C/BbDFG
F/GACE
E/FAbCD

Ending chords
A/BCDEG
C/DEbFGBb
F/GACEb
(repeat 2x) then go to
B/ABDE
E/AbCDF

then go back to those intro/chorus chords
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: CJKeyboardPlaya on January 25, 2008, 11:17:39 PM
Here go the chords for this one..

Again another simple groove just three chords really...

F, F, C, G, F/GAbBbCEb (F min 11)
C, C, G, Eb, C/GBbDEbF (C min 11)

Then every other time they play this to get back to the F minor after the C min 11

C / GBbDbE (C 7 b9)
thanks... i was gettin to that..
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: georgiagurl on January 26, 2008, 03:44:22 AM
Thank u for da chords. Be blessed
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: lauenceholley on January 26, 2008, 05:54:49 AM
Denati, that is exactly what I meant by key center. Thanks for the additional smotth chords, this is a great thread, I really want to be able to do these smooth chords and this helps.
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: chevonee on January 26, 2008, 05:48:24 PM
Denati, that is exactly what I meant by key center. Thanks for the additional smotth chords, this is a great thread, I really want to be able to do these smooth chords and this helps.
Co-sign to the 10th Power!!!

I am really loving these chords DaNati or shall I say JR.....lol ;) Like Dd said, we've got to get together again because you guys gave me a wealth of information. Thanks again for the chords.
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: georgiagurl on January 27, 2008, 02:08:18 AM
Co-sign to the 10th Power!!!

I am really loving these chords DaNati or shall I say JR.....lol ;) Like Dd said, we've got to get together again because you guys gave me a wealth of information. Thanks again for the chords.
Thanks for givin me that info they shared, it helped a lot.
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: rayjohnson83 on January 28, 2008, 08:02:56 AM
Co-sign to the 10th Power!!!

I am really loving these chords DaNati or shall I say JR.....lol ;) Like Dd said, we've got to get together again because you guys gave me a wealth of information. Thanks again for the chords.

what new info did yall share? shed some light on a bro, dong leave me in the dark. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: DaNatiMaestro on January 28, 2008, 09:14:11 AM
that groove was hott. Question? How do you know what scale to run over chords?


Excellent question:  The chords in the progression pull from the 1 (G minor) and eventually returns there.  Now there is a technique in modal jazz/smooth jazz and I forget the name right now where you basically select a central tone or scale and use that tone or scale throughout the whole progression.  In this instance it would be the G minor chord because the song starts on the G minor and eventually resolves to the G minor.  Plus there are tones in the G minor scales that you'd use that are common to all of the chords in the progression.

Now from sing chord scale analysis you have a few choices for what scale you'd want to use for the G minor.

You have G Dorian which is F major scale that starts and ends on the G
You have G Aeolian which is Bb major scale that starts and ends on the G
You have G minor pentatonic scale which is a Bb pentatonic scale that starts and ends on the G
You have the G Blues scale which is the G minor pentatonic scale with an added #4 (C#)
there are more choices but these are a good start...

I chose to go with the G minor pentatonic scale because it's more melodic and doesn't sound so much like you're running scales up and down the keyboard and there are also fewer notes to choose from and use.

Now a good technique or tip for soloing would be to use the notes from the scale as a pool of notes to use.  Try to start and end on different notes within the scale and try to be as melodic as possible like singing but using the piano to sing for you.  I'm still learning this but some guys that I like to listen to for this is Jeff Lorber, Alex Bugnon, George Duke, Herbie Hancock.  Especially Jeff Lorber is the master of taking that pentatonic scale and exploring all of the melodic possibilities..

If you'd like some more info and example on uses of the pentatonic scale which is really THE go to scale that all of the pros use, check these YouTube Videos out:

Funk Lesson - using the pentatonic scale to solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D16Egf419YY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D16Egf419YY)

Pentatonic Scale in 5 minutes - this guy shows you the pentatonic scale and how to use it also what chords to play the pentatonic scale over http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYky3cNC_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYky3cNC_Y)

If anyone needs more help in this area let me know!!
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: georgiagurl on January 30, 2008, 02:42:52 AM
Excellent question:  The chords in the progression pull from the 1 (G minor) and eventually returns there.  Now there is a technique in modal jazz/smooth jazz and I forget the name right now where you basically select a central tone or scale and use that tone or scale throughout the whole progression.  In this instance it would be the G minor chord because the song starts on the G minor and eventually resolves to the G minor.  Plus there are tones in the G minor scales that you'd use that are common to all of the chords in the progression.

Now from sing chord scale analysis you have a few choices for what scale you'd want to use for the G minor.

You have G Dorian which is F major scale that starts and ends on the G
You have G Aeolian which is Bb major scale that starts and ends on the G
You have G minor pentatonic scale which is a Bb pentatonic scale that starts and ends on the G
You have the G Blues scale which is the G minor pentatonic scale with an added #4 (C#)
there are more choices but these are a good start...

I chose to go with the G minor pentatonic scale because it's more melodic and doesn't sound so much like you're running scales up and down the keyboard and there are also fewer notes to choose from and use.

Now a good technique or tip for soloing would be to use the notes from the scale as a pool of notes to use.  Try to start and end on different notes within the scale and try to be as melodic as possible like singing but using the piano to sing for you.  I'm still learning this but some guys that I like to listen to for this is Jeff Lorber, Alex Bugnon, George Duke, Herbie Hancock.  Especially Jeff Lorber is the master of taking that pentatonic scale and exploring all of the melodic possibilities..

If you'd like some more info and example on uses of the pentatonic scale which is really THE go to scale that all of the pros use, check these YouTube Videos out:

Funk Lesson - using the pentatonic scale to solo [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D16Egf419YY[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D16Egf419YY[/url])

Pentatonic Scale in 5 minutes - this guy shows you the pentatonic scale and how to use it also what chords to play the pentatonic scale over [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYky3cNC_Y[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYky3cNC_Y[/url])

If anyone needs more help in this area let me know!!

This iz very helpful. Be blessed
Title: Re: Smooth chords/jams for spoken word/ poetry events
Post by: musallio on January 31, 2008, 11:30:32 AM
Awesome Stuff.. :o

I like this guys 8)